Just calm down.

Every translation necessarily bears the understanding of its translators. In bringing the ancient text into a modern language, the translators must first understand the original in terms of the original and, in many cases, interpret the original. Every translation, then, is the record of the translators’ understanding of the original text. So definitely, there is, are "baggages".

2. Refute all? Very unlikely. You have 2000 years of research, translation, interpretation, text criticism etc. There is no way to make up things.

1. I think you don't have to do that. Of course, every translation of the Bible embodies a philosophy about what the Bible is, about the relation of its writers to God, and even about God Himself. The trend today is away from a more literal rendering of the ancient text toward a more literary one; newer translations seek to make the Bible easy to read and understand.

If that is your concern, then stay with the literal translations and only refers to the "easier to read" rendering for some references.

Also you don't have to ask the Spirit for these things.

Christians can be likened to a train. There needs to be the fuel inside as its energizing power. But a train needs to have tracks outside as well. If there is fuel within but no tracks without, the train would not be able to run. Even if it runs, problems will arise. However, if there are only the tracks without, but not the fuel within, the train may be on the right track, but it cannot move. Therefore, for a train to run, and to do so smoothly, there must be the coordination of two aspects: the inner aspect and the outer aspect. Outwardly, there must be the regulation of the tracks; inwardly, there must be the energizing of the fuel.

It is the same with us. We have the Spirit within and the Bible without. Unfortunately, throughout the ages, Christians lean either toward the Spirit within or toward the Bible without. Even today, many people are doing the same. Those leaning toward the Spirit within very much condemn those leaning toward the Bible without, saying to them: “What you are reading is but dead letters. Every day you are just using your mind to study the dead teachings. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Only we are living in the Spirit.” Those tending toward the Bible without would likewise condemn those who stress the Spirit within, saying to them: “What you have is just emotions. There is only excitement and stirring up, but no stability.

The Spirit and the Bible are two sides of one matter. The leading of the Spirit does not contradict the revelation in the Word. Therefore, in studying the Bible, there is again the danger of being one-sided. (Be a bird with 2 wings)

Yeah, I finally moved on. I have repented of my sins before God. Now, I just want to pray everyday and seek his help. I have realized that I cannot do everything based upon my own strength.

Now I feel less stress and I feel more at peace with myself. Its truly God's doing that He still loves me even though I have abandoned him long long time ago.

Today I heard Mark Virkler's "Hearing the voice of God". Well, I remember in Matthew 16:3 - 4 =

Pharisees and Sadducees Seek a Sign
…3"And in the morning, 'There will be a storm today, for the sky is red and threatening.' Do you know how to discern the appearance of the sky, but cannot discern the signs of the times? 4"An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and a sign will not be given it, except the sign of Jonah." And He left them and went away.

John 10:27

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

Its not that I want to look for a sign or vision, but I feel as a new Christian, shouldn't we pray to God for mercy and other things besides asking for a sign and vision? I do not feel its important if I can't find the sign. As for me, I think to have that personal relationship with God is truly a wonderful thing. To understand the Word and live as Christ should.

I think we can express our love through other ways, ie, give encouragement to our loved ones, support them in time of need. Love is not just purely physical attraction. (hah, Who am I kidding? I went out with so many guys in Uni)

Yeah, I believe peer pressure and Western values have influenced so many youngsters today.

Yeah, I know right. Those typical ego-testicles are just bunch of hypocrites.

Maybe I will find someone in Church to talk to about my desire to seek God.

Hopefully I will find a good church. Now I'm reading more about this Southern Baptist Convention.

Walao! IF I were to talk to that pastor, I would say this, "Pastor, do not worry. God will look for a soulmate for me. No need to rush for love".

Ok, Cheras church opposite Tesco - I will not go there.

Thanks a lot.

pehkay, many thanks. it reveals me the importance about balance.

balance ? hehehe...

Malaysia need Jesus. How to balance Ourself ?

50:50 ? 70:30 ? 30:70 ? that's asking individual capacity...

or maybe i 90:10 and wife 10:90 ? that's talking me n my wife altogether....

check HS ?

Don't worry everybody... die..die still Christian, only matter of balance or not

de, don't go overboard 'obsession' until psychology rosak

Said rightly.

Also, I think the ESV and NASB are more "word for word" so it's more closer to the original greek/hebrew, while stuff like NLT or The message involves more paraphrasing by the translators (who understand the greek).

One problem is that languages are not always easy to directly translate. Try translating a sentence in indon/chinese to English directly and you'll see how it'll lead to some weird translations.

e.g. Nama saya Decky becomes "Name me Decky" which is far from what the original sentence means. That's why scholars work so hard to make sure they're extremely faithful to the original manuscripts, and they make sure the manuscripts are pure and not corrupt. These scholars are usually large groups of scholars that work together to ensure a good translation is produced for the masses.


And yes, the holy spirit is working through all of these scholars as Pehkay says.

canonization ma

Thanks Ngai much appreaciated... At least i can buy time to sleep first and worry those things next time. I know GOD is in control... Who does not know GOD is in control ?

Tqvm Decky n ngaisteve1... much appreciated

I still stick to NIV for the most part because that's the most common translation in this country but sometime I use NLT, NSV & KJV.

My Fav is NLT.

Yup Peace can be felt, one of the sign that God is present in your life.

I think what is important now for you is to get familiar with God's word as much as you can.

