i wonder, is it any way ask holy spirit to leave? i saw alot Christians convert to atheist or Buddhism.
but the holy spirit still there and keeping harass the converter.

dear Christians, do you guy know those thunderstorm and rain is causing by GOD or just natural disaster, just to punish recently?

allegory, why dont ask and know the reason for those ex-Christians left ? lose faith?
being realistic a bit. thank you. its is not about dream world we live now,
not every time are human fault, some entities are in fault too.
coz love cover their sin, everything, that why become blindly listen ,blindly accept, and blindly eat sweety shhitt all the time.

Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?

If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself,’ you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.”

tell me, how the fcuk for the poor can help the poor? if u have no $$, help the poor? love others ? help ass? what a joke? just compare the great rich people, and those poor Christians, has nothing, only have so called "holy spirit" and bible, what can they do to save the world, help people for their salvation, and other thing and so on. except from using marketing and brainwashing skill to market this religions and generate more revenue income for their own church.
FACE THE f***ING REALITY dudes, from what i learn from those pastors and bible, EVERYDAY IS END OF THE WORLD, i learn how to self-destructing in a godly way.
eg. for example, i know some people (but not me , i am not so stupid to commit such silly action) destroy certificate , pay so much times and money and parents hard earn money and just waste like that without any responsibility. "and said we must love our parents", by doing these is freaking irresponsible to parents, such decision is so hurtful for parents.
if we cant serve the world, who the hell to feed us in everyday lives? using marketing strategy and brainwashing method to lure unbeliever to come to church and expect to feed us by giving so called tithe and claim will get blessed by GOD o.0? be a monk Christians ?( become Buddhist better ) it makes the leader become more incompetent, become good in talking instead of action to solve problems, the cycle keep repeat itself until everyday is the end of world. look at how outsider look down on this religions and they are afraid to tell what their heart felt becoz scare get judgement and punishment by these "face-thicking entities" which failed to admit their fault all the times. and many people left it,
i thought satan control the world according to bible? there are many companies and government manage to take control for all the resources. is jesus want us to starve to death ? why so contradict itself?
depart from world, yes i know if anything related to sinful is harmful.
everything depends on god or angels, THEN? failed to think properly, failed to solve problem for themselves and help others it is suppose to be a light fro the world? end up be what?
everyday living in a delusion and magical world, think like in a dreamworld , any magical thing can happen to their live.
whats the point we have the brain, anything and everything depends on these 'miracles and prayers'. can these entities solve the problems? it solve shiits problems. failed then blame the people. so irony
LOOK at the world, how they create and solve the problems. how they think.
if the churches have problem, what those Christians do ? pray lol, so simple. have fun and eat some 'antidote' to calm down their worries, and escape from the harsh reality and continue sleep, hoping for 'alibaba djinn' to save them, when next day wake up, problem still there, whats the points?
why dont learn to solve itself instead on 100% relying on these spirits, what if suddenly they no response to our situation, die right? (i know got bible quotes that "you must depend on god , by man cant do and this and that and will failed," oh really? look at the reality, now this is the modern times, not ancient time with no much information access and available at that time, thats why the can boost their power proudly)
i personal saw these situation in countless times. i know these "holy spirits' chose people to help according to their criteria so called 'faith' LOL
in real case, those people blindly faith and blindly believe really killed themselves by having these thought.

unknown warrior,and dear others who quote me, its not i dont understand, i am the one who escape from the trap. i m ex-Christians, i know the way of these entities works, and all the flaws in current systems. however i lazy to type much here since most people can never admit it. pointless.
there is no such thing as "end of the world", it is "end of humanization".
Christ can never return to earth for 1 shot, it is only when a person time is end or has done the job in human life. some people pass early and go to heaven, some not, some need to wait until the time is over.
eg, if u having an exam, some exam rules state that once u finish the answer u may go early, some must stay back in exact time. if u pass , congrats, if fail then gg.com
IF when nuclear world war 3 launch and strike many civilization come to end, the earth will still remain there, it is only the END OF HUMANIZATION/POPULATION

de1929, i may not know all, but at least quite a lot. no point i reveal here, coz it is nothing, only for self use. dont worry, the cycle will keep repeating until to the end. I cant change anything although i quite dislike these shits.

say byebye to humanity, it is already reached in almost perfect hopeless state in city and development area/counties. and it is almost impossible for Christ to save these people anymore. ( i guess) and Buddhist (maybe still tiny hopes).
the argument and discussion about churches, Christ and all related histories in bible and all form of unclear and parallel vague verses meaning in bible is never ending.
continue to keep wasting time since the beginning. good luck

How about Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment
if you know how the universe/nature law/god of law work, we do not die once, only the memory swap away if the time is up
the hebrew claim this because of the human memory, there is a time frame for everything, even in heaven, the difference is long or short,
unknown warrior, i saw many miracles too, healing, cast out demons, solve many human life problems, however, the deep root problems still failed and always failed to get resolved due to many factors,
again, there is no such thing as "christ die for our sin". it is a trap.nvm

de1929, up to you. i dont need to argue with you.

unknow warrior, Fear of lack of money and Fear of death are the main concern.

in bible it state, 'christ die for our sin' is not equal to 'testify the power', from what i know, no such thing happens. yea he resurrect, because he done the job according to the law, and went to heaven.
the way to heaven can be 'patterned' in creative manner religiously, still all creatures have to follow the same rule in order to go there.

not all chosen one receive the taste will 100% succeed go up.

This post has been edited by yan7: Nov 18 2014, 01:43 PM

de1929, i mean most people has these fear, thats why they need find these GOD to secure their live for free, instead of insurance which need to pay.

some people do not allowed to be rich by god, forced to be poor, this is what i hated to most. for past few years, i have been not allowed to do any thing that can make me earn more money even in legal way. more money-> can save more people. by chasing out these harraser spirit is the main goal for me LOlz. if one is poor, it will causes unnecessary unending suffering . some more this is not the tribulation.

unknown warrior,from your reply, this is one of the example i called as 'trap'. it is not as easy as u think, and it is not as simple as they said too.