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Ramjade
post Mar 22 2017, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 22 2017, 02:46 AM)
Well, this is one quick option that I thought of at the moment,... you can always consider to just walk to the ATM and buy this ETF when the timing is right, I'm not asking you to go buy now !
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Actually my ok = free of charge. Can buy STI and hold for free. Buy other country ETF, pay maintenance fee if don't furfilled their condition for free holding.
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post Mar 22 2017, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 22 2017, 10:44 AM)
Actually my ok = free of charge. Can buy STI and hold for free. Buy other country ETF,  pay maintenance fee if don't furfilled their condition for free holding.
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Appreciated the clarification, bro,...
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post Mar 22 2017, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 22 2017, 10:49 AM)
Appreciated the clarification, bro,...
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Waiting for 8 securities too open doors in SG and UK. That way we can buy buy UK based etf (which invest in US) without any without maintenance fees + most likely at zero cost.
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post Mar 22 2017, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 22 2017, 10:54 AM)
Waiting for 8 securities too open doors in SG and UK. That way we can buy buy UK based etf (which invest in US) without any without maintenance fees + most likely at zero cost.
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Bro,... just a opinion here : don't make things too complicated,.. you are gaining knowledge day by day,.. you are experimenting day after day,.. soon, you will be very confident. ETFs are not suitable for you,... go for the bigger fishes.
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post Apr 18 2017, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 14 2016, 07:05 PM)
min 10k at all times.

if below, u will be asked to top up, failing which account will be closed.
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Hi bro,

Appreciate if you could help me with my doubt here. For IB, if I hold says 20K USD worth of ETF & equities, but has only 5K fund left in account to purchase other ETF/equities, would IB ask to close my account?

Also another scenario where I hold 120K USD worth of ETF & equities, but has only 5K fund left in account to purchase other ETF/equities, would IB still charging me inactivity fees every month(assuming my monthly doesn't hit up to 10 USD).

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post Apr 18 2017, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(nestahng @ Apr 18 2017, 12:25 AM)
Hi bro,

Appreciate if you could help me with my doubt here. For IB, if I hold says 20K USD worth of ETF & equities, but has only 5K fund left in account to purchase other ETF/equities, would IB ask to close my account?

Also another scenario where I hold 120K USD worth of ETF & equities, but has only 5K fund left in account to purchase other ETF/equities, would IB still charging me inactivity fees every month(assuming my monthly doesn't hit up to 10 USD).

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min 10k is total cash or any equity/etf positions u hold.

to my knowledge, the min monthly charge of $10 applies regardless of what u hv in cash or holdings.

it is about brokerage fee on the transactions u make very month.
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post Apr 18 2017, 12:33 AM

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The $10 is waived if assets over $100k USD (at least that used to be the case, haven't checked recently)
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post Apr 18 2017, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 18 2017, 12:33 AM)
The $10 is waived if assets over $100k USD (at least that used to be the case, haven't checked recently)
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Any US ETF listed on HK market? Something like how people buy using Ireland/LSE to avoid withholding tax.

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post Apr 18 2017, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 12:42 AM)
Any US ETF listed on HK market? Something like how people buy using Ireland/LSE to avoid withholding tax.
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There is vanguard ETFs domiciled in HK e.g. S+P 500 tracker

But HK doesn't have same agreement as Ireland with 15%WT on divs so tax wise there's no benefit.

You can buy the Ireland domiciled ETFs on other exchanges in Europe too.
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 18 2017, 12:49 AM)
There is vanguard ETFs domiciled in HK e.g. S+P 500 tracker

But HK doesn't have same agreement as Ireland with 15%WT on divs so tax wise there's no benefit.

You can buy the Ireland domiciled ETFs on other exchanges in Europe too.
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Because from what I understand, if the ETF is listed in outside of US, there won't be with holding tax (HK does not have any with holding tax). A perfect eg would be the Manulife US REIT listed on SGX. No with holding tax as it's listed in Singapore provided we prove we are not americans to our broker.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 12:52 AM)
Because from what I understand, if the ETF is listed in outside of US, there won't be with holding tax (HK does not have any with holding tax). A perfect eg would be the Manulife US REIT listed on SGX. No with holding tax as it's listed in Singapore provided we prove we are not americans to our broker.
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It's all about the domicile of the ETF - if there's no tax treaty in place WT of 30% is taken at source, regardless if the country of domicile has WT on divs or not.

