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post Nov 1 2014, 08:49 PM, updated 6y ago

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What are ETFs?


DEFINITION OF 'EXCHANGE-TRADED FUND - ETF' Source
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Benefits of ETFs Source

The Benefits of Trading Like a Stock
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Low Expense Ratios
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Diversification
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How to buy ETFs?

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thanks for sharing!
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thanks for sharing, a good summary on ETFs.

I am keen to start investing but had problem opening account.
Anyone in malaysia recently managed to open new account using home email/address?


"First you need a broker, I personally use TD Ameritrade as well as Interactive Brokers. Both allow account openings of non US residents with a Malaysian address . There's others too of course which I won't mention now as I've only used these two."

i received email telling me otherwise.

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TD Ameritrade is currently unable to open new accounts for clients with mailing and/or physical addresses in Malaysia and Singapore. We appreciate your interest in opening an account and wish you the best in your investment needs.

Sincerely,

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Im using cimb as they are able to trade on nysearca. The problem is im not sure what to do on the taxation side.

Im assuming that dividend gain is 30% while capital gain is not taxable right ? What pitfall in taxation should i look into ? Is the tax avoidable ?
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Will foreign exchange expenses greatly affect viability?

Are there any Malaysian equivalents?

What about dealing through Vanguard SG?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 2 2014, 11:46 AM)
60% on healthcare etf now
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XLV?

Why so healthy on Healthcare, due to Ebola scare?

QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 2 2014, 11:53 AM)
thanks for sharing, a good summary on ETFs.

I am keen to start investing but had problem opening account.
Anyone in malaysia recently managed to open new account using home email/address?
"First you need a broker, I personally use TD Ameritrade as well as Interactive Brokers. Both allow account openings of non US residents with a Malaysian address . There's others too of course which I won't mention now as I've only used these two."

i received email telling me otherwise.

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TD Ameritrade is currently unable to open new accounts for clients with mailing and/or physical addresses in Malaysia and Singapore.  We appreciate your interest in opening an account and wish you the best in your investment needs.

Sincerely,

Rachael Peacock
Client Services, TD Ameritrade
TD Ameritrade, Inc.
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Hmm this must be something fairly recent? When I applied, just proceeded online then sent them the documents - never contacted them beforehand.

QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Nov 2 2014, 12:59 PM)
Im using cimb as they are able to trade on nysearca. The problem is im not sure what to do on the taxation side.

Im assuming that dividend gain is 30% while capital gain is not taxable right ? What pitfall in taxation should i look into ? Is the tax avoidable ?
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As long as you supplied W8-BEN you won't get taxed on capital gains, but the withholding tax of 30% on dividends will still apply. On ETFs the only way around this is to buy ETFs from other countries (Ie SG, HK, UK (not UK domiciled though - they charge stamp duty!))


QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 2 2014, 01:54 PM)
Will foreign exchange expenses greatly affect viability?

Are there any Malaysian equivalents?

What about dealing through Vanguard SG?
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Well if you're transferring from RM to USD of course you have some cost on exchange rate and transfer costs - this comes down to the amount you're depositing. But in the long run, your savings on sales charges and annual fees should outweigh the initial exchange rate / transfer charge loss.

Vanguard SG doesn't seem to list any SG based ETFs at all? I just only checked their website so I may be wrong, haven't looked into this in the past.
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rjb123, thanks for the good work. i suggest you include the topic on how to fund/withdraw from the trading account as i believe most of us are not aware of...
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Nov 2 2014, 07:46 PM)
rjb123, thanks for the good work. i suggest you include the topic on how to fund/withdraw from the trading account as i believe most of us are not aware of...
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 2 2014, 05:19 PM)

As long as you supplied W8-BEN you won't get taxed on capital gains, but the withholding tax of 30% on dividends will still apply. On ETFs the only way around this is to buy ETFs from other countries (Ie SG, HK, UK (not UK domiciled though - they charge stamp duty!))

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If im not wrong, i trade under CIMB they serve as intermediary as well as act as broker for us to trade in US exchange. In this case should i still need the W8-BEN ?

So far my withdrawal of ETF with them, they did not required me to provide any tax filling, however im not sure on the charges incur during the withdrawal process, might need to re-look into that.
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Pls share ur latest etf holding portfolio
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Nov 2 2014, 08:44 PM)
If im not wrong, i trade under CIMB they serve as intermediary as well as act as broker for us to trade in US exchange. In this case should i still need the W8-BEN ?

So far my withdrawal of ETF with them, they did not required me to provide any tax filling, however im not sure on the charges incur during the withdrawal process, might need to re-look into that.
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How is the trade commission fee trade via CIMB?
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Nov 2 2014, 08:44 PM)
If im not wrong, i trade under CIMB they serve as intermediary as well as act as broker for us to trade in US exchange. In this case should i still need the W8-BEN ?

So far my withdrawal of ETF with them, they did not required me to provide any tax filling, however im not sure on the charges incur during the withdrawal process, might need to re-look into that.
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CIMB website mentions having to complete a W8-BEN at sign up, maybe they provided this at the time?

I know when I opened OCBC securities in SG the W8-BEN was part of the application form
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 2 2014, 10:12 PM)
Pls share ur latest etf holding portfolio
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My long term portfolio isn't very exciting :

25% Bonds (BND/WIP)
35% US
20% Europe Developed (VGK)
10% Emerging Markets (VWO)
5% each Gold / REITS

Have some other temporary positions outside of that, but not long term or part of above allocation : EWZ, RSX, SPY, VGK, XLV

UK listed : UKDV, IUKD for some dividend income and as I have spare GBP earning 0% interest (no withholding tax smile.gif)
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Let's say I put 10k into Vanguard 500 Index Fund and another 10k into SPDR 500 ETF.

Will they both get the same returns minus the different fund admin cost?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 2 2014, 10:14 PM)
How is the trade commission fee trade via CIMB?
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Its 0.42% per trade or min of 25usd
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Nov 3 2014, 09:40 AM)
Its 0.42% per trade or min of 25usd
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QUOTE(chicargo @ Nov 3 2014, 01:21 AM)
Let's say I put 10k into Vanguard 500 Index Fund and another 10k into SPDR 500 ETF.

Will they both get the same returns minus the different fund admin cost?
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Pretty much, yes. Although small differences in the way dividends are handled between them so it won't be 100% the same.

http://financialindependence.org/sp-500-et...-vs-vii-vs-voo/
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apart from those companies all sifus mentioned above, are there any other ways we can invest in ETF?
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Why u all buy SPY, VOO, IVV ?
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QUOTE(chicargo @ Nov 3 2014, 01:21 AM)
Let's say I put 10k into Vanguard 500 Index Fund and another 10k into SPDR 500 ETF.

Will they both get the same returns minus the different fund admin cost?
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-your-...ters-2013-03-19

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 3 2014, 09:20 PM)
Still in the long term a small difference , over 10 years

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The end result of these small return differences is a 0.5% higher return for IVV vs. SPY portfolio over the 10 years listed here with a 97.2% vs. a 96.7% gain respectively, compared with 98.5% for the S&P 500 index. Though VOO is relatively new, its results so far are a positive indicator of its future.

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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 3 2014, 08:41 PM)
Why u all buy SPY, VOO, IVV ?
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Some for diversification, some because hujan emas di negeri orang smile.gif

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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 3 2014, 08:01 PM)
wow too expensive.
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Diverse, low fees

Actually $25 per trade if you buy in big chunks here and there it isn't really that much in the long term
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Would you say ETFs are for trader investors, not long term?

For long term why not just get no-load funds from Vanguard SG like VFINX VTSMX?

PS: Again, are there no ETFs composed of Malaysian stocks, only front load UTs ?

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 3 2014, 09:47 PM)
Diverse, low fees

Actually $25 per trade if you buy in big chunks here and there it isn't really that much in the long term
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USD25/trade min?

Let take malaysia mutual fund commission for example 2%

u need to trade at least USD1250/trade.....
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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 3 2014, 10:47 PM)
Would you say ETFs are for trader investors, not long term?

For long term why not just get no-load funds from Vanguard SG like VFINX VTSMX?

PS: Again, are there no ETFs composed of Malaysian stocks, only front load UTs ?
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ETFs can be used for long term, short term, intra day trading , short selling, options

Can you buy them directly in SG from Vanguard? Doesn't give any information on their SG website at all.

There's a Malaysia ETF, IWM by iShares : http://www.ishares.com/us/products/239669/...ci-malaysia-etf

QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 3 2014, 10:53 PM)
USD25/trade min?

Let take malaysia mutual fund commission for example 2%

u need to trade at least USD1250/trade.....
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I did say big chunks .. if you bought $5k, that $25 is only 0.5%
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Isn't iShares EWM still a US$ product? I'm hoping for a Rm$ one sold on local bourse. ETF concept too advanced for here?

What is Vanguard doing in SG if not selling anything?!?!

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 3 2014, 11:01 PM)
ETFs can be used for long term, short term, intra day trading , short selling, options

Can you buy them directly in SG from Vanguard? Doesn't give any information on their SG website at all.

There's a Malaysia ETF, IWM by iShares : http://www.ishares.com/us/products/239669/...ci-malaysia-etf
I did say big chunks .. if you bought $5k, that $25 is only 0.5%
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1 shoot 5k?
why not 50k? so commission only 0.05%?

Better diversify it..

1k in 1 time.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 3 2014, 11:01 PM)
ETFs can be used for long term, short term, intra day trading , short selling, options

Can you buy them directly in SG from Vanguard? Doesn't give any information on their SG website at all.

There's a Malaysia ETF, IWM by iShares : http://www.ishares.com/us/products/239669/...ci-malaysia-etf
I did say big chunks .. if you bought $5k, that $25 is only 0.5%
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This one really hujan emas lol, why would you not buy the ETF directly from bursa, it's only 0.005% (Malacca Securities I think smile.gif )

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 3 2014, 11:17 PM)
Isn't iShares EWM still a US$ product? I'm hoping for a Rm$ one sold on local bourse. ETF concept too advanced for here?

What is Vanguard doing in SG if not selling anything?!?!
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Ah, I've never looked at any ETFs listed on Bursa

I don't think Vanguard funds are available directly in SG - FSM there for example sells "INFINITY US 500 STOCK INDEX" as a feeder fund

QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 3 2014, 11:19 PM)
1 shoot 5k?
why not 50k? so commission only 0.05%?

Better diversify it..

1k in 1 time.
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Sure, I was just saying $25 isn't too bad IF you only buy large chunks here and there. If you're topping up +/- $1k each time then yeah, paying $25 each time is a bit too much.

QUOTE(wodenus @ Nov 3 2014, 11:31 PM)
This one really hujan emas lol, why would you not buy the ETF directly from bursa, it's only 0.005%  (Malacca Securities I think smile.gif )
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This one?

FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI ETF 0820EA
http://www.ambankgroup.com/sites/fbmklciet...es/default.aspx

Anyway here's a list of ETFs listed on Bursa :

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/securi...aded-funds-etfs

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 4 2014, 12:17 AM)
Ah, I've never looked at any ETFs listed on Bursa

I don't think Vanguard funds are available directly in SG - FSM there for example sells "INFINITY US 500 STOCK INDEX" as a feeder fund
Sure, I was just saying $25 isn't too bad IF you only buy large chunks here and there. If you're topping up +/- $1k each time then yeah, paying $25 each time is a bit too much.
This one?

FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI ETF 0820EA
http://www.ambankgroup.com/sites/fbmklciet...es/default.aspx

Anyway here's a list of ETFs listed on Bursa :

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/securi...aded-funds-etfs
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Yes that one.. why would you pay anyone $25 to buy what you can buy for like 0.005% here smile.gif

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One thing i like about etfs is that it allow you to bet on certain macro trend without too high of an exposure to certain stock and also of its low fees of course.

One thing to be careful about etfs is that always choose those that has high activity / volume else they might just close the fund halfway through
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any gold/silver or commodities etf in malatsia
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So buying UTs and ETFs with similar holdings from discount brokers not much difference except for NAV pricing and flexible trading hours?
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Nov 4 2014, 03:01 AM)
One thing i like about etfs is that it allow you to bet on certain macro trend without too high of an exposure to certain stock and also of its low fees of course.

One thing to be careful about etfs is that always choose those that has high activity / volume else they might just close the fund halfway through
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Yep, although with most US ETFs they're quite active / liquid unless you're looking at really specific stuff

Certainly sector / country ETFs there's no worries about liquidity - even the 2/3x Bull/Bear leveraged ones have quite decent volume.

QUOTE(ronho @ Nov 4 2014, 08:06 AM)
any gold/silver or commodities etf in malatsia
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Bursa only has limited ETFs listed, no commodity ones.

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/securi...aded-funds-etfs

You can buy some UTs through FSM - AmPrecious Metals / RHB-OSK Gold And General Fund

QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 4 2014, 05:40 PM)
So buying UTs and ETFs with similar holdings from discount brokers not much difference except for NAV pricing and flexible trading hours?
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Well if you have a UT with the same fees as an ETF , tracking the same index your return would be pretty much the same.
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mind telling how to buy via FSM bro ? ....on line or from the bank ?
AmPrecious Metals --from ambank
RHB-OSK Gold And General Fund --from rhb ?
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QUOTE(ronho @ Nov 4 2014, 11:43 PM)
mind telling how to buy via FSM bro ? ....on line or from the bank ?
AmPrecious Metals --from ambank
RHB-OSK Gold And General Fund --from rhb ?
tx...noob here
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There's a thread dedicated to FSM : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3334901


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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 4 2014, 11:46 PM)
market down down..
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Yeah, everything red today - not enough to tempt to top up though.
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Most ETF in KLSE and SGX suffer liquidity issue, not suitable for trading.
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Nov 5 2014, 02:41 PM)
Most ETF in KLSE and SGX suffer liquidity issue, not suitable for trading.
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Yeah, volume is very low compared to US listed

What's the bid / ask spread like on the ETFs listed on Bursa? I don't have access to Malaysia broker acc.
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Just wondering how do you all build your portfolio of ETFs?

I'm not sure how many countries to spread my risk (ie. SP500, FTSE and Asia?)

Also do you guys also hold bonds in case equity goes down down down?
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the cash dividend payment will go into the trading account?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 15 2014, 10:36 PM)
the cash dividend payment will go into the trading account?
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Yep.

Just download your broker statements and have a look through

In TDAM I'm enrolled in DRIP (Dividend Reinvestment Plan) so all dividends automatically get reinvested.

IB doesn't offer DRIP and just gets added to the cash balance in the respective currency.


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the dividend credit into brokerage account is after 30% deduction for tax?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 16 2014, 11:45 AM)
the dividend credit into brokerage account is after 30% deduction for tax?
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Check your broker activity statements - you can see details of dividend payments and withholding taxes there.

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QUOTE(Selectt @ Nov 28 2014, 08:19 PM)
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Parking in all ETF related threads? biggrin.gif
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Parking in all ETF related threads?  biggrin.gif
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u buying HACK?
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This?

http://www.pureetfs.com/etfs/hack.html

Nope
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Is this the right time on the slope to buy into mining and energy funds? Likely to drop much much lower?
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for short play ok but not for long term
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for short play ok but not for long term
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What length is your long term? I'd like to buy low and keep at least a year, can wait more until rises again.
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Nov 5 2014, 02:41 PM)
Most ETF in KLSE and SGX suffer liquidity issue, not suitable for trading.
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Just a quick question, are you saying it is not suitable for day to day trading?

Is it good for the average investor investing for long term?
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hi guys, i just noticed this thread. good that ts started this as i was looking for something to begin with, found nothing then. found this only:
usa stocks thread:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3397675/+380


i recently put some money in us etf's via cimb's itrade which is already mentioned - fees, etc...

in my search for info, i found a few things before i jumped in:

.. us etf's listed on bursa n sgx seem unpopular.
.. buying direct into us via local platforms like itrade may cost a bit more but is viable - real time data is available n reliable.
.. if one is paying 0.42 or 0.35% at bursa, 0.4% for us equities is bearable, provided each transaction is >usd6250, i.e. >usd25 min brokerage.
.. local platforms also offer t+3 for us and sgx like bursa, so u can manage the trades among the bourses.
.. exchange rates - i find itrade's rates reasonable, the spread is about 0.37% e.g. last trading session 3.5035/3.4905.
.. us etf's appear tradeable - the popular ones are always among the highest, spy being the top one almost everyday.

.. yahoo finance offers good info n data, real time. just use email acc, create own portfolio.
http://finance.yahoo.com/
.. etf links:
http://www.barchart.com/etf/vleaders.php
http://money.usnews.com/funds/etfs

i got into spy (s&p500), xle (energy), oih (oilfield services) and qqq (nasdaq/tech).

being new in this, i do not really know what surprises may come except the volatility i noticed. i just thought at this time with rm looking to get weaker and local economy being stressed and tested seriously; us economy looking strong, usd getting stronger; oil prices "near bottom" - ingredients are there to put some money. i may get a rude shock, of course.

to others who have been in it longer, i like to ask:

.. to get lower brokerage fees, are there reputable local outfits dealing in rm-usd? or must go overseas to set up usd acc.?
.. dividends - understand there is 30% tax; for etfs, do they always offer reinvestment for every dividend payout?
.. in the event gomen put capital controls like in 1998, what happens to these etfs held in trust by by local ib nominee?

thanks for sharing. i m sure many more are keen on us etf's at this time.
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hi guys, i just noticed this thread. good that ts started this as i was looking for something to begin with, found nothing then. found this only:
usa stocks thread:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3397675/+380
i recently put some money in us etf's via cimb's itrade which is already mentioned - fees, etc...

in my search for info, i found a few things before i jumped in:

.. us etf's listed on bursa n sgx seem unpopular. - Indeed, volume on SGX / Bursa ETFs is very low
.. buying direct into us via local platforms like itrade may cost a bit more but is viable - real time data is available n reliable. Can't comment, never used any of the local platforms
.. if one is paying 0.42 or 0.35% at bursa, 0.4% for us equities is bearable, provided each transaction is >usd6250, i.e. >usd25 min brokerage. TDAM has lots of commission free ETFs, IB charges 0.005 USD per share, 1 USD minimum
.. local platforms also offer t+3 for us and sgx like bursa, so u can manage the trades among the bourses.
.. exchange rates - i find itrade's rates reasonable, the spread is about 0.37% e.g. last trading session 3.5035/3.4905.
.. us etf's appear tradeable - the popular ones are always among the highest, spy being the top one almost everyday.

.. yahoo finance offers good info n data, real time. just use email acc, create own portfolio.
http://finance.yahoo.com/
.. etf links:
http://www.barchart.com/etf/vleaders.php
http://money.usnews.com/funds/etfs

i got into spy (s&p500), xle (energy), oih (oilfield services) and qqq (nasdaq/tech).

being new in this, i do not really know what surprises may come except the volatility i noticed. i just thought at this time with rm looking to get weaker and local economy being stressed and tested seriously; us economy looking strong, usd getting stronger; oil prices "near bottom" - ingredients are there to put some money. i may get a rude shock, of course.

to others who have been in it longer, i like to ask:

.. to get lower brokerage fees, are there reputable local outfits dealing in rm-usd? or must go overseas to set up usd acc.? Not much competition like overseas, so foreign brokerages (ie US) are far cheaper in fees. But you need to bear costs of transferring funds overseas
.. dividends - understand there is 30% tax; for etfs, do they always offer reinvestment for every dividend payout? Depends on broker, TDAM offers DRIPS (dividend reinvestment program) which automatically reinvests all dividends. IB doesn't offer this, dividends just get credited into your brokerage account in the respective currency. FYI, you can reduce the 30% withholding to 15% by for example buying LSE listed ETFs (also USD denominated) which are domiciled in Ireland, I believe the same also applies to Luxembourg domiciled ETFs.
.. in the event gomen put capital controls like in 1998, what happens to these etfs held in trust by by local ib nominee? Can't advise on this, I'm not Malaysian so likely wouldn't affect me either way

thanks for sharing. i m sure many more are keen on us etf's at this time.
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TDAM has lots of commission free ETFs, IB charges 0.005 USD per share, 1 USD minimum

Not much competition like overseas, so foreign brokerages (ie US) are far cheaper in fees. But you need to bear costs of transferring funds overseas
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thanks for response.

tdam or foreign ibs... i suppose one will need to register with them, open trading acc, plus have a usd bank acc ready, right?
do they offer any leverage with cash available or paid up stocks?
where would the nearest popular ib be? in sg, hk?

it is obvious the brokerage is far far less, but how are the exchange rates for tdam and those ib's?
do they use special rates or the common rates used by normal banks? roughly, the spread = 0.1%, 0.5%, 1%?
i suspect the spread may be ok but the bank fund transfer fees may be the killer - can u comment?

as i write, usd= rm3.51... again....

thanks much!

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thanks for response.

tdam or foreign ibs... i suppose one will need to register with them, open trading acc, plus have a usd bank acc ready, right?
do they offer any leverage with cash available or paid up stocks?
where would the nearest popular ib be? in sg, hk?

it is obvious the brokerage is far far less, but how are the exchange rates for tdam and those ib's?
do they use special rates or the common rates used by normal banks? roughly, the spread = 0.1%, 0.5%, 1%?
i suspect the spread may be ok but the bank fund transfer fees may be the killer - can u comment?

as i write, usd= rm3.51... again....

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1. Correct - you open the US account with them and then transfer in. I personally have Maybank USD account already but you could transfer direct from RM account at bank's rates if you wish.
2. IB does offer leverage, TDAM doesn't as far as I know - I don't know to what extent IB gives leverage as I don't use this at all.
3. You open an account with IB which then allows you to deposit in various ways, SGD into Citibank SG account, GBP into UK Citibank account and then convert currency using FXTrader in IB - I have various accounts in different currencies so this way you could avoid fees (although not if funds are coming from RM)
4. IBs rates for FX are very competitive - very close to spot rates, I'll log in shortly and send you a screenshot if you wish, don't have my security card to hand right now. All in all, a transfer will cost you about $45-50 USD if transferring from Maybank USD account to IB or TDAM.

RM isn't openly traded overseas, so there's no option to convert to or from RM within IB.


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Here's example of FX rates you get with IB between currencies, screenshot taken a minute ago.

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1. Correct - you open the US account with them and then transfer in. I personally have Maybank USD account already but you could transfer direct from RM account at bank's rates if you wish.
2. IB does offer leverage, TDAM doesn't as far as I know - I don't know to what extent IB gives leverage as I don't use this at all.
3. You open an account with IB which then allows you to deposit in various ways, SGD into Citibank SG account, GBP into UK Citibank account and then convert currency using FXTrader in IB - I have various accounts in different currencies so this way you could avoid fees (although not if funds are coming from RM)
4. IBs rates for FX are very competitive - very close to spot rates, I'll log in shortly and send you a screenshot if you wish, don't have my security card to hand right now. All in all, a transfer will cost you about $45-50 USD if transferring from Maybank USD account to IB or TDAM.

RM isn't openly traded overseas, so there's no option to convert to or from RM within IB.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 1 2015, 10:30 PM)
hi guys, i just noticed this thread. good that ts started this as i was looking for something to begin with, found nothing then. found this only:
usa stocks thread:

.. if one is paying 0.42 or 0.35% at bursa, 0.4% for us equities is bearable, provided each transaction is >usd6250, i.e. >usd25 min brokerage.
.. local platforms also offer t+3 for us and sgx like bursa, so u can manage the trades among the bourses.
.. exchange rates - i find itrade's rates reasonable, the spread is about 0.37% e.g. last trading session 3.5035/3.4905.
.. us etf's appear tradeable - the popular ones are always among the highest, spy being the top one almost everyday.


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Yep last yr more on etf.

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Can check out the Vanguard Ireland domiciled funds to reduce the Withholding taxes.

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IB is interactive brokers

Can check out the Vanguard Ireland domiciled funds to reduce the Withholding taxes.
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Interactive broker's company is well known and trust worthy? sorry ah, never heard of them.. haha
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Interactive broker's company is well known and trust worthy? sorry ah, never heard of them.. haha
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IB has low fees, but you need to subscribe to the live data feeds at a cost and they charge an inactivity fee if balance is less than 100,000 usd or currency equivalent. Plus there's no automatic dividend reinvestment (DRIPS) like TD Ameritrade
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FYI,  depending on how you plan to invest IB may not be the best option.

IB has low fees, but you need to subscribe to the live data feeds at a cost and they charge an inactivity fee if balance is less than 100,000 usd or currency equivalent. Plus there's no automatic dividend reinvestment (DRIPS)  like TD Ameritrade
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oh? they charge inactivity fee for 100,000 USD from 1 single investor or total fund size?

im looking at Vanguard consumer staples, S&P 500, information technology and REIT.

cant afford to invest too much, maybe yearly 5-10k USD (total) only sweat.gif
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oh? they charge inactivity fee for 100,000 USD from 1 single investor or total fund size?

im looking at Vanguard consumer staples, S&P 500, information technology and REIT.

cant afford to invest too much, maybe yearly 5-10k USD (total) only  sweat.gif
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Have a look at their site, there's a breakdown of fees - the 100,000 waives your 10 usd monthly inactivity fee. This can be in stocks, cash in any currency etc to 100k usd equivalent.

It's also waived if you carry out enough trades a month, ie 10 usd in commission, depends if you're more an active trader or a buy and hold investor
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Have a look at  their site, there's a breakdown of fees -  the 100,000 waives your 10 usd monthly inactivity fee. This can be in stocks, cash in any currency etc to 100k usd equivalent.

It's also waived if you carry out enough trades a month, ie 10 usd in commission, depends if you're more an active trader or a buy and hold investor
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Oh so it's 10usd. I'm looking to invest quarterly or monthly if it's convenient to make payment.

I'm building a long term nest, so I guess I'm going to buy and hold. Looking at 10 yrs horizon:)
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Oh so it's 10usd. I'm looking to invest quarterly or monthly if it's convenient to make payment.

I'm building a long term nest, so I guess I'm going to buy and hold. Looking at 10 yrs horizon:)
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OK similar to me, also long term and not very active trader.

Have a look at Vanguard UK ETFs, you can buy those through IB on LSE (London stock exchange) and you'll have only 15% Withholding on dividends rather than 30%.
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OK similar to me, also long term and not very active trader.

Have a look at Vanguard UK ETFs, you can buy those through IB on LSE (London stock exchange)  and you'll have only 15% Withholding on dividends rather than 30%.
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Hi RJB123,

May i pick your brains/experience on ETF tax optimization for "non-resident aliens"?
ie. Malaysians or Singaporians buying ETFs listed on US, London, Irish stock exchange

From my understanding of your guidance here in this thread (danke danke) + own digging (hard to find "nonUS" or "nonUK" stuff - most articles are written for US & UK investors cry.gif ):
1. US listed ETFs: "Aliens" dividend withholding tax 30%, can dig back 15% but extra work & no capital tax
2. London listed ETFs: "Aliens" dividend withholding tax 15% & no capital tax

Picking your brains/experience
a. Is my above understanding correct?
b. Is Ireland & Luxemburg listed ETFs similar to (2.)?

c. I'm planning to do EU & Russia for opportunistic (ie. buy fear)
+long term Developed Market,
and have searched MSCI IK + Vanguard UK for possible candidates.
Any thoughts to share on the below?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CSX5.L&ql=1 for EU ETF opportunistic
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SWDA.L&ql=0 for Developed Mkt ETF long term value averaging
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CSRU.L&ql=0 for Russia ETF opportunistic

Any pointers, feedback & corrections are greatly appreciated.
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Hi RJB123,

May i pick your brains/experience on ETF tax optimization for "non-resident aliens"?
ie. Malaysians or Singaporians buying ETFs listed on US, London, Irish stock exchange

From my understanding of your guidance here in this thread (danke danke) + own digging (hard to find "nonUS" or "nonUK" stuff - most articles are written for US & UK investors  cry.gif ):
1. US listed ETFs: "Aliens" dividend withholding tax 30%, can dig back 15% but extra work & no capital tax
2. London listed ETFs: "Aliens" dividend withholding tax 15% & no capital tax

Picking your brains/experience
a. Is my above understanding correct?
b. Is Ireland & Luxemburg listed ETFs similar to (2.)?

c. I'm planning to do EU & Russia for opportunistic (ie. buy fear)
+long term Developed Market,
and have searched MSCI IK + Vanguard UK for possible candidates.
Any thoughts to share on the below?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CSX5.L&ql=1   for EU ETF opportunistic
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SWDA.L&ql=0  for Developed Mkt ETF long term value averaging
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CSRU.L&ql=0    for Russia ETF opportunistic

Any pointers, feedback & corrections are greatly appreciated.
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Hi,

1. On this Tax issue I'm not even 100% sure what the deal is - if we can really get the 15% back or not on US domiciled ETFs? Even if we can, it's a bit of a hassle so I've opted to go with Ireland domiciled. I've just received TDAM statement for the year and have paid approx $250 in WT so going to see if I can get half of this back without too much hassle, will update.

