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Hansel
post Jan 10 2017, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jan 10 2017, 08:40 PM)
Only Nr 2 at present.

My income is in USD or GBP so I can either deposit GBP from a UK account (fee free) or from USD which costs around $50 as a round trip.

SGD is an option but I'd have to buy SGD first so not really convenient at the moment!
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 10 2017, 08:48 PM)
Thanks. Hansel I think you have your answer?
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Right,... so rjb123 deposits GBP notes into IB from his UK Account which is free, since that account is based in the UK (whose natural currency is the GBP), but if he deposits USD into that account, he will have to pay USD50 fee, because the USD would then be foreign currency in the UK,... Is my understanding correct ?
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post Jan 11 2017, 07:32 AM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:38 PM)
SGD account in SG to IB SGD Account = Free
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Tq rjb123,....

Pertaining to the above, I would understand you would be able to transfer over funds from a Sgp bank acct in SGD into the IB SGD Acct,...

But my question is : are you able to give SGD cash by hand to the IB employees at the IB Office in Sgp to be deposited into your IB SGD trading acct ?
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post Jan 11 2017, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jan 11 2017, 10:25 AM)
I haven't tried this but I'm 99.99% sure that no broker would accept a direct cash deposit. They don't even accept transfers from accounts in a different name.
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YES,... bro,... all my doubts are cleared. Your second sentence : They don't even accept transfers from accounts in a different name, happened after the 1MDB case started blowing-up,... yes, my private banker warned me of this !!!

In some past postings when a forummer said to me,... capital controls has been in existence even before 1MDB started, yes, I would agree,.. but back then,...before the 1MDB fiasco started, your second sentence has not been enforced yet !

After that 1MDB case blew up, MORE enforcements were put in place,... and more restrictions against capital movement were enforced,... That's why I said,... thanks to 1MDB. Now I/we am/are heavily inconvenienced.
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post Jan 11 2017, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 11 2017, 10:18 AM)
Why do you want give by cash when one can transfer into their account? Cash in Singapore is big red flag especially if it's a lot.

Guess you can email them and asked.
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Bro,... you really don't get my msg's,... it's okay, if really one can learn so fast,.. then the concept of time needed to build experience does not qualify anymore. anymore,...
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post Jan 11 2017, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Jan 11 2017, 06:43 PM)
I meant the deposits to IB - IB won't accept deposits from any account not in your own name - this has been in place for everyone, not just accounts / individuals in Malaysia.
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Bro,... I'll reply this subject topic one more time,... I'm aware this applies to everyone today,... but if you read my writing earlier,.. I'm not talking about this ruling being applied to whom,... but I was talking abt this ruling being started to be enforced since when,...

Anyway,... I'd like to reiterate here,... the point that I'd like to make here is if one can indeed find a bank which can accept foreign currency notes being deposited in without charges (just like DBS earlier), it really saves a lot of cost in our investing plans. But DBS has closed her doors. Hopefully the other bank can open her doors now.
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post Jan 20 2017, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 11:00 AM)
Frankly, if u hv not traded at bursa, best not to get to foreign. Very easy to lose it all.
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Bro,.. I have not traded at Bursa,... Maybank Securities asked me not to bring my funds back ! biggrin.gif
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post Jan 20 2017, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 06:15 PM)
Nope. One can save at least SGD60 by bringing cash over there provided the air ticket is RM59 and you are coming back by train. I calculated against the best bank TT rates. rclxms.gif
Downside: waste 2 days as train from SG > MY is at 2345.
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1) YES,... thumbsup.gif at most is you wasted the time.

2) You just lose on transport for once, then the moment you earn your first and second divvies, you would have covered this expense ! Then subsequent divvies will be for you to enjoy,...
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post Jan 20 2017, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 05:37 PM)
1. Standard Chartered SG is hard to open. Can give a try. No harm. Most likely unsuccessful. Maybank can be opened from Malaysia. DBS no problem but you need to convince them why you need a DBS bank account. Best is tell them you want a DBS Vickers. For their broker account, you have no choice but to head down to Singapore.
See this for more info: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1440794
IMHO, SG is still cheap compare to US as SG is still 3x our currency but US is already 4.5x our currency already. There's are complicated tax for SG unlike US. To fund it, just find the cheapest bank with the cheapest TT rate/bring cash over. Then use a SG bank which does not charge on incoming TT. After that just transfer using FAST (Singapore version of IBFT but FOC).

