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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V28, Keep on Keeping on!

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post Jul 12 2017, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(oldiswaraowner @ Jul 12 2017, 02:57 AM)
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If things were as simple and straightforward as you think, you wouldn't have created your other thread, no?
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post Jul 12 2017, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(oldiswaraowner @ Jul 12 2017, 02:57 AM)
I prefer to remain silent and low profile most of the time. Maybe it's because a lack of perfect knowledge. However.... idk why but... you sound like you just got ripped off, big time, to the tune of rm550. Go get a refund. It's simple, you see, if the mechanic says the carburetor got problem and replacing it will fix it - and after replacing it, it doesnt fix the problem, means he did a wrong diagnosis, replaced a part that was not actually necessary (based on the fact that it didn't solve anything), and has no business charging you for a solution that did NOT work.

Here's a simple way to determine if you should pay for anything: Did it solve the problem? Yes: Pay the guy. No: No payment necessary. Seems like this mechanic is not good at diagnostics. Many cheap ones arent. I'm not too surprised. You can get back your money if the mechanic made a wrong diagnosis - means you purchased a replacement part UNDER ADVISEMENT FROM THAT MECHANIC based on HIS WRONG DIAGNOSIS. You figure out how to get your RM550 back either directly or via small claims court. NEVER EVER ALLOW ANYONE TO RIP YOU OFF LIKE THAT. and the only way to prevent yourself from getting ripped off like that is by having KNOWLEDGE. A person without knowledge is ALWAYS going to get ripped off, regardless of the situation. What are you going if the replacement carburetor from Japan fails as well? Pay through your nose? Or accept a RM4k-5k engine overhaul suggestion from the same mechanic? Or sell your car since its "having problems"?

Go learn basic engine tuning and diagnosis dude. It's not too difficult. Watch youtube videos on how to tune/repair engine issues. Some suggested highly informative mechanic's channels: scottykilmer, chrisfix, oldskool funk, Ratchets And Wrenches, ericthecarguy and a number of others. You can put in symptoms of your problem in the YouTube search bar and there might just be videos on how to diagnose your specific problem step-by-step covering ALL the potential causes. YOU do the diagnostics, tell the mechanic what you want done. With you having the KNOWLEDGE necessary, nobody can rip you off like that anymore.

TLDR: Get your money back from this "spare part pushing mechanic" and go to a proper high end mechanic that knows how to properly diagnose your issue. If you can spend RM550 for parts, pretty sure you can afford a good, high end mechanic - even if ONLY for diagnostics. Once the diagnostic is made, and say any part REALLY needs to be replaced, then under advisement from the high end mechanic, go replace that part. NOW you can ask your cheap mechanic to do the simple part replacement - since he's "good" at it. Never allow a cheap mechanic to do diagnostics dude, it will always cost you more in the long run.

Cheers.

Edit: Added more specific suggestions based on your info given:
Search in youtube:

Engine Stutter:
1. Ignition timing / engine timing tuning / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgv0wHE895w / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYel4rjHGTQ
2. Carburetor tuning / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZedF7QsnYag
3. Carburetor Cleaning, Replace Engine Air Flow Filter.

Engine Die:
1. Cleaning or replacing PCV valve / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V0q47L2LYI
2. Check valve gaps/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0H7CP2QLxA

Beyond this, need more info for a better diagnostic, but im really not interested in continuing this because im not a trained mechanic. Cheers.

Edit 2:
Forgot another basic check:
1. Spark plugs need replacement?
2. Check spark plug wiring condition.