2. Actually, Ireland / Luxembourg I'm referring to as the domicile of the ETF, not the exchange it's traded on. Eg S+P 500 Vanguard Ireland domiciled is traded on LSE as VUSA / VUSD (GBP / USD) , because of the tax agreement between Ireland and US, the rate is only 15% rather than 30%

My personal view on the ETFs :

1. ISHARES VII PLC ISHARES CORE EU/ iShares Core EURO STOXX 50 UCITS ETF (CSX5) - Not that broad,covers only approximately 50 of the largest caps across Europe. Something like Vanguard VEUR (Vanguard FTSE Developed Europe) holds in comparison holds in excess of 500 different stocks.
2. Looks good to me, Vanguard VWRL is similar, more holdings but also a TER which is 0.05% higher.
3. Russia ... I haven't really looked into many Russia ETFs. I've bought and sold some RSX but not holding for the long term so didn't bother doing much research and don't care about dividends much on this. (US trading costs are cheaper, that's why I went with US listed..). Very volatile especially with the exchange rate fluctuations :

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Hi,

1. On this Tax issue I'm not even 100% sure what the deal is - if we can really get the 15% back or not on US domiciled ETFs? Even if we can, it's a bit of a hassle so I've opted to go with Ireland domiciled. I've just received TDAM statement for the year and have paid approx $250 in WT so going to see if I can get half of this back without too much hassle, will update.

2. Actually, Ireland / Luxembourg I'm referring to as the domicile of the ETF, not the exchange it's traded on. Eg S+P 500 Vanguard Ireland domiciled is traded on LSE as VUSA / VUSD (GBP / USD) , because of the tax agreement between Ireland and US, the rate is only 15% rather than 30%

My personal view on the ETFs :

1. ISHARES VII PLC ISHARES CORE EU/  iShares Core EURO STOXX 50 UCITS ETF (CSX5) - Not that broad,covers only approximately 50 of the largest caps across Europe. Something like Vanguard VEUR (Vanguard FTSE Developed Europe) holds in comparison holds in excess of 500 different stocks.
2. Looks good to me, Vanguard VWRL is similar, more holdings but also a TER which is 0.05% higher.
3. Russia ... I haven't really looked into many Russia ETFs. I've bought and sold some RSX but not holding for the long term so didn't bother doing much research and don't care about dividends much on this.  (US trading costs are cheaper, that's why I went with US listed..). Very volatile especially with the exchange rate fluctuations :

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Yeah - was thinking of buggering all and just doing RSX only since it's opportunistic, not like 10 years+ value averaging into it sweat.gif
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Thank U for the pointers on EU & correction on PoV for domicile vs listes, RJB123
Yeah - was thinking of buggering all and just doing RSX only since it's opportunistic, not like 10 years+ value averaging into it  sweat.gif
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No problem. RSX is good as it's very liquid and US trading fees are fairly cheap, WT don't really matter for short term punts.

Another thing to consider for long term - US Estate (ie inheritance taxes) if you pass away. I'm still fairly young and no kids etc. so haven't taken this into consideration!
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OK similar to me, also long term and not very active trader.

Have a look at Vanguard UK ETFs, you can buy those through IB on LSE (London stock exchange)  and you'll have only 15% Withholding on dividends rather than 30%.
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thanks on the tips flex.gif

im looking at Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF too. smile.gif

by the way, when we make payment do you do a tt from your bank direct to their account everytime you want to top up? or can put additional funds inside for future purchase?
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thanks on the tips  flex.gif

im looking at Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF too.  smile.gif

by the way, when we make payment do you do a tt from your bank direct to their account everytime you want to top up? or can put additional funds inside for future purchase?
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TT from Maybank for example will cost you around 50 USD all in - not that cheap! That's including receiving bank fees and intermediary bank fees.

You could also deposit in SGD for example free of charge if you have an account in SG (IB uses Citibank in SG). I also deposit from my UK account (again, no fees) to GBP. Inside IB you can transfer between currencies at very competitive rates - better than you'd ever get elsewhere anyway.

I deposited quite a lot at once and just leave it there until I want to top up... Won't earn any interest if it's sitting in Maybank FCA anyway.
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TT from Maybank for example will cost you around 50 USD all in -  not that cheap! That's including receiving bank fees and intermediary bank fees.

You could also deposit in SGD for example free of charge if you  have an account in SG (IB uses Citibank in SG). I also deposit from my UK account (again, no fees)  to GBP. Inside IB you can transfer between currencies at very competitive rates -  better than you'd ever get elsewhere anyway.

I deposited quite a lot at once and just leave it there until I want to top up...  Won't earn any interest if it's sitting in Maybank FCA anyway.
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Oh so it's 10usd. I'm looking to invest quarterly or monthly if it's convenient to make payment.

I'm building a long term nest, so I guess I'm going to buy and hold. Looking at 10 yrs horizon:)
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Min is USD 10k to open account only
https://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/index.php?f=4969

Very affordable if u compare to TD amerit

TD amerit charge $9.99/trade
https://www.tdameritrade.com/pricing.page#ETFs

IB charge USD0.01/share or USD1 min, whichever higher.
https://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/in...ssion&p=stocks1

Somemore the livefeed is free, not compulsory to subscribe to the paid service feed.


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Min is USD 10k to open account only
https://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/index.php?f=4969

Very affordable if u compare to TD amerit

TD amerit charge $9.99/trade
https://www.tdameritrade.com/pricing.page#ETFs

IB charge USD0.01/share or USD1 min, whichever higher.
https://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/in...ssion&p=stocks1

Somemore the livefeed is free, not compulsory to subscribe to the paid service feed.
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10 USD monthly is referring to inactivity fee, if you're not doing any trades during a month and have less than 100,000 USD balance.

TD Ameritrade has many commission free ETFs and supports DRIPS, so if you're only buying US ETFs infrequently and want dividends reinvested TD is a better option.

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Min is USD 10k to open account only
https://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/index.php?f=4969

Very affordable if u compare to TD amerit

TD amerit charge $9.99/trade
https://www.tdameritrade.com/pricing.page#ETFs

IB charge USD0.01/share or USD1 min, whichever higher.
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10 USD monthly is referring to inactivity fee, if you're not doing any trades during a month and have less than 100,000 USD balance.

TD Ameritrade has many commission free ETFs and supports DRIPS, so if you're only buying US ETFs infrequently and want dividends reinvested TD is a better option.
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Yes would like to invest the dividends back to the fund. nod.gif

so to summarize:

TD : 9.99/trade (irregardless to amount? trade 1000usd also 9.99, trade 10,000usd also 9.99?)
IB : 0.01%/share or USD 1, whichever higher. inactivity 10USD/month.

so if plan to trade 1500USD every quarter (March, June, Sept, Dec) :

my trade on IB will be USD10 (january), USD10 (February) + USD1 = USD21
my trade on TD will be net 9.99USD

anymore hidden charges? fund transfer fees?

IB : minimum 10k USD to open account?
TD : no minimum

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and also, wires out of account from TD is USD25.

IB allows one free withdrawal request every 30 days?
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Yes would like to invest the dividends back to the fund.  nod.gif

so to summarize:

TD : 9.99/trade (irregardless to amount? trade 1000usd also 9.99, trade 10,000usd also 9.99?)
IB : 0.01%/share or USD 1, whichever higher. inactivity 10USD/month.

so if plan to trade 1500USD every quarter (March, June, Sept, Dec) :

my trade on IB will be USD10 (january), USD10 (February) + USD1 = USD21
my trade on TD will be net 9.99USD

anymore hidden charges? fund transfer fees?

IB : minimum 10k USD to open account?
TD : no minimum
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TD only USA exchanges AFAIK, but most common ETFs that you'd likely to be investing in are available commission free (there's a list on their website) so the trade is free, and DRIPS means your dividends are automatically reinvested. With IB they just get deposited into your account. But with IB you can be buying non us listed etfs, which means you don't have to pay the Withholding tax of 30%, only 15%.

There's a minimum on TD of 2000 usd I believe. Transfer charges will be the same for both, overall Tt from Malaysia will cost you 40-50 USD in total. IB cheaper if you have SG account for example and deposit in SGD.
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 7 2015, 01:01 PM)
and also, wires out of account from TD is USD25.

IB allows one free withdrawal request every 30 days?
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Well either way you'd still be liable for intermediary bank charges - IB you could withdraw to SG in SGD if you have an account, avoid those charges.

I have never withdrawn from either so far so can't comment much on that. I'm in it for the long term, by the time I need to withdraw the amounts would be large enough not to worry about the withdrawal fees!


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TD only USA exchanges AFAIK, but most common ETFs that you'd likely to be investing in are available commission free (there's a list on their website)  so the trade is free, and DRIPS means your dividends are automatically reinvested. With IB they just get deposited into your account. But with IB you can be buying non us listed etfs, which means you don't have to pay the Withholding tax of 30%, only 15%.

There's a minimum on TD of 2000 usd I believe. Transfer charges will be the same for both, overall Tt from Malaysia will cost you 40-50 USD in total. IB cheaper if you have SG account for example and deposit in SGD.
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hmm.gif Does the 30% withholding tax applies if i trade US ETFs on TD? so it applies on all US-etfs regardless IB/TD?
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hmm.gif Does the 30% withholding tax applies if i trade US ETFs on TD? so it applies on all US-etfs regardless IB/TD?
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30% WT on Dividends applies to a US Domiciled ETFs, stocks,regardless of broker. On sign up you complete W8 Ben form which excludes you from CGT but still liable for 30% WT

Countries which have tax agreement with USA such as Ireland have different rates (ie. Ireland = 15%) so even though you're holding the same equities (ie. SP500 tracker, SPY vs VUSA), Dividends from VUSA would only be taxed at 15% rather than 30% because the ETFs domicile is Ireland.
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How the TD dividend reinvest plan work?

Let say the 1 unit of ETF is $90, so I buy 1 unit.

ETF dividend payout $1/unit.

So how many total unit I have in ETF after dividend is re-invest?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 7 2015, 08:42 PM)
How the TD dividend reinvest plan work?

Let say the 1 unit of ETF is $90, so I buy 1 unit.

ETF dividend payout $1/unit.

So how many total unit I have in ETF after dividend is re-invest?
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Your holding qty will increase by $1-30%(WT) / $90

Of course you wouldn't buy just 1 unit, and you can only sell whole units.

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Any discount broker recommendation for an occasional (quarterly), buy and hold investor with access to Irish ETFs?

@pisces88 for your calculations, note the following:
IB charges the difference up to $10 for inactivity. So, even if you paid $1 for commissions for that 1 trade, they will still charge you the remaining $9 for that month, unless you have $100,000 account value with them.

Upon further investigation, the 15% saved by going LSE vs NYSE amounts to an ER of about 0.3%, if investing $1250 per quarter, totalling $5000 a year:

IB: $10x12 = $120 (In fact, I believe the 1st 3 months is waived so about RM90)
TD: 0.3 ER on $5000 = $150 (The trade itself is commission free for certain ETFs, i.e. Vanguard)

It get's worse for TD because from the 2nd year onwards as that ER compounds on top of your continued quarterly investment, so it'll be $300 for TD and $120 for IB. Seems like it's still better to start off with IB and build up until you reach $100k (although it will take a long time at this rate)

Have anyone also looked at iShares and similar ETFs (vs. Vanguard)?

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Any discount broker recommendation for an occasional (quarterly), buy and hold investor with access to Irish ETFs?
try tradeking $5/trade

https://www.janus.com/advisor/exchange-trad...rmance-and-risk
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Any discount broker recommendation for an occasional (quarterly), buy and hold investor with access to Irish ETFs?

@pisces88 for your calculations, note the following:
IB charges the difference up to $10 for inactivity. So, even if you paid $1 for commissions for that 1 trade, they will still charge you the remaining $9 for that month, unless you have $100,000 account value with them.

Upon further investigation, the 15% saved by going LSE vs NYSE amounts to an ER of about 0.3%, if investing $1250 per quarter, totalling $5000 a year:

IB: $10x12 = $120 (In fact, I believe the 1st 3 months is waived so about RM90)
TD: 0.3 ER on $5000 = $150 (The trade itself is commission free for certain ETFs, i.e. Vanguard)

It get's worse for TD because from the 2nd year onwards as that ER compounds on top of your continued quarterly investment, so it'll be $300 for TD and $120 for IB. Seems like it's still better to start off with IB and build up until you reach $100k (although it will take a long time at this rate)

Have anyone also looked at iShares and similar ETFs (vs. Vanguard)?
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I think $1250 per quarter may be a bit cost prohibitive in both instances considering the roughly $50 transfer fees.

I don't follow your logic of additional ER of 0.3% though? I'll do a spreadsheet and report back shortly biggrin.gif
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I think $1250 per quarter may be a bit cost prohibitive in both instances considering the roughly $50 transfer fees.

I don't follow your logic of additional ER of 0.3% though? I'll do a spreadsheet and report back shortly  biggrin.gif
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I think $1250 per quarter may be a bit cost prohibitive in both instances considering the roughly $50 transfer fees.

I don't follow your logic of additional ER of 0.3% though? I'll do a spreadsheet and report back shortly  biggrin.gif
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Yes, you need to transfer $5000 just to get costs down to 1%. $10000 seems a better minimum to aim for. (Plus IB needs that minimum anyway)

0.3% numbers plugged from here Nonresident alien with no US tax treaty & Irish ETFs
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Including the funds expense ratios: VOO's total cost is 0.64%, while VUSA's total cost is 0.37% for a no-tax-treaty NRA.
Including the funds expense ratios: VT's total cost is 0.76%, while VWRL's total cost is 0.46% for a no-tax-treaty NRA.
This doesn't take into account the slightly higher trading commissions on the LSE.

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Npt yet, busy day. I should have time to do it today smile.gif
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i thought ur work is easy...
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QUOTE(ferox @ Apr 21 2015, 07:50 AM)
Yes, you need to transfer $5000 just to get costs down to 1%. $10000 seems a better minimum to aim for. (Plus IB needs that minimum anyway)

0.3% numbers plugged from here Nonresident alien with no US tax treaty & Irish ETFs
For quick reference:
This doesn't take into account the slightly higher trading commissions on the LSE.
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Yup, personally I wouldn't do any funding less than $10k so the fees aren't top much of a large percentage of the overall funding. I don't mind having extra cash sitting in IB account - Maybank doesn't pay any interest on USD FCA anyway.

I'll have a look at doing a spreadsheet shortly, the link doesn't account for :

1. DRIPS (automatically reinvested dividends without fees)
2. Higher trading costs on LSE
3. Larger spreads on LSE as the ETFs are less liquid than their US counterparts

Hopefully I don't screw this up, my spreadsheet skills are a bit rusty biggrin.gif

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why u so busy bro?

i thought ur work is easy...
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 7 2015, 09:00 AM)
10 USD monthly is referring to inactivity fee, if you're not doing any trades during a month and have less than 100,000 USD balance.

TD Ameritrade has many commission free ETFs and supports DRIPS, so if you're only buying US ETFs infrequently and want dividends reinvested TD is a better option.
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hi guys,

i am planning to open an account with IB for us equities trading purposes. so far, i read from the website:

.. initial deposit usd10k
.. usd1 per trade
.. usd10 min per month if no trades

before i go further, i thought will be good if you guys can point me in the most straightforward direction to get going. can you assist:

.. malaysian resident, with rm in local bank

.. open account online? any documents required?
.. how do i transfer money in/out of IB account with my local bank - ibg, 3rd party?
.. does each transfer require notification any body, e.g. bnm?
.. from where is exchange rate determined at any day or time?
.. how long from registration to acc active?
.. trading - is it always usd1 per buy or sell, any contra period (no payment used)?
.. how many days for gain/loss to become due?
.. any leverage? or zero, i.e. can buy only up to what is in cash deposit?
.. what is minimum shares buy/sell allowed - as per counter boardlot size?

thanks.

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.. initial deposit usd10k Yup, $10K Initial deposit to open account
.. usd1 per trade $0.005 per share, $1 minimum for US Markets. Other exchanges have other fees
.. usd10 min per month if no trades Yup, $10 inactivity fee if account under $100K, monthly commissions get offset, first 3 months inactivity fee is waived

before i go further, i thought will be good if you guys can point me in the most straightforward direction to get going. can you assist:

.. malaysian resident, with rm in local bank

.. open account online? any documents required? All online, scan of passport, utility bill to prove address etc
.. how do i transfer money in/out of IB account with my local bank - ibg, 3rd party? TT from Malaysian bank, takes 24 hours to complete (MaybanK)
.. does each transfer require notification any body, e.g. bnm? Not that I'm aware , have never been asked to give additional information
.. from where is exchange rate determined at any day or time? Determined by your bank's day rate when doing TT
.. how long from registration to acc active? Can't remember - think it was around a week
.. trading - is it always usd1 per buy or sell, any contra period (no payment used)?1 USD or $0.005 per share for US markets, different for others - full fee structure for different markets available https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index...ssion&p=stocks1
.. how many days for gain/loss to become due? Amount becomes available in cash balance immediately
.. any leverage? or zero, i.e. can buy only up to what is in cash deposit? Info on Margins : https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/?f=margin
.. what is minimum shares buy/sell allowed - as per counter boardlot size?No minimums that I'm aware of

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.. initial deposit usd10k Yup, $10K Initial deposit to open account
.. usd1 per trade $0.005 per share, $1 minimum for US Markets. Other exchanges have other fees
.. usd10 min per month if no trades Yup, $10 inactivity fee if account under $100K, monthly commissions get offset, first 3 months inactivity fee is waived

before i go further, i thought will be good if you guys can point me in the most straightforward direction to get going. can you assist:

.. malaysian resident, with rm in local bank

.. open account online? any documents required? All online, scan of passport, utility bill to prove address etc
.. how do i transfer money in/out of IB account with my local bank - ibg, 3rd party? TT from Malaysian bank, takes 24 hours to complete (MaybanK)
.. does each transfer require notification any body, e.g. bnm? Not that I'm aware , have never been asked to give additional information
.. from where is exchange rate determined at any day or time? Determined by your bank's day rate when doing TT
.. how long from registration to acc active? Can't remember - think it was around a week
.. trading - is it always usd1 per buy or sell, any contra period (no payment used)?1 USD or $0.005 per share for US markets, different for others - full fee structure for different markets available https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index...ssion&p=stocks1
.. how many days for gain/loss to become due? Amount becomes available in cash balance immediately
.. any leverage? or zero, i.e. can buy only up to what is in cash deposit? Info on Margins : https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/?f=margin
.. what is minimum shares buy/sell allowed - as per counter boardlot size?No minimums that I'm aware of
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.. how do i transfer money in/out of IB account with my local bank - ibg, 3rd party? TT from Malaysian bank, takes 24 hours to complete (MaybanK)
.. from where is exchange rate determined at any day or time? Determined by your bank's day rate when doing TT
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about this...

if i want to move funds out of IB back to my local bank acc, is that easy enough? takes about 24 hrs too? need some swift no., right?

the exchange rate should then be determined by IB's bank, right? usually standard?

thanks again.
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about this...

if i want to move funds out of IB back to my local bank acc, is that easy enough? takes about 24 hrs too? need some swift no., right?

the exchange rate should then be determined by IB's bank, right? usually standard?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 25 2015, 11:39 AM)
about this...if i want to move funds out of IB back to my local bank acc, is that easy enough? takes about 24 hrs too? need some swift no., right?

the exchange rate should then be determined by IB's bank, right? usually standard?

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yes u r right
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The exchange rate will be determined by receiving bank, you can't send funds as MYR from IB.

I use USD account with Maybank to avoid any exchange rate issues.

If you have accounts elsewhere you can fund and withdraw in SGD, EUR, GBP etc also. Rate for changing between currencies will be far better inside IB than through any bank.

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The exchange rate will be determined by receiving bank, you can't send funds as MYR from IB.

I use USD account with Maybank to avoid any exchange rate issues.

If you have accounts elsewhere you can fund and withdraw in SGD, EUR, GBP etc also. Rate for changing between currencies will be far better inside IB than through any bank.
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IB have USD/MYR conversion?


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IB have USD/MYR conversion?
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Since when?

You can't deposit or withdraw in MYR afaik
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I mean convert.

From IB, u need to convert to EU if you wan buy EU stock
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I mean convert.

From IB, u need to convert to EU if you wan  buy EU stock
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If you don't convert they do let you purchase on margin and corresponding balance goes negative.
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For the intraday trader in Stocks, Stock and Index Options, Warrants, T-Bills, Bonds, or Single Stock Futures please take note on this limitation implement by FINRA.


https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/?f=margin&p=daytrade
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The exchange rate will be determined by receiving bank, you can't send funds as MYR from IB.
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i think this means IB will take instructions to TT the amt requested in USD. The local bank will then convert to RM at prevailing rate on that day.

QUOTE(denver1347 @ Apr 25 2015, 03:19 PM)
For the intraday trader in Stocks, Stock and Index Options, Warrants, T-Bills, Bonds, or Single Stock Futures please take note on this limitation implement by FINRA.
https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/?f=margin&p=daytrade
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hmm... that means for frequent intraday trading, will need >usd25k as deposit.

once or max twice a week, 10k shuld be ok, i suppose...?

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i think this means IB will take instructions to TT the amt requested in USD. The local bank will then convert to RM at prevailing rate on that day.
hmm... that means for frequent intraday trading, will need >usd25k as deposit.


once or max twice a week, 10k shuld be ok, i suppose...?
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Correct, or you can open USD account with Maybank or whoever you use, then convert between RM when you want smile.gif

If you're only doing a few transactions a week you won't fall under PDT and won't require the $25K minimum smile.gif

Anyway that's a US rule, not broker specific. Others like TD Ameritrade would also require the same.
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Correct, or you can open USD account with Maybank or whoever you use, then convert between RM when you want smile.gif

If you're only doing a few transactions a week you won't fall under PDT and won't require the $25K minimum smile.gif

Anyway that's a US rule, not broker specific. Others like TD Ameritrade would also require the same.
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thanks.

alright, that's assuring hearing from you.

10k it is! biggrin.gif
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thanks.

alright, that's assuring hearing from you.

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when u wanted to convert to USD?
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when u wanted to convert to USD?
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should open it earlier
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We're still waiting...
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Will do it soon ... got sidetracked making another spdreadsheet for keeping track of my own portfolio, never realised there were so mantly google finance features built into Sheets biggrin.gif
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why so slow bro?

should open it earlier
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We're still waiting...
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/142S...dit?usp=sharing

Hopefully that's correct, need to double check through the formulas.

There seems to be some issues with the GOOGLEFINANCE features, sometimes a few of them don't load up but work after refresh.


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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 27 2015, 11:27 AM)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/142S...dit?usp=sharing

Hopefully that's correct, need to double check through the formulas.

There seems to be some issues with the GOOGLEFINANCE features, sometimes a few of them don't load up but work after refresh.
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Formula looks okay except:
1. Withholding tax for VUSD is 15% not 0% I believe.
2. IB's cost for US denominated stocks on LSE is 0.05% trade value / min. order $5 ($10,000 value). So it should be Qty (-5) & Cost (+5) in the formulas.
3. For those who have not build up to $100k, the trading cost on this platform is exactly $10 every month.
4. For DRIPS, can it reinvest less than 1 stock? My take is that if you're consistently adding to the fund, dividends collected will simply be rolled into the next BUY event anyway.

I re-did the calculations using criteria (1) & (3) above, my results are:
ROI VUSD 9.68% vs VOO 8.83% (0.85% difference)
VUSD $342.71 extra

This post has been edited by ferox: Apr 27 2015, 02:27 PM
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Formula looks okay except:
1. Withholding tax for VUSD is 15% not 0% I believe.
2. IB's cost for US denominated stocks on LSE is 0.05% trade value / min. order $5 ($10,000 value). So it should be Qty (-5) & cost (+5) in the formulas.
3. For those who have not build up to $100k, the trading cost on this platform is exactly $10 every month.

I re-did the calculations using criteria (1) & (3) above, my results are:
VUSD 9.68% vs VOO 8.83% (0.85% difference)
VUSD $342.71 extra
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1. VUSD Witholding taxes are already settled in the ETF, not deducted after payout. So there's no extra 15% to be deducted
2. You're right, I was going with £6 / trade which I put at $9, so it's actually $4 / less per trade.
3. I didn't include the platform fee
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1. VUSD Witholding taxes are already settled in the ETF, not deducted after payout. So there's no extra 15% to be deducted
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A quick recalculation:
ROI VUSD 9.74% vs VOO 8.83% (0.91% difference)
VUSD $363.64 extra

So.. IB buying LSE stocks it is? brows.gif
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QUOTE(ferox @ Apr 27 2015, 02:33 PM)
A quick recalculation:
ROI VUSD 9.74% vs VOO 8.83% (0.91% difference)
VUSD $363.64 extra

So.. IB buying LSE stocks it is?  brows.gif
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For buy and hold they're a better option - of course if amounts are smaller the trading costs become more of a factor.

For active trading not so much - less liquid and higher spreads!

I mostly buy and hold, hardly actively trade at all.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 27 2015, 02:20 PM)
1. VUSD Witholding taxes are already settled in the ETF, not deducted after payout. So there's no extra 15% to be deducted
2. You're right, I was going with £6 / trade which I put at $9, so it's actually $4 / less per trade.
3. I didn't include the platform fee
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What about withholding tax on dividends?


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You are correct about this, but dividends will still be taxed.
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Taxed at 15% rather than 30%, the reported dividends already account for the 15% deduction as far as I'm aware.

Double checked last VUSD payout

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CASH Dividend 0.16905300 USD per Share (Ordinary Dividend)


No additional WT, the 15% is already withheld in the ETF - same as if you were holding feeder fund through FSM as example

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Taxed at 15% rather than 30%, the reported dividends already account for the 15% deduction as far as I'm aware.

I'll double check next time VUSD pays out smile.gif
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Ok so you buy the VUSD on the LSE.. so you only get charged 15%.. cool yea let us know smile.gif

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Ok so you buy the VUSD on the LSE.. so you only get charged 15%.. cool yea let us know smile.gif
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Yup, edited previous post already and confirmed with last dividend payout in March thumbup.gif
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What are your thoughts on CIMB FTSE ASEAN 40?
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What are your thoughts on CIMB FTSE ASEAN 40?
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Good time to change ... I need to change in the other direction soon - should have done it earlier  doh.gif
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bloomberg now showing usd/rm 3.6132.
last week 3.55-3.56 wud be nice!
i m late too! laugh.gif

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why so slow bro?
should open it earlier
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almost there. smile.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ May 2 2015, 06:33 PM)
bloomberg now showing usd/rm 3.6132.
last week 3.55-3.56 wud be nice!
i m late too! laugh.gif
almost there. smile.gif
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As of Friday Maybank are only giving 3.5100 shocking.gif but I've got bills to pay unfortunately doh.gif
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maybank sell 3.61....


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maybank sell 3.61....
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3.615... But I'm talking about USD to MYR, other way around.
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3.615...  But I'm talking about USD to MYR, other way around.
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what u got, 3.51 usd->myr, is about right on fri.

maybe mbb spread a little worse but when i checked cimb on thu, i was told 3.53.

3.6132 myr->usd is probably a derived rate at this time since rm is not traded during the holidays.
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/currencies/asia-pacific/

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Not sure whether should i depo more at this rate..
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what u got, 3.51 usd->myr, is about right on fri.

maybe mbb spread a little worse but when i checked cimb on thu, i was told 3.53.

3.6132 myr->usd is probably a derived rate at this time since rm is not traded during the holidays.
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/currencies/asia-pacific/
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It's the rate from Thursday

Last Update : 30 Apr 2015 at 17:55:01
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What long term stock u all bought?
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It's the rate from Thursday

Last Update : 30 Apr 2015 at 17:55:01
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i actually bought some usd for stocks payment on thu 30/4.
but it was by phone to the broker in cimb, estimated 3.533/3.545 in the morning.
i have yet to see the actual becos of the holidays.

QUOTE(MNet @ May 3 2015, 09:31 AM)
What long term stock u all bought?
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stocks for keeping... yeah, good idea to share.

since this is ETF thread, i'll start the ball rolling.

i have a bit of these most/more liquid US ETF's:

SPY (S&P500)
XLV (healthcare)
QQQ (tech)
OIH (oil services)

QUOTE(MNet @ May 3 2015, 09:22 AM)
Not sure whether should i depo more at this rate..
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3.55-3.60 is probably a fair rate to deposit, imo.
now, usd relatively weak with rising oil price->stronger rm.
but i can't see oil price rising much more so soon.
and we never know if usd will strengthen bigtime soon->oil price drop->weaker rm! biggrin.gif
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recently at what price u deposited in USD?
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recently at what price u deposited in USD?
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like i just mentioned, will know actual for 28/4 purchase only next tue due to holidays. estimated 3.545.

will be buying again next week to commence with IB, yet to see...
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What you mean?

I can directly know the conversion price immediately when I TT to US.
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What you mean?

I can directly know the conversion price immediately when I TT to US.
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Yes, you will know if tt to foreign brokers. Cash first, then u buy stocks.

