Don't think so.

God has set everything on earth in place, to work under natural law like rain and thunderstorm.

But to say natural disaster happens because God wanted to punish is rather baseless because now we are all living under the time of grace, where God isn't angry with creation.
Why I say so? Because of the cross of Jesus Christ. There on the cross is our justification for all our sins to those who are willing to believe and accept. And the Bible does say that God wants reconciliation with the world not counting their sins against them.

This Grace will last until the day of Judgement. Then the wrath of God will come in and judgement will also come in to every unbeliever because He has given more than enough time for Man.
Under the Old testament age, yes you could be right but not under this age.

However what is true, is that, the one who wants to destroy life now is Satan. He is a fallen angel who may have the power to manipulate natural disaster, like tsunami, etc.
John 10:10 (NIV) - The thief (Satan) comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I (Jesus) have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 13 2014, 04:01 PM

It's part of the nature also partly biblical

Biblical side Jesus said before He return back to earth there would be natural disasters everywhere

Nature side is mainly humans caused it open burning, released toxic fumes into the sky by car or factories

Open burning means burning those harmful elements that release green house gas like plastic bags and many plastic related products

the keyword is badly

i need a friendship, but i don't need a friendship badly. I still have Jesus laahhhh

yes, but impossible.

see this allegory: is it possible to kill all animals in the sea ? yes, drain the sea. Possible ? i don't think so.

Holy spirit works to convert back lost people, because church are praying.
Stop church from praying, Holy spirit will stop. Is is possible to stop church from praying ? i don't think so.

as i say in post 360, the keyword is badly.

i need friendship, but i don't need friendship badly. Still have Jesus lahhh...

oh i see...

when you complain with the church leaders, and people retaliates back, there is a evil spirit / cursed at work. Some people called it bitterness, some people called it rebellion spirit, it's basicly the same thing.

when you play computer games, you will recalled things called status effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_effect

curse / evil spirit always work on "debuff" mode to you. confirmed. John 10:10

How to detect, the best approach is to ask HS is there any "debuff" in your life or not. let me know, then i can pray for you, or at least i can ask HS how to pray for you.

bro.. the word has power, even worse, the word of the believer... bible say the life and death (gamer say: buff and debuff) is in the power of tongue.

dr masaru emoto has prove it



don't tell me your billion park church never tell bad things about you...
don't tell me your billion park church never dislike you, verbally or not verbally...

The devil yes, but your "botak leader" is not devil...

and because he is a leader, his word carry some power and anointing like it or not... and worse, he used it to say a word that is against you... because he still have flesh... every powerful chrisitian be it a leader or not, still have flesh

but Jesus loves you too, that's why HE gives you authority to "debuff" all that your "botak leader" did to you ...

devil only "pawn"-ing your botak leader through his flesh... no it's not devil... it's ur "botak leader"... get the concept ?

allegory, why dont ask and know the reason for those ex-Christians left ? lose faith?
being realistic a bit. thank you. its is not about dream world we live now,
not every time are human fault, some entities are in fault too.
coz love cover their sin, everything, that why become blindly listen ,blindly accept, and blindly eat sweety shhitt all the time.

what happen?

mindset issue: we christian, we think ourselves as creation. therefore who can audit / check n balance / QC (quality control) creation ? only creator.

this may not answering ur question, but at least if we have common understanding how is creation and who is creator, then ok lah, can discuss.

sorry i don't know whether you are atheist or not so if you share ur belief, maybe our colleague here can try to explain... christian mindset lahh... christian forum anyway

true, at least you can debuff whatever he did to you in the past...
your body is water based, the water quality drops whenever he say bad things to you.

you are right... leave him but don't forget to debuff all he did to you in the past.

I assume you know how to debuff lah ya.... by prayer n declaration.

This post has been edited by de1929: Nov 13 2014, 07:21 PM

This is what i mean debuff. Simple prayer / declaration like this:

In the name of Jesus, I declined all negative words that "botak leader" have said to me.
I receive only what GOD's want me to receive.
I recalled he called me aaaaaa then i decline his words in the name of Jesus.
I remembered he yelled at me bbbbbb then i decline his words in the name of Jesus.
I recalled he lambasted at me cccccc then i decline his words in the name of Jesus.

(keep adding as necessary, HS will reveal anything that "botak leader" had say in the past that makes you hurts)

My identity is secured in Christ.
I am beautifully made.
I can do all things through Christ who strengthen me.
I am highly favored, I am secured as secured as the LORD's apple eye.