Btw for a Iswara, all of the 7 or so suggestion probably cost less than RM100 to pull off. But then again, emphasis added on the fact that there is not enough information yet to make any kind of diagnosis or suggestion. A tip: If you want help with diagnostics from forums, the best way is to usually record a video of the engine sound or engine starting up (since you have engine shutdown problem) in proper, full HD and upload to youtube. only then anyone can have the bare minimum proper info to even start helping you in making a diagnosis or suggestion. The best and fastest way is always a high end mechanic if you need your car fixed really fast (esp if its a daily driver used for work etc). Cheers.
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thanks for your feedback, bro. Appreciate the write-up. Will definitely look into the videos if my carb starts giving me more problems in the future and I am sure someone else will use these resources too to troubleshoot their own car troubles.

my mechanic actually diagnosed the problem correctly, its just that he proposed the wrong solution. But in the end, he made up for it by exchanging the China carb with a half-cut Japan carb at no extra charge. My car works fine now.
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post Jul 12 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Jul 8 2017, 03:38 PM)
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The stalk switch goes to 85 or 86, the control terminals of
the relay, which are low current. One goes to battery positive,
the other earth.

They switch on 30 to 87, the high current terminals connecting
the battery to the headlights directly.

How can they be going back to your stalk or socket below ?
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Of the 2 relays near the washer water tank, one is for
the little lamps as you mentioned; the other one is for
the headlamps.

Then, with the headlight ON, and the stalk switch is
activated to high beam, there is no relay to make this
switchover.

How does the circuits make the switchover from lo to hi
and vice versa? I suspect it is made at the stalk switch,
thus requiring the return circuit carrying the full load.
This explains why the socket terminals are burnt
(can't be due to small pilot/control current to the relays).

Attached is the Haynes circuit for the UK version which
shows what I meant. (Pls note the circuit also differs from
our version - no fuses 14&15, ignition switch is not
involved - wish I could get hold of the circuit diagrams for ours).


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post Jul 12 2017, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Jul 9 2017, 01:35 PM)
I think most of the old cars will have part of the seatbelt turning into 'hairy' areas.
For me the part made the buckle stuck on a particular position on the belt. No problem with buckling/unbuckling, only that when in a rush to unbuckle, the spring is quite quick to spring back causing the metal buckle  to hit the window.

I wonder any risk that one day it might cracked the window. And any idea what to do with he belt to minimize the hitting risk?
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I had this fear too, the metal buckle swinging back to the glass.

I bought these comfort clips from supermarkets for the purpose
of preventing the seat belt from strangling me. It also helps prevent
the violent return of the buckle.


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post Jul 13 2017, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jul 12 2017, 03:13 AM)
Of the 2 relays near the  washer water tank, one is for
the little lamps as you mentioned; the other one is for
the headlamps.

Then, with  the headlight ON, and the stalk switch is
activated to high beam, there is no relay to make this
switchover.

How does the circuits make the switchover from lo to hi
and vice versa? I suspect it is made at the stalk switch,
thus requiring the return circuit carrying the full load.
This explains why the socket terminals are burnt
(can't be due to small pilot/control current to the relays).

Attached is the Haynes circuit for the UK version which
shows what I meant. (Pls note the circuit also differs from
our version - no fuses 14&15, ignition switch is not
involved  -  wish I could get hold of the circuit diagrams for ours).
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Looks like you are right.

Electrical design flaw.

You mean they normally have two relays for the low/high beams
in all cars ?


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post Jul 13 2017, 09:14 AM

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This Proton Iswara is one expensive car to maintain.

Parts cost a bomb, as my friend warned me years ago even
before taking this car over.

I bought a BRAND NEW Aisan carburettor for my old Toyota for just $ 450.

Over a decade ago, but even at that time that Takara Auto man who
sold it to me said that the Proton Saga one cost over a thousand,
more like $ 1,400.



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Albert B
post Jul 14 2017, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Jul 13 2017, 09:08 AM)
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You mean they normally have two relays for the low/high beams
in all cars ?
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I sampled a couple of cars that are contemporaries to the Iswara,
and I found that they do not. There is also only one relay and the
full headlamp current goes through the select switch. Sometimes
the relay is for ON/OFF, others for the LO/HI beam. Probably
this use of one relay saves a bit of costs and simplifies the circuit
a bit because it need to take care of the "pass" or "flash" function
where the driver just 'flashes' the headlight even in the daytime.

However, I am not sure about the present generation of cars;
probably the circuits have incorporated ECU controls etc...