I was refering to paying up something at local brokerage. Some local brokers allow t+3.
Not sure if all of them offer it, but there is a possibility to choose rate at stocks buy date or t+3.
For later, it is not known immediately, only estimates, need to wait for update from back office.
Local brokerage offers this advantage but big disadvantage is much higher brokerage fees.

That is why I am going IB as well. More for trading since low brokerage fees.

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Its good choice to direct trade. save cost.
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thanks to you and rjb, my ib account has just turned active. thumbup.gif
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Already funded?
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Already funded?
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wired at 10.30am, ib email acknowledgement at 3pm. thumbup.gif

rate at cimb was 3.6310.

kinda high to me since cash rate and normal rate should be about 3.61 today.

tt rates always higher? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ May 5 2015, 05:50 PM)
wired at 10.30am, ib email acknowledgement at 3pm. thumbup.gif

rate at cimb was 3.6310.

kinda high to me since cash rate and normal rate should be about 3.61 today.

tt rates always higher? hmm.gif
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Normally TT rates are better than Cash rates iirc, with Maybank at least. Although I transfer from FCA so don't pay attention as not converting any currency

Looking at CIMB website their rates seem better than Maybank though.
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Looking at CIMB website their rates seem better than Maybank though.
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so, it means if i had tt'ed today at mbb, it may have been 3.650 then! biggrin.gif

i will check this up when the next opportunity arrives.
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happy to say i completed my maiden trade on IB, had a tiny profit. biggrin.gif

anyone looking for USD stocks investment or trading, i will suggest Interactive Brokers (IB).
https://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/home.php
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at this time, may are interested to trade/invest in foreign equities. biggrin.gif
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Good day to all =) I am interested in opening account with Interactive Broker ( IB ), however there's a few things that I would like to clarify before I proceed

Under application form, I have reached W-8BEN form, this is needed as I am Malaysian and that's for tax purposes right? And may I know what are the methods of transfering money that is safe? Normally how you guys transfer the minimum 10k USD over for opening account? I have read the instructions on IB but still abit puzzled over it, plan to get into emailing them or chat but get a few guidance from sifu here

Thanks for all the help
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Good day to all =) I am interested in opening account with Interactive Broker ( IB ), however there's a few things that I would like to clarify before I proceed

Under application form, I have reached W-8BEN form, this is needed as I am Malaysian and that's for tax purposes right? And may I know what are the methods of transfering money that is safe? Normally how you guys transfer the minimum 10k USD over for opening account? I have read the instructions on IB but still abit puzzled over it, plan to get into emailing them or chat but get a few guidance from sifu here

Thanks for all the help
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W8-BEN form exempts you from CGT (Capital Gains Tax) on US stocks. Withholding taxes on dividends still apply (30%)

Deposit just wire from Maybank FCA to their Citibank account in USA. Always arrived on the same day so far - no problems smile.gif
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Good day to all =) I am interested in opening account with Interactive Broker ( IB ), however there's a few things that I would like to clarify before I proceed
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if u like, u can read my experience and help from others esp rjb starting post #59.

IB's been good fun, go for it! biggrin.gif
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Seems like a lot useful info and tips in opening IB as i needed from forummers,great helps,thanks, rjb123 ,is it okay if i used CIMB to transfer instead of Maybank as you suggested?

So, money transferred from my bank will converted according to that day rate right? So now it needs to be around 40++k tongue.gif

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QUOTE(dragonfire88 @ Aug 12 2015, 05:00 PM)
Seems like a lot useful info and tips in opening IB as i needed from forummers,great helps,thanks, rjb123 ,is it okay if i used CIMB to transfer instead of Maybank as you suggested?

So, money transferred from my bank will converted according to that day rate right? So now it needs to be around 40++k tongue.gif
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CIMB is fine, I just mentioned Maybank as I have FCA there and don't have an account with CIMB.

If transferring from RM account money will be converted at the day's TT rate - looking at CIMB website that's 4.0810 today. I hold USD accounts at Maybank so no conversion takes place.


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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Aug 12 2015, 12:44 AM)
W8-BEN form exempts you from CGT (Capital Gains Tax) on US stocks. Withholding taxes on dividends still apply (30%)

Deposit just wire from Maybank FCA to their Citibank account in USA. Always arrived on the same day so far - no problems smile.gif
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Wire charges are kind of high aren't they?

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Wire charges are kind of high aren't they?
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Full trip including sending and receiving is around $40-50

If you're transferring $1k that's a lot, on $10K+ not such a big deal.

Actually there's ways to deposit avoiding any charges depending where you hold bank accounts :

1. IB SGD account in Singapore, from Singapore account - 0 charge
2. IB GBP account in UK, from UK GBP account - 0 charge

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It's kinda troublesome to purposely went down to Singapore to open an account just for this purpose isn't it? Might as well spend that $40 - 50 tongue.gif
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It's kinda troublesome to purposely went down to Singapore to open an account just for this purpose isn't it? Might as well spend that $40 - 50  tongue.gif
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Hi guys,

I am planning to open up a foreign share trading account (e.g, CIMB Itrade), purchase some ETFs in HK (e.g, S&P500 ETF Vanguard). What fees will I be looking at per transaction?


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Hi guys,

I am planning to open up a foreign share trading account (e.g, CIMB Itrade), purchase some ETFs in HK (e.g, S&P500 ETF Vanguard). What fees will I be looking at per transaction?
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How much are you looking to be trading with ? International brokers like Interactive Brokers have far more attractive fees compared to local share trading accounts.
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How much are you looking to be trading with ? International brokers like Interactive Brokers have far more attractive fees compared to local share trading accounts.
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😌 around 5,000 USD. I checked that interactive brokers requires a 10k USD starting deposit.

My follow-up question will be: what international broker would you recommend? And what are the basic steps to follow? (Really newbie here)
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7.75% charges ???
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That's the interest on margin trading (ie borrowing from the broker)

IBs margin rates are far lower by the way.
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hi guys,

i am a malaysia working in Singapore.

my purpose is to invest in some stock which i would like to keep long term, i read quite abit on IB on past pages.

So minimum is 10k USD to open an account, in which i could pay via my SG bank account.

i just need to understand more on the cost of maintaining the account, as the sole reason for me is to invest for the future.

Say if i already used up 10k upon my account been activated, cheapest way to maintain is to buy one share every month? So i just have to a share at $200; so i just have to pay $1 fee to avoid the inactivity fee which is $10?

Any other cost i should be aware of?

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Apr 3 2016, 03:41 AM)
hi guys,

i am a malaysia working in Singapore.

my purpose is to invest in some stock which i would like to keep long term, i read quite abit on IB on past pages.

So minimum is 10k USD to open an account, in which i could pay via my SG bank account.

i just need to understand more on the cost of maintaining the account, as the sole reason for me is to invest for the future.

Say if i already used up 10k upon my account been activated, cheapest way to maintain is to buy one share every month? So i just have to a share at $200; so i just have to pay $1 fee to avoid the inactivity fee which is $10?

Any other cost i should be aware of?
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The inactivity fee gets charged as log as commissions are under $10 for the month - say you only do one transaction with $1 in fees - you'll be charged the $9 difference. I believe over $100k the fee gets waived but can't find anything related to that on their site right now.

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=4969

If you need live market data there's fees for those too (waived if you hit sufficient commissions for the month)

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Do you think they'll accept money transfer from my online USD account, or must it come from Malaysian bank account?
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Do you think they'll accept money transfer from my online USD account, or must it come from Malaysian bank account?
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Which broker? What kind of online USD account?

IB have accepted all my deposits : GBP from Uk account, SGD from SG account, USD from Maybank and also offshore accounts (Jersey / Ilse of man)

TD Ameritrade doesn't accept transfers from Isle of Man, from Maybank no problem.


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Which broker? What kind of online USD account?

IB have accepted all my deposits : GBP from Uk account, SGD from SG account, USD from Maybank and also offshore accounts (Jersey / Ilse of man)

TD Ameritrade doesn't accept transfers from Isle of Man, from Maybank no problem.
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TD Ameritrade

My online USD account is from Wirex (see my sig), whose partner bank is in Gibraltar.
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TD Ameritrade

My online USD account is from Wirex (see my sig), whose partner bank is in Gibraltar.
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As long as funds are sent from a normal USD account through SWIFT I don't see a problem - you can message TD Ameritrade first to confirm.

I don't know anything about Wirex or how they operate so can't say for sure
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As long as funds are sent from a normal USD account through SWIFT I don't see a problem - you can message TD Ameritrade first to confirm.

I don't know anything about Wirex or how they operate so can't say for sure
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Good point, Wirex processes transactions through blockchain, so no SWIFT there. I'll ask Ameritrade. Thanks for your answers!
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Good point, Wirex processes transactions through blockchain, so no SWIFT there. I'll ask Ameritrade. Thanks for your answers!
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Oh in that case it definitely won't work

Although block chain is for Bitcoin so USD must involved a bank at some point.

Just had a quick look at Wirex - don't think you can class it as a bank account - more like a prepaid debit card which you can fund with Bitcoin. You definitely won't be able to use this to fund a broker account.

You need to transfer from a bank account in your own name, and also withdraw to a bank account in your name.

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The inactivity fee gets charged as log as commissions are under $10 for the month - say you only do one transaction with $1 in fees - you'll be charged the $9 difference. I believe over $100k the fee gets waived but can't find anything related to that on their site right now.

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=4969

If you need live market data there's fees for those too (waived if you hit sufficient commissions for the month)
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any recommendation on affordable platorm for casual investor? say if only trade a few shares a month? $10 a month is quite painful to maintain
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any recommendation on affordable platorm for casual investor? say if only trade a few shares a month? $10 a month is quite painful to maintain
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You can try TD Ameritrade , minimum deposit is less too. No inactivity / data fees, but you can only buy from US exchanges. They have a lot of ETFs which are 100% commission free.

Although someone reported they're no long taking clients from Malaysia - not sure if that's still the case.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 5 2016, 01:33 PM)
You can try TD Ameritrade , minimum deposit is less too. No inactivity / data fees, but you can only buy from US exchanges. They have a lot of ETFs which are 100% commission free.

Although someone reported they're no long taking clients from Malaysia - not sure if that's still the case.
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hi,i read on their website and other forums,stating if u buy ETFs thru TDAM,u hv to hold on 1 month,if u sell within a month they charged u USD19.90.....
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hi,i read on their website and other forums,stating if u buy ETFs thru TDAM,u hv to hold on 1 month,if u sell within a month they charged u USD19.90.....
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That's right - there's a minimum holding period on the comission free ETFs.

For active trading you're better off with Interactive Brokers.
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any1 hv issues repatriating money frm IB trading account to ur bank acc?
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i actually traded in nasdaq/nyse stocks thru MB Kim Eng singapore frm my local MB trading acc....the usd 25 per contract fee is ridiculously high....i dont hv a big chunk of cash to traded so each trade of mne was like few hundred unit per stock....how can i earn with intraday trade if they charged so high when i looking at 20-50cent raise per share n get out with some earnings...i dun intend to hold long....
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any1 hv issues repatriating money frm IB trading account to ur bank acc?
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Hi sifus, how do you transfer money into your IB accounts?

I went to Maybank to transfer a mere 10k usd into the IB account and the bank officer said i needed a BNM approval to trade US equities. Need some advice on this issue. How did you all do it?
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QUOTE(SpongeY @ Jun 13 2016, 04:16 PM)
Hi sifus, how do you transfer money into your IB accounts?

I went to Maybank to transfer a mere 10k usd into the IB account and the bank officer said i needed a BNM approval to trade US equities. Need some advice on this issue. How did you all do it?
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I've never been questioned by Maybank when doing transfers of 10K USD although I tend to fund from overseas bank as they let me do it online without having the hassle of going to the branch.
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QUOTE(janusmun79 @ Jun 9 2016, 10:37 PM)
i actually traded in nasdaq/nyse stocks thru MB Kim Eng singapore frm my local MB trading acc....the usd 25 per contract fee is ridiculously high....i dont hv a big chunk of cash to traded so each trade of mne was like few hundred unit per stock....how can i earn with intraday trade if they charged so high when i looking at 20-50cent raise per share n get out with some earnings...i dun intend to hold long....
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if u trade frequent or intraday with conventional brokerage fees, u lose in the end - to the brokers.

with low fees like IB, u can daytrade.

but there are rules too:

<USD25k in account, u can day trade only 3 times every 5 trading days.
>USD25k, u r free to trade anyway u want.

QUOTE(SpongeY @ Jun 13 2016, 04:16 PM)
Hi sifus, how do you transfer money into your IB accounts?

I went to Maybank to transfer a mere 10k usd into the IB account and the bank officer said i needed a BNM approval to trade US equities. Need some advice on this issue. How did you all do it?
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a year ago, no problem.

now, i hear bnm has been pushing banks to tighten up - rm falling, capital flight, money laundering cases, u know...

if bank priority customer, should be OK, i would think.
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Hi sifus, how do you transfer money into your IB accounts?

I went to Maybank to transfer a mere 10k usd into the IB account and the bank officer said i needed a BNM approval to trade US equities. Need some advice on this issue. How did you all do it?
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U can use maybank online foreign TT
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U can use maybank online foreign TT
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Also can't do online TT from FCA
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But quite low limit no?

Also can't do online TT from FCA
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New limit
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/mbb_info/m2u/p...al/ACC-Accounts
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I've never been questioned by Maybank when doing transfers of 10K USD although I tend to fund from overseas bank as they let me do it online without having the hassle of going to the branch.
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now, i hear bnm has been pushing banks to tighten up - rm falling, capital flight, money laundering cases, u know...

if bank priority customer, should be OK, i would think.
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Well I dont have an overseas bank to do so, i guess I'll just have to get the BNM approval? No idea how to even get that approval bangwall.gif

Im a private banker (not sure if this is 'priority' enough lol) in the Maybank branch I went to do a TT, still had to get the BNM approval for the officer. So tough to start trading nowadays sad.gif

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U can use maybank online foreign TT
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You mean even if i did a couple of transactions through this online foreign TT to the IB accounts there will be no questions asked? with RM30k new max limit i think that can really help me out if thats the case.
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QUOTE(SpongeY @ Jun 14 2016, 02:00 AM)
Well I dont have an overseas bank to do so, i guess I'll just have to get the BNM approval? No idea how to even get that approval  bangwall.gif

Im a private banker (not sure if this is 'priority' enough lol) in the Maybank branch I went to do a TT, still had to get the BNM approval for the officer. So tough to start trading nowadays sad.gif
You mean even if i did a couple of transactions through this online foreign TT to the IB accounts there will be no questions asked? with RM30k new max limit i think that can really help me out if thats the case.
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Strange - even on the TT form it mentions BNM approval for transactions over RM200K - shouldn't think $10K will be a problem - maybe try again and see if you get different staff.

Always better to do big amounts as possible as the overall cost will be around $50 or so all in.

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QUOTE(SpongeY @ Jun 13 2016, 04:16 PM)
Hi sifus, how do you transfer money into your IB accounts?

I went to Maybank to transfer a mere 10k usd into the IB account and the bank officer said i needed a BNM approval to trade US equities. Need some advice on this issue. How did you all do it?
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Can try other branch, some branch are more kiasi/lazier than other. It used to be just sign a declaration form, now need to get personal approval from bnm?
10k may be they can still count so need approval if 2.6 billion probably they will lost count and u will be exempted.
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QUOTE(SpongeY @ Jun 14 2016, 02:00 AM)
Well I dont have an overseas bank to do so, i guess I'll just have to get the BNM approval? No idea how to even get that approval  bangwall.gif

Im a private banker (not sure if this is 'priority' enough lol) in the Maybank branch I went to do a TT, still had to get the BNM approval for the officer. So tough to start trading nowadays sad.gif
You mean even if i did a couple of transactions through this online foreign TT to the IB accounts there will be no questions asked? with RM30k new max limit i think that can really help me out if thats the case.
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IB withdraw screen shot.

For Maybank, there a lot of branch with their own Bank SWIFT/BIC Code, so which I should choose?

FYI, the bank that I used to wire $$ to IB dont have any Bank SWIFT/BIC Code.

Please advise. Thx

http://i.imgur.com/eI2C8kq.jpg


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.....For Maybank, there a lot of branch with their own Bank SWIFT/BIC Code, so which I should choose?

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found this while googling...hope it helps....
list of maybanks swift codes...
(just not sure of its validity/genuineSS)
http://www.theswiftcodes.com/malaysia/page/2/

hmm.gif which one to choose?....Perhaps choose the one nearer to your place of work/stay for ease of going to the bank to confirm?

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Maybank MBBEMYKL, if it doesn't accept that MBBEMYKLXXX will also work, no matter what branch
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Just had an e-mail from TD Ameritrade, looks like need to either close the account or move to TD Ameritrade Asia.



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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jun 17 2016, 12:50 AM)
Just had an e-mail from TD Ameritrade, looks like need to either close the account or move to TD Ameritrade Asia.
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mind asking why did they ask to transfer? because your address not in US? any advantage or disadvantage of moving to td ameritrade asia?

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mind asking why did they ask to transfer? because your address not in US? any advantage or disadvantage of moving to td ameritrade asia?
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Well it looks like TD Ameritrade will stop serving certain countries - I think TD Ameritrade Asia is new.

I haven't really looked in detail at the differences yet - although I'm pretty certain stuff like commission free ETFs won't exist on the Asia platform.


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Got the same email from TD Ameritrade. Went to TD Ameritrade Asia FAQ page. Item number 5:

May non-Singapore citizens trade with TD Ameritrade Asia?
Yes, non-Singapore citizens may register with TD Ameritrade Asia, provided you are a Permanent Resident or have a valid Employment Pass or Work Pass. You will be required to provide us with a valid Tax ID number in Singapore to open the account. You will also be required to verify your Singapore address by providing us with a copy of a utility bill and/or bank statement listing your address.

Anyway I've sent them a message asking them about those without an SG Tax ID.
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QUOTE(xilepeco @ Jun 18 2016, 07:19 PM)
Got the same email from TD Ameritrade. Went to TD Ameritrade Asia FAQ page. Item number 5:

May non-Singapore citizens trade with TD Ameritrade Asia?
Yes, non-Singapore citizens may register with TD Ameritrade Asia, provided you are a Permanent Resident or have a valid Employment Pass or Work Pass. You will be required to provide us with a valid Tax ID number in Singapore to open the account. You will also be required to verify your Singapore address by providing us with a copy of a utility bill and/or bank statement listing your address.

Anyway I've sent them a message asking them about those without an SG Tax ID.
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Doesn't make much sense that they'd get rid of customers in Malaysia then restrict TD Ameritrade Asia only to Singaporean PR/EP holders.

Let me know what answer you get - I'm not sure if I want to transfer my holdings over to IB for simplicity sake, or whether to try and open an account at TD Ameritrade Asia.

To be honest I haven't really used TDAM at all recently but still have a fair bit of holdings with them so need to do something before they simply liquidate everything towards the end of the year.
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Will do, will let you know when I receive their reply.

Yup I get what you're saying. If there's no way around what's stated in the FAQ then yeah, they are likely dropping Malaysians and perhaps quite a few more accounts throughout some Asian countries. With that requirement, it would likely mean that TDA Asia does not handle that many accounts.


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Thanks - I'll give them a call on Monday also and see what they say.

I do have an account with TD International (Luxembourg) - never used it though as the fees are far too expensive . If TD Asia isn't an option then moving everything to IB it is !
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Save the hassle, just move the stock to IB
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TDAM was good for the commission free ETFs and the live data from TOS without having to subscribe to the various datafeeds @ IB.

Looks like TDAM Asia doesn't have the commission fee ETFs but retairs the TOS platform.
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OK guys, plese let us know if we Malaysians can use the TD Asia
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TDA Asia just told me that they will accept Malaysia accounts. So good news for those who want to transfer or open one.
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TDA Asia just told me that they will accept Malaysia accounts. So good news for those who want to transfer or open one.
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Planning to open TD Ameritrade soon. No restrictions for Malaysia accounts?
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Planning to open TD Ameritrade soon. No restrictions for Malaysia accounts?
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Called them today too - Malaysian residents can open account at TD Ameritrade Asia - don't need Singapore tax number / PR / EP etc.
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Called them today too - Malaysian residents can open account at TD Ameritrade Asia - don't need Singapore tax number / PR / EP etc.
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Cool, save less hassle for everyone has the account here should anything goes wrong. Will do that, thanks. thumbup.gif
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Just check out their fees. It is different from TDA Inc.

Those who transfer get to keep their existing fee structure though.
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How much the fee?
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Fees are listed on their site :

https://www.tdameritradeasia.com/tos/client...mmisions_sg.tos

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they told me its $10.65 per transaction, either buy or sell also same.

still a good option? small time investor just buy for retirement
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they told me its $10.65 per transaction, either buy or sell also same.

still a good option? small time investor just buy for retirement
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If you're buying for boring long term holding rather than trading I would say using Interactive Brokers is preferable.

Because you don't have to buy US domiciled funds which withhold 30% of tax on dividends.


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Got my TD Ameritrade Asia account all set up - only took a few days.

All holdings and cash transferred across, nice and easy smile.gif
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Got my TD Ameritrade Asia account all set up - only took a few days.

All holdings and cash transferred across, nice and easy smile.gif
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Hi, can advise what to fill in the last part of the application where it says need to put in some account numbers ??
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Hi, can advise what to fill in the last part of the application where it says need to put in some account numbers ??
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Which part? I don't recall any issues with filling in application so not sure which account numbers you refer to

TD Ameritrade Asia does give you your new account number on one of the forms you print out if that's what you mean.
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Called them today too - Malaysian residents can open account at TD Ameritrade Asia - don't need Singapore tax number / PR / EP etc.
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hi rjb,

like u know, i already have IB.

but like to know a bit more about this TDAA.

.. is registration and funds transfer much the same as IB, i.e. online submission of identity docs, then TT the funds?

.. what is min deposit?

.. what min deposit for unlimited intraday trade?

thanks.


p/s... since this is the ONLY thread to find decent foreign brokers info, is it possible u amend thread title so that it is easier for interested parties to find?

there are plenty of people here looking for brokers like IB and TDAA! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 28 2016, 05:31 PM)
hi rjb,

like u know, i already have IB.

but like to know a bit more about this TDAA.

.. is registration and funds transfer much the same as IB, i.e. online submission of identity docs, then TT the funds?

.. what is min deposit?

.. what min deposit for unlimited intraday trade?

thanks.
p/s... since this is the ONLY thread to find decent foreign brokers info, is it possible u amend thread title so that it is easier for interested parties to find?

there are plenty of people here looking for brokers like IB and TDAA!  biggrin.gif
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Hi,

1. Yup - that's the same process. Looks like TDAA also requires TT to US (I haven't done this yet as I had existing funds in TDAM which were moved across instead)
2. Minimum deposit used to be $2000 I believe with TDAM, according to TDAA FAQ it's $3500
3. That's actually set by FINRA I believe not individual brokers - so the $25,000 balance for pattern day trader is the same

I've added "Foreign Brokers" to the title too.

Actually the main reasons for opening TDAM in the past were the commission free ETFs - no trading fees on most of the popular ETFs as long as you held them for I believe 60 days minimum. That doesn't exist on TDAA anymore. But you can use TOS for the free / live data rather than needing subscriptions. Actual trading fees are much higher than IB though.


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Hi,

1. Yup - that's the same process. Looks like TDAA also requires TT to US (I haven't done this yet as I had existing funds in TDAM which were moved across instead)
2. Minimum deposit used to be $2000 I believe with TDAM, according to TDAA FAQ it's $3500
3. That's actually set by FINRA I believe not individual brokers - so the $25,000 balance for pattern day trader is the same

I've added "Foreign Brokers" to the title too.

Actually the main reasons for opening TDAM in the past were the commission free ETFs - no trading fees on most of the popular ETFs as long as you held them for I believe 60 days minimum. That doesn't exist on TDAA anymore. But you can use TOS for the free / live data rather than needing subscriptions. Actual trading fees are much higher than IB though.
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ok, thanks.

i will explore i further - my friends are interested.

not sure if i will go for it as i am happy enough with IB.
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Folks, I've almost completed registration on Interactive Brokers (now at the supporting documents part).

Just to check - what happens to your holdings (stocks in companies or ETFs etc.) if IB were to for example close down or go bankrupt ? What evidence would you have to prove your ownership ?

I'm asking this because I remember reading in one of the registration pages that IB is like a paperless broker with everything online.
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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Jul 19 2016, 10:05 PM)
Folks, I've almost completed registration on Interactive Brokers (now at the supporting documents part).

Just to check - what happens to your holdings (stocks in companies or ETFs etc.) if IB were to for example close down or go bankrupt ? What evidence would you have to prove your ownership ?

I'm asking this because I remember reading in one of the registration pages that IB is like a paperless broker with everything online.
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Holdings are protected by SIPC

http://www.sipc.org/for-investors/what-sipc-protects
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Thanks a lot, good to know this, especially the section below
" There is no requirement that a customer reside in or be a citizen of the United States. A non-U.S. citizen with an account at a brokerage firm that is a member of SIPC is treated the same as a resident or citizen of the United States with an account at a brokerage firm that is a member of SIPC."
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IB seems to be the best, but the USD10 a month inactive fee seems abit irritating, since i can only deposit a max of 25k usd.

=(
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QUOTE(rotijon25 @ Oct 6 2016, 01:45 AM)
IB seems to be the best, but the USD10 a month inactive fee seems abit irritating, since i can only deposit a max of 25k usd.

=(
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Depends on activity too ... if you have trades monthly then those will be offset from the inactivity fee iirc
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USD10/month is not much.
Negligible
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Hi guys. When you fund IB for example, does the currency exchange to USD take place at your transferring bank?
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QUOTE(MunDsuM @ Oct 12 2016, 12:34 AM)
Hi guys. When you fund IB for example, does the currency exchange to USD take place at your transferring bank?
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Indeed

If you have a USD account in Malaysia that's more convenient - of course you need to exchange to fund that account sometime also.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Oct 12 2016, 02:30 AM)
Indeed

If you have a USD account in Malaysia that's more convenient - of course you need to exchange to fund that account sometime also.
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If u have USD based currency account at MY bank, can u TT the USD directly from ur USD based currency account to IB?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 12 2016, 07:40 AM)
If u have USD based currency account at MY bank, can u TT the USD directly from ur USD based currency account to IB?
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Yup
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i have email and ask TDAA about require amount to open account...
here the reply by TDAA.

help@tdameritradeasia.com
Oct 22 (2 days ago)

to me
Hello,

It is USD 3,500. Let us know if you have any questions or concerns.

Kind Regards,

Melvin Ho
Manager, Trade Desk

well, unfortunaly...i cant open with them yet..dont have the capital yet...
i also found Firstrade this broker....anyone using this broker ?
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QUOTE(hiung258 @ Oct 24 2016, 02:54 PM)
i have email and ask TDAA about require amount to open account...
here the reply by TDAA.

help@tdameritradeasia.com
Oct 22 (2 days ago)

to me
Hello,

It is USD 3,500. Let us know if you have any questions or concerns.

Kind Regards,

Melvin Ho
Manager, Trade Desk

well, unfortunaly...i cant open with them yet..dont have the capital yet...
i also found Firstrade this broker....anyone using this broker ?
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What is ur budget bro?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 24 2016, 07:25 PM)
What is ur budget bro?
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500 to 1000 usd i guess...i also got reply by firstrade...they dun accept malaysia client sad.gif


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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 28 2016, 11:24 PM)
in English, again...
US exchanges minimum stock buy/sell = 1 unit of stock
One
Satu

Min cost = 1 * the price U bid for the ETF lor

how much simpler to translate 1 unit of stock = minimum ar?
no such kaka as top up lar dei - buy or sell, minimum = 1 unit of stock
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Wow I thought it's like FSM where we will need min RM1k to buy. From what I understand TD Ameritrade Asia have lesser commision free ETF compare to their US counter parts.

What's your opinion about optionsXpress as a broker. It's quite popular among Singaporeans.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:39 PM)
Wow I thought it's like FSM where we will need min RM1k to buy. From what I understand TD Ameritrade Asia have lesser commision free ETF compare to their US counter parts.

What's your opinion about optionsXpress as a broker. It's quite popular among Singaporeans.
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OX? ok & simple for newbies
BUT... them management / suits now banyak atas.

Any accounts less than $10K value / cash (that's USD) gets a nice little email to have at least that.. or else..
and i've been with them since 2013 + traded a heckuva lot (imagine commissions pa hitting 4 figures).

My stash/value went down coz i ported some $ to TDAA - still wanted to do OX for certain stuff since my rates were slightly better with OX for bulk trades... and they gave me the "warning letter"... ok, bye! rclxs0.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 28 2016, 10:48 AM)
er.. from your link shared
"... IB does not withhold taxes on proceeds from security sales. We are required by US tax law, for example, to withhold US taxes on dividends paid by US corporations to foreign persons at a rate of 30%.."

