yes you can come like poor ppl and survive well.I seen sri lankan, indons...chinese...all work hard...
at the end they can buy cars , house etc...

so it is depends on individual, but bare in mind...once u r here, you are on your own and it is not easy to find good friends or real friends.Mostly are in for benefits so pandai pandai la..

thanks u for ur advice and opinion. i know my english is poor , and it is very very poor also ... i m not like u guys that come from a good family who born with the gold key and some english educated background. u r shameful to be malaysian ? then u better hide it , and i honestly tell u ,they are still ppl here are not even know how to write and talk english. even some dunno how to use internet also ... u must hide far far away , cox ppl like u that like face alot sure come from a rich family. but lucky i m pure chinese that i still realise one word (THE DOG EYE LOOK PPL DOWN !!! ) so, i wont blame u to prick my bubble.

and thanks for guiding me , i just only know the agent will earn alot from me , that y they serve me so nice ..... cox i thought i will use them to help me apply uni only ....lucky u all tell .... if not i will also kenal potong by them d ....HAHAHA

anyway, i m just completed my diploma in civil engineering . although i dunt get a very good result , but i know i can do it better in my future. i trust myself that i m able to find a job in aus becox there r still demand for engineers. and one thing i need to tell u , i have seldom touch any english book , but i pass all my exam until today. so , my english still can be improve . and i know work at overseas , english is the most important. but i really like to use malaysia english ... LOL !! and i m proud to be a malaysia even my english ma ma dei ....

the final thing is reality ...let me tell u wat reality for me..... i only know u will die when u no money ....and i know u must work watever job to get money to survife .... sometimes ppl like u have no invention i think ..... cox every ppl got dreams only got reality .... u straight jump to reality without dreams ? many scientist also dreams 1st then only do research in new product to earn more and more money, at last they try to achieve their dreams ... success or fail is another problem.... and now my dreams is to study at overseas and to get a good job there, success or fail is another problem ...

actually u should learn how to change ur attitude of satirize ppl ..ppl always say that malaysia boleh ... if u can say out malaysia tak boleh, u will get a lawyer letter soon .. so , u should change ur way to give opinion to someone and u should try to help them and not to satirize them.... and i m really sorry if i say anything that hurt u .... but i think u wont understand wat i m saying with my poor english also....however i will thanks u a million for ur advise ....

take note : SOMETIMES WAT HAYA SAY MUST BE CONSIDER ALSO , BECOX NOT EVERYONE HAVE STRONG DETERMINATION LIKE ME.... kakaka....

Hey, don't fret. I actually had to look up for the meaning of 'satirize' in the dictionary. I thought you had some word wrong. Decent vocab you have, so cheers!

Did/Does anyone study in latrobe? Anyway, i already back for good for ages

HAHA ... THANKS ALOT !! ....i m agree with u too ... i m rather to work hard at overseas than malaysia .... cox their currency is more higher ....actually i got few fren there alredy ....but i think they finish study will leave aus jo ... anyway ... still got u ma !! LOL !! sometimes i also scare my PR skills there .... cox my english .... but hope i can know more australian fren ... and always talk with them to improve my english ....hehe

i am not sure what the writer was trying to say, but whatever it is, in this context, the term satirise (or american satirize) is an unsuitable word...........

maybe the problem with english is very clearly explained in the posting..........he doesn't read..........and the solution just as simple...........start reading english, books, novels, articles, magazines, newspaper etc...........

good day mate, is there something wrong with you?
something i dont get you, when you are in foreign country and dream on like crazy malaysia, you wont get any further.I do think malaysia tak boleh, read RWI ....see how many issue arise, it is worst day by day, so that why people migrate for better, if malaysia boleh....the namewee case wont be that big or the nurin case also wont be mention at the age paper here.
DON'T FILL yourself with FLAMES, you should treasure the opportunity that you have.Imagine those people who migrate after the first NEP policy and whatever system that don't give the best student a place in uni, they are even further hard to survive when the door in aussie was open.
This days, with more people going overseas due to parents able to support.
you can do anything you capable of in this world, no one stops you. Hope this change your view abit.

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Added on September 26, 2007, 12:03 pmwhat is satirise mean lol

This post has been edited by KVReninem: Sep 26 2007, 12:03 PM

@walkin86,

Please dont assume all of us are from a rich family,at least for me.My parents have to put all their saving to send me there.Not all of us are sons or daughters of a millionaire.

Besides,i do think Malaysia is tak boleh.Just look at the newspaper,shit load of problems and shameful incidents had plague this country.I might migrate and work in Aus after i graduate there since Malaysia is pretty much no hope in the future.

My command of English is not much better from you and im from a Chinese school.Just read more and you'll improve.