I have no idea about Manulife US REIT (or REITS in general) and how that's structured so can't comment.

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post Apr 18 2017, 01:11 AM

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From some quick reading it looks like REITS possibly have different rules regarding taxation.

In normal cases the W8BEN only excludes us from capital gains, not 30% WT (unless resident in Ireland for example where 15% treaty rate applies)
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post Apr 18 2017, 04:40 AM

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AVFAN rjb123 Ramjade

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 4 2017, 06:53 PM)
rjb123, I just realised SCB SG is cheap to buy and hold ETF.

Only USD10/0.20%  trade. No monthly free/custodian fee.

Much better than IB.
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Bro Ramjade

Are we able to buy US listed ETF(for example NYSEARCA: SPY) & equities(for example NASDAQ: FB) via SCB SG? How about LSE listed ETF & equities?

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post Apr 18 2017, 06:18 AM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 18 2017, 01:11 AM)

From some quick reading it looks like REITS possibly have different rules regarding taxation. - YES,... you are right ! In many places of the world, the REIT taxation methds are different from the taxation against standard stock ctrs. WE have to follow a different set of rules in order to have the recovery if desired.

In normal cases the W8BEN only excludes us from capital gains, not 30% WT (unless resident in Ireland for example where 15% treaty rate applies) - YES again, in normal cases, but when it comes to US equities, I theorized that we have to go one level deeper, ie to look into the ctry source of the income generated by the ctr. If the earnings generated by the ctr is from outside of the US, then such dividend will not be tax-withheld too.

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post Apr 18 2017, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(nestahng @ Apr 18 2017, 04:46 AM)
Bro Ramjade

Are we able to buy US listed ETF(for example NYSEARCA: SPY) & equities(for example NASDAQ: FB) via SCB SG? How about LSE listed ETF & equities?

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Of course can. That's why singaporeans who are into ETF inveating use SCB SG as their broker of choice.
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post May 19 2017, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(helo @ May 19 2017, 10:35 PM)
hi, i am a newbie here, interactive broker is charging usd10 permonth if without activities, may i know how much initial money needed to startup an investment in stock market?
cuz usd10 x 12 = usd120= myr 520
ib minimum deposit for below 25yrs old is ard myr13000
lets say i'm lucky enuf to get 20% return per year.
13,000 x 20% = 2600
520/2600 x 100% = 20%
20 percent of my return will be given to ib, do you think this is a great deal?
how much money do u guys think u need to have before starting an investment?
i am just a fresh graduate... just started working not even a month yet...
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ib is cheap for frequent trading, buy/sell.
it is not for low activity.

if u are looking for low activity, better go with local brokers.
they may be more expensive per trade but has no fixed charge.
talk to local banks/brokers, compare.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ May 19 2017, 11:38 PM)
ib is cheap for frequent trading, buy/sell.
it is not for low activity.

if u are looking for low activity, better go with local brokers.
they may be more expensive per trade but has no fixed charge.
talk to local banks/brokers, compare.
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Actually I don't think so. What do you think of brokers like tradeking, charles schwab international whihc charge ~USD5/trade?
Even better robinhood and 8 securities. Both also zero charge.

Why bother with local brokers when the following above are cheaper?
Would like to hear your opinion.
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post May 20 2017, 01:05 AM

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Thankz so much @avfan
Yaya, I would like to hear more on this @ramjade
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post May 20 2017, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(helo @ May 20 2017, 01:05 AM)
Thankz so much @avfan
Yaya, I would like to hear more on this @ramjade
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1) You need to accumulate your emergency fund before investing? Have you done that? How many months did you collect?
2) Are you a trader/dividend/value investor? Different you know.
3) Are you ok with 30% tax on dividend by US govt?
4) How much are you buying each time? If USD500 one time, brokerage fees at USD4.95 already cost you ~1% return.
Let's not forget everytime you sell, you will alao be charged broker fees. The reason I put USD500 = ~RM2300 which is quite high for some one who have just started working.
5) Are you ok that each time you transfer money to US, be prepare for ~1% cut from your money
6) Combine 4) and 5) together, you already lose 2%.
7) Why choose US market?

These are questions you need to answer. If I were you just started working, I will accumulate emergency savings first. No emergency fund, no investing.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: May 20 2017, 07:46 AM

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