IF U are a Malaysian:
I'm just pointing out the normal withholding tax of 30% on DIVIDENDS.
just be careful bro - if you filled the "Form W-8BEN" for IB (in reality for IRS) "wrongly", U may get a surprise.

+ i don't think it has relations to "..I guess I just have to undeclare any profits or never withdrawal from my IB".

be safe - everything is getting more automated/electronics/data driven these days, thus much much easier to filter & zoom in by big brother.
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What surprised is that? Please share. notworthy.gif
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What surprised is that? Please share.  notworthy.gif
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eh - Uni student. U really need me to "draw out colon" (literal Cantonese translation) ar?
poh poh.. ardi su te..
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:39 PM)
Wow I thought it's like FSM where we will need min RM1k to buy. From what I understand TD Ameritrade Asia have lesser commision free ETF compare to their US counter parts.

What's your opinion about optionsXpress as a broker. It's quite popular among Singaporeans.
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Last time I checked I didn't see any commission free ETFs at all in TDAM Asia, I'll check again next time I log in.

But yeah you can just buy 1 stock / ETF. The commission free ETFs Maden TDAM great for buy and hold!

Again for longer term stuff (which is all I have at the moment) I've gone with the Ireland domiciled equivalents which aren't traded on the USA exchanges (avoids half of the 30% Witholding tax on dividends!)
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QUOTE(hiung258 @ Oct 26 2016, 10:42 AM)
500 to 1000 usd i guess...i also got reply by firstrade...they dun accept malaysia client sad.gif
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I think 500-1000 USD probably isn't worth it to be honest

You need to consider the fees for depositing funds etc too - if you were to deposit $10,000 or $500 your TT charges will be about the same, eating up either 0.5% or 10%!
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Oct 29 2016, 09:41 AM)
Last time I checked I didn't see any commission free ETFs at all in TDAM Asia, I'll check again next time I log in.

But yeah you can just buy 1 stock / ETF. The commission free ETFs Maden TDAM great for buy and hold!

Again for longer term stuff (which is all I have at the moment) I've gone with the Ireland domiciled equivalents which aren't traded on the USA exchanges (avoids half of the 30% Witholding tax on dividends!)
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Care to share the link of that Ireland broker?
Also, does it have more or less the same selection as TDAM or better?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 29 2016, 09:48 AM)
Care to share the link of that Ireland broker?
Also, does it have more or less the same selection as TDAM or better?
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I meant Ireland domiciled ETFs, I trade them though Interactive Brokers - not a broker in Ireland. They're traded on different exchanges ( i.e. LSE) which Interactive Brokers has, but TDAM / Asia doesn't.

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Oct 29 2016, 01:26 PM)
I meant Ireland domiciled ETFs, I trade them though Interactive Brokers - not a broker in Ireland. They're traded on different exchanges ( i.e. LSE) which Interactive Brokers has, but TDAM / Asia doesn't.
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To maximise profit and for holding long term say at least 5 years, do you recommend US based/Ireland based ETF?

Also what's your opinion about optionsXpress as a broker. It's quite popular among Singaporeans vs TD Ameritrade Asia in terms of cost savings.

Also, you mentioned
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I think 500-1000 USD probably isn't worth it to be honest

You need to consider the fees for depositing funds etc too - if you were to deposit $10,000 or $500 your TT charges will be about the same, eating up either 0.5% or 10%!

So if I am buying ETF for long term holding, I need >USD10k for it to be worth it?

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 29 2016, 12:36 AM)
eh - Uni student. U really need me to "draw out colon" (literal Cantonese translation) ar?
poh poh.. ardi su te..
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Er, cannot understand cantonese.

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Oct 29 2016, 09:45 AM)
I think 500-1000 USD probably isn't worth it to be honest

You need to consider the fees for depositing funds etc too - if you were to deposit $10,000 or $500 your TT charges will be about the same, eating up either 0.5% or 10%!
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Ouch ... mean I have long way to put my feet into US market then...thanks for your information smile.gif
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QUOTE(hiung258 @ Oct 29 2016, 02:06 PM)
Ouch ... mean I have long way to put my feet into US market  then...thanks for your information  smile.gif
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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 29 2016, 02:36 PM)
u can start small
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Will do ... but still need 3500usd to open Td Ameritrade Asia account ...
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Not necessary must use TD.
Try other broker
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hi,

Concerning the Ireland domiciled ETFs that traded at LSE,
anyone here use local brokerage's foreign stock account to buy?

I am thinking of bogleheads stye investing practice via the accumulated ETFs there (accumulated ETF means no dividend distribution).

I think this save me hassle of open non-malaysian account, USD TT.
As the only "cost" I see is on the one time purchase/sale charge on brokerage fee/stamp duty/currency rate,
but it is conveniently just paid from my existing MYR account in my local brokerage (only problem is cannot offset purchase/sale contract).

thanks for any feedback.

p.s one side note that I realise on US domiciled account is that we cant run away from US estate tax if amount is larger than USD60K (I am small fish but for anyone with long term plan there)

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Can't advise on local brokerages as I have no experience in using those.

Regarding the estate tax if you were to pass away that's true - however in the case of Ireland domiciled ETFs those wouldn't count towards that amount as those assets aren't cosnidered US domiciled

A US domiciled ETF for example or cash inside your US broker would be.
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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 29 2016, 09:07 PM)
Not necessary must use TD.
Try other broker
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Do u have any recommended US broker that still accept malaysia client ?
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For those worrying (maybe just me) about IRS' estate tax on NRA's "amount >USD60K"
Bolded = my highlighting of what i think is pertinent to IRS' categorised as NRAs (non-resident aliens), like me,.

Just to share on TDAmeritrade Asia (ie. SG) response on estate taxes (ie when i die, my assets with TDAA macam mana)
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TD Ameritrade Asia Pte. Ltd. is registered with ACRA in Singapore and our accounts are considered as domiliced in Singapore. The assets in an account will be distributed in accordance with Probate after receipt of all required information. We are however not tax professionals and hence cannot confirm if US Estate Taxes will or will not apply to any single individual. Please consult a professional tax advisor on whether US Estate Tax applies to your personal tax profile.

Any Estate Tax payable in Singapore is a matter between the Estate and the IRAS. The following link may be of some assistance with respect to IRAS Estate Tax https://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/Other-Taxe...ty/Estate-Duty/ however, we strongly recommend that you speak with your professional tax advisor to ensure you are fully informed.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 9 2016, 10:12 AM)
For those worrying (maybe just me) about IRS' estate tax on NRA's "amount >USD60K"
Bolded = my highlighting of what i think is pertinent to IRS' categorised as NRAs (non-resident aliens), like me,.

Just to share on TDAmeritrade Asia (ie. SG) response on estate taxes (ie when i die, my assets with TDAA macam mana)
"
TD Ameritrade Asia Pte. Ltd. is registered with ACRA in Singapore and our accounts are considered as domiliced in Singapore. The assets in an account will be distributed in accordance with Probate after receipt of all required information. We are however not tax professionals and hence cannot confirm if US Estate Taxes will or will not apply to any single individual. Please consult a professional tax advisor on whether US Estate Tax applies to your personal tax profile.

Any Estate Tax payable in Singapore is a matter between the Estate and the IRAS. The following link may be of some assistance with respect to IRAS Estate Tax https://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/Other-Taxe...ty/Estate-Duty/ however, we strongly recommend that you speak with your professional tax advisor to ensure you are fully informed.
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thanks for the effort, sound like they never handle such real scenario before...
to me, if the asset is regulated/protected by country A then it's considered tax-treated as in country A. (just my no-basis assumption...)

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QUOTE(asimov82 @ Nov 10 2016, 12:02 PM)
thanks for the effort, sound like they never handle such real scenario before...
to me, if the asset is regulated/protected by country A then it's considered tax-treated as in country A. (just my no-basis assumption...)
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Compared to the response from OX (OptionsXpress) SG - it was incredibly much clearer + more "action-able".

OX just responded that they aren't tax blah blah and to consult my own tax expert blah blah
alo - in Malaysia la, i did check lar - and unless my pockets are real deep...
BTW - i did poke US' IRS too via email heheh - same kaka, they asked me to contact on of the listed tax accredited advisers blah blah..

if i had millions of USD in US ok lar tapi... more than $60K, less than worthwhile to do the above..
the feeling of being between a rock & a hard place / devil & deep blue sea cry.gif

AND have to worry about it coz my sis & my investments - if i solo, ok lar my own problem... but my sis piggy back on my trades & investments..

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 10 2016, 03:49 PM)
Compared to the response from OX (OptionsXpress) SG - it was incredibly much clearer + more "action-able".

OX just responded that they aren't tax blah blah and to consult my own tax expert blah blah
alo - in Malaysia la, i did check lar - and unless my pockets are real deep...
BTW - i did poke US' IRS too via email heheh - same kaka, they asked me to contact on of the listed tax accredited advisers blah blah..

if i had millions of USD in US ok lar tapi... more than $60K, less than worthwhile to do the above.. 
the feeling of being between a rock & a hard place / devil & deep blue sea cry.gif

AND have to worry about it coz my sis & my investments - if i solo, ok lar my own problem... but my sis piggy back on my trades & investments..
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Maybe Hansel can help you.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 10 2016, 03:49 PM)
Compared to the response from OX (OptionsXpress) SG - it was incredibly much clearer + more "action-able".

OX just responded that they aren't tax blah blah and to consult my own tax expert blah blah
alo - in Malaysia la, i did check lar - and unless my pockets are real deep...
BTW - i did poke US' IRS too via email heheh - same kaka, they asked me to contact on of the listed tax accredited advisers blah blah..

if i had millions of USD in US ok lar tapi... more than $60K, less than worthwhile to do the above..  
the feeling of being between a rock & a hard place / devil & deep blue sea cry.gif

AND have to worry about it coz my sis & my investments - if i solo, ok lar my own problem... but my sis piggy back on my trades & investments..
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For larger amounts have you looked at buying non-USD domiciled ETFs? Not for actively traded ones.

Example is Vanguard VUSD traded in USD on the LSE. Ireland domiciled for holding US assets (SP 500 fracker)

That way it's more efficient in regards to the withholding tax too. They're traded less so the liquidity isn't as good, but for long term holding and just topping up that shouldn't be much of a concern.

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 10 2016, 08:12 PM)
For larger amounts have you looked at buying non-USD domiciled ETFs? Not for actively traded ones.

Example is Vanguard VUSD traded in USD on the LSE. Ireland domiciled for holding US assets (SP 500 fracker)

That way it's more efficient in regards to the withholding tax too. They're traded less so the liquidity isn't as good, but for long term holding and just topping up that shouldn't be much of a concern.
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Thank U for the alternative idea

hm.. just did a quick check - VUSD has no options on, doesn't fit my "combined arms" approach for US exchanges, although it is more tax efficient & has that non-US domiciled thing smile.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 10 2016, 09:47 PM)
Thank U for the alternative idea

hm.. just did a quick check - VUSD has no options on, doesn't fit my "combined arms" approach for US exchanges, although it is more tax efficient & has that non-US domiciled thing smile.gif
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Ah yes these don't have options and aren't traded on US exchanges

But they do the job for boring buy and hold smile.gif

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Oct 29 2016, 09:45 AM)
I think 500-1000 USD probably isn't worth it to be honest

You need to consider the fees for depositing funds etc too - if you were to deposit $10,000 or $500 your TT charges will be about the same, eating up either 0.5% or 10%!
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So if I am buying ETF for long term holding, I need >USD10k for it to be worth it?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 10 2016, 10:40 PM)
So if I am buying ETF for long term holding, I need >USD10k for it to be worth it?
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simple concept:
1. TT charges to US brokerages is about USD20 per transaction

2. Thus, if U transfer USD500 that's 20/500 = 4% just for TT charges by US brokerage firm (excluding cost of MY bank doing TT)
VS USD5000 = 20/5000 = 0.4%
This is only the FUNDING part, excludes commissions & fees when buying/selling

3. Thus, who said doing ETFs for long term holding need >USD10K ar?
Jumping through a lot of conclusions?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 10 2016, 11:57 PM)
simple concept:
1. TT charges to US brokerages is about USD20 per transaction

2. Thus, if U transfer USD500 that's 20/500 = 4% just for TT charges by US brokerage firm (excluding cost of MY bank doing TT)
VS USD5000 = 20/5000 = 0.4%
This is only the FUNDING part, excludes commissions & fees when buying/selling

3. Thus, who said doing ETFs for long term holding need >USD10K ar?
Jumping through a lot of conclusions?
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USD10k is just a thought. I don't know how much is the min to make it worth it.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 10 2016, 11:57 PM)
simple concept:
1. TT charges to US brokerages is about USD20 per transaction

2. Thus, if U transfer USD500 that's 20/500 = 4% just for TT charges by US brokerage firm (excluding cost of MY bank doing TT)
VS USD5000 = 20/5000 = 0.4%
This is only the FUNDING part, excludes commissions & fees when buying/selling

3. Thus, who said doing ETFs for long term holding need >USD10K ar?
Jumping through a lot of conclusions?
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Normally even more than $20 when you take into the account the charge at the receiving side too!

I don't think any amount is too small to start - but the numbers don't make sense if you're only funding with $500 or so each time due to the charges. With brokers like IB once you have the account open you can also fund internationally, like local deposit from a Singapore account which doesn't cost anything.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 10 2016, 11:59 PM)
USD10k is just a thought. I don't know how much is the min to make it worth it.
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You can come up with a plan - how much you plan to invest, how often you plan to deposit

Then spend an hour and work out 2-3 or whatever different scenarios to see what the difference is. Foreign brokers have higher minimums and more expenses for transferring funds - but much cheaper trading charges, less spread on foreign exchange, and the ETFs tend to have much lower annual fees than your UT equivalents.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 11 2016, 02:50 AM)
You can come up with a plan - how much you plan to invest, how often you plan to deposit

Then spend an hour and work out 2-3 or whatever different scenarios to see what the difference is. Foreign brokers have higher minimums and more expenses for transferring funds - but much cheaper trading charges, less spread on foreign exchange, and the ETFs tend to have much lower annual fees than your UT equivalents.
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I am not looking for cheao trading charges. I am looking at long term of buy and hold (>10 years)

QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 11 2016, 02:47 AM)
Normally even more than $20 when you take into the account the charge at the receiving side too!

I don't think any amount is too small to start - but the numbers don't make sense if you're only funding with $500 or so each time due to the charges. With brokers like IB once you have the account open you can also fund internationally, like local deposit from a Singapore account which doesn't cost anything.
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Looks like ETF is expensive for the average person like me. sad.gif About the 30% tax by US, does that mean for all dividend gain, I will be taxed 30% of that amount?

Also, you mentioned about Ireland domiciled ETFs. Are those ETFs invested in the US stocks but based in Ireland?

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ireland got tax treaty with us, so
dividend => (-15%) => etf => we

if us-domiciled,
dividend => (-30%) => etf => we

we need to calculate the "effective rate" in term of sum of annual expense ratio plus this div tax, for the actual number of "annual holding cost"..

other than that, come the "fund transfer cost" and "transaction cost"...

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I have been reading those last few pages (about 5-7). It looks like IB is the way to go. Regarding the min usd100k, does that take into account your total amount in the ETFs or just how much you have in your funding account?

Also, are those Ireland domicile ETF a mirror image of say Vanguard Total Stock Market or are those Ireland domicile ETF based on companies in Ireland only?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 13 2016, 05:19 AM)
I have been reading those last few pages (about 5-7). It looks like IB is the way to go. Regarding the min usd100k, does that take into account your total amount in the ETFs or just how much you have in your funding account?

Also, are those Ireland domicile ETF a mirror image of say Vanguard Total Stock Market or are those Ireland domicile ETF based on companies in Ireland only?
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Funding in your account .

Ireland domiciled ETFs hold different assets - you can take a look here : https://www.vanguard.co.uk/uk/portal/invest...ts/all-products
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 13 2016, 05:19 AM)
I have been reading those last few pages (about 5-7). It looks like IB is the way to go. Regarding the min usd100k, does that take into account your total amount in the ETFs or just how much you have in your funding account?

Also, are those Ireland domicile ETF a mirror image of say Vanguard Total Stock Market or are those Ireland domicile ETF based on companies in Ireland only?
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Its 10k usd not 100k
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 13 2016, 09:01 AM)
Its 10k usd not 100k
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I was refering to the min amount so that they will waive the inactivity fees.
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I was refering to the min amount so that they will waive the inactivity fees.
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for IB, min deposit/holdings is $100k if u want fee waiver.

if not, min is $10k; $10pm charge but waived if trading charges can cover.

there is no escape for tax on dividends on any stock or etf, whether IB or any borker - it is a US tax law on all.

us residents even have to pay capital gains tax.

if u wish to avoid the $10 pm, only want to hold long term, u can always buy with local brokers. save that, save TT charges but pay much higher brokerage fee every time u buy or sell.



IB is a good one to have overall, esp for trading and regular buy/sell.

it is secure, efficient and cheaper than most if not all.

the thing is i am quite sure it is difficult to open with them now.

not becos they don't accept but more like local banks will not want to approve yr TT for the startup.

some people here already reported banks not approving some months ago.

given events last fri, it will be even more so.

but will have to read of a new experience by someone if he post it here soon.




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What would be the reason for local banks refusing TT's ? Is there a law against this ?
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What would be the reason for local banks refusing TT's ? Is there a law against this ?
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remember RM is not an internationalized currency, traded only in Malaysia.
BNM still have a ton of rules on FX and money transfers.

go back 2 years, it was not a problem when i did mine.

what i remember... starting a year ago, some people reported banks rejecting them, BNM requires a form to be filled up and "investment" is not accepted. biz payment, education fees with doc backups should be OK, i would think. (dunno if "donation" will be approved. tongue.gif )

last fri, RM fell drastically. BNM imposed new rules.
what happens next, we don't know yet.
will have to see next week what FM/BNM do or don't do.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-emerging...SKBN1360AZ?il=0
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/m...overnight-rates
http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_pres...ac=3513&lang=en

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 13 2016, 10:37 AM)
for IB, min deposit/holdings is $100k if u want fee waiver.

if not, min is $10k; $10pm charge but waived if trading charges can cover.

there is no escape for tax on dividends on any stock or etf, whether IB or any borker - it is a US tax law on all.

us residents even have to pay capital gains tax.

if u wish to avoid the $10 pm, only want to hold long term, u can always buy with local brokers. save that, save TT charges but pay much higher brokerage fee every time u buy or sell.
IB is a good one to have overall, esp for trading and regular buy/sell.

it is secure, efficient and cheaper than most if not all.

the thing is i am quite sure it is difficult to open with them now.

not becos they don't accept but more like local banks will not want to approve yr TT for the startup.

some people here already reported banks not approving some months ago.


given events last fri, it will be even more so.

but will have to read of a new experience by someone if he post it here soon.
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Well I am planning to buy Ireland Domiciled ETF and just hold it. Not going to do that. (buy from local broker when you can save cost)

It's ok. Money will not be funded by RM but SGD as I am going to open one SG account next year. But for now ETF is still out of my reached as it's too expensive. Can't just cough up USD10k. but I have to act fast as Hansel said doors are closing.


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Just wait few months. When condition recover, faster "exit" before capital control is imposed some more.

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few months ago, I bough an etf (xlv) in usd using Sg Std Ctd trading acc. Min unit was 1 unit. and it was less than USD10K.

why do I have to use / open other brokerage acc when I can buy via Sg Std Ctd trading acc?

can anyone enlighten me on this ? what is d pro and con using the existing Sg Std Ctd trading acc I m having now.

btw, I m not a regular buyer for us shares / us etf. I m only active with Sg reits.

should I require to open another new trading acc like IB or OptionExpress ? btw I m a Malaysian without Sg working permit.

I also intend to keep etf for long term. kindly advise newbie like me

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 2 2014, 11:36 PM)
My long term portfolio isn't very exciting  :

25% Bonds (BND/WIP)
35% US
20% Europe Developed (VGK)
10% Emerging Markets (VWO)
5% each Gold / REITS

Have some other temporary positions outside of that, but not long term or part of above allocation : EWZ, RSX, SPY, VGK, XLV

UK listed : UKDV, IUKD for some dividend income and as I have spare GBP earning 0% interest (no withholding tax smile.gif)
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Mind share your latest portfolio ? I browsed through etfdb website but too many choices of etf till dont knw what to pick.

Thanks newbies
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 13 2016, 02:35 PM)
few months ago, I bough an etf (xlv) in usd using Sg Std Ctd trading acc. Min unit was 1 unit. and it was less than USD10K.

why do I have to use / open other brokerage acc when I can buy via Sg Std Ctd trading acc?

can anyone enlighten me on this ? what is d pro and con using the existing Sg Std Ctd trading acc I m having now.

btw, I m not a regular buyer for us shares / us etf. I m only active with Sg reits.

should I require to open another new trading acc like IB or OptionExpress ? btw I m a Malaysian without Sg working permit.

I also intend to keep etf for long term. kindly advise newbie like me
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What u hv suits u - u buy sgx as well as us equities, not huge sums, not trading much.

If u focus on usa, bigger sums and trade a lot, better get a foreign broker - much much cheaper in the long run.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 1 2015, 10:30 PM)

i got into spy (s&p500), xle (energy), oih (oilfield services) and qqq (nasdaq/tech).

being new in this, i do not really know what surprises may come except the volatility i noticed. i just thought at this time with rm looking to get weaker and local economy being stressed and tested seriously; us economy looking strong, usd getting stronger; oil prices "near bottom" - ingredients are there to put some money. i may get a rude shock, of course.

to others who have been in it longer, i like to ask:

.. to get lower brokerage fees, are there reputable local outfits dealing in rm-usd? or must go overseas to set up usd acc.?
.. dividends - understand there is 30% tax; for etfs, do they always offer reinvestment for every dividend payout?
.. in the event gomen put capital controls like in 1998, what happens to these etfs held in trust by by local ib nominee?

thanks for sharing. i m sure many more are keen on us etf's at this time.
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What acc are u using to trade US etf ?

I m not a regular US shares trader. What would u suggest?

Currently I m using SG Std Ctd trading acc to trade Sg reits only.

Have u sign up TDAmeritrade Asia ?
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What u hv suits u - u buy sgx as well as us equities, not huge sums, not trading much.

If u focus on usa, bigger sums and trade a lot, better get a foreign broker - much much cheaper in the long run.
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I wan to build my savings in us etf. That s y it s crucial to have a acc which muh cheaper in long term run.
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Boss

I wan to build my savings in us etf. That s y it s crucial to have a acc which muh cheaper in long term run.
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People invest in ETF because it's cheaper than UT in the long run.

However for those who have no money, ETFS are out of reach. sad.gif
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Just done some read up on TD Ameritrade Asia

Minimum investment USD3500

Low-cost commissions : Trade stocks and ETFs on the U.S. markets for just USD$10.65 flat per trade. (abt SGD15)

No subscription or platform fees

Anyone know abt Dividend Reinvestment Plan for this acc?

Stocks—USD$0.016 per share subject to a commission minimum of USD$5.35 and maximum of USD$10.65
=> meaning how much ?

If i buy 100 units : 0.016 x 100 (min USD5.35) ?

I m using a normal laptop. Can support d platform?

What else important point I left out ?
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People invest in ETF because it's cheaper than UT in the long run.

However for those who have no money, ETFS are out of reach. sad.gif
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Perhaps you switch some of your FD into here.

What say u ? I might let go some Asx.
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I wan to build my savings in us etf. That s y it s crucial to have a acc which muh cheaper in long term run.
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Read the terms n conditions for tda n ib, check their websites.

Pay attention to min deposit, brokerages and min monthly charge.

If u hv too small an amount and not trade much, its not worth the trouble, better stick to what u hv.

When u hv, say usd25k to start with or want to trade foreign markets, then it is time.

Anyway, given last fri events, i would think its much harder now to tt money to foreign brokers for investment n stocks trading.

Will have to wait for the typhoon to blow over.

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Read the terms n conditions for tda n ib, check their websites.

Pay attention to min deposit, brokerages and min monthly charge.

If u hv too small an amount and not trade much, its not worth the trouble, better stick to what u hv.

When u hv, say usd20k to start with or want to trade foreign markets, then it is time.

Anyway, given last fri events, i would think its much harder now to tt money to foreign brokers for investment n stocks trading.

Will have to wait for the typhoon to blow over.
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TD Ameritrade Asia - min usd3500

But i got to email enquiring on any monthly charges due to inactivity.

I wan to start small with something new. Cannot simply throw much.limited bullet and got typhoon blowing over now.

So, are u still stick to local brokerage ? Or u have started with TD Ameritrade Asia?
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 13 2016, 05:40 PM)
TD Ameritrade Asia - min usd3500

But i got to email enquiring on any monthly charges due to inactivity.

I wan to start small with something new. Cannot simply throw much.limited bullet and got typhoon blowing over now.

So, are u still stick to local brokerage ? Or u have started with TD Ameritrade Asia?
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why TD?
there plenty of low deposit broker out there to choose frm
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 13 2016, 05:29 PM)
Perhaps you switch some of your FD into here.

What say u ? I might let go some Asx.
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Already thinking. I think will remove half of it and park in SG. From there allocate small amount to SG UT. There are a few I am looking at.

Then maybe every month set aside 50% of my future salary for Singapore. First thing first, must get a Singapore account.

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 13 2016, 05:33 PM)
Anyway, given last fri events, i would think its much harder now to tt money to foreign brokers for investment n stocks trading.

Will have to wait for the typhoon to blow over.
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Fully agree. Wait for capital control to be lifted. Can be few months. Btw. It's good to convert MYR > USD while the control is in place as we will be getting more USD right? If control is not in place, we will get less USD. What's says you?

QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 13 2016, 05:40 PM)
TD Ameritrade Asia - min usd3500

But i got to email enquiring on any monthly charges due to inactivity.

I wan to start small with something new. Cannot simply throw much.limited bullet and got typhoon blowing over now.

So, are u still stick to local brokerage ? Or u have started with TD Ameritrade Asia?
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I am looking at IB. Why? USD120 = RM540 is still cheap considering that Maybank 2 Cards Premier is still more expensive than that. Don't know. Plus funding from Singapore will bring down the cost significantly. Well we will see...
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 13 2016, 04:49 PM)
Boss

Mind share your latest portfolio ? I browsed through etfdb website but too many choices of etf till dont knw what to pick.

Thanks newbies
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Yeah there's a lot out there to choose from.

I haven't touched anything for quite long as been very busy with work - currently it's a mixture of the below :

VUSD
VEUR
VHYL
VFEM
VAPX

These are all Vanguard ETFs but Ireland domiciled.

I don't currently hold any REITs or gold. Still have some in BND through TD Ameritrade

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Anyone using OptionXpress?

Min usd2k

How long to withdraw money ? Any hidden cost ?

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why TD?
there plenty of low deposit broker out there to choose frm
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What would u suggest

I m new. Not sure which one is cheap.

What are u using now
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What would u suggest

I m new. Not sure which one is cheap.

What are u using now
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Based on this blog, I think IB is the cheapest.
http://www.dividendgrowthinvestor.com/2015...estors.html?m=1
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IB is for sure the cheapest overall from commissions to foreign exchange spread and margin rates - but they're not a "low deposit" broker - you need to start with initial funding of $10,000.

Also no issues on large withdrawals - only time had a slight delay was when hitting the $600K over 5 business days limit (not on my personal account unfortunately!)
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 13 2016, 06:32 PM)
Based on this blog, I think IB is the cheapest.
http://www.dividendgrowthinvestor.com/2015...estors.html?m=1
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Need funding of usd10k. A big pinch for me. Hmmmm.

Can i withdraw after i put in ? Easy to withdraw ?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 13 2016, 06:32 PM)
Based on this blog, I think IB is the cheapest.
http://www.dividendgrowthinvestor.com/2015...estors.html?m=1
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do u plan to open acc with IB ? usd10k ard myr45k. hmm... I might not consider.

will try to consider others or maybe I stick to Sg std ctd.

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I find this website is very informative.

for reading pleasure. http://etfdb.com/dividend-etf/

dividend etf => http://etfdb.com/dividend-etf/ (Ramjade's favourite)

how to tag someone ??

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What s d difference if buy spy:us and spy:sg?

I see d price is different as at today. Ome went up and one went down.

Would it be ok if i buy the one listed in Singapore ?
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What s d difference if buy spy:us and spy:sg?

I see d price is different as at today. Ome went up and one went down.

Would it be ok if i buy the one listed in Singapore ?
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SPY (100% tied to S&P500) is the largest ETF in the world, listed in many other stock exchanges besides NYSE.

what u see in SGX now is the price traded in singapore and other open exchanges.

it is what is commonly called "futures":
http://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures

currently, the futures are all up, but who knows what happens when NYSE opens tonight?

u can buy/sell in any exchange but u cannot buy in one exchange and sell in the other.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 14 2016, 11:41 AM)
SPY (100% tied to S&P500) is the largest ETF in the world, listed in many other stock exchanges besides NYSE.

what u see in SGX now is the price traded in singapore and other open exchanges.

it is what is commonly called "futures":
http://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures

currently, the futures are all up, but who knows what happens when NYSE opens tonight?

u can buy/sell in any exchange but u cannot buy in one exchange and sell in the other.
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noted boss.

currenly I m still browsing which brokerage acc to sign up.