I ... (keep adding positive things that you think you get from HS)

aaaaaa ,bbbbbb, ccccccc are things revealed by HS, anything that does not build you up, anything that outburst of emotion, anything that hurts people whether small hurts or big hurts...

hopefully beneficial for you

I don't know which one you're facing, one way to find out is that whenever that person's name is mentioned, do you still clench your fist or grit your teeth? Or even...............rant about the person until today?

If you still do, then you have to admit, you haven't really let go. Forgiveness is really to let go and let bygone be bygone.

As a freed Christian you're suppose to have very light weighted shoulders, if you know what I mean.

If you're still carrying some baggages, perhaps it's time to let go.

I don't mean to be crude or intrusive but I want my brothers to be carefree. That is what Jesus would want of you anyway. And He spoke about the passages talking about being weary and heavy burden. (Matthew 11:28)

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Nov 13 2014, 08:04 PM

I was a ex Buddhist, when I accepted Christ, I never lost my Faith by God's grace, till now.

I'll tell you why they left.

Most probably, they never really understood the principal of God and his kingdom. Never understood it in context and never understood in completeness.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls32zdmh...1ee8uo1_500.gif

Its a miracle that someone actually prayed for me. Wow, God's grace is really unlimited!

The battle is not over yet. Its still a long journey for me. I need HS to guide me.

Wow, that's really bad! What's ffk? I only know fck. Oopps!

That's really how some people are. I met Christians like that too but I just ignored them.

Well, not everybody is perfect. We are bound to have all kind of characters in church.

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This post has been edited by tinarhian: Nov 13 2014, 11:01 PM

Sometimes I think unbeliever friends are more dependable compared to those Christians fellows. They do not judge and back stab you as well. Well, then again, I'm just saying from my experience. Of course not all Christians are like that.

I was told by someone that there's a local church in PJ / Damansara that practices double standard on its members and non-members. Don't ask me the name coz I don't want any trouble. lel.



This post has been edited by tinarhian: Nov 13 2014, 11:18 PM

tina surprise ? are you concern i am not christian enuf for you

The experience of Jacob

Laban's Squeeze

We will now consider Laban's squeeze (Gen. 30:25-43; 31:1-16, 38-42). In chapter twenty-nine Laban received Jacob for hospitality (29:14). After a while, Laban might have discovered that Jacob was quite smart and that he could be very profitable to him. Appearing to be kind, Laban said to Jacob, "Because thou art my brother, shouldest thou therefore serve me for nought? tell me, what shall thy wages be?" (29:15). Laban seemed to be saying, "Jacob, it is not fair for you to stay with me without being paid. Tell me what you want." Laban might have perceived that Jacob had fallen in love with his daughter Rachel, and he might have said within himself, "Jacob, I will not let you have my daughter cheaply. You love her, and I will give her to you, but you must pay the price." Laban was wise and did not say this to Jacob, but he knew Jacob's heart. When Laban asked him about wages, Jacob said, "I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter" (29:18).

Because his love for Rachel had made him foolish, Jacob pledged himself to work for seven years to get her. When these seven years were expired, however, Laban did nothing concerning Jacob's marriage to Rachel. This shows that he had no heart. Thus, Jacob was forced to say, "Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her" (29:21). But Laban gave Jacob Leah instead of Rachel. When Jacob realized this, Laban justified himself by saying that it was not the custom in their country to give the younger daughter before the firstborn (29:26). Regarding Rachel, Laban said, "Fulfill her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years" (29:27). Here we see Laban's squeeze. If you recall your past, you will see that you also have been squeezed, perhaps by your husband or wife.

Laban was crafty and cunning, and Jacob could not defeat him. Twice Jacob said that Laban had changed his wages ten times (31:7, 41). Jacob complained to Laban, saying, "Thus have I been twenty years in thy house: I served thee fourteen years for thy two daughters, and six years for thy cattle; and thou hast changed my wages ten times" (31:41). Furthermore, Jacob said to him, "Except the God of my father, the God of Abraham, and the fear of Isaac, had been with me, surely thou hadst sent me away now empty" (31:42). Jacob seemed to be saying, "Laban, not only have I worked fourteen years for your daughters and six years for your cattle, but you were not even willing to let me have my wives, children, and flocks. You have tried to detain them all." What sufferings Jacob passed through under Laban's squeezing hand!

These 20 person maybe "smart"... they have CG with church A, CG with church B, CG with church C, and CG with church D.

So these 20 person throw friendships at every CG, and of course all CG leader always remember who didn't show up last meeting

at the end, these 20 person has a huge network of CG leaders. Good strategy. Correct or not ? right nor not ? proper or not ? i am not gonna answer that questions