OMG... indonesian slang in malaysian forum ?

sophiera where is the front page ?

Takpe lah Sophiera... just enjoy ... i am fine with that.

Anyway this is the prayer for ur fren, it's kinda short compared to last prayer about the accidents one... :
In the name of Jesus, i command the slip disc to return, i command the inflammation to stop. Hallelujah... Amin !

Allow me to share mine
I go to church regularly for many reason. worship, frenship, hang out, etc... more on the people things
I read bible independenly not often, but okay2x... primarily to make my Jesus happy. He just simply want me. Perhaps for zackmir Jesus will ask different things. How does ZackMir know ?

How does zackmir can talk to God, aka upload ? pray.
How does zackmir can listen to God, aka download ? .... long story... bible for start, but the end is limitless... here is the good start:

http://www.cwgministries.org/Four-Keys-to-Hearing-Gods-Voice

http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/gods_voice

This post has been edited by de1929: Oct 30 2014, 09:42 AM

oh thank you for not being offended. Kindly accept my apology ... when you ask trinity (which is an advanced christian concept imho), i was under impression you aredi christian.

Jesus Christ as GOD, that died in calvary for all of us, and raise from dead on the third day

Allow me to use allegories.

Unlike moslem, which only sunni and shia, christian is like... restaurant

There is franchise restraurant, there is non franchise. This is a way to see a restaurant
There is a halal restaurant, there is non halal restaurant. This is another way to see a restaurant
There is chinese food, western food. This is another way again to see a restaurant.

Some people, because they know what to eat, they are not looking for restaurant, but they are looking for the chef .

so my message simple: Don't get boxed ... you will ended up.. boxed

-- Where is Jesus in the picture of restaurant ? All restaurant is a business entity declared with Kerajaan Malaysia. You can picture Jesus as kerajaan malaysia in this allegories.
-- Where is the bible in the picture of restaurant ? the food, the menu, the drink. It's our spiritual food.
-- Who are "chef" in chritianity ? Those are preacher that is popular. They become our source of information to understand Christ better
-- Where is denomination in restaurant picture ? where is catholics / protestant in restaurant picture ? those are similar to restaurant franchises. some franchises are flexible, some franchiese are inflexible.
-- Where is DUMC in this picture ? DUMC is similar to a franchised restaurant, but managed independently. Still can bear label "Methodist church", but the cheff (i think Pst Daniel Ho cmiiw) managed to make a distinction. So instead of looking for "methodist church franchised", people looking for Pst Daniel Ho... Now this is why some people, who just wanna find methodist church, shocked to see why DUMC is so much different with another franchise.

Ask me or UW (Unkown warriror) for more details about christianity.

Another material for spiritual growth. It's indonesian, i hope you who speak bahasa melayu can sikit2x get the idea.

https://soundcloud.com/keluargarhema

if you answer like that, you implying you are doing speaking in tongue probably more than UW + me

most of the protestant (i recalled ur protestant ?) does not believe in revelations, and
most of the protestant are cessationism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessationism
they does not believe "mumbo jumbo things aka dreams, revelation, audible voices" still exist today. Those things stops around 100 AD.

but i recalled ur "mixed" somehow... perhaps i miss something ?

This material helps you to understand why your leaders concerned about speak in tongue:

http://www.charismamag.com/spirit/supernat...nce-of-the-gift


Let's have an example:

Our Prime Minister Najib, let's convert him to be a Christian. How to convert Mr Najib to be a christian ?
You cannot preach, nor come to his house, nor visit his office in putrajaya. Simply cannot.

But you can ask GOD to send him a dream, any dream that can lead Mr Najib to receive Christ as savior.

Sound simple right ? sending him dream is spiritual activity. Human cannot do that using present technology. it will be a spritual warfare, because you pissed devil when you did activity above.

doing that, devil will attack you. Why attack you, because you ask. Bible say you ask and it will be given to you.
If you are threathen, if you are nullified, you will not ask. Therefore you will not be given.

Most of the spiritual warfare is used to win soul for Christ. But the same warfare is waged to to deliver sickness, command wealth, reduce crimes, fix broken family, fix marriage, bless nations, etc...

Because you wrote this: But my only concern is how we determine what is "true" then you demonstrated that you love Jesus. fair enough ?

Out of your love to Jesus, HS told me that there is an evil spirit that works behind you. It's a type of "wolf in sheep" clothing called religious spirit. Therefore in the name of Jesus, i bind work of religious spirit behind Decky and i cast down all stronghold that religious spirit works behind Decky. Let Decky only submit to HS (Holy Spirit) as Jesus is the only true GOD and true KING. In the name of Jesus i pray. Amen !


You wrote if i can prove you wrong, then you open for suggestion. If you bound by religious spirit, all i say is wrong. If you worked under religious spirit, you will find many of HS replies are nonsense.

let's put into practice:
1. Let's pray: Father, in the name of Jesus i rebuke religious spirit and i only allow HS to speak to my life.
2. Let's put bible verse: Matthew 12:30 ... "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters....
3. About my Post #67, ask HS. Which part, according to HS, is against Christ ? because bible say Mat 12:30 whoever is not with me is against me.
4. Your understanding in Post #69, ask HS. Ask HS is decky's understanding with Christ or against Christ.
3. Any teaching both protestant / charismatics, ask HS before you put into your heart.

why ask HS ? because asking HS is biblical. It demonstrate that you are humbly before Holy Spirit that your mind, your understanding, cannot comprehend almighty GOD understanding. Therefore you need Holy Spirit to counsel you.