IB is good but I don't trade US stocks / etf so regular due to lack of bullets. most of time I buy Sg reits.

Ramjade has suggested a website with comments.

I prefer a reliable one, an easy to cash out.

any suggestion ? OptionXpress ?
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 14 2016, 06:52 PM)
noted boss.

currenly I m still browsing which brokerage acc to sign up.

IB is good but I don't trade US stocks / etf so regular due to lack of bullets. most of time I buy Sg reits.

Ramjade has suggested a website with comments.

I prefer a reliable one, an easy to cash out.

any suggestion ? OptionXpress ?
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sorry, but i have no experience with any foreign broker except IB.

larger, more reputable brokers tend to pose less problems with funds in/out, i would think.


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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 14 2016, 06:52 PM)
noted boss.

currenly I m still browsing which brokerage acc to sign up.

IB is good but I don't trade US stocks / etf so regular due to lack of bullets. most of time I buy Sg reits.

Ramjade has suggested a website with comments.

I prefer a reliable one, an easy to cash out.

any suggestion ? OptionXpress ?
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Sifu wongmunkeong said no good. Don't know why. He didn't go into details.

Care to share again why OptionXpress is bad?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 14 2016, 06:55 PM)
sorry, but i have no experience with any foreign broker except IB.

larger, more reputable brokers tend to pose less problems with funds in/out, i would think.
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for IB, min initial amount is usd10k. after that, can I cash out then ? or must maintain average daily balance of usd10k at all time ?
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for IB, min initial amount is usd10k. after that, can I cash out then ? or must maintain average daily balance of usd10k at all time ?
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min 10k at all times.

if below, u will be asked to top up, failing which account will be closed.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 14 2016, 07:05 PM)
min 10k at all times.

if below, u will be asked to top up, failing which account will be closed.
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oic.

then IB is out from my list.

will consider others like OptionXpress or TD Ameritrade Asia for a start.
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Just checked with TD Ameritrade Asia, inital amt is usd3500 but no need maintain this amt at all time.
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Just checked with TD Ameritrade Asia, inital amt is usd3500 but no need maintain this amt at all time.
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They don't have ireland based ETF which means you will kena the 30% tax.
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They don't have ireland based ETF which means you will kena the 30% tax.
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its okay. I keep them as growth stocks.

what other option do I have ?
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its okay. I keep them as growth stocks.

what other option do I have ?
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Look for one which give you access to London Stock Exchange
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Look for one which give you access to London Stock Exchange
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TD Ameritrade Asia doesn't not have access to LSE ?
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TDAM only has access to US exchanges I believe.
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anyone have idea how much roughly if I wire money from Sg to US ?
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Ramjade,

TD Ameritrade Asia doesn't not have access to LSE ?
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See this
https://the-international-investor.com/comp...ne-stockbrokers
https://the-international-investor.com/inte...ock-broker-list

From that list, the only choice you have are TD Direct Investing (Luxembourg), IB, Saxo, Not sure if the US stock based broker accept foreign customer or not. Also not sure if this TD Direct Investing (Luxembourg) will let you open or they will force you to open a Asia account.

Those with international account = no need to convert SGD is IB and TD Direct Investing (Luxembourg)

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what brokerage are u using ?
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boss,

what brokerage are u using ?
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He already mentioned few pages back, TD Ameritrade for the tools, IB for the funds.
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boss,

what brokerage are u using ?
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Currently I only trade on IB.

I used TDAM before (US) for the commission free ETFs then had those holdings moved to TDAM Asia when they were migrating accounts.


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Currently I only trade on IB.

I used TDAM before (US) for the commission free ETFs then had those holdings moved to TDAM Asia when they were migrating accounts.
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Any recommendation for commission free ETFs platform ?

My initial investment amount preferably is less than usd4k.

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Any recommendation for commission free ETFs platform ?
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The asian version apparently was stripped down compare to the US version. Not sure about the Luxembourg version.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 15 2016, 10:45 PM)
The asian version apparently was stripped down compare to the US version. Not sure about the Luxembourg version.
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I did open a TD Luxembourg account before without researching properly and the fees are high, no real benefits I can think of at all.

I don't think they have any commission free ETFs - that was only in US and as posted before, this was removed when the platform changed to TDAM Asia.

Can't really recommend any others - aside from TD the only other platform I use and have signed up for is IB.
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QUOTE(AhGoo @ Nov 16 2016, 03:35 PM)
ASHR, DXJ, EEMV, FEMDX, IYW, MDY, VWO, XLY
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ASHR, DXJ, EEMV, FEMDX, IYW, MDY, VWO, XLY
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mind to explain why pick these etfs??

look like exposure to japan, china, em, us tech, us mid, xly??
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anyone have idea how much roughly if I wire money from Sg to US ?
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want to know as well,
for TD and IB, is it cheaper to send from SG than MY??

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want to know as well,
for TD and IB, is it cheaper to send from SG than MY??
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For IB, SG la of course. Funding is practically free as you can send in SGD. Then use their exchange to convert to other currency. People say their currency changer is cheaper than banks.

I believed for TD, you will need to send in USD and some bank in Singapore like DBS let you deposit in USD notes. So it shouldn't be that expensive.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 17 2016, 08:47 AM)
For IB, SG la of course.  Funding is practically free as you can send in SGD. Then use their exchange to convert to other currency. People say their currency changer is cheaper than banks.

I believed for TD, you will need to send in USD and some bank in Singapore like DBS let you deposit in USD notes. So it shouldn't be that expensive.
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FYI - TDAA takes SGD from SGD banks
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 17 2016, 08:47 AM)
For IB, SG la of course.  Funding is practically free as you can send in SGD. Then use their exchange to convert to other currency. People say their currency changer is cheaper than banks.

I believed for TD, you will need to send in USD and some bank in Singapore like DBS let you deposit in USD notes. So it shouldn't be that expensive.
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thanks, even having SG bank with USD account, still need to TT to TD? seem to be costly for small amount.

btw, opening the IB account is domiciled in SG?

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FYI - TDAA takes SGD from SGD banks
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thanks, even having SG bank with USD account, still need to TT to TD? seem to be costly for small amount.

btw, opening the IB account is domiciled in SG?
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See the above. IB is based in US
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FYI - TDAA takes SGD from SGD banks
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so practically I can access us stock without USD TT charge??

MYR account <bank transfer> SGD account <bank deposit/withdraw> IB/TDAA in SGD <convert> IB/TDAA in USD <buy/sell> us stock?


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:39 PM)
Wow I thought it's like FSM where we will need min RM1k to buy. From what I understand TD Ameritrade Asia have lesser commision free ETF compare to their US counter parts.

What's your opinion about optionsXpress as a broker. It's quite popular among Singaporeans.
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Commission for optionX is abt usd15 (units less than 1000)

That s y I wan think twice. Whereas TDA is usd10.65 per trade flat.
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btw, opening the IB account is domiciled in SG?
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IB, for this part of the world:

.. admin is done from Hong Kong.
.. funds transfer is with New York bank.




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See the above. IB is based in US
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i'm lost or U lost?

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QUOTE(asimov82 @ Nov 17 2016, 09:10 AM)
so practically I can access us stock without USD TT charge??

MYR account <bank transfer> SGD account <bank deposit/withdraw> IB/TDAA in SGD <convert> IB/TDAA in USD <buy/sell> us stock?
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TDAA accepts SG banks' cheques in SGD.
They will convert themselves.
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 17 2016, 10:13 AM)
Commission for optionX is abt usd15 (units less than 1000)

That s y I wan think twice. Whereas TDA is usd10.65 per trade flat.
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i was on OX
now on TOS (TDA's or TDAA's platform).

it's like comparing a remote control car (OX)
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drone with cam, GPS & weapons loadout (TOS)

the tools, alerts, data, backtesting, daily "classes", etc... whoa..
THOUGH it may look confusing to newbies (so many possibilities) - newbies can focus on just 2 or 3 screen items cukup heheh

Also OX management now seems to be focusing on high net worth folks - i had slightly less than USD10K coz i moved a chunk to TOS and they sent me a nice email asking me to top-up until net liq >=$10K.

So much for keeping my "first love" - for bulk contracts/stocks, it is cheaper by about 10% VS my TOS a/c but.. OX no luv me no more cry.gif so.. i was forced to leave "her"..
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Here is a enquiry from a friend. Can any sifu share insight whether to sign up TDA or just continue existing Sg brokerage with USD settlèment acc.

If you only want buy ETF can do via SG BROKERAGE. why want open another US broker? you would hv to park USD 3500 there. And another account to manage.<br>
Just sharing my thoughts.

I looked at few US ETF before.. but never did buy. Yes, there is long term capital appreciation.. however, very low dividend.

I feel its safer holding stuff that can return 6 to 8% constantly every year is safer.. with low votality.

Maybe I am wrong...

I tried to diversify out from REITS .. hv Asian pay tv (lukily only got 1000 units) M1 (huge negative now); UMS, singtel, NERATEL (just cut loss yesterday)... as not sure where the company is heading...

Lower risk. Even if there is dividend cut. its only the 1 to 2%.. as the portfolio of property is quite large.

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 18 2016, 10:59 AM)
Here is a enquiry from a friend. Can any sifu share insight whether to sign up TDA or just continue existing Sg brokerage with USD settlèment acc.

If you only want buy ETF can do via SG BROKERAGE. why want open another US broker? you would hv to park USD 3500 there. And another account to manage.<br>
Just sharing my thoughts.

I looked at few US ETF before.. but never did buy. Yes, there is long term capital appreciation.. however, very low dividend.

I feel its safer holding stuff that can return 6 to 8% constantly every year is safer.. with low votality.

Maybe I am wrong...

I tried to diversify out from REITS .. hv Asian pay tv (lukily only got 1000 units) M1 (huge negative now); UMS, singtel, NERATEL (just cut loss yesterday)... as not sure where the company is heading...

Lower risk. Even if there is dividend cut. its only the 1 to 2%.. as the portfolio of property is quite large.
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just my PoV & practice:
1. IF just buy/hold and for asset allocation +sub-asset diversification: bought & sat on US listed stocks via iTrade

2. IF want to use sell Naked Put options to buy for (1.)
AND want to use sell Covered Call options to juice (1.) dividend+premium returns and/or sell at worthwhile price
AND want to avoid stupid agent charges on dividends by iTrade/HLeB (which is a cost on top of the 30% withholding by US IRS for non-resident aliens):
do on ToS, OX, etc (now i'm only on ToS)

2 cents sharing

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 18 2016, 12:04 PM)
just my PoV & practice:
1. IF just buy/hold and for asset allocation +sub-asset diversification: bought & sat on US listed stocks via iTrade

2. IF want to use sell Naked Put options to buy for (1.)
AND want to use sell Covered Call options to juice (1.) dividend+premium returns and/or sell at worthwhile price
AND want to avoid stupid agent charges on dividends by iTrade/HLeB (which is a cost on top of the 30% withholding by US IRS for non-resident aliens):
do on ToS, OX, etc (now i'm only on ToS)

2 cents sharing
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What's ToS?

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What's ToS?
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 18 2016, 12:22 PM)
ToS = Think or swim (TD Ameritrade)
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Thanks bro - heheh - too used to call by platform name/short cut
forgot newbies refer to the Broker's Co. (TDA or TDAA)
ah.. there was once upon a time FB meant some else... laugh.gif

Ramjade yup yup TD Ameritrade (Asia la, since US mothership threw us NRAs out of US to SG)

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 18 2016, 12:29 PM)
Thanks bro - heheh - too used to call by platform name/short cut
forgot newbies refer to the Broker's Co. (TDA or TDAA)
ah.. there was once upon a time FB meant some else...  laugh.gif

Ramjade yup yup TD Ameritrade (Asia la, since US mothership threw us NRAs out of US to SG)
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I only know abt US shares abit and US etf abit. Wan buy and keep for dividend / growth.

At the moment, no options or future coz not familiar. Buying in small numbers coz limited capital and wanna test d water.

Should i remain with Sg brokerage ?
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 18 2016, 12:47 PM)
I only know abt US shares abit and US etf abit. Wan buy and keep for dividend / growth.

At the moment, no options or future coz not familiar. Buying in small numbers coz limited capital and wanna test d water.

Should i remain with Sg brokerage ?
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yeah - i'd stay with local or SG brokerage houses.

however please not that the dividends U receive may be "negative" if too small due to the extra charges for "Agents fees" management/transaction. If purely/mostly for capital growth/appreciation, then "no feel on that pain" thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 18 2016, 12:51 PM)
yeah - i'd stay with local or SG brokerage houses.

however please not that the dividends U receive may be "negative" if too small due to the extra charges for "Agents fees" management/transaction. If purely/mostly for capital growth/appreciation, then "no feel on that pain"  :thumbsup:
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True also.

Now i started with us denominated share listed in Sgx as way to accumulate usd smile.gif

Let me think over again based on what u said.
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yeah - i'd stay with local or SG brokerage houses.

however please not that the dividends U receive may be "negative" if too small due to the extra charges for "Agents fees" management/transaction. If purely/mostly for capital growth/appreciation, then "no feel on that pain"  thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Nov 18 2016, 01:19 PM)
True also.

Now i started with us denominated share listed in Sgx as way to accumulate usd smile.gif

Let me think over again based on what u said.
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excellent point - newbies may not know this.

for local brokers handling FX, if u hv too few shares, reits or stocks, the fixed charges in processing can kill the dividend, become negative, a net charge to pay! biggrin.gif

foreign brokers will not have that but tend to have monthly running charges and/or min deposits.

impt to understand the pros and cons of local vs foreign, fixed vs variable charges.

the choice is not always obvious - a matter of type of trades, frequency of trades and size of trades.

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Agree with AVFAN, every investor uses each platform differently.

The only real way to make an informed decision is to write down a few months of trades and do the calculations based on that.

If one is buying regularly, then the options which are now out of reach because of min deposits etc they should be within reach not too long in the future
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Anyone know of a local broker with fees that are near TDAA? Everyone seems to be charging a minimum of $25 over here. That's pretty painful.
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Anyone know of a local broker with fees that are near TDAA? Everyone seems to be charging a minimum of $25 over here. That's pretty painful.
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Its depend on ur budget.
IB offer cheap min transaction cost.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 28 2016, 05:31 PM)
hi rjb,

like u know, i already have IB.

but like to know a bit more about this TDAA.

.. is registration and funds transfer much the same as IB, i.e. online submission of identity docs, then TT the funds?

.. what is min deposit?

.. what min deposit for unlimited intraday trade?

thanks.
p/s... since this is the ONLY thread to find decent foreign brokers info, is it possible u amend thread title so that it is easier for interested parties to find?

there are plenty of people here looking for brokers like IB and TDAA!  biggrin.gif
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There is no minimum deposit to able to trade for TDAA. $2500 is just a recommended initial deposit amount. Answer from TDAA livechat rclxms.gif
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How to buy ETFs in Malaysia ?
Do we have a LYN thread on ETFs ?
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Buying ETFs in malaysia is expensive (not talking about Malaysia index which is not worth) as most index are in other currency. The best way is open a Singapore account > open Interactive Broker > direct bank in SGD (they accept SGD) > then use IB exchange to exchange for the currency you want (people say their exchange rates are even better than money changer) > buy ETF you want from the respected market (recommended is Irish Domiciled ETFs to save cost).

Yes. There are 2 threads on ETFs.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2843370
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3396549

But the bad thing about IB is USD10/months fee for inactivity unless you have USD100k with them then it's free. THe USD10/month will reduce if you carry out enough transaction to cover the fees.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 8 2016, 01:44 PM)
Buying ETFs in malaysia is expensive (not talking about Malaysia index which is not worth) as most index are in other currency. The best way is open a Singapore account > open Interactive Broker > direct bank in SGD (they accept SGD) > then use IB exchange to exchange for the currency you want (people say their exchange rates are even better than money changer) > buy ETF you want from the respected market (recommended is Irish Domiciled ETFs to save cost).

Yes. There are 2 threads on ETFs.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2843370
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3396549

But the bad thing about IB is USD10/months fee for inactivity unless you have USD100k with them then it's free. THe USD10/month will reduce if you carry out enough transaction to cover the fees.
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So this thread will be the ABC on ETFs ?
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So this thread will be the ABC on ETFs ?
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Tested TDAA platform. Very confusing.
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QUOTE(lch78 @ Dec 8 2016, 09:17 PM)
Tested TDAA platform. Very confusing.
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TOS (Think or swim)?

If I'm honest since I transferred my TDAM holdings to TDAA I've logged in once and never put a trade through. I assumed the platform is the same
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Dec 8 2016, 09:19 PM)
TOS (Think or swim)?

If I'm honest since I transferred my TDAM holdings to TDAA I've logged in once and never put a trade through. I assumed the platform is the same
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Yes. Think or swim.
Still learning how to use it..
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In case anyone is interested - looks like another way to deposit without charges to IB can be through Citibank.

As USD funding is done to Citibank USA, if you have a Citibank USD account in Malaysia you should be able to transfer USD instantly without any charges.

Limits seem to be $12500 for normal account holders and $25000 for Citigold customers, can do it online too and not necessary to go to the branch.

Will give this a go and report back next week!

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According to what I found on other forums Citi global transfer service doesn't work to institutional accounts.

Anyway, no harm in trying!
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According to what I found on other forums Citi global transfer service doesn't work to institutional accounts.

Anyway, no harm in trying!
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its for personal account only.
How to open citibank usd account?
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its for personal account only.
How to open citibank usd account?
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You can just go to one of their branches and open - same as any other bank.

There's a fee though if your balance is under a certain amount.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Dec 9 2016, 02:23 AM)
In case anyone is interested - looks like another way to deposit without charges to IB can be through Citibank.

As USD funding is done to Citibank USA, if you have a Citibank USD account in Malaysia you should be able to transfer USD instantly without any charges.

Limits seem to be $12500 for normal account holders and $25000 for Citigold customers, can do it online too and not necessary to go to the branch.

Will give this a go and report back next week!
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QUOTE(asimov82 @ Dec 27 2016, 10:37 AM)
boss, hows ur experience with citi??
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Confirmed with RM - it isn't available for deposits to institutional accounts.

So you can still TT from Citi USD auto IB but normal TT charges apply. At least they have a decent limit ($25K I think) and can be done online unlike Maybank where I need to visit the branch
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Dec 27 2016, 11:35 AM)
Confirmed with RM - it isn't available for deposits to institutional accounts.

So you can still TT from Citi USD auto IB but normal TT charges apply. At least they have a decent limit ($25K I think) and can be done online unlike Maybank where I need to visit the branch
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so it means as individual we can online transfer between the MYR/USD account as normal payment and transfer,
isnt it is free for these? y still consider as TT and charge TT? how much is the charge?

as stated in website:
https://www.citibank.com.my/english/deposit...alMoneyTransfer
"No additional fees or charges required." hmm.gif

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QUOTE(asimov82 @ Dec 27 2016, 09:24 PM)
so it means as individual we can online transfer between the MYR/USD account as normal payment and transfer,
isnt it is free for these? y still consider as TT and charge TT? how much is the charge?

as stated in website:
https://www.citibank.com.my/english/deposit...alMoneyTransfer
"No additional fees or charges required."  hmm.gif
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I'm talking about transferring from Citibank Malaysia to Interactive Brokers Citibank account in US, not between own accounts.

Transferring between own accounts (USD to MYR) has better rates than Maybank too.
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I'm talking about transferring from Citibank Malaysia to Interactive Brokers Citibank account in US, not between own accounts.

Transferring between own accounts (USD to MYR) has better rates than Maybank too.
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ic, so the cheapest way is from own MYR citi account to own USD citi account, then to IB account.
last one is not us local bank transfer?
thanks.

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ic, so the cheapest way is from own MYR citi account to own USD citi account, then to IB account.
last one is not us local bank transfer?
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From MYR yes, although probably same if you transfer from MYR directly to USA

Citibank USD account will be held in Malaysia so that part would still be a foreign TT.

Cheapest (free) is actually if you have an account overseas where IB also has an account e.g. GBP in UK or SGD in SG
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Dec 27 2016, 10:18 PM)
From MYR yes, although probably same if you transfer from MYR directly to USA

Citibank USD account will be held in Malaysia so that part would still be a foreign TT.

Cheapest (free) is actually if you have an account overseas where IB also has an account e.g. GBP in UK or SGD in SG
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Oh, I think I get it wrongly, the USD account mentioned here is the foreign currency account, that's is held in Malaysia.

I am mistaken it as US account, which we do fund transfer as in "Citibank Global Transfer".
thus, I am surprise and want to know how to open citi account in US locally.

same idea for open actual SG citi account and do "Citibank Global Transfer" to it.

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Oh, I think I get it wrongly, the USD account mentioned here is the foreign currency account, that's is held in Malaysia.

I am mistaken it as US account, which we do fund transfer as in "Citibank Global Transfer".
thus, I am surprise and want to know how to open citi account in US locally.

same idea for open actual SG citi account and do "Citibank Global Transfer" to it.

thanks anyway thumbup.gif
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Opening Citi account in Singapore should be possible I think, although then you'd still need to change form USD to SGD with them as IB SG account only takes SGD incoming transfer.

US is difficult I believe - I looked into it before briefly and there doesn't seem to be a way without having SSN (social security number)

I have OCBC in SG and can deposit SGD without charges - but their exchange rates aren't good so don't use that option as I don't have any income in SGD.


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Which part? I don't recall any issues with filling in application so not sure which account numbers you refer to

TD Ameritrade Asia does give you your new account number on one of the forms you print out if that's what you mean.
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Withdrawal would be in USD (not sure if SGD available?) if you transfer to an RM account then it'll be converted at your banks rate.

I'd only withdraw to USD account, can convert back to RM from there if needed.
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Withdrawal would be in USD (not sure if SGD available?) if you transfer to an RM account then it'll be converted at your banks rate.

I'd only withdraw to USD account, can convert back to RM from there if needed.
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Been reading all 19 pages on ETF, funding etc...what an eye opener.

Been reading up on DriveWealth broker as well. seems like a relatively new fintech company that is a member of FINRA and SIPC, so i guess it's legal.

From the practice account, there are pros and cons:

Pros:
1. multiple funding options: TT only incur the cost at the bank and no charges from their side, funding using credit card etc
2. commission USD2.99/trade
3. can buy a fraction of share
4. min deposit USD50-60 (including misc fees)
5. web site seems very simple and graphical, probably good for beginners

Cons:
1. only limited stocks available to trade
2. less common compare to big boys. can last long term?
3. no GTD functionality. So order last for 1 trading day only
4. withdrawal USD45 each time
5. security concern?

Cant seem to find much info about this broker but seems to attract retail customers (claim to have >100k retail customers). Worth the risk?

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Been reading all 19 pages on ETF, funding etc...what an eye opener.

Been reading up on DriveWealth broker as well. seems like a relatively new fintech company that is a member of FINRA and SIPC, so i guess it's legal.

From the practice account, there are pros and cons:

Pros:
1. multiple funding options: TT only incur the cost at the bank and no charges from their side, funding using credit card etc
2. commission USD2.99/trade
3. can buy a fraction of share
4. min deposit USD50-60 (including misc fees)
5. web site seems very simple and graphical, probably good for beginners

Cons:
1. only limited stocks available to trade
2. less common compare to big boys. can last long term?
3. no GTD functionality. So order last for 1 trading day only
4. withdrawal USD45 each time
5. security concern?

Cant seem to find much info about this broker but seems to attract retail customers (claim to have >100k retail customers). Worth the risk?
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They do seem legit, looking at few bits of information. Although I've never heard of them until now, if they're part of SIPC your investments are protected
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Dec 29 2016, 11:06 PM)
Been reading all 19 pages on ETF, funding etc...what an eye opener.

Been reading up on DriveWealth broker as well. seems like a relatively new fintech company that is a member of FINRA and SIPC, so i guess it's legal.

From the practice account, there are pros and cons:

Pros:
1. multiple funding options: TT only incur the cost at the bank and no charges from their side, funding using credit card etc
2. commission USD2.99/trade
3. can buy a fraction of share
4. min deposit USD50-60 (including misc fees)
5. web site seems very simple and graphical, probably good for beginners

Cons:
1. only limited stocks available to trade
2. less common compare to big boys. can last long term?
3. no GTD functionality. So order last for 1 trading day only
4. withdrawal USD45 each time
5. security concern?

Cant seem to find much info about this broker but seems to attract retail customers (claim to have >100k retail customers). Worth the risk?
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USD 45 per withdrawal?
That is sucks
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Sorry for international TT, it's USD35 per withdrawal. I guess something has to give as the commission is pretty low


QUOTE(MNet @ Dec 30 2016, 10:13 PM)
USD 45 per withdrawal?
That is sucks
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What are ETFs?


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What is the different listing of etf at Arca , bat, nasdaq ?

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What is the different listing of etf at Arca , bat, nasdaq ?
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rjb123, AVFAN said it's getting harder to open IB. Is that true?
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rjb123, AVFAN said it's getting harder to open IB. Is that true?
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anyone tried to wire transfer $ to HK bank accounts such as HSBC/Stanchart from Maybank? What are the wire charges involved?

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rjb123 sorry for borthering you. I would like to ask how do you fund your IB?

1. SGD > IB
2. USD/GBP > IB
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rjb123 sorry for borthering you. I would like to ask how do you fund your IB?

1. SGD > IB
2. USD/GBP > IB
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Only Nr 2 at present.

My income is in USD or GBP so I can either deposit GBP from a UK account (fee free) or from USD which costs around $50 as a round trip.

SGD is an option but I'd have to buy SGD first so not really convenient at the moment!
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Only Nr 2 at present.

My income is in USD or GBP so I can either deposit GBP from a UK account (fee free) or from USD which costs around $50 as a round trip.

SGD is an option but I'd have to buy SGD first so not really convenient at the moment!
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Thanks. Hansel I think you have your answer?
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jan 10 2017, 08:40 PM)
Only Nr 2 at present.

My income is in USD or GBP so I can either deposit GBP from a UK account (fee free) or from USD which costs around $50 as a round trip.

SGD is an option but I'd have to buy SGD first so not really convenient at the moment!
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Thanks. Hansel I think you have your answer?
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Right,... so rjb123 deposits GBP notes into IB from his UK Account which is free, since that account is based in the UK (whose natural currency is the GBP), but if he deposits USD into that account, he will have to pay USD50 fee, because the USD would then be foreign currency in the UK,... Is my understanding correct ?
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 10 2017, 10:23 PM)
Right,... so rjb123 deposits GBP notes into IB from his UK Account which is free, since that account is based in the UK (whose natural currency is the GBP), but if he deposits USD into that account, he will have to pay USD50 fee, because the USD would then be foreign currency in the UK,... Is my understanding correct ?
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Well he did said it's cheaper to fund account using SGD than using RM. Let's wait for his reply.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 10 2017, 10:23 PM)
Right,... so rjb123 deposits GBP notes into IB from his UK Account which is free, since that account is based in the UK (whose natural currency is the GBP), but if he deposits USD into that account, he will have to pay USD50 fee, because the USD would then be foreign currency in the UK,... Is my understanding correct ?
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Well he did said it's cheaper to fund account using SGD than using RM. Let's wait for his reply.
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As long as IB has a local account where you're depositing funds you can avoid the bank charges - with USD it isn't avoidable unless you have a bank account in the US which should allow you to do I think it's called ACH deposit.

Ie. GBP account in UK to IB UK Account = Free, SGD account in SG to IB SGD Account = Free

As SGD is freely tradeable, you can convert from SGD to USD with pretty much no spread inside IB. Of course you have to get SGD first .. converting from RM is never great as you have to change from RM in Malaysia before anything else!
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:38 PM)
SGD account in SG to IB SGD Account = Free
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Tq rjb123,....

Pertaining to the above, I would understand you would be able to transfer over funds from a Sgp bank acct in SGD into the IB SGD Acct,...

But my question is : are you able to give SGD cash by hand to the IB employees at the IB Office in Sgp to be deposited into your IB SGD trading acct ?
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Tq rjb123,....

Pertaining to the above, I would understand you would be able to transfer over funds from a Sgp bank acct in SGD into the IB SGD Acct,...

But my question is : are you able to give SGD cash by hand to the IB employees at the IB Office in Sgp to be deposited into your IB SGD trading acct ?
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Why do you want give by cash when one can transfer into their account? Caah in Singapore is big red flag especially if it's a lot.

Guess you can email them and asked.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 11 2017, 07:32 AM)
Tq rjb123,....

Pertaining to the above, I would understand you would be able to transfer over funds from a Sgp bank acct in SGD into the IB SGD Acct,...