Anyway,Happy Lantern Festival to everyone!!!!!

google or check your dictionary......... student nowadays..........

I truly don't get it as well.

There's google, there's wikipedia, there's dictionary, yet people tend to do this as well

**points points **



Anyhow, there shouldn't an issue arising whether one can do well in Australia or not at this current standard. What you need to know, is level of Education, lifestyle in Australia far exceeds those in Malaysia. Malaysia is a great place for vacation and holidays, but when it comes to work and lifestyle, most countries really push Malaysia down to anchor the league.

since when having a good command of Engrand has got anything to do with a gold key stuffed into your piehole?! think before you talk, won't ya?! Engrand is not learnt through those costly Cambridge institutes or those crazy buggers who want an ample amount from you and end up teach you shit nothing. learning English is not a privilege to the rich, mind you. that is downright silly.

for me, i'm just lucky enough to have a dad who realizes the importance and start talking and exposing me to English literacy since young. heck, even watching English cartoons has helped me to grow. does that require a heck load of money?! don't think so. back then, if i recall correctly, you don't need to pay for watching RTM cartoons (sarcasm).

i'm personally a chinese educated person and i am not a very rich person either.

pretty much have the same escape route from Bolehland with you. gonna seek opportunities in Aussie and if all goes well i'm gonna whisk my parents over for a decent, peaceful living. not having to worry when you are out on the streets like what we Bolehlanders are facing. fear. can't even walk near my dad's office peacefully for fear of my own safety. this sort of life sucks. exceptionally indignant when it comes to chinese school issues as i graduate from an independence school myself. quite glad Namewee did stood up for us though.

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Added on September 26, 2007, 1:22 pmgoing through a bit of the thread, you guys are saying IDP's services aren't good?! meaning we should source out everything by ourselves rather than seek their services for our education? sometimes the net can get a bit overloaded, i have to admit. too much info and a lot of luring with sweet talk.

This post has been edited by sE_vIxEn: Sep 26 2007, 01:22 PM

I dont think Malaysia is a good place for vacation.You might get rob,rape or even get blown to pieces if you are unlucky.

I used to play lots of games when i was young and actually manage to learn some english from those games. Cartoons does help a lot too.

I find IDP's service arent as good as they advertised but they can be used if you want some advise from them.The best thing about IDP is still the application waived part.

That is correct. We should take the trouble to seek information and make our own decisions wisely. It is, after all, our own education and future, so we should be the ones ultimately responsible for our decisions.

This forum needs a context-sensitive spelling and grammar checking tool.

This post has been edited by chris_c28: Sep 26 2007, 02:12 PM

i visited them once and they're quite friendly IMHO. haven't request for further details coz i'm still on my first semester for my diploma, a tad too early.

oh ya, gaming contributed to a decent engrand as well.

but how do we determine the credibility of the information we get among all the marketing strategies they are using to lure more students?!

You can get Google toolbar.It helps me a lot when i type but it only checks for spelling mistakes.

Im not sure too.I think it's still up to us to decide and look around in the internet.

Hmmm, what's with all the English language related bashings to walkin86 ??
Honestly, haya, and the rest of the gang, what you said in the earlier post is very correct, I don't deny anything you've said. In fact, I agreed

But one thing you got it wrong though. Is that you don't need to have a good command in English in order to succeed in life, in fact, you don't need anything at all. The only thing you need, is the will to learn, the eagerness to learn new things.
Do keep in mind that everybody is born WITH NOTHING. You get to talk, eat, sleep, have fun is because you learnt from the people around you. It is all YOU, how far are you willing to learn.

walkin does has some grammar errors in his post, can't deny that, I don't even bother reading his post which is full of mistakes(I bet mine has some as well). But at least he has something planned, at least he is willing to learn English as he arrives in Aussie(Do take note, that in Malaysia, be it KL or other places, not many speaks english). It's a few hundred times better than unprepared arrival to Aussie.

Oh yeah, and about reading more books and watching more television shows, out of 100 points you get from those, only 15 goes into your speaking ability and another 85 ... goes into your essay writing. These things does help, but you still have to find yourself a good english educated friend and learn how to speak proper english. Thats the proper way to learn english.

This is what I have to say. And I am sorry if the post offended anybody.

Just thought i would add a bit of info on this matter, I had all my uni application work done with the help of my college university placement centre, in fact they even guided me through my visa application after i got my COE. I cant speak the other colleges, but for my case(I was in taylors btw), i think they did a pretty good job. Anyway, my point is, instead of looking at the various agents like IDP, you should try and drop by your college's placement centre and have a look.

taylor's placement centre is good, knowledgable and impartial..........those currently studying there now should use it...........

Satirize is derived from the word satire, which means a form of literature which uses humour to criticize.

At least I'm able to put my 7 months of literature skills to use

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