So you are just paying TT charges (RM10+ from malaysia side) + bank rates (which is not as cheap as bringing cash over) + brokerage fees. Heck, DBS Vickers told me I am excluded from their GST.  rclxms.gif

2. Yes. That's right. The bad thing is in the event Standard Chartered SG, Maybank KE go kaput, your shares also go kaput. Other than that, you save on brokerage charges.
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Bro,.. are you sure of the above ?? I checked earlier and discovered the shares are kept with a trustee. Even if the custodian should wrap up, the beneficial ownership of the shreas still remained with the purchaser.
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post Jan 20 2017, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 08:03 PM)
Yes. Our sifu Hansel does that + others. But if got no time, just TT. Don't use money changer because it could raise alarm bells with BNM and MAS.  sad.gif I am planning to do that before I start work!  bruce.gif
My mother's whose friend husband worked as banker at maybank suggeested:
1) buy gold as gold is priced in USD. It will "protect" your worth.  tongue.gif
2) keep SGD/USD cold hard cash/or open a bank account in SG and keep cold hard cash there  biggrin.gif  rolleyes.gif
Well will need to plan for times when no time to go down. Already planning for it...  Since once I start working, I am not able to get leave for 4 years!!!  sad.gif Right now ok la. Waiting for graduation/job offer. Can afford to fly down. Btw, what's the max one can deposit via their CDM? Is there any amount I need to be aware or it might set off alarm bells?
According to few Singapore financial blogs. Saw it being mentioned by 2 different authors like that. They were talking about Standard Charted being custodian. WHy is not good.
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Bro and bros,... I think we are,.. relatively,.. smaller players,.. not worthy for our central bank to go after,... so, I think, no need to waste time being too careful,... it'll be an overkill. Furthremore, even if we bring down or out more than USD10K per trip per person,.. I think nobody will notice lar,... provided we don't do it long term.

Bro,.. your mother's friend's husband is not totally right ! See below for counter-comments :-

1) buy gold as gold is priced in USD. It will "protect" your worth. tongue.gif

Counter-comments : Gold has no income tied to it. Owning gold makes one wait for appreciation. If you keep the gold at home, either the thieves or the MACC will come and search you out. If you noticed those who are raided by the MACC, they will have gold either in their hse, or in their office or at the kampung hse.

2) keep SGD/USD cold hard cash/or open a bank account in SG and keep cold hard cash there.

Counter-comments : Keeping SGD/USD cold hard cash at home ? This banker must have advised those people caught by the MACC.... biggrin.gif Everytime the MACC raided some suspect's house, surely they will find foreign currency cash in the house. biggrin.gif SOmeitmes it's good also that MAS restricts Msians opening accounts, then these people will not be able to siphon the funds out so easily anymore.

Keeping cold hard cash in a bank account in Sgp ? Earning the FD there ? Well,... everybody knows he interest rate there. biggrin.gif

I think 'better I become the banker'.
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post Jan 20 2017, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 20 2017, 08:29 PM)
Fully agreed with these statements.  thumbsup.gif  That's why I am trying learn as much as possible in shortest time. One more thing, seeing your currency drop by 6.xx% pa can also make you  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Frankly,... if our RM is not as it is,.. we really don't need to think abt investing outside !

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post Jan 20 2017, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 20 2017, 08:22 PM)
U know what i mean...

U may not hv traded in bursa but u must hv traded as a "local" in sg or oz.

The poor guy.... only starting, jumping right into fx and foreign stocks... man.... can get killed easily.

And u hv others asking him to go to sg, do exotic stuff.

As one who has been thru losses, i understand the temptation to think one is so smart.
Not for u, for all., pls....

One's hard earned savings is blood sweat n tears.... may never make it back, will suffer.

Pls do not make it like eating nasi lemak or burgers.
Sorry for being grumpy...  if u hv  not seen the devil, u will not cry, so they say.

It takes a lot of work, time, patience and experience to make some profit from the desk.

If it is so easy, there will be no farmers or salespeople or politicians...  all humans stocks n fx trading n do nothing else!
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I understand what you said bro,... but I still stand on the position that one must still try, but try carefully !
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post Jan 22 2017, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jan 21 2017, 09:21 PM)
I slap together a quick calculation regarding forex fluctuation (or actually MYR strengthening continuously).

Please have a look and comment. Do keep in mind that I may have left out some details or overlooked some factors. So do point them out and maybe I can improve the sheet to reflect reality better. It's really just a very crude calculation.

Conclusion from it is that if the USD/MYR were to go from 4.5 to 3.5 at the end of the 10 years:
1. If you invest more at every four year interval, you'll be getting less 1.6% of your CAGR. (Four years is based on my personal capability to cough up USD10,000, may be different for you)
2. If you invest only once, then it's 2.6%. Probably this is rather big.

So if you can wait it out so that the MYR weakens closer to the value when you've invested, you may be able to reduce the percentage.