But my question is : are you able to give SGD cash by hand to the IB employees at the IB Office in Sgp to be deposited into your IB SGD trading acct ?
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I haven't tried this but I'm 99.99% sure that no broker would accept a direct cash deposit. They don't even accept transfers from accounts in a different name.


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I haven't tried this but I'm 99.99% sure that no broker would accept a direct cash deposit. They don't even accept transfers from accounts in a different name.
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YES,... bro,... all my doubts are cleared. Your second sentence : They don't even accept transfers from accounts in a different name, happened after the 1MDB case started blowing-up,... yes, my private banker warned me of this !!!

In some past postings when a forummer said to me,... capital controls has been in existence even before 1MDB started, yes, I would agree,.. but back then,...before the 1MDB fiasco started, your second sentence has not been enforced yet !

After that 1MDB case blew up, MORE enforcements were put in place,... and more restrictions against capital movement were enforced,... That's why I said,... thanks to 1MDB. Now I/we am/are heavily inconvenienced.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 11 2017, 06:42 PM)
YES,... bro,... all my doubts are cleared. Your second sentence : They don't even accept transfers from accounts in a different name, happened after the 1MDB case started blowing-up,... yes, my private banker warned me of this !!!

In some past postings when a forummer said to me,... capital controls has been in existence even before 1MDB started, yes, I would agree,.. but back then,...before the 1MDB fiasco started, your second sentence has not been enforced yet !

After that 1MDB case blew up, MORE enforcements were put in place,... and more restrictions against capital movement were enforced,... That's why I said,... thanks to 1MDB. Now I/we am/are heavily inconvenienced.
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I meant the deposits to IB - IB won't accept deposits from any account not in your own name - this has been in place for everyone, not just accounts / individuals in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 11 2017, 10:18 AM)
Why do you want give by cash when one can transfer into their account? Cash in Singapore is big red flag especially if it's a lot.

Guess you can email them and asked.
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Bro,... you really don't get my msg's,... it's okay, if really one can learn so fast,.. then the concept of time needed to build experience does not qualify anymore. anymore,...
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jan 11 2017, 06:43 PM)
I meant the deposits to IB - IB won't accept deposits from any account not in your own name - this has been in place for everyone, not just accounts / individuals in Malaysia.
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Bro,... I'll reply this subject topic one more time,... I'm aware this applies to everyone today,... but if you read my writing earlier,.. I'm not talking about this ruling being applied to whom,... but I was talking abt this ruling being started to be enforced since when,...

Anyway,... I'd like to reiterate here,... the point that I'd like to make here is if one can indeed find a bank which can accept foreign currency notes being deposited in without charges (just like DBS earlier), it really saves a lot of cost in our investing plans. But DBS has closed her doors. Hopefully the other bank can open her doors now.
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I am thinking of the Citibank approach:

1. open MY Citibank account
2. open SG Citibank account
3. move fund around using the "global fund transfer"

anyone try this before?

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I am thinking of the Citibank approach:

1. open MY Citibank account
2. open SG Citibank account
3. move fund around using the "global fund transfer"

anyone try this before?
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Same approach as using HSBC Premier Global View really - but still at mercy of the bank exchange rates.

Not sure how difficult / easy it is to open Citibank SG account, never tried.

If MYR was openly traded life would be much easier (ie. more competitive exchange rates!)
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Bro,... you really don't get my msg's,... it's okay, if really one can learn so fast,.. then the concept of time needed to build experience does not qualify anymore. anymore,...
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The reason I am saying Singapore won't accept cash is because of money laundering. Heck. Even for Philips, they told me to deposit cash, need to head to their HQ.
Developed countries don't use cash because it's untraceable which makes it a good stuff for money laundering and criminal activities.

So since I assume you want to pay them in huge cash, of course they won't accept. Of course they will ask you to bank in.
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Hi all,

I have read through this thread from page one till the last page. I am rather new at investing and may not be very familiar with certain concepts, so I apologize in advance since I'll be needing some guidance in my understanding.

For simplicity, the following will be my assumptions:
1. Trade ETF through TDAA
2. Commission fee of USD10.65 per trade
3. TT fee of USD50
4. MYR/USD = 4.5
5. Purchasing VTI (Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund ETF Shares

With the above assumptions, say if I have the required USD3,500 deposit to open the account, that would mean I will need:
(USD3,500+USD50) x 4.5 = MYR15,975 --- [50/3550*100=1.4%]

With the initial USD3,500 in my TDAA account, I purchase 29 shares ot VTI at USD116.68 each:
USD116.68 x 29 + USD10.65= USD3,394.37; Balance in account: USD105.63 --- [10.65/3394.37*100=0.31]

After that, assume that I am able to allocate up to MYR10,000 in a year to purchase additional shares, I would have:
MYR10,000/4.5 - USD50 = USD2,172 --- [50/2222*100=2.25%]

Purchase additional shares:
USD116.68*19 + USD10.65 = USD2227.57; Balance in account: USD50.06 --- [10.65/2227.57*100=0.47%]

Questions:
1. So does this mean that just from TT charges, commission fee and the VTI expense ratio, I would have actually lost upfront a total of roughly:
First purchase: 1.76% (1.4%+0.31%+0.05%)
Second purchase: 2.77% (2.25%+0.47%+0.05%)
I do understand that with larger investment sum, the percentage will drop further and vice versa.
2. Say if I bought an Equity and Bond fund, does that count as two separate trade, incurring 2 x USD10.65 commission fee, thus further increasing the percentage that I had calculated earlier?
3. Does the commission fee also be charged when selling or re-balancing? I suppose any selling of one fund and buying another would be considered as additional trades and the commission fee would be charged separately for each transaction. Is my understanding correct? Was reading up on another thread by Dreamer - Asset Allocation Investing using US ETF, Basic approach to asset Allocation ETF

I am not sure if my calculations are correct so feel free to correct me if they are wrong. Like I mentioned, I'm here to learn from more experienced people around here since I'm rather new to all this and am still am unfamiliar with some of the concepts.

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 03:01 AM)
Hi all,

I have read through this thread from page one till the last page. I am rather new at investing and may not be very familiar with certain concepts, so I apologize in advance since I'll be needing some guidance in my understanding.

For simplicity, the following will be my assumptions:
1. Trade ETF through TDAA
2. Commission fee of USD10.65 per trade
3. TT fee of USD50
4. MYR/USD = 4.5
5. Purchasing VTI (Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund ETF Shares


With the above assumptions, say if I have the required USD3,500 deposit to open the account, that would mean I will need:
(USD3,500+USD50) x 4.5 = MYR15,975 --- [50/3550*100=1.4%]

With the initial USD3,500 in my TDAA account, I purchase 29 shares ot VTI at USD116.68 each:
USD116.68 x 29 + USD10.65= USD3,394.37; Balance in account: USD105.63 --- [10.65/3394.37*100=0.31]

After that, assume that I am able to allocate up to MYR10,000 in a year to purchase additional shares, I would have:
MYR10,000/4.5 - USD50 = USD2,172 --- [50/2222*100=2.25%]

Purchase additional shares:
USD116.68*19 + USD10.65 = USD2227.57; Balance in account: USD50.06 --- [10.65/2227.57*100=0.47%]

Questions:
1. So does this mean that  just from TT charges, commission fee and the VTI expense ratio, I would have actually lost upfront a total of roughly:
First purchase: 1.76% (1.4%+0.31%+0.05%)
Second purchase: 2.77% (2.25%+0.47%+0.05%)
I do understand that with larger investment sum, the percentage will drop further and vice versa.
2. Say if I bought an Equity and Bond fund, does that count as two separate trade, incurring 2 x USD10.65 commission fee, thus further increasing the percentage that I had calculated earlier?
3. Does the commission fee also be charged when selling or re-balancing? I suppose any selling of one fund and buying another would be considered as additional trades and the commission fee would be charged separately for each transaction. Is my understanding correct? Was reading up on another thread by Dreamer - Asset Allocation Investing using US ETF, Basic approach to asset Allocation ETF

I am not sure if my calculations are correct so feel free to correct me if they are wrong. Like I mentioned, I'm here to learn from more experienced people around here since I'm rather new to all this and am still am unfamiliar with some of the concepts.
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While waiting for rjb123,

1. Trading via TDAA will eat your profit faster than anything. If you are trading, go for IB. If you are holding, I think TDAA is ok.
3. Where did you get TT fees of USD50? Most banks charge RM10/TT
5. By purchasing that ETF, you will kena 30% tax on your profit by the US. Better to go the LSE way and buy Ireland domiciled ETF which mirror the US market which will cost 15% tax on profit only. Instead of 30%

To be honest, I don't think RM10k/year is suitable for ETFs. For cost effective, IMHO, one should have at least RM30k/year for ETFs. That's just my opinions.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 08:28 AM)
While waiting for rjb123,

1. Trading via TDAA will eat your profit faster than anything. If you are trading, go for IB. If you are holding, I think TDAA is ok.
3. Where did you get TT fees of USD50? Most banks charge RM10/TT
5. By purchasing that ETF, you will kena 30% tax on your profit by the US. Better to go the LSE way and buy Ireland domiciled ETF which mirror the US market  which will cost 15% tax on profit only. Instead of 30%

To be honest, I don't think RM10k/year is suitable for ETFs. For cost effective, IMHO, one should have at least RM30k/year for ETFs. That's just my opinions.
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er.. TDAA fler here who does ETFs, other stocks like CVX HCP RSX & options on ETFs & stocks.

Further feedback/sharing on the items above:
1. It depends.. but generally spot on.
2. TT fees - there are the sending local charges (if any) + US side receiving charges, usually about USD20 per transaction, regardless of amount.
5. For US - there's no capital gains tax but there is withholding tax of 30% on dividends for NRAs - non-resident aliens. Non-resident = not in US lor + aliens = not orang Trump tongue.gif

Bottom line - MYR10K per year & doing US ETFs?
A. heheh - IMHO, best to start with local or SGX first.
Learn value investing (whatever value is to U), Build up $ and when one can cough up >=USD5K pa to invest consistently, then it becomes more worthwhile to get into US markets.

B. Learn how to juice your US stock investments with selling options WHILE "getting there".

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 03:01 AM)
I do understand that with larger investment sum, the percentage will drop further and vice versa.
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rm10k is too small, too costly for trading foreign stocks, using local or foreign brokers.

save up >usd10k first.


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 08:28 AM)
While waiting for rjb123,

1. Trading via TDAA will eat your profit faster than anything. If you are trading, go for IB. If you are holding, I think TDAA is ok.
3. Where did you get TT fees of USD50? Most banks charge RM10/TT
5. By purchasing that ETF, you will kena 30% tax on your profit by the US. Better to go the LSE way and buy Ireland domiciled ETF which mirror the US market  which will cost 15% tax on profit only. Instead of 30%

To be honest, I don't think RM10k/year is suitable for ETFs. For cost effective, IMHO, one should have at least RM30k/year for ETFs. That's just my opinions.
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1. It's just an assumption for me to get a feel of the numbers. Whether it's tdaa or ib I'll just need to adjust the numbers to reflect accordingly.
3. I got that value from the first post where it's stayed that roughly the total tt charges would be around usd 50. That rm10 is just charges by local banks. I would assume that there might be some charges by receiving and intermediate banks in us.
5. I thought as nra, were eligible to get a 15% deduction on the wt if we fill up some form by every April? Well,I suppose that is still some extra work compared to buying Ireland domiciled etf.

Tbh, 30k would be close to what i earn yearly. I supposed us etf is just out of my reach atm.

Thanks for your feedback.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 20 2017, 08:47 AM)
er.. TDAA fler here who does ETFs, other stocks like CVX HCP RSX & options on ETFs & stocks.

Further feedback/sharing on the items above:
1. It depends.. but generally spot on.
2. TT fees - there are the sending local charges (if any) + US side receiving charges, usually about USD20 per transaction, regardless of amount.
5. For US - there's no capital gains tax but there is withholding tax of 30% on dividends for NRAs - non-resident aliens. Non-resident = not in US lor + aliens = not orang Trump tongue.gif

Bottom line - MYR10K per year & doing US ETFs?
A. heheh - IMHO, best to start with local or SGX first.
Learn value investing (whatever value is to U), Build up $ and when one can cough up >=USD5K pa to invest consistently, then it becomes more worthwhile to get into US markets.

B. Learn how to juice your US stock investments with selling options WHILE "getting there".
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usd 5k pa with current exchange rate would translate to rm22500 pa. Looks like I'll have to double my salary before i can make us etf any worthwhile. sad.gif

I'll try to read up on this value investing and options that you've mentioned. But somehow i get the feeling that the latter is something with high risk. Maybe I'm wrong since i actually do not know anything about options. Haha.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 09:22 AM)
rm10k is too small, too costly for trading foreign stocks, using local or foreign brokers.

save up >usd10k first.
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actually, I have the usd10k now for my initial investment. However, it took me four years to save up due to the increase in exchange rates.

That means if I were to go ahead, I can only buy once now, save up another four years then only top up. I supposed this wouldn't be advisable? Or is my understanding wrong?

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 10:10 AM)
actually, I have the usd10k now for my initial investment. However, it took me four years to save up due to the increase in exchange rates.

That means if I were to go ahead, I can only buy once now, save up another four years then only top up. I supposed this wouldn't be advisable? Or is my understanding wrong?
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investing is not saving or fd, more so for foreign with Fx risks.
Not a matter of how many times u top up.
A matter of cost efficiency, i.e.bottomline.

There are other considerations... Real time data, late nights, approval by brokers n local banks for money transfer.

Frankly, if u hv not traded at bursa, best not to get to foreign. Very easy to lose it all.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 10:06 AM)
usd 5k pa with current exchange rate would translate to rm22500 pa. Looks like I'll have to double my salary before i can make us etf any worthwhile. sad.gif

I'll try to read up on this value investing and options that you've mentioned. But somehow i get the feeling that the latter is something with high risk. Maybe I'm wrong since i actually do not know anything about options. Haha.
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Risk - either to be managed or avoided
Those that avoids risk doesnt learn how to manage them
And it's due to risks that there are returns, else Fixed Deposit-style 3%pa OR worse in US & SG FD tongue.gif

Also, with stocks/ETFs options - do U know U can get PAID while waiting to buy a stock/ETF at a discounted price U want?
VS
pure stocks purchase = put in offer & hope/wait, repeat for months/years until filled. while waiting, no income/returns

Note - even driving is risk management ya?
blind & stupid driver following GPS only without looking at real traffic & roads = HIGH risk VS world population's driving skills
michael schumacher = relatively low risk VS world population's driving skills

please not condoning blind execution - learn, simulate, do small then have a written policy & program to execute & track (and tweak where possible for risk/returns wanted)

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BTW - if U are planning to invest in USD denominated, think in USD denominations first, not converted MYR
Foreign Exchange fluctuates like mad within a few years - eg. $2.8 2008-2009, $3.1+ 2010-2013, 3.8+/- 2014-2016 and now 4.5
it's like trying to write in English BUT we think in Chinese/Malay/Tamil then only translate - koyak wan the written grammar tongue.gif
just a thought - no gospel truths notworthy.gif

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hmm... anyone do the calculation on using the local brokerage platform of foreign stock trading, to buy and hold etf for long term?

presumption is that the cost is lower without TT fee and you can buy the etf counterpart (accumulating type) from london stock exchange.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 11:00 AM)
investing is not saving or fd, more so for foreign with Fx risks.
Not a matter of how many times u top up.
A matter of cost efficiency, i.e.bottomline.

There are other considerations... Real time data, late nights, approval by brokers n local banks for money transfer.

Frankly, if u hv not traded at bursa, best not to get to foreign. Very easy to lose it all.
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Thanks for the input. Does the same considerations also come into play when the intention is to buy and hold for long term instead of actively trading and timing the etf? Seems like I really have a lot more to learn and understand.
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QUOTE(asimov82 @ Jan 20 2017, 12:22 PM)
hmm... anyone do the calculation on using the local brokerage platform of foreign stock trading, to buy and hold etf for long term?

presumption is that the cost is lower without TT fee and you can buy the etf counterpart (accumulating type) from london stock exchange.
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Hold mid or long term, local brokers ok. Very bad for trading.

Trading, must use foreign brokers to make sense.

Of course, can use foreigj brokers formlong term too.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 12:31 PM)
Hold mid or long term, local brokers ok. Very bad for trading.

Trading, must use foreign brokers to make sense.

Of course, can use foreigj brokers formlong term too.
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to add for local brokers:
also very bad for dividend investing IF small amount
due to additional charges per dividend received sweat.gif

if big enuf amount (we talking about several hundreds of net dividend) ok lar.. pain a bit VS foreign brokers

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 20 2017, 12:06 PM)
Risk - either to be managed or avoided
Those that avoids risk doesnt learn how to manage them
And it's due to risks that there are returns, else Fixed Deposit-style 3%pa OR worse in US & SG FD tongue.gif

I was reading up on Dreamer's thread on etf/index fund management which touched on some risk management (60/40 allocation, rebalancing strategies). Maybe in your opinion, that is not good enough/not the whole picture of index fund etf? Do enlighten me further. I'm here to learn on how to manage risk. Unless the only way to learn is to delve right into actual investing. I forgot to mention that I'm primarily eyeing index fund etf only atm. Not going for direct stock trading.

Also, with stocks/ETFs options - do U know U can get PAID while waiting to buy a stock/ETF at a discounted price U want?
VS
pure stocks purchase = put in offer & hope/wait, repeat for months/years until filled. while waiting, no income/returns

I'm doing some reading on this but atm I am still unable to wrap my head around it since this is something new to me. Will continue to do more reading about it to fully understand it.

Note - even driving is risk management ya?
blind & stupid driver following GPS only without looking at real traffic & roads = HIGH risk VS world population's driving skills
michael schumacher = relatively low risk VS world population's driving skills

please not condoning blind execution - learn, simulate, do small then have a written policy & program to execute & track (and tweak where possible for risk/returns wanted)

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BTW - if U are planning to invest in USD denominated, think in USD denominations first, not converted MYR
Foreign Exchange fluctuates like mad within a few years - eg. $2.8 2008-2009, $3.1+ 2010-2013, 3.8+/- 2014-2016 and now 4.5
it's like trying to write in English BUT we think in Chinese/Malay/Tamil then only translate - koyak wan the written grammar tongue.gif
just a thought - no gospel truths  notworthy.gif

I do understand this. Unfortunately, I only have earnings in MYR so i do realize that the forex and conversion fee may kill any earnings. That's why I also would like to ask, what are your experience in dealing with the forex? Or you guys don't ever/have not converted any of your foreign investment back to MYR? If the intention was to keep and hold the index fund etf for a long period, will this help in somewhat mitigating the effects of the forex fluctuations?
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Thanks.

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 12:52 PM)
Thanks.
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Or you guys don't ever/have not converted any of your foreign investment back to MYR? If the intention was to keep and hold the index fund etf for a long period, will this help in somewhat mitigating the effects of the forex fluctuations?

Answer = for me, yup. Keep outside MY.
for me, it's to have at least 3 different currencies' assets (er.. i'm not that rich to keep just cash in bank heheh, thus stocks/EFTs/Mutual Funds)
thus when USD zigs, MYR zags & SGD wildcard
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also 1 country's economic woes wont impact me too much

something like asset allocation BUT location or trust (in Gov) allocation tongue.gif

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I was reading up on Dreamer's thread on etf/index fund management which touched on some risk management (60/40 allocation, rebalancing strategies). Maybe in your opinion, that is not good enough/not the whole picture of index fund etf? Do enlighten me further. I'm here to learn on how to manage risk. Unless the only way to learn is to delve right into actual investing. I forgot to mention that I'm primarily eyeing index fund etf only atm. Not going for direct stock trading.

Opinion: the above is just the basics.
As U get on with it, U will notice time allocation, governmental/forex allocation, opportunistic stuff like Brazil ETF EWZ going to hell but the companies are still making $, etc. Then U will either play ostrich OR learn to tweak to capitalize on these.

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As for selling options - slowly lar like i said, learn WHILE U setup your "base".
took me donkeys of years before i moved into options coz of availability (to local MY people) & size (of my investments/funds).
only did it coz bored ie. while waiting for value buys, nothing ado.. some cash sitting stupidly there..

As long as you're not in a rush to get rich, should be ok coz methodological + meticulous study, analysis, simulation/test, execution, tracking & managing, tweaking
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 20 2017, 12:36 PM)
to add for local brokers:
also very bad for dividend investing IF small amount
due to additional charges per dividend received  sweat.gif
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sure!

QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 12:28 PM)
Thanks for the input. Does the same considerations also come into play when the intention is to buy and hold for long term instead of actively trading and timing the etf? Seems like I really have a lot more to learn and understand.
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if u just want to buy and hold, don't bother with foreign brokers.

just sign up and buy thru local bank/brokers.

u may pay a bit more in brokerage but is only occasionally.

but u save all the hassle of registering, qualifying, TT, future money transfer back, etc.

BUT... as describe above, be sure u buy enough for one div stock or etf - becos every div processing will carry a min charge. so, if too little, u end up paying for the dividend!
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So if my goals are:
1. Have a long term (5-10 or more years) investment in US index fund (Vanguard) with initial investment of USD10K.
2. Each future transaction >USD5K or preferably USD10K (which may mean a window of a couple to several years between transaction) to minimize effects of fees from tt charges, transaction commision.
3. Diversified assets (i.e. A combination of BND, VTI or VOO or both) for a starter.
4. Yearly re-balancing as per Dreamer's basic guide.

What are your take on this plan? Is the amount still too small to be worth it or maybe i missed out something which makes my rough plan above is not feasible.

What is your take on just buying into the index fund once and then just re-balancing yearly. Will the cost of the commission fees defeat the purpose?

Not trying to be rich fast, just that I noticed that US index funds are quite attractive sans the tt fees and forex fluctuations.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 01:49 PM)
sure!
if u just want to buy and hold, don't bother with foreign brokers.

just sign up and buy thru local bank/brokers.

u may pay a bit more in brokerage but is only occasionally.

but u save all the hassle of registering, qualifying, TT, future money transfer back, etc.

BUT... as describe above, be sure u buy enough for one div stock or etf - becos every div processing will carry a min charge. so, if too little, u end up paying for the dividend!
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ah. Just saw your post after I hit the reply button. Thanks for the info. Will look into this re: local brokers.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 01:59 PM)
ah. Just saw your post after I hit the reply button. Thanks for the info. Will look into this re: local brokers.
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just a quick share:
based on HLeB & iTrade - for ETFs, more "availability" on iTrade.
Lots of US' ARCA listed ETFs cannot be done online or must "special request" (ie old style phone in) for HLeB.

For SGX listed ETFs, no issues with HLeB.

As for sizing per order, for optimum cost per order (to get the lowest cost as a % over stock's value bought/sold),
both are about SGD (if SGX) or USD (if US) >=8K

looks huge those numbers - if U have siblings/cousins that can trust each other + want to invest, jointly invest lor
that's what i did with my sis earlier (until now) - else...

just sharing some "pains" i went through heheh
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 20 2017, 02:48 PM)
just a quick share:
based on HLeB & iTrade - for ETFs, more "availability" on iTrade.
Lots of US' ARCA listed ETFs cannot be done online or must "special request" (ie old style phone in) for HLeB.

For SGX listed ETFs, no issues with HLeB.

As for sizing per order, for optimum cost per order (to get the lowest cost as a % over stock's value bought/sold),
both are about SGD (if SGX) or USD (if US) >=8K

looks huge those numbers - if U have siblings/cousins that can trust each other + want to invest, jointly invest lor
that's what i did with my sis earlier (until now) - else...

just sharing some "pains" i went through heheh
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Just a thought re: joint invest with siblings/relatives. From reading previous posts in this thread, I gather that you are the one doing the investment and your sister is riding along as the passenger. Do you have any legal documents which protects your sister from her money kena songlap by your side (or the other way round, if you're the passenger)? e.g. you kaka d, and then the investment gets passed down to your wife/child/next of kin, and then they decide to not return your sister's portion of the investment? Just wondering if you do take any kind of precaution for those or similar kinds of situation.

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 02:58 PM)
Just a thought re: joint invest with siblings/relatives. From reading previous posts in this thread, I gather that you are the one doing the investment and your sister is riding along as the passenger. Do you have any legal documents which protects your sister from her money kena songlap by your side (or the other way round, if you're the passenger)? e.g. you kaka d, and then the investment gets passed down to your wife/child/next of kin, and then they decide to not return your sister's portion of the investment? Just wondering if you do take any kind of precaution for those or similar kinds of situation.
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Good Q.

Well, as long as i'm alive, my sis knows i wont songlap anything as i've built up my reliability/trust-factor with her + i share monthly trackings with her in detailed Excel as well.
Simply put - if U have seen a fler going through hell, losing more than 50% of net worth and yet that fler keeps his word & repayments - can trust boh?
+ every single cent also track in Excel & report back / available anytime for "auditing" laugh.gif

When i kaput, my Will takes care of her portion as my assets-liabilities list is updated every half-yearly or earlier if there are major changes, with my Will's Executor
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i email my sis & wife my assets-liabilities list too,
and each of them have access to my Will (details) + know which Trustee is my Executor

heheh - it's about creating & maintaining trust & transparency with those U trust.

PS / additional thoughts:
If U are beginning to build such trust only OR want something more than blood:
Create a contract between U guys + length of contract / invested + auditing / reporting process + IF failure to... THEN.. clauses

of course no clauses on market fuggups lar heheh that is beyond 1 human's crystal ball gazing

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 20 2017, 02:48 PM)
just a quick share:
based on HLeB & iTrade - for ETFs, more "availability" on iTrade.
Lots of US' ARCA listed ETFs cannot be done online or must "special request" (ie old style phone in) for HLeB.

For SGX listed ETFs, no issues with HLeB.

As for sizing per order, for optimum cost per order (to get the lowest cost as a % over stock's value bought/sold),
both are about SGD (if SGX) or USD (if US) >=8K

looks huge those numbers - if U have siblings/cousins that can trust each other + want to invest, jointly invest lor
that's what i did with my sis earlier (until now) - else...

just sharing some "pains" i went through heheh
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When you mention iTrade, do you mean iTrade CIMB?

It seems like they only have two ETF listing: CIMBC25 and CIMBA40. What are your thoughts on these two ETFs? It seems like one tracks 50 largests stocks in China and HK while the other tracks the 40 largest companies in several ASEAN countries.

Also, through your (or any other of you sifu's here) experience, are US Vanguard Index Fund/ETF available through local broker?

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When you mention iTrade, do you mean iTrade CIMB?

It seems like they only have two ETF listing: CIMBC25 and CIMBA40. What are your thoughts on these two ETFs? It seems like one tracks 50 largests stocks in China and HK while the other tracks the 40 largest companies in several ASEAN countries.

Also, through your (or any other of you sifu's here) experience, are US Vanguard Index Fund/ETF available through local broker?
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er.. a) iTrade foreign investing platform has access to US ETFs leh

b) CIMBC25 & CIMBA40 = CIMB's own created ETFs (think Vanguard's VNI VTI etc in US) listed in KLSE & SGX

(a) vs (b) are different animals leh

eg of iTrade with Vanguard's VTI
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 20 2017, 08:47 AM)
2. TT fees - there are the sending local charges (if any) + US side receiving charges, usually about USD20 per transaction, regardless of amount.
5. For US - there's no capital gains tax but there is withholding tax of 30% on dividends for NRAs - non-resident aliens. Non-resident = not in US lor + aliens = not orang Trump tongue.gif

B. Learn how to juice your US stock investments with selling options WHILE "getting there".
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Didn't know that sifu. notworthy.gif

Too canggih already for me. rclxub.gif

QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 10:06 AM)
usd 5k pa with current exchange rate would translate to rm22500 pa. Looks like I'll have to double my salary before i can make us etf any worthwhile. sad.gif
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Not necessarily. Have a look at Turtle Investor

His allocation are as follow:
30% World ETF (VWRD)
30% STI (ES3)
30% SG Bond (A35)
10 S-REITS
Link to his http://www.turtleinvestor.net/asset-allocation/

How much is his cost? Only min SGD10/transaction or 0.2% (whichever is higher) as he use Standard Chartered SG as his broker. If you cannot get them, try getting Maybank KE. Also SGD10/transaction or 0.18% (whichever is higher). Both Standard Chartered SG and Maybank KE are custodian account which means they will keep your share, you don't have any rights to attend AGMs. You can also choose DBS Vickers SGD18/transaction or 0.18% (whichever is higher). Not sure how's the charge for LSE. But compare to the other 2 you are the owner of the sahres/ETFs that you buy. Is under your name. rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 04:52 PM)
Didn't know that sifu.  notworthy.gif

Too canggih already for me.  rclxub.gif
Not necessarily. Have a look at Turtle Investor

His allocation are as follow:
30% World ETF (VWRD)
30% STI (ES3)
30% SG Bond (A35)
10 S-REITS
Link to his http://www.turtleinvestor.net/asset-allocation/

How much is his cost? Only min SGD10/transaction or 0.2% (whichever is higher)  as he use Standard Chartered SG as his broker. If you cannot get them, try getting Maybank KE. Also SGD10/transaction or 0.18%  (whichever is higher). Both Standard Chartered SG and Maybank KE are custodian account which means they will keep your share, you don't have any rights to attend AGMs. You can also choose DBS Vickers SGD18/transaction or 0.18% (whichever is higher). Not sure how's the charge for LSE. But compare to the other 2 you are the owner of the sahres/ETFs that you buy. Is under your name.  rclxms.gif
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1. Can Malaysian open an account with Standard Chartered SG, Maybank KE or DBS Vickers? Do we need to have a Singaporean address or anything like that?
2. Does it mean that we do not directly own the shares bought through Standard Chartered SG and Maybank KE? What are the impact to us as the client when one is a custodian account while in the other, we own the shares other than having the rights to attend AGMs?
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1. Can Malaysian open an account with Standard Chartered SG, Maybank KE or DBS Vickers? Do we need to have a Singaporean address or anything like that?
2. Does it mean that we do not directly own the shares bought through Standard Chartered SG and Maybank KE? What are the impact to us as the client when one is a custodian account while in the other, we own the shares other than having the rights to attend AGMs?
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1. Standard Chartered SG is hard to open. Can give a try. No harm. Most likely unsuccessful. Maybank can be opened from Malaysia. DBS no problem but you need to convince them why you need a DBS bank account. Best is tell them you want a DBS Vickers. For their broker account, you have no choice but to head down to Singapore.
See this for more info: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1440794
IMHO, SG is still cheap compare to US as SG is still 3x our currency but US is already 4.5x our currency already. There's are complicated tax for SG unlike US. To fund it, just find the cheapest bank with the cheapest TT rate/bring cash over. Then use a SG bank which does not charge on incoming TT. After that just transfer using FAST (Singapore version of IBFT but FOC).