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Anyone use this EO? I just bought it at RM109. I hope it will give smoother engine compared to Castrol Magnatec 10W-40.

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Albert, any brake pads brands suggestion? i use before proton original from factory and bosch one ( currently using ).

i want those brake pads will no produce too much noise when come to nearly stop. i hate the noise and the jerking feeling when it nearly hit stop. Other than bosch and proton ori, any other suggestion brands suit my terms ?
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QUOTE(Kbbteoh @ Jul 16 2017, 11:17 PM)
Albert, any brake pads brands suggestion? i use before proton original from factory and bosch one ( currently using ).

i want those brake pads will no produce too much noise when come to nearly stop. i hate the noise and the jerking feeling when it nearly hit stop. Other than bosch and proton ori, any other suggestion brands suit my terms ?
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I have not changed my brake pads which are still the factory fitted ones, so I am unable to comment on this. Perhaps the sifus here who have tried aftermarket and performance pads could help out?

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jul 17 2017, 09:02 AM)
I have not changed my brake pads which are still the factory fitted ones, so I am unable to comment on this. Perhaps the sifus here who have tried aftermarket and performance pads could help out?
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what about Tham ? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jul 17 2017, 09:02 AM)
I have not changed my brake pads which are still the factory fitted ones, so I am unable to comment on this. Perhaps the sifus here who have tried aftermarket and performance pads could help out?
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I changed at some dodgy shop once...
End up the tyre rims are showered with brake pad brown dust everyday...
No sound or anything.. But I just felt unsatisfied about the dust issue.. so in the end purchased another set of ori pads from Proton... no dust since.
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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Jul 12 2017, 10:47 AM)

... at no extra charge. My car works fine now.

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Awesome !!! Good to know it all ended well. :-)
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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Jul 17 2017, 01:35 PM)
I changed at some dodgy shop once...
End up the tyre rims are showered with brake pad brown dust everyday...
No sound or anything.. But I just felt unsatisfied about the dust issue.. so in the end purchased another set of ori pads from Proton... no dust since.
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proton ori brake pads estimate will cost how much ?
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Albert, do iswara engine have timing indicator ?

like what i found in youtube that one of the engine pulley must have indicator for the lighting gun to flash when piston number 1 is fire.
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QUOTE(Kbbteoh @ Jul 18 2017, 01:27 AM)
Albert, do iswara engine have timing indicator ?

like what i found in youtube that one of the engine pulley must have indicator for the lighting gun to flash when piston number 1 is fire.
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Yes there is, see attached.

If your car has power steering, it maybe a bit difficult to see,
because the piping/reservoir are blocking the view.


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QUOTE(Kbbteoh @ Jul 16 2017, 11:17 PM)
Albert, any brake pads brands suggestion? i use before proton original from factory and bosch one ( currently using ).

i want those brake pads will no produce too much noise when come to nearly stop. i hate the noise and the jerking feeling when it nearly hit stop. Other than bosch and proton ori, any other suggestion brands suit my terms ?
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I changed that many years ago.. probably less than 50. not sure about now.
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QUOTE(Kbbteoh @ Jul 16 2017, 11:17 PM)
Albert, any brake pads brands suggestion? i use before proton original from factory and bosch one ( currently using ).

i want those brake pads will no produce too much noise when come to nearly stop. i hate the noise and the jerking feeling when it nearly hit stop. Other than bosch and proton ori, any other suggestion brands suit my terms ?
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I used metal king - very dusty.

Currently use back bosch. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(feralee @ Jul 19 2017, 03:19 PM)
I used metal king - very dusty.

Currently use back bosch.  biggrin.gif
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mine currently using bosch, also very dusty.

what about urs ?
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jul 18 2017, 09:41 AM)
Yes there is, see attached.

If your car has power steering, it maybe a bit difficult to see,
because the piping/reservoir are blocking the view.
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So is that i just match up with the crankshaft pully notch ( which show number 1 pointer in the right side black and white picture ) than consider the timing is in correct fire position ?

if rpm rev up, the timing will slightly advance or retard ?

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