Ask HS also the only way to test the spirit 1 John 4:1. Who can test the spirit if not the stronger / better spirit ? who is the strong of the strongest and king of King ? Jesus Christ.

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bro, pls read UW context on whole...

Perhaps your old mindset prohibits you to see the whole context ? bible is not only corinthians, why focus on the corinthians at expense of other books ?

there is john oso writes Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. ... gal 5:1 say we are free.

If Mr A speak in tongue bla..bla..bla..bla.. and Mr B speak in tongue bla..bla..bla..bla..bla.. both of them use that language to worship GOD, it's their liberty. Gal 5:1 say mr A and B are free. GOD does not need humans to translate

If Mr A talk to Mr B in tongue... bla..bla..bla..bla..bla.. and Mr B reply to Mr A in tongue bla..bla..bla..bla... this one is better with interpreter. Or else i can use ur language.. Paul would shake his head

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At the end, we ask GOD: should we obey 1 Cor 14:28 or we focus on John 4:23 + Galatian 5:1... ? HS told them various answer depends on the leader.
e.q.
GBI Bethani Jakarta almost = City Harvest KL or SG.... full throthle speaking in tongue regardless everybody comfortable or not.
Joel Osteen... don't speak in tongue in his service, but only during prayer session (not primary sunday service / TV aired services).
DUMC... speak in tongue only in prayer session before service. During service no.

Don't get boxed bro... choose community that focus on wining soul directly or indirectly. Not arguing Corinthians like those protestant lines.

Scripture is complete bro, but our / mine / yours understanding of scripture is not.... tomorrow you / me will have something learn, tomorrow oso another soul lost.

The problem is, Christ is not happy the church is not winning soul directly or indirectly.

Why depend on your understanding more than depending HS ?

today HS can say shut up and read ur bible...
tomorrow HS can say go and give money to poor...

if you focus on your understanding, then you will not move until you are confidence with what biblical or not right ? at what expense you wanna do it ? 10 year study and have 10 year lost of soul ?

I know you love Jesus. But you have to trust Jesus to lead you, with or without you understand bible. There are communities that already understand bible better than you. Check with HS throughly..

charismatics had bad records
protestant oso has bad records... do you think protesting is not against bible ? marthin luther protest with chatolic for whatsoever reason. didn' bible say 1 Samuel 15:23 that rebellion is like the sin of divination ?

that's why.. check with HS... why marthin luther prevails ? cuz GOD's allowing him to rebel because GOD is told him to rebel... how does marthin luther know ? cuz he loves Jesus. My sheep knows my voice saith the LORD

same like you. You also love Jesus.

i read bible bro, but i don't let my mind to understand bible naturally. I don't use my english skills to understand bible. I just read. understand or not understand i just swallow as is. .e.g genesis 1 say world created in 6 days, i don't care right or wrong from scientist perspective, i just swallow

That's what i mean i read bible. I just read regardless i understand or not... cuz my spirit eats the rhema from the bible.

I don't derive conclusion to keep in my heart without asking HS.... that's the different between you and me... cmiiw

That mission leader priority is set by HS, not by your understanding. Since you are protestant, i doubt you will understand how mission leader hears from HS. If HS mandates mission leader to bring people only who can speak in tongue, then so be it lah...

biblical verses ? i assumed my material earlier and UW already gave u

forgive me, i just want you to reap soul, better than me.

It happens to me oso...

interpreter A just say basic things such as: GOD loves you, GOD cares you, GOD's way is not equal your way, trust in GOD, lean not on your understanding... I say the intepreter play safe lahh...

I heard oso another intepreter B say: i heard this word ABCDABCD (i forgot actual word, so i symbolize ABCDABCD) ... what the meaning to you... then suddenly the person screaming loud and escorted to sidewall... later on the person explain the word ABCDABCD meaning a lot to him...

so to answer your questions, yes they can. But you need to know the reputation of the intepreter. if not, danger lahh... like you trust your car to mechanic you don't know...

Wow... hardcore poor is demonic curse that works through generations. i can say probably 3 generations ? It has been poor not only 1 or 5 years, but probably 60 years since atuk / grandpa already poor.

also i assume hardcore poor accompanied by illiterate, no education, poor mentality, low hygiene, cannot find brilliant IQ for sure... this is completely demonic work settled for years... many years...

I understand why your team leader emphasis on speak in tongue as spiritual warfare.

Matthew 12:29
"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.

This post has been edited by de1929: Nov 1 2014, 02:07 PM

why are you doing this to me ? didn't i have shown you i want to win soul ? didn't i have shown that i want Mr Najib to receive Jesus as Savior ?

Is that something wrong that ?

instead of helping me winning soul, you gave me crap like john piper / matt chandler narrow minded opinion about money ? money is only tool. Seeds to reap and sow.

care to explain why you sending me "against rich against money message" after i demonstrate i want to win soul ?

I limit this revelation only to mission trip case you have. To break demonic curse that bind poor people, those poor people must sacrifice what's precious. Money. The act of sacrificing most precious is recorded in bible during Elijah on Mount Carmel... Elijah sacrificed water, during drought, 1 King 18, especially on 1 King 18:33

careful observe the limit of this revelation, only to your mission trip, your case. This revelation is not "general applicable". Ask HS for each mission trip what to do. ... Your mission leader ask HS, at the cost of your understanding.

I hope i can bring some understanding to you

Decky

Did you know that devil use "Do not accumulate yourselves treasures on earth" verses to disturb the mission trip, the mission trip you talked in post 121 ?