Simulating the continuous strengthening of Malaysian Ringgit over the next 10 years.
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Bro,... if you are thinking of succeeding in investing elsewhere, then it's okay to change now, and pls do not worry abt what might happen to the MYR in future. Even if the MYR should strengthen in future, you would have earned to foreign currency dividends overseas. If you worry abt the exchange rate, and worry abt what to invest in, worrying abt so many things,.. you will never start,...

If you intend to benefit (or profit) from the exchange rate, then yes, if you take the view that the MYR will strengthen again in future, then you put yr MYR into FD or PNB Fixed Price funds now, while waiting for the time to convert after the MYR regains its so-called strength.

What I read from what you wrote is you wished to succeed in overseas investments, then focus outside, bro,... change yr money now,...if you're keen on SGX, go buy some SG REITs now,...start earning the dividends. Then you will have a better feel when you see SGD dropping into yr account.
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post Mar 21 2017, 02:41 PM

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Guys,... just a thing here if you are not already aware,... since this is an ETF thread,... if you have a DBS account, you can just subscribe to one ETF via the DBS/POSB ATM ! It's as simple as that,...

Everybody can buy it,.... just need to have an ATM Card and press a few buttons at the ATM. Yeah,.. need to have some money too,....
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post Mar 22 2017, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 21 2017, 08:19 PM)
You are forgetting one thing. If STI is ok. If other country fund there's a maintenance fee devil.gif

There are better option to buy foreign ETFS.
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Well, this is one quick option that I thought of at the moment,... you can always consider to just walk to the ATM and buy this ETF when the timing is right, I'm not asking you to go buy now !
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post Mar 22 2017, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 22 2017, 10:44 AM)
Actually my ok = free of charge. Can buy STI and hold for free. Buy other country ETF,  pay maintenance fee if don't furfilled their condition for free holding.
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Appreciated the clarification, bro,...
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post Mar 22 2017, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 22 2017, 10:54 AM)
Waiting for 8 securities too open doors in SG and UK. That way we can buy buy UK based etf (which invest in US) without any without maintenance fees + most likely at zero cost.
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Bro,... just a opinion here : don't make things too complicated,.. you are gaining knowledge day by day,.. you are experimenting day after day,.. soon, you will be very confident. ETFs are not suitable for you,... go for the bigger fishes.
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post Apr 18 2017, 06:18 AM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Apr 18 2017, 01:11 AM)

From some quick reading it looks like REITS possibly have different rules regarding taxation. - YES,... you are right ! In many places of the world, the REIT taxation methds are different from the taxation against standard stock ctrs. WE have to follow a different set of rules in order to have the recovery if desired.

In normal cases the W8BEN only excludes us from capital gains, not 30% WT (unless resident in Ireland for example where 15% treaty rate applies) - YES again, in normal cases, but when it comes to US equities, I theorized that we have to go one level deeper, ie to look into the ctry source of the income generated by the ctr. If the earnings generated by the ctr is from outside of the US, then such dividend will not be tax-withheld too.

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post Aug 28 2017, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(simplylegendary @ Aug 27 2017, 08:02 PM)
Yea, you are right. Actually I was thinking either

1. Pick my own ETF (Vanguard All World, iShares Precious Metal, or something popular)
2. Use Autowealth for to "automatic" ETF picking

So my definition of "beating" is who beats who in the two choices wink.gif
Thanks, cannot run away from 30%.  sad.gif

Not sure if US Tax payer no (ITIN) can be useful, I remember a decade ago when I took a US project I managed to escape the 30% after getting ITIN.
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This is quite informational, sl,... Tq. But, the prb is if you still have the ITIN now, yo may hove prbs opening accounts elsewhere in the world due to FATCA rules. Do you have such prbs ?
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post Aug 28 2017, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(simplylegendary @ Aug 28 2017, 04:56 PM)
I am not sure if I have such a problem.

At least the trading firm I am using allows me to invest in all major exchanges (NYSE, SGX, HKSE etc etc)
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...tq for the reply,... When you filled-in the FATCA forms, did you reply 'Yes' to the following questions ?

1) Are you a US Resident ?

2) Are you a US Citizen ?

3) Do you have a US ITIN ? ...followed by giving them the number.
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post Aug 28 2017, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(simplylegendary @ Aug 28 2017, 05:12 PM)
1) no
2) no
3) yes

I never in US when I was granted an ITIN, I had the ITIN when I worked on projects from Malaysia for a US employer. I called and pestered IRS and they ended up giving me an ITIN and I got back the 30% from my project fees, but that was >10 years ago.
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Tq sl,... thumbsup.gif

Perhaps we should take this offline,... don't wish to dilute this thread which is for USDMYR talks,....

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