So you are just paying TT charges (RM10+ from malaysia side) + bank rates (which is not as cheap as bringing cash over) + brokerage fees. Heck, DBS Vickers told me I am excluded from their GST. rclxms.gif

2. Yes. That's right. The bad thing is in the event Standard Chartered SG, Maybank KE go kaput, your shares also go kaput. Other than that, you save on brokerage charges.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 05:37 PM)
So you are just paying TT charges (RM10+ from malaysia side) + bank rates (which is not as cheap as bringing cash over) + brokerage fees. Heck, DBS Vickers told me I am excluded from their GST.  rclxms.gif
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But if you factor in the cost to travel from Malaysia to Singapore, it might be more expensive than the bank rates? blink.gif

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 05:52 PM)
But if you factor in the cost to travel from Malaysia to Singapore, it might be more expensive than the bank rates?  blink.gif
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boy... u have waded into this "open accounts in sg to do fx and foreign stocks".

search... there are several threads on this, heavily discussed. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 05:52 PM)
But if you factor in the cost to travel from Malaysia to Singapore, it might be more expensive than the bank rates?  blink.gif
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Nope. One can save at least SGD60 by bringing cash over there provided the air ticket is RM59 and you are coming back by train. I calculated against the best bank TT rates. rclxms.gif
Downside: waste 2 days as train from SG > MY is at 2345.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 06:15 PM)
Nope. One can save at least SGD60 by bringing cash over there provided the air ticket is RM59 and you are coming back by train. I calculated against the best bank TT rates. rclxms.gif
Downside: waste 2 days as train from SG > MY is at 2345.
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Atm, I don't have the time to browse through the other threads, but are there people who actually do that?
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 11:00 AM)
Frankly, if u hv not traded at bursa, best not to get to foreign. Very easy to lose it all.
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Bro,.. I have not traded at Bursa,... Maybank Securities asked me not to bring my funds back ! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 06:15 PM)
Nope. One can save at least SGD60 by bringing cash over there provided the air ticket is RM59 and you are coming back by train. I calculated against the best bank TT rates. rclxms.gif
Downside: waste 2 days as train from SG > MY is at 2345.
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1) YES,... thumbsup.gif at most is you wasted the time.

2) You just lose on transport for once, then the moment you earn your first and second divvies, you would have covered this expense ! Then subsequent divvies will be for you to enjoy,...
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 05:37 PM)
1. Standard Chartered SG is hard to open. Can give a try. No harm. Most likely unsuccessful. Maybank can be opened from Malaysia. DBS no problem but you need to convince them why you need a DBS bank account. Best is tell them you want a DBS Vickers. For their broker account, you have no choice but to head down to Singapore.
See this for more info: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1440794
IMHO, SG is still cheap compare to US as SG is still 3x our currency but US is already 4.5x our currency already. There's are complicated tax for SG unlike US. To fund it, just find the cheapest bank with the cheapest TT rate/bring cash over. Then use a SG bank which does not charge on incoming TT. After that just transfer using FAST (Singapore version of IBFT but FOC).

So you are just paying TT charges (RM10+ from malaysia side) + bank rates (which is not as cheap as bringing cash over) + brokerage fees. Heck, DBS Vickers told me I am excluded from their GST.  rclxms.gif

2. Yes. That's right. The bad thing is in the event Standard Chartered SG, Maybank KE go kaput, your shares also go kaput. Other than that, you save on brokerage charges.
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Bro,.. are you sure of the above ?? I checked earlier and discovered the shares are kept with a trustee. Even if the custodian should wrap up, the beneficial ownership of the shreas still remained with the purchaser.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 06:28 PM)
Atm, I don't have the time to browse through the other threads, but are there people who actually do that?
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Yes. Our sifu Hansel does that + others. But if got no time, just TT. Don't use money changer because it could raise alarm bells with BNM and MAS. sad.gif I am planning to do that before I start work! bruce.gif


QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 20 2017, 07:14 PM)
Bro,.. I have not traded at Bursa,... Maybank Securities asked me not to bring my funds back !  biggrin.gif
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My mother's whose friend husband worked as banker at maybank suggeested:
1) buy gold as gold is priced in USD. It will "protect" your worth. tongue.gif
2) keep SGD/USD cold hard cash/or open a bank account in SG and keep cold hard cash there biggrin.gif rolleyes.gif


QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 20 2017, 07:16 PM)
1) YES,... thumbsup.gif at most is you wasted the time.

2) You just lose on transport for once, then the moment you earn your first and second divvies, you would have covered this expense ! Then subsequent divvies will be for you to enjoy,...
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Well will need to plan for times when no time to go down. Already planning for it... Since once I start working, I am not able to get leave for 4 years!!! sad.gif Right now ok la. Waiting for graduation/job offer. Can afford to fly down. Btw, what's the max one can deposit via their CDM? Is there any amount I need to be aware or it might set off alarm bells?

QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 20 2017, 07:19 PM)
Bro,.. are you sure of the above ?? I checked earlier and discovered the shares are kept with a trustee. Even if the custodian should wrap up, the beneficial ownership of the shreas still remained with the purchaser.
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According to few Singapore financial blogs. Saw it being mentioned by 2 different authors like that. They were talking about Standard Charted being custodian. WHy is not good.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 20 2017, 07:14 PM)
Bro,.. I have not traded at Bursa,... Maybank Securities asked me not to bring my funds back !  biggrin.gif
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U know what i mean...

U may not hv traded in bursa but u must hv traded as a "local" in sg or oz.

The poor guy.... only starting, jumping right into fx and foreign stocks... man.... can get killed easily.

And u hv others asking him to go to sg, do exotic stuff.

As one who has been thru losses, i understand the temptation to think one is so smart.




Not for u, for all., pls....

One's hard earned savings is blood sweat n tears.... may never make it back, will suffer.

Pls do not make it like eating nasi lemak or burgers.


Sorry for being grumpy... if u hv not seen the devil, u will not cry, so they say.

It takes a lot of work, time, patience and experience to make some profit from the desk.

If it is so easy, there will be no farmers or salespeople or politicians... all humans stocks n fx trading n do nothing else!




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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 08:22 PM)
U know what i mean...

U may not hv traded in bursa but u must hv traded as a "local" in sg or oz.

The poor guy.... only starting, jumping right into fx and foreign stocks... man.... can get killed easily.

And u hv others asking him to go to sg, do exotic stuff.

As one who has been thru losses, i understand the temptation to think one is so smart.
Not for u, for all., pls....

One's hard earned savings is blood sweat n tears.... may never make it back, will suffer.

Pls do not make it like eating nasi lemak or burgers.
Sorry for being grumpy...  if u hv  not seen the devil, u will not cry, so they say.

It takes a lot of work, time, patience and experience to make some profit from the desk.

If it is so easy, there will be no farmers or salespeople or politicians...  all humans stocks n fx trading n do nothing else!
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Fully agreed with these statements. thumbsup.gif That's why I am trying learn as much as possible in shortest time. One more thing, seeing your currency drop by 6.xx% pa can also make you cry.gif cry.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 08:22 PM)
U know what i mean...

U may not hv traded in bursa but u must hv traded as a "local" in sg or oz.

The poor guy.... only starting, jumping right into fx and foreign stocks... man.... can get killed easily.

And u hv others asking him to go to sg, do exotic stuff.

As one who has been thru losses, i understand the temptation to think one is so smart.
Not for u, for all., pls....

One's hard earned savings is blood sweat n tears.... may never make it back, will suffer.

Pls do not make it like eating nasi lemak or burgers.
Sorry for being grumpy...  if u hv  not seen the devil, u will not cry, so they say.

It takes a lot of work, time, patience and experience to make some profit from the desk.

If it is so easy, there will be no farmers or salespeople or politicians...  all humans stocks n fx trading n do nothing else!
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i'll be the devil's advocate here heheh.

The best way to learn "to swim is to be thrown into the deep blue sea".
With losses happening when younger and with LESS $ to lose VS when one is older, the long term impact, if one doesn't give up & keeps learning + doing,
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those skeddy cat until older, then gungho go in.

Definitely the "IF willing to get back on the horse" is the make or break in any bad situation laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 08:03 PM)
Yes. Our sifu Hansel does that + others. But if got no time, just TT. Don't use money changer because it could raise alarm bells with BNM and MAS.  sad.gif I am planning to do that before I start work!  bruce.gif
My mother's whose friend husband worked as banker at maybank suggeested:
1) buy gold as gold is priced in USD. It will "protect" your worth.  tongue.gif
2) keep SGD/USD cold hard cash/or open a bank account in SG and keep cold hard cash there  biggrin.gif  rolleyes.gif
Well will need to plan for times when no time to go down. Already planning for it...  Since once I start working, I am not able to get leave for 4 years!!!  sad.gif Right now ok la. Waiting for graduation/job offer. Can afford to fly down. Btw, what's the max one can deposit via their CDM? Is there any amount I need to be aware or it might set off alarm bells?
According to few Singapore financial blogs. Saw it being mentioned by 2 different authors like that. They were talking about Standard Charted being custodian. WHy is not good.
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Bro and bros,... I think we are,.. relatively,.. smaller players,.. not worthy for our central bank to go after,... so, I think, no need to waste time being too careful,... it'll be an overkill. Furthremore, even if we bring down or out more than USD10K per trip per person,.. I think nobody will notice lar,... provided we don't do it long term.

Bro,.. your mother's friend's husband is not totally right ! See below for counter-comments :-

1) buy gold as gold is priced in USD. It will "protect" your worth. tongue.gif

Counter-comments : Gold has no income tied to it. Owning gold makes one wait for appreciation. If you keep the gold at home, either the thieves or the MACC will come and search you out. If you noticed those who are raided by the MACC, they will have gold either in their hse, or in their office or at the kampung hse.

2) keep SGD/USD cold hard cash/or open a bank account in SG and keep cold hard cash there.

Counter-comments : Keeping SGD/USD cold hard cash at home ? This banker must have advised those people caught by the MACC.... biggrin.gif Everytime the MACC raided some suspect's house, surely they will find foreign currency cash in the house. biggrin.gif SOmeitmes it's good also that MAS restricts Msians opening accounts, then these people will not be able to siphon the funds out so easily anymore.

Keeping cold hard cash in a bank account in Sgp ? Earning the FD there ? Well,... everybody knows he interest rate there. biggrin.gif

I think 'better I become the banker'.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 08:29 PM)
Fully agreed with these statements.  thumbsup.gif  That's why I am trying learn as much as possible in shortest time. One more thing, seeing your currency drop by 6.xx% pa can also make you  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Frankly,... if our RM is not as it is,.. we really don't need to think abt investing outside !

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 08:22 PM)
U know what i mean...

U may not hv traded in bursa but u must hv traded as a "local" in sg or oz.

The poor guy.... only starting, jumping right into fx and foreign stocks... man.... can get killed easily.

And u hv others asking him to go to sg, do exotic stuff.

As one who has been thru losses, i understand the temptation to think one is so smart.
Not for u, for all., pls....

One's hard earned savings is blood sweat n tears.... may never make it back, will suffer.

Pls do not make it like eating nasi lemak or burgers.
Sorry for being grumpy...  if u hv  not seen the devil, u will not cry, so they say.

It takes a lot of work, time, patience and experience to make some profit from the desk.

If it is so easy, there will be no farmers or salespeople or politicians...  all humans stocks n fx trading n do nothing else!
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I understand what you said bro,... but I still stand on the position that one must still try, but try carefully !
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 08:22 PM)
U know what i mean...

U may not hv traded in bursa but u must hv traded as a "local" in sg or oz.

The poor guy.... only starting, jumping right into fx and foreign stocks... man.... can get killed easily.

And u hv others asking him to go to sg, do exotic stuff.

As one who has been thru losses, i understand the temptation to think one is so smart.
Not for u, for all., pls....

One's hard earned savings is blood sweat n tears.... may never make it back, will suffer.

Pls do not make it like eating nasi lemak or burgers.
Sorry for being grumpy...  if u hv  not seen the devil, u will not cry, so they say.

It takes a lot of work, time, patience and experience to make some profit from the desk.

If it is so easy, there will be no farmers or salespeople or politicians...  all humans stocks n fx trading n do nothing else!
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I understand that earning through investing/trading is anything but simple. I would like to think that I am not greedy and do not look to make quick money, else I would definitely be in forex and actual stock trading.

However, everytime I research on methods to investing, I come across many who would recommended investing long term in index funds, particularly vanguard funds even for your everyday average joe/jane. Most of them mentioned that index funds:
1. In the long term would provide decent returns. Nothing too fancy, amazing nor terrible which is what I am looking for.
2. In the long term, it is rather stable due to their diversification (Equity across the whole US economy and the whole world's economy + Bonds which covers the whole US economy)
3. In the long term, if one can weather the major dips and not pull out, eventually after many years it will eventually recover. Whereas, one may stand the chance lose all their money in other types of investment.

All these points mentioned by other websites recommending Index funds make it sounds like it is something which one can buy and be relatively comfortable that it is quite unlikely to lose all their investment in the event of a major financial crisis, provided one can weather the downturn period and not pullout. That is why it seems quite interesting to me.

The only downside and blocker at the moment is the fact that I am earning in MYR which translate to the huge sum which is required in order to make the investment worthwhile be it through a US or SG brokerage.

I do acknowledge that there are risks involved by investing in index funds, although I may not be able to properly size/feel it due to my inexperience. Like you have mentioned "if u hv not seen the devil, u will not cry".

However, at the moment, I can only think of three major risks with regards to investing in Vanguard index fund ETF. Please do enlightened me on any other risks of investing in Vanguard index fund ETF. notworthy.gif
1. MYR/USD forex fluctuation.
2. Risk of fees eating up profit if investments amount is too small.
3. US & World economy downturn (though, wouldn't this also affect other funds/investment types in other countries to an extent?)

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 20 2017, 08:42 PM)
Bro and bros,... I think we are,.. relatively,.. smaller players,.. not worthy for our central bank to go after,... so, I think, no need to waste time being too careful,... it'll be an overkill. Furthremore, even if we bring down or out more than USD10K per trip per person,.. I think nobody will notice lar,... provided we don't do it long term.

Bro,.. your mother's friend's husband is not totally right ! See below for counter-comments :-

1) buy gold as gold is priced in USD. It will "protect" your worth.  tongue.gif

Counter-comments : Gold has no income tied to it. Owning gold makes one wait for appreciation. If you keep the gold at home, either the thieves or the MACC will come and search you out. If you noticed those who are raided by the MACC, they will have gold either in their hse, or in their office or at the kampung hse.

2) keep SGD/USD cold hard cash/or open a bank account in SG and keep cold hard cash there.

Counter-comments :  Keeping SGD/USD cold hard cash at home ? This banker must have advised those people caught by the MACC.... biggrin.gif Everytime the MACC raided some suspect's house, surely they will find foreign currency cash in the house.  biggrin.gif SOmeitmes it's good also that MAS restricts Msians opening accounts, then these people will not be able to siphon the funds out so easily anymore.

Keeping cold hard cash in a bank account in Sgp ? Earning the FD there ? Well,... everybody knows he interest rate there.  biggrin.gif

I think 'better I become the banker'.
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Well I think the advise his for those people who scared to lose money/take risk.
(i) Keeping gold (paper gold - because works in maybank - either business must be bad until need to promote or something else...) because he believe RM will slide further.
(ii) Your normal malaysian folks really want to go though all the hassle of opening account in Singapore? I don't think so. Those people will just buy cold hard cash and keep.

QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 08:52 PM)
I understand that earning through investing/trading is anything but simple. I would like to think that I am not greedy and do not look to make quick money, else I would definitely be in forex and actual stock trading.

However, everytime I research on methods to investing, I come across many who would recommended investing long term in index funds, particularly vanguard funds even for your everyday average joe/jane. Most of them mentioned that index funds:
1. In the long term would provide decent returns. Nothing too fancy, amazing nor terrible which is what I am looking for.
2. In the long term, it is rather stable due to their diversification (Equity across the whole US economy and the whole world's economy + Bonds which covers the whole US economy)
3. In the long term, if one can weather the major dips and not pull out, eventually after many years it will eventually recover. Whereas, one may stand the chance lose all their money in other types of investment.

All these points mentioned by other websites recommending Index funds make it sounds like it is something which one can buy and be relatively comfortable that it is quite unlikely to lose all their investment in the event of a major financial crisis, provided one can weather the downturn period and not pullout. That is why it seems quite interesting to me.

The only downside and blocker at the moment is the fact that I am earning in MYR which translate to the huge sum which is required in order to make the investment worthwhile be it through a US or SG brokerage.

I do acknowledge that there are risks involved by investing in index funds, although I may not be able to properly size/feel it due to my inexperience. Like you have mentioned "if u hv not seen the devil, u will not cry".

However, at the moment, I can only think of three major risks with regards to investing in Vanguard index fund ETF. Please do enlightened me on any other risks of investing in Vanguard index fund ETF.  notworthy.gif
1. MYR/USD forex fluctuation.
2. Risk of fees eating up profit if investments amount is too small.
3. US & World economy downturn (though, wouldn't this also affect other funds/investment types in other countries to an extent?)
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Investing in index is not popular in Malaysia. Why?
1) The UT industry in Malaysia will make sure ETFs are not within the normal Malaysian reach as it will eat into their rice bowl.
2) We have not nice ETF (KLCI) and since we have no demand, foreign companies will not want to sell their product here.

When you research, those articles are written by white people who have access to index fund. We Malaysian don't have that. Even our neighbors Singapore are just discovering index fund.

And trading usually requires insider info. Cause the person who sells/buy first are usually those with info. However, if you are keeping for long term, then it's ok. Occasional trading should not be a problem.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 08:52 PM)
I understand that earning through investing/trading is anything but simple. I would like to think that I am not greedy and do not look to make quick money, else I would definitely be in forex and actual stock trading.

However, everytime I research on methods to investing, I come across many who would recommended investing long term in index funds, particularly vanguard funds even for your everyday average joe/jane. Most of them mentioned that index funds:
1. In the long term would provide decent returns. Nothing too fancy, amazing nor terrible which is what I am looking for.
2. In the long term, it is rather stable due to their diversification (Equity across the whole US economy and the whole world's economy + Bonds which covers the whole US economy)
3. In the long term, if one can weather the major dips and not pull out, eventually after many years it will eventually recover. Whereas, one may stand the chance lose all their money in other types of investment.

All these points mentioned by other websites recommending Index funds make it sounds like it is something which one can buy and be relatively comfortable that it is quite unlikely to lose all their investment in the event of a major financial crisis, provided one can weather the downturn period and not pullout. That is why it seems quite interesting to me.

The only downside and blocker at the moment is the fact that I am earning in MYR which translate to the huge sum which is required in order to make the investment worthwhile be it through a US or SG brokerage.

I do acknowledge that there are risks involved by investing in index funds, although I may not be able to properly size/feel it due to my inexperience. Like you have mentioned "if u hv not seen the devil, u will not cry".

However, at the moment, I can only think of three major risks with regards to investing in Vanguard index fund ETF. Please do enlightened me on any other risks of investing in Vanguard index fund ETF.  notworthy.gif
1. MYR/USD forex fluctuation.
2. Risk of fees eating up profit if investments amount is too small.
3. US & World economy downturn (though, wouldn't this also affect other funds/investment types in other countries to an extent?)
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if u are really a novice in investing, then u hv a good mind and attitude, imo.

i can't comment on "vanguard index funds" becos there are at at least 25 of such funds:
http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/mutual-fund/top25largest

and those are US based, $ based. i would not put all in them but over a variety of markets, currencies and types - diversification is impt.



yes, the world is round... nothing is ever the same. more so with fast tech now, cycles are shorter, reactions in seconds rather than hours or days.

what i can say... something close to my own learning over the years...

one's "investing lifespan" is maybe... 30 years? the time you start to earn and save enough till the time u have no fulltime job... say 30 to 60...?

30 years will invariably see at least 2-3 cycles of boom, recession, (maybe superboom or depression) in stocks, real estate, gold, commodities, fx, etc. - foreign or domestic. over 30 years, one will never get it right all the time for all cycles. the key is to be able to spot a couple of cycles correctly and with some "luck", ride on them when they occur. ride on the disasters, u lose big time, never to recover. and too old, run of out time.

if one is able to have success in more cycles than in failures, that's enough.

to be an overall winner over 30 years is to be an angel, good enough... no need to be god! biggrin.gif

of course, the conservative ones can stay in savings and fd, only to be oblivious to what happened, which is OK too.



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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 09:20 PM)
Investing in index is not popular in Malaysia. Why?
1) The UT industry in Malaysia will make sure ETFs are not within the normal Malaysian reach as it will eat into their rice bowl.
2) We have not nice ETF (KLCI) and since we have no demand, foreign companies will not want to sell their product here.

When you research, those articles are written by white people who have access to index fund. We Malaysian don't have that. Even our neighbors Singapore are just discovering index fund.

That was why my inquiries so far are about foreign brokers like TDAA (although I gather that this may not be the best choice in certain situations if compared to IB) and also about foreign ETF (which someone earlier pointed out that Ireland domiciled ETF may be a better choice compared to US domiciled). Which some has pointed out the downsides if the investment sum is too small vs fees incurred, plus forex fluctuation (although I am not looking to flip for profit overnight).

And trading usually requires insider info. Cause the person who sells/buy first are usually those with info. However, if you are keeping for long term, then it's ok. Occasional trading should not be a problem.

I am not looking at trading at all. I'm looking to buy a diverse portfolio as suggested by many of these websites and some users in this forum. I just do not have the luxury of time to be too focused on trading.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 09:25 PM)
if u are really a novice in investing, then u hv a good mind and attitude, imo.

i can't comment on "vanguard index funds" becos there are at at least 25 of such funds:
http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/mutual-fund/top25largest

and those are US based, $ based. i would not put all in them but over a variety of markets, currencies and types - diversification is impt.
yes, the world is round... nothing is ever the same. more so with fast tech now, cycles are shorter, reactions in seconds rather than hours or days.

what i can say... something close to my own learning over the years...

one's "investing lifespan" is maybe... 30 years? the time you start to earn and save enough till the time u have no fulltime job... say 30 to 60...?

30 years will invariably see at least 2-3 cycles of boom, recession, (maybe superboom or depression) in stocks, real estate, gold, commodities, fx, etc. - foreign or domestic. over 30 years, one will never get it right all the time for all cycles. the key is to be able to spot a couple of cycles correctly and with some "luck", ride on them when they occur. ride on the disasters, u lose big time, never to recover. and too old, run of out time.

if one is able to have success in more cycles than in failures, that's enough.

to be an overall winner over 30 years is to be an angel, good enough... no need to be god! biggrin.gif

of course, the conservative ones can stay in savings and fd, only to be oblivious to what happened, which is OK too.
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Usually, articles that I come across advocate for a mixture of Total Bond Market ETF (BND), Total Stock Market ETF (VTI) and Total International Stock ETF (VXUS).

Although I the devil in me is telling me that S&P 500 ETF (VOO) returns are quite tempting. However, I am staying away from it at the moment since I do not fully understand the risks that may come with VOO.

These same articles would also always mentioned that timing the market is not the point for the type of investment that they're advocating. The majority of the work would be in the annual/trigger re-balancing or the occasional topping up whenever there's extra funds at hand.

Over many years, this would provide a stable platform for a decent return only if one has the discipline (and not be greedy) and ability to weather any downturn so as to not withdraw during those times. Which is what my goal is: a stable and decent return.
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If that's the case, follow Turtle Investor. He can sleep well even if al the markets are in red zone.  smile.gif 30-30-30-10 allocation.
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I agree with his method, which is similar to other articles which I have read.

The part which I have to figure out now is the forex rate (since I'm earning in MYR) and the recommended investment sum to ensure that the fees (tt, commission, etc) not eat up my profit and make the investment useless (which a few of you have provided some insights be in through local, SG or US brokerage) notworthy.gif
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Wow, this thread's been busy today!

I think the easiest way to make a decision is just to list down the few different scenarios (ie. local, TDAA/IB, SG Broker) taking into account all the different costs and what the end result is.
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Also, perhaps fire fire aim?
ie just do it with a local brokerage first, after a few years, if want to move to TDAA or IB, can move leh

that's what i did with my US stocks with iTrade tongue.gif

there's no such thing as perfection except perfectly dead.
things change, new options pop-up, etc.
thus, shouldnt wait for all planets to align - only caveat, please have an emergency fund else one may need to rob one's investments at the wrong time. been there, done that - feel stupid, thus... tongue.gif
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Wow, this thread's been busy today!

I think the easiest way to make a decision is just to list down the few different scenarios (ie. local, TDAA/IB, SG Broker) taking into account all the different costs and what the end result is.
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agreed. That's what I am planning to do over the next few days (or week maybe XD pardon my tardiness).

Although the result may indicate that foreign index fund may be out of my reach at the moment due to the required investment sum when converted from MYR, at least I'll have a sound knowledge of the numbers around it
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Also, perhaps fire fire aim?
ie just do it with a local brokerage first, after a few years, if want to move to TDAA or IB, can move leh

that's what i did with my US stocks with iTrade tongue.gif

there's no such thing as perfection except perfectly dead.
things change, new options pop-up, etc.
thus, shouldnt wait for all planets to align - only caveat, please have an emergency fund else one may need to rob one's investments at the wrong time. been there, done that - feel stupid, thus... tongue.gif
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Emergency fund is already ready although it is only a year's worth compared to what others advocated for of two years' worth. May eventually try to target two years worth but slowly.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 09:48 PM)
I agree with his method, which is similar to other articles which I have read.

The part which I have to figure out now is the forex rate (since I'm earning in MYR) and the recommended investment sum to ensure that the fees (tt, commission, etc) not eat up my profit and make the investment useless (which a few of you have provided some insights be in through local, SG or US brokerage)  notworthy.gif
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agreed. That's what I am planning to do over the next few days (or week maybe XD pardon my tardiness).

Although the result may indicate that foreign index fund may be out of my reach at the moment due to the required investment sum when converted from MYR, at least I'll have a sound knowledge of the numbers around it
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Well for SG part, if you are planning to pay say SGD18/transaction, the min you should go for is SGD4k. That will be about 0.4%+ (0.4% is I am using DBS V, the "+" is other clearing fees). Of course, best is if you can put in SGD10k which is equal to 0.18% but heck SGD10k is too steep for me. So I decide to go with the next best one which I can afford; SGD4k.

Also since I don't the money for access to Ireland based ETF, I will go with the SG UT: Fidelity America A USD. Pay 0.75% (one time payment - each time you buy only) which manage to beat the S&P500. One does not need a global ETF as from what I learnt in the FSM MY thread, global index have about 50-70% in the US market. SC of 0.75% is damn cheap compare to 2% by FSM MY and SG UT outperform funds sold by Malaysians fund house.

You might want to look into that aspect too. If you want to talk about all the fees, that's already counted in the NAVs already. That will be my substitute until I have enough cash.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 10:16 PM)
Well for SG part, if you are planning to pay say SGD18/transaction, the min you should go for is SGD4k. That will be about 0.4%+ (0.4% is I am using DBS V, the "+" is other clearing fees). Of course, best is if you can put in SGD10k which is equal to 0.18% but heck SGD10k is too steep for me. So I decide to go with the next best one which I can afford; SGD4k.