Many Christians are destroyed from lack of the knowledge of God's word.

God's word can be offensive and defensive against spiritual enemies. It's spirit and alive. Sharper than any double edge sword.
The words in the Bible is actually God* himself. If you can began to understand that*, you need it everyday. It is food to feed your inner spirit person for without, like body that is malnutrition, your spirit person will be weak.

That is how most Christian give up and fall away.

Signs & Visions will come when God wants you to see something. So don't worry about that.

And yes, as in John 10:27, you will recognize the voice of God when you hear it, because the Holy Spirit dwell in you testifying to your spirit of the truth of God's word. He will make you understand difficult passages when you ask him. Try to pray asking the HS to guide you and give you understanding before you read the Bible. Don't read it just like that.


Sometime God can use situations & people to speak to you, But always fall back and confirm it with the Bible because God will never contradict his word.

Hope this helps you.

Thank you for your prayers. Amen.

Thanks UW. Now left 2 more months to work.

Some years ago when I lost my job in a reputable company, I thought to myself what was going on.

Did God forgotten about me or was He angry at me? I didn't get any answer back then. God was silent.

I went into small business to support my family and it was thriving for some years. I think I made good money until one day I started facing competition and it went down the hill.

Again! the same thing, I started to panic thinking how am I suppose to have a future and my worried about my family's future as well.

There's this great mental block, stress and fear that gripped me. Couldn't really sleep well. When I woke up, I just see bleak future. No mood to do anything.

I prayed and prayed and prayed for many days that seems like weeks and months, even cried to God in desperation. Until 1 day I heard something like

"Do you really trust me?" in my heart. I know it was God speaking. I must admit, I didn't know how to. Until God lead me to 1 sermon that change my whole life. I found out the reason through that sermon. I applied what was taught to me and I could see the result. My whole life changed because of that.


The reason why I couldn't find myself to trust God is because I didn't really accept that He loves me. It was only in my head that I knew in concept that he loves me but not in my heart.

I repented of that wrong thinking. I believe it with all my heart and act like it. Somehow or rather I knew the Father was please when I have an accurate Faith (Right Believing) in Him.
Today by God's grace, Philippians 4:19 has been a continuous blessing in my life.

You can try this if you want to. Hope it helps you.

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If I were you, i will ask HS 2 things:

1. In regard to my company always 'attack' me, is this YOUR tool to make me quit in order to promote me ?
2. In regard to my company always 'attack' me, is this YOUR tool to train me how to stand in the ground ?

1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own

It means do not quit your job unless HS approves you to quit

I have been receiving calls from companies almost twice per weak.

I really wish I was in your position. Can get extra bonus money somemore.

Unless, you are worried that no one is going to hire you right now.

Ya quite worry because no job secured/offer yet after this 2 months.

What is your position and your role?

Development surely no problem

such a blessing

Matthew 12:32

Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come

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The more i enter into GOD's presence, and consume by HIS love to / for me, the lesser i think "anyone" bold above refers to human. It's not for human. It's not for us.

Then who ? devil n 1/3 of fallen angels.

HE loves us so much, deeper than english word love can contain, and still wants to threaten us ? oh no, it's only educating us. not threathen us. Ok then it's fine. Because installing fear to control human is not the way i know about Jesus Christ.

Isn't that written that the King's heart is in the hand of the LORD, HE stirs wherever HE wants it (Proverbs 21:1)...

Out of his love to us, he can stir our hearts not to speak against holy spirit.

But we are not kings, sure, if GOD can control king's heart, GOD cannot control our heart ?

How abour fear of the LORD ? If people think you are GOD-fearing individual, then it's good for your reputation, nothing harmed.

But if you install fear to pay respect to GOD, and becoming GOD-fearing individual, then it's not the best, because perfect love cast out fear. So ? your installed fear will not able to make you a perfect-love-individual.

why bother about being a perfect-love-individual ? cuz the highest law is to love GOD first and human second. The love-quality you gave depends on ... how perfect-love-individual you are.

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confused with my english ? nvm ... ask HS

Matthew 15:16 (AMP)

And He said, Are you also even yet dull and ignorant [without understanding and [c]unable to put things together]?

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Thanks to Amplified bible that gives emphasis on how Jesus expression when talking to peter. My interpretation ? Jesus said like this to peter: where is your head ? got brain or not ? what a stupid question...

It's rude for me, because i also don't know, until i read verse 17 onwards. if i know then i will not ask lahh...brader ... hahaha... that's why i am not the original 12 apostle i think

Is it rude for peter ? did Peter hurt when Jesus replied like that ? i don't know.

We all know that Jesus closest circle only 3 persons. Peter, James and his beloved disciple, John.

If you gonna get closer with somebody, get ready that he will use any language the speaker comfortable. Why ? cuz the speaker trust you that you will not get hurt. Jesus know that Peter will not get hurt. that's why Jesus can talk freely to Peter. The reader like me think Jesus is a mean and angry GOD. but under umbrella of friendships, 2 friends can talk openly without getting hurt and still trust each other.

By GOD's grace, i am getting closer to Jesus. It means, i have to be ready Jesus say bluntly about something, pour out his feelings, especially about how Jesus think about malaysia, and how the church lost many battle in this country.

Wanna follow me to be Jesus inner circle ? go ahead... make steps bigger, run faster than me, and be a better fren compared to me ...