Also since I don't the money for access to Ireland based ETF, I will go with the SG UT: Fidelity America A USD. Pay 0.75% (one time payment - each time you buy only) which manage to beat the S&P500. One does not need a global ETF as from what I learnt in the FSM MY thread, global index have about 50-70% in the US market. SC of 0.75% is damn cheap compare to 2% by FSM MY and SG UT outperform funds sold by Malaysians fund house.

You might want to look into that aspect too. If you want to talk about all the fees, that's already counted in the NAVs already. That will be my substitute until I have enough cash.
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Very helpful information. Thank you notworthy.gif

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if u are really a novice in investing, then u hv a good mind and attitude, imo.
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Actually, i feel that I am more of the pessimistic and cowardly investor-to-be. The fear of losing all my hard-earned money is larger than the temptation to make big money from investments/trading. Which in turn, make me take much longer than others to get started in investing. Currently all my money is dependent on the paltry Fd interest rates. tongue.gif
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Actually, i feel that I am more of the pessimistic and cowardly investor-to-be. The fear of losing all my hard-earned money is larger than the temptation to make big money from investments/trading. Which in turn, make me take much longer than others to get started in investing. Currently all my money is dependent on the paltry Fd interest rates. tongue.gif
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a lot has to do with yr age and whose money u r talking about! biggrin.gif

a young man can lose everything but has the time to find more in the next 30 years.

old folks... lose it, u r finished.

nasi and kangkung u get for every meal... which is good, they tell u. tongue.gif

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a lot has to do with yr age and whose money u r talking about! biggrin.gif

a young man can lose everything but has the time to find more in the next 30 years.

old folks... lose it, u r finished.

nasi and kangkung u get for every meal... which is good, they tell u. tongue.gif
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I'm am relatively young but my mind is like a old man's.
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I'm am relatively young but my mind is like a old man's.
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then get started.

can't learn unless u dive in.

your own experience n lessons is worth many times more than books or OPC - other people's comments.
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Regarding AVFANs earlier comment RE risk - if you're like me and just planning to buy boring buy and hold ETFs you can't really blow it too badly.

If you're starting off with $10k USD and jumping into leveraged or inverse ETFs or leveraged forex and options then yes.. that's definitely risky.

As default you only get permissions with foreign brokers for stocks / ETFs anyway.
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Regarding AVFANs earlier comment RE risk - if you're like me and just planning to buy boring buy and hold ETFs you can't really blow it too badly.

I'm more of this

If you're starting off with $10k USD and jumping into leveraged or inverse ETFs or leveraged forex and options then yes.. that's definitely risky.

And definitely not this. Too coward with the risks.

As default you only get permissions with foreign brokers for stocks / ETFs anyway.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 10:01 AM)
1. It's just an assumption for me to get a feel of the numbers. Whether it's tdaa or ib I'll just need to adjust the numbers to reflect accordingly.
3. I got that value from the first post where it's stayed that roughly the total tt charges would be around usd 50. That rm10 is just charges by local banks. I would assume that there might be some charges by receiving and intermediate banks in us.
5. I thought as nra, were eligible to get a 15% deduction on the wt if we fill up some form by every April? Well,I suppose that is still some extra work compared to buying Ireland domiciled etf.

Tbh, 30k would be close to what i earn yearly. I supposed us etf is just out of my reach atm.

Thanks for your feedback.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 10:10 AM)
actually, I have the usd10k now for my initial investment. However, it took me four years to save up due to the increase in exchange rates.

That means if I were to go ahead, I can only buy once now, save up another four years then only top up. I supposed this wouldn't be advisable? Or is my understanding wrong?
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That the mistake u make. u want to make perfect timing.
If u invest during USD1 = RM4.
Now u already gain. USD 1 = RM4.5
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QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 21 2017, 07:24 PM)
u can borrow personal loan to trade and earn much more compare to personal loan interest rate.
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And what happen if you make a loss? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 21 2017, 07:24 PM)
u can borrow personal loan to trade and earn much more compare to personal loan interest rate.
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That's a pretty bad idea

Anyway if you really want to take risk, can trade on margin account or leveraged products.

Anyway he's asking about buying low risk ETFs to hold for the long term not making a quick buck trading.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 20 2017, 08:52 PM)
I understand that earning through investing/trading is anything but simple. I would like to think that I am not greedy and do not look to make quick money, else I would definitely be in forex and actual stock trading.

However, everytime I research on methods to investing, I come across many who would recommended investing long term in index funds, particularly vanguard funds even for your everyday average joe/jane. Most of them mentioned that index funds:
1. In the long term would provide decent returns. Nothing too fancy, amazing nor terrible which is what I am looking for.
2. In the long term, it is rather stable due to their diversification (Equity across the whole US economy and the whole world's economy + Bonds which covers the whole US economy)
3. In the long term, if one can weather the major dips and not pull out, eventually after many years it will eventually recover. Whereas, one may stand the chance lose all their money in other types of investment.

All these points mentioned by other websites recommending Index funds make it sounds like it is something which one can buy and be relatively comfortable that it is quite unlikely to lose all their investment in the event of a major financial crisis, provided one can weather the downturn period and not pullout. That is why it seems quite interesting to me.

The only downside and blocker at the moment is the fact that I am earning in MYR which translate to the huge sum which is required in order to make the investment worthwhile be it through a US or SG brokerage.

I do acknowledge that there are risks involved by investing in index funds, although I may not be able to properly size/feel it due to my inexperience. Like you have mentioned "if u hv not seen the devil, u will not cry".

However, at the moment, I can only think of three major risks with regards to investing in Vanguard index fund ETF. Please do enlightened me on any other risks of investing in Vanguard index fund ETF.  notworthy.gif
1. MYR/USD forex fluctuation.
2. Risk of fees eating up profit if investments amount is too small.
3. US & World economy downturn (though, wouldn't this also affect other funds/investment types in other countries to an extent?)
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Which broker u go with?
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u can borrow personal loan to trade and earn much more compare to personal loan interest rate.
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Like I said earlier. I am scaredy cat. My guts cannot stomach such anxiety that comes with such investment/trading.

QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 21 2017, 07:25 PM)
That the mistake u make. u want to make perfect timing.
If u invest during USD1 = RM4.
Now u already gain. USD 1 = RM4.5
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Bro, I don't have the money previously, how to invest? I would have loved to have invested back when USD 1 = MYR 2.9 but still no funds also la. cry.gif

Then again, you're basing on hindsight. What if you expect MYR to strengthen in the future but instead it weaken further to USD 1 = MYR 5++? What if it stabilizes at USD 1 = MYR4.5 for the next few years? Then do you keep on waiting forever? I thought this is where the concept of DCA comes into play? Maybe the delta between the current forex rate and future might be rather big that infrequent DCA wouldn't be much of a help.

I don't know, since all these are things that I've read only and not actually experiencing it. Maybe those who have actual experience can chip in on their experience on how this will affect anything if the plan is for long term holding. Just do note, I am not looking for short term gains nor am I looking into actual forex trading.

QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 21 2017, 07:36 PM)
Which broker u go with?
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At the moment, I have not started with any broker. Still trying to get a feel of what each brokerage fee's and T&C are like before delving any deeper since local brokers have some sort of minimum trade requirement in order to avoid some fee on the divident or something (see, I still have to study more. So many things still in the gray area to me). If you have any recommendation, I would be very happy to listen. So far, in this thread, people have discussed foreign: TDAA, IB, DBS V, Standard Chartered SG and Maybank KE; local: iTrade, HLeB. (I think I've got them all here but then again, I may have missed a few)

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 21 2017, 08:07 PM)
Like I said earlier. I am scaredy cat. My guts cannot stomach such anxiety that comes with such investment/trading.
Don't worry. People like us also won't perform that badly nor will us perform that good biggrin.gif Slow and steady.
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One does not need a global ETF as from what I learnt in the FSM MY thread, global index have about 50-70% in the US market.
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I just remembered something regarding this point that you've brought up. The VXUS ETF is actually exclusive of USD. The argument for it is, in the case of a downturn which affects US greatly, but not other parts of the world, this ETF will serve as kind of a hedge (I'm not sure if this is the right term, all of them are still rather vague to me). Though, looking at their performance, it seems rather unattractive with a CAGR of 1.++% since their inception. VXUS Performance

Though, how likely is this situation where US is greatly affected, but not the rest of the world? E.g. 2008. Would the sifu here enlighten me. I was rather oblivious to the world financial situation during that period but I had the impression that the effect was pretty much global.

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Please share your results of calculations here if you manage to compare foreign vs local etc. Will probably come in useful for others looking at this route too.

From what I looked at in the past with larger amounts IB always works out the cheapest but probably not suitable for those with smaller accounts especially once you factor in the charges for inactivity / data etc.
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I slap together a quick calculation regarding forex fluctuation (or actually MYR strengthening continuously).

Please have a look and comment. Do keep in mind that I may have left out some details or overlooked some factors. So do point them out and maybe I can improve the sheet to reflect reality better. It's really just a very crude calculation.

Conclusion from it is that if the USD/MYR were to go from 4.5 to 3.5 at the end of the 10 years:
1. If you invest more at every four year interval, you'll be getting less 1.6% of your CAGR. (Four years is based on my personal capability to cough up USD10,000, may be different for you)
2. If you invest only once, then it's 2.6%. Probably this is rather big.

So if you can wait it out so that the MYR weakens closer to the value when you've invested, you may be able to reduce the percentage.

Simulating the continuous strengthening of Malaysian Ringgit over the next 10 years.

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 21 2017, 08:53 PM)
I just remembered something regarding this point that you've brought up. The VXUS ETF is actually exclusive of USD. The argument for it is, in the case of a downturn which affects US greatly, but not other parts of the world, this ETF will serve as kind of a hedge (I'm not sure if this is the right term, all of them are still rather vague to me).

Though, how likely is this situation where US is greatly affected, but not the rest of the world? E.g. 2008. Would the sifu here enlighten me. I was rather oblivious to the world financial situation during that period but I had the impression that the effect was pretty much global.
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Usually global index have 50-70% allocation in the US. So that way, it's better to just pick a US ETF (like VUSD https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/VUSD:LN instead of picking VWRD. Don't believe me? Check out the geographic allocation of VWRD.
https://americas.vanguard.com/institutional...QUITY##overview

When US sneezes, the world catches a cold.

So you can pick
1 US tracking ETF
1 Emerging market ETF
1 bond ETF

optional - portfolio of REITs.

QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 21 2017, 09:21 PM)
I slap together a quick calculation regarding forex fluctuation (or actually MYR strengthening continuously).

Please have a look and comment. Do keep in mind that I may have left out some details or overlooked some factors. So do point them out and maybe I can improve the sheet to reflect reality better. It's really just a very crude calculation.

Conclusion from it is that if the USD/MYR were to go from 4.5 to 3.5 at the end of the 10 years:
1. If you invest more at every four year interval, you'll be getting less 1.4% of your CAGR. (Four years is based on my personal capability to cough up USD10,000, may be different for you)
2. If you invest only once, then it's 2.6%. Probably this is rather big.

So if you can wait it out so that the MYR weakens closer to the value when you've invested, you may be able to reduce the percentage.

Simulating the continuous strengthening of Malaysian Ringgit over the next 10 years.
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What happen if MYR weakens to 5? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 21 2017, 09:25 PM)
Usually global index have 50-70% allocation in the US. So that way, it's better to just pick a US ETF (like VUSD https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/VUSD:LN instead of picking VWRD. Don't believe me? Check out the geographic allocation of VWRD.
https://americas.vanguard.com/institutional...QUITY##overview

When US sneezes, the world catches a cold.

So you can pick
1 US tracking ETF
1 Emerging market ETF
1 bond ETF

optional - portfolio of REITs.
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Does anyone here goes with the Warren Buffet suggestion of 90% S&P Index like VOO and 10% short term bond? Either way, what are your thoughts on this?
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Does anyone here goes with the Warren Buffet suggestion of 90% S&P Index like VOO and 10% short term bond? Either way, what are your thoughts on this?
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For me, I prefer the 3 or 4 fund method. But my SG portfolio (including my S-REITS and UT) will have more than that. sweat.gif drool.gif 90% in S&P500 is bad idea cause if something happen to the US, your amount drops by 90%. Wipe out just like that.

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 21 2017, 09:27 PM)
Does anyone here goes with the Warren Buffet suggestion of 90% S&P Index like VOO and 10% short term bond? Either way, what are your thoughts on this?
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I go with a mixture of a few ETFs (LSE traded) but 0% Bonds right now as still fairly cash heavy. This year has been a busy one so haven't really touched anything in a while
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Then your initial investment untung lor. But subsequent purchase will be more painful when converting.

At intervals of 4.5, 4.75 and 5. You tend to get more additional 0.6% from the exchange rate rate. Though, these are probably too idealized calculation.
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Actually, if the MYR weakens continuously until you cash out from the investment, your returns in MYR will be higher than the CAGR returns of the index ETF. Question is, past a certain point of weakening, how will it affect job availability in Malaysia and if it does affect, will any of us be one of those that got retrenched. Then you won't have money to pump into the investment anyway to bother. hmm.gif

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For me, I prefer the 3 or 4 fund method. But my SG portfolio (including my S-REITS and UT) will have more than that.  sweat.gif  drool.gif 90% in S&P500 is bad idea cause if something happen to the US, your amount drops by 90%. Wipe out just like that.
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Will the S&P index itself not recover eventually in the long term? How likely is for 500 companies/stocks to go kaput at once? I agree that it is rather risky, but is 500 companies diversified enough/or not? Quite interesting questions to ponder upon actually.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 21 2017, 09:30 PM)
For me, I prefer the 3 or 4 fund method. But my SG portfolio (including my S-REITS and UT) will have more than that.  sweat.gif  drool.gif 90% in S&P500 is bad idea cause if something happen to the US, your amount drops by 90%. Wipe out just like that.
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Btw, this VXUS - https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/snap...ndId=3369#tab=1 is all world but does not include US. Then again, like I said earlier, their performance is really low at the moment.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 21 2017, 09:40 PM)
Btw, this VXUS - https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/snap...ndId=3369#tab=1 is all world but does not include US. Then again, like I said earlier, their performance is really low at the moment.
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For a global fund, best to have US. You can look at the FSM MY thread regarding global funds why US is important.

These are some world index ETF
https://www.msci.com/world - MSCI World Index
https://americas.vanguard.com/institutional...QUITY##overview -VWRD

The world economy is usually resolve around US and it's policy. So if I am going for a world index, I will pick one with US exposure, then pick n ETF/UT which can beat the emerging market/asia pacific index.



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3. Who holds the stocks? CDP or Custodian
This is generally a non-issue because most brokerage firms allow you to hold your stocks with the CDP. What this means is that while you buy and sell stocks through most firms, the stocks themselves are held by you. Currently, only two brokerage firms – Standard Chartered and SAXO Capital Markets – hold your stocks in custodian accounts. What this means is the custodian account (e.g. Standard Chartered) owns the stocks on your behalf.

This also means that they have certain rights over stocks that you have bought. Furthermore, on the very slim chance that the firm goes bankrupt, you will lose all your stocks because it is technically not in your name.
http://blog.moneysmart.sg/invest/how-to-de...s-best-for-you/

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4. Cessation Of The Custodian Will Not Affect Your Holdings

According to SCB, in the event of the cessation of custodian account service, the Bank would return the stocks back to the investors, or transfer it to another agent of client’s choice. Therefore, you should not be so worried about your stocks holding if the brokerage firm were to close down (although you really should be choosing a reputable one in the first place).
http://dollarsandsense.sg/7947-2/

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 21 2017, 09:40 PM)
Btw, this VXUS - https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/snap...ndId=3369#tab=1 is all world but does not include US. Then again, like I said earlier, their performance is really low at the moment.
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there is no fund or currency or broker or method that will give u consistently the highest returns after buying it.

there are risks in ALL of them over time if they are equities - geopolitical, financial, currency, sector, stock specific.

some of the "world" or "international" etf's are so rojak in weightage, geopolitics, currency, taxation that it is difficult to have a handle on them, can't even understand why it is up or down!

in the final analysis, one has to come to a conclusion, take a position on what u think is best and go with it.

.. global equities environment - if u think USA equities will continue to drive world markets higher, go for the largest and most liquid US ETF's. SPY is S&P500; XLF is all US banks/finance; QQQ is all US tech; XLV is all US pharma/healthcare. go one step further... if u think tech will fly even higher, then buy the specifics - Facebook-Apple-Netflix-Google (FANG stocks) or AMZN, MSFT, etc. but if u think US markets will dive soon, it gets difficult becos all other world markets will invariably be affected, incl china, japan, european stocks. at the limit, if u think a world recession/depression is coming, better put all in FD, lock it up!

... currencies - one must have a basis to hold a view what direction the $ or RM or yen or Euro will go relative to each other in the next 1, 2, 5 years before u buy any equity. if u think RM will strengthen, best to buy 100% bursa stuff. if u think RM will go weakest against SGD, buy SG stocks or reits.

.. local or foreign broker - already mentioned.. if small amounts and non frequent trading, use local brokers to save the hassle. if larger amounts with frequent trading, a must to use foreign brokers to have cost efficiency.

i use a combination - CIMB itrade for US/SG mid-longterm holdings/dividends and IB for US trading. it is also impt to consider the fact that if u spread yr funds too thin, there are disadvantages with costs. Whereas if u concentrate yr funds with 1 or 2 brokers, u may get advantages like lower brokerage and/or buying/trading limits. i do not do bursa or other foreign markets, like to stay focused on the few i can monitor all the time.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 22 2017, 10:08 AM)
there is no fund or currency or broker or method that will give u consistently the highest returns after buying it.

there are risks in ALL of them over time if they are equities - geopolitical, financial, currency, sector, stock specific.

some of the "world" or "international" etf's are so rojak in weightage, geopolitics, currency, taxation that it is difficult to have a handle on them, can't even understand why it is up or down!

in the final analysis, one has to come to a conclusion, take a position on what u think is best and go with it.

.. global equities environment - if u think USA equities will continue to drive world markets higher, go for the largest and most liquid US ETF's. SPY is S&P500; XLF is all US banks/finance; QQQ is all US tech; XLV is all US pharma/healthcare. go one step further... if u think tech will fly even higher, then buy the specifics - Facebook-Apple-Netflix-Google (FANG stocks) or AMZN, MSFT, etc. but if u think US markets will dive soon, it gets difficult becos all other world markets will invariably be affected, incl china, japan, european stocks. at the limit, if u think a world recession/depression is coming, better put all in FD, lock it up!

... currencies - one must have a basis to hold a view what direction the $ or RM or yen or Euro will go relative to each other in the next 1, 2, 5 years before u buy any equity. if u think RM will strengthen, best to buy 100% bursa stuff. if u think RM will go weakest against SGD, buy SG stocks or reits.

.. local or foreign broker - already mentioned.. if small amounts and non frequent trading, use local brokers to save the hassle. if larger amounts with frequent trading, a must to use foreign brokers to have cost efficiency.

i use a combination - CIMB itrade for US/SG mid-longterm holdings/dividends and IB for US trading. it is also impt to consider the fact that if u spread yr funds too thin, there are disadvantages with costs. Whereas if u concentrate yr funds with 1 or 2 brokers, u may get advantages like lower brokerage and/or buying/trading limits. i do not do bursa or other foreign markets, like to stay focused on the few i can monitor all the time.
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Excellent summary. Answered a lot of my inner pondering especially the relationships between different countries economics, relationships between world/international indexes-sector indexes-company stocks, and your personal practices. Domou Arigatou notworthy.gif
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I go with a mixture of a few ETFs (LSE traded) but 0% Bonds right now as still fairly cash heavy. This year has been a busy one so haven't really touched anything in a while
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u busy with what?
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Excellent summary. Answered a lot of my inner pondering especially the relationships between different countries economics, relationships between world/international indexes-sector indexes-company stocks, and your personal practices. Domou Arigatou notworthy.gif
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Have u invested?
u have asked for so long.
u have been losing opportunity cost.
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Have u invested?
u have asked for so long.
u have been losing opportunity cost.
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I have not invested. I've only asked for a few days only. Then I realized, I actually still lack about MYR5K for the initial USD10K. However, if I look into local or SG brokers, the entry level could be much lower. Still checking out.

I prefer not to rush. Got to make sure I know 90% of what I'm getting into, then only can I sleep well. Else, every night, always doubt this and that.

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Like I said earlier. I am scaredy cat. My guts cannot stomach such anxiety that comes with such investment/trading.
Bro, I don't have the money previously, how to invest? I would have loved to have invested back when USD 1 = MYR 2.9 but still no funds also la. cry.gif

Then again, you're basing on hindsight. What if you expect MYR to strengthen in the future but instead it weaken further to USD 1 = MYR 5++? What if it stabilizes at USD 1 = MYR4.5 for the next few years? Then do you keep on waiting forever? I thought this is where the concept of DCA comes into play? Maybe the delta between the current forex rate and future might be rather big that infrequent DCA wouldn't be much of a help.

I don't know, since all these are things that I've read only and not actually experiencing it. Maybe those who have actual experience can chip in on their experience on how this will affect anything if the plan is for long term holding. Just do note, I am not looking for short term gains nor am I looking into actual forex trading.
At the moment, I have not started with any broker. Still trying to get a feel of what each brokerage fee's and T&C are like before delving any deeper since local brokers have some sort of minimum trade requirement in order to avoid some fee on the divident or something (see, I still have to study more. So many things still in the gray area to me). If you have any recommendation, I would be very happy to listen. So far, in this thread, people have discussed foreign: TDAA, IB, DBS V, Standard Chartered SG and Maybank KE; local: iTrade, HLeB. (I think I've got them all here but then again, I may have missed a few)
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you can include the calculation of buy ILP fund which act as feeder fund into us/world/etc fund (I know some of the local insurance company offer that in regular/single premium plan), just remember that the cost is quite high which about 5% upfront, 1.5% annual fee, and your cost of insurance and monthly fee (anyway, you can use your credit card to pay it and start with small amount).
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u busy with what?
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Work, but not really relevant to this thread!
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you can include the calculation of buy ILP fund which act as feeder fund into us/world/etc fund (I know some of the local insurance company offer that in regular/single premium plan), just remember that the cost is quite high which about 5% upfront, 1.5% annual fee, and your cost of insurance and monthly fee (anyway, you can use your credit card to pay it and start with small amount).
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Paying 5% 1.5% annual fees? Better I go with SG UT at 0% SC.
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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 21 2017, 09:21 PM)
I slap together a quick calculation regarding forex fluctuation (or actually MYR strengthening continuously).

Please have a look and comment. Do keep in mind that I may have left out some details or overlooked some factors. So do point them out and maybe I can improve the sheet to reflect reality better. It's really just a very crude calculation.

Conclusion from it is that if the USD/MYR were to go from 4.5 to 3.5 at the end of the 10 years:
1. If you invest more at every four year interval, you'll be getting less 1.6% of your CAGR. (Four years is based on my personal capability to cough up USD10,000, may be different for you)
2. If you invest only once, then it's 2.6%. Probably this is rather big.

So if you can wait it out so that the MYR weakens closer to the value when you've invested, you may be able to reduce the percentage.

Simulating the continuous strengthening of Malaysian Ringgit over the next 10 years.
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Bro,... if you are thinking of succeeding in investing elsewhere, then it's okay to change now, and pls do not worry abt what might happen to the MYR in future. Even if the MYR should strengthen in future, you would have earned to foreign currency dividends overseas. If you worry abt the exchange rate, and worry abt what to invest in, worrying abt so many things,.. you will never start,...

If you intend to benefit (or profit) from the exchange rate, then yes, if you take the view that the MYR will strengthen again in future, then you put yr MYR into FD or PNB Fixed Price funds now, while waiting for the time to convert after the MYR regains its so-called strength.

What I read from what you wrote is you wished to succeed in overseas investments, then focus outside, bro,... change yr money now,...if you're keen on SGX, go buy some SG REITs now,...start earning the dividends. Then you will have a better feel when you see SGD dropping into yr account.
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Never mind, question have been answered in another sub-forum.

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rjb123, I just realised SCB SG is cheap to buy and hold ETF.

Only USD10/0.20% trade. No monthly free/custodian fee.

Much better than IB.
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$10 per trade isn't bad - not cheaper than IB though

Of course IB downside is the monthly fee if you're at less than $100k

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What does it take to open SCB SG trading account?

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 4 2017, 06:53 PM)
rjb123, I just realised SCB SG is cheap to buy and hold ETF.

Only USD10/0.20%  trade. No monthly free/custodian fee.

Much better than IB.
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What does it take to open SCB SG trading account?
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Pick either 1
(1) priority banking with SCB SG
(2) saving plan of SGD400/month for 10 years or SGD500/month for 5 years but money is locked for 10 years. Both supposedly give you 3% return
(3) Buy UT from them worth SGD50k at 3% service charge
(4) Have mortgages with them.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 4 2017, 07:55 PM)
Pick either 1
(1) priority banking with SCB SG
(2) saving plan of SGD400/month for 10 years or SGD500/month for 5 years but money is locked for 10 years. Both supposedly give you 3% return
(3) Buy UT from them worth SGD50k at 3% service charge
(4) Have mortgages with them.
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u mean cant open other bank saving account and then open SCB SG trading account only?
must SCB SG saving account a requirement?

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u mean cant open other bank saving account and then open SCB SG trading account only?
must SCB SG saving account a requirement?
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Yes. that's right. To get their trading account, they will need you to open account with them. It's compulsory. I wish we could do that open use other bank account and use their trading platform.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 4 2017, 07:55 PM)
Pick either 1
(1) priority banking with SCB SG
(2) saving plan of SGD400/month for 10 years or SGD500/month for 5 years but money is locked for 10 years. Both supposedly give you 3% return
(3) Buy UT from them worth SGD50k at 3% service charge
(4) Have mortgages with them.
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What's the AUM for Priority banking? Couldn't see it on their site.

I actually opened an account with OCBC Securities a while back but never used it as had issues linking it to my savings account.

Considering DBS Vickers as I'm interested in their FCA too, need to resolve my CDP account first as I can't remember the details after never using it doh.gif
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Mar 4 2017, 09:46 PM)
What's the AUM for Priority banking? Couldn't see it on their site.

I actually opened an account with OCBC Securities a while back but never used it as had issues linking it to my savings account.

Considering DBS Vickers as I'm interested in their FCA too, need to resolve my CDP account first as I can't remember the details after never using it  doh.gif
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SGD250k. It include any stocks/ETF that you bought drool.gif thumbup.gif
After become priority customer, don't need to pay their USD10/0.20 fees. You pay only 0.18% of what you buy/sell. drool.gif thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 4 2017, 09:47 PM)
SGD250k. It include any stocks/ETF that you bought drool.gif  thumbup.gif
After become priority customer, don't need to pay their USD10/0.20 fees. You pay only 0.18% of what you buy/sell.  drool.gif  thumbup.gif
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I see - so around $180K USD - quite high!


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I see - so around $180K USD - quite high!
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Well with Priority banking, it beats IB hands down as everything you trade with them is counted (don't need to buy unnecessary investment product) without custodian fees, min fees.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 4 2017, 09:53 PM)
Well with Priority banking, it beats IB hands down as everything you trade with them is counted (don't need to buy unnecessary investment product) without custodian fees, min fees.
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Yeah not bad - just a high minimum to get started.

Maybe I'll give it a try if I get to SG sometime.
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u can try tradier cheaper than TD
https://brokerage.tradier.com/pricing?utm_s...campaign=footer
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 4 2017, 06:53 PM)
rjb123, I just realised SCB SG is cheap to buy and hold ETF.

Only USD10/0.20%  trade. No monthly free/custodian fee.

Much better than IB.
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Nah ib is still better. The forex conversion is close to market rates. Scb will kill you in the forex spread. If you can afford to invest 100kusd. Definitely go for ib. Else scb is the next alternative

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Guys,... just a thing here if you are not already aware,... since this is an ETF thread,... if you have a DBS account, you can just subscribe to one ETF via the DBS/POSB ATM ! It's as simple as that,...

Everybody can buy it,.... just need to have an ATM Card and press a few buttons at the ATM. Yeah,.. need to have some money too,....
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 21 2017, 02:41 PM)
Guys,... just a thing here if you are not already aware,... since this is an ETF thread,... if you have a DBS account, you can just subscribe to one ETF via the DBS/POSB ATM ! It's as simple as that,...

Everybody can buy it,.... just need to have an ATM Card and press a few buttons at the ATM. Yeah,.. need to have some money too,....
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You are forgetting one thing. If STI is ok. If other country fund there's a maintenance fee devil.gif

There are better option to buy foreign ETFS.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 21 2017, 08:19 PM)
You are forgetting one thing. If STI is ok. If other country fund there's a maintenance fee devil.gif

There are better option to buy foreign ETFS.
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Well, this is one quick option that I thought of at the moment,... you can always consider to just walk to the ATM and buy this ETF when the timing is right, I'm not asking you to go buy now !

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