Confirmed or bias review?

Depends on games and I think it is true that ram affects gaming performance, AMD FineWine
Either way, Ryzen performance is expected to be better once issues are fixed. Though whether it will beat kaby lake or not is unknown..

Might need to dig more new review or feedback, as that guy mentioned he received huge Windows update. I almost cant believe the benchmark that 3.97GHz Ryzen 7 can win 5GHz i7

I wonder if I should get 4c/8t Ryzen instead of 6c/12t and get the fastest compatible memory kit available to "safe cost" since my main concern is gaming performance.

If you look at the benchmark that I posted in the previous page (my own video la) - the Ryzen 5 1600X will certainly be the best seller

Many games can't utilize that many cores yet so that model will fit the bill well, and should work great for streamers too.

Apparently it affect rendering performance as well, i guess faster/overclocked RAM improved CCXs communication speed. RAM manufacturers will love this.

If 4C/8T then for sure lost to i7 ( maybe even i5 ) then, as Intel have much higher clock speed and higher OC speed. If I'm still pure gaming then no doubt I will get i5/i7.

Ya, now have to decide between Ryzen 7 1700 or Ryzen 5 1600, both will be OCed and pair with higher speed RAM like 3200

Our wallet not so

I don't know, there is very little game that utilized >8 threads atm (Mafia 3 and Crysis 3?).
Simulated R5 1600x/1500x show that gaming performance difference is minimal compare to R7 chips because the IPC is the same and overclocking ceiling is probably similar as well.





Goldfries video also show similar result.
i5 build will cost more than a 1500x build, non-K i5 is no go, also i don't think i can go back to 4C/4T processor as i'm not pure gaming. I'm more of a alt+tab kinda of guys.

Another problem is platform, will next-gen Intel still use Socket 1151? It probably will since it just another SkylakeKabylake optimization but there is no confirmation about it.
AM4 will last many more years and i can upgrade to more powerful Ryzen or next-gen Ryzen anytime when many games start to use >8 threads in near future (knock on wood).

Erm, cant brain you bro

I said/wrote that Intel will win when comes to game. You deny it then go ahead explain why Ryzen 5 wont win

You said gaming is your main concern, I replied, then you said you're not pure gaming

For platform, mostly not a concern unless you're those that upgrade every generation. If you want future proofing for more than 8 threads, there's Ryzen 7 already available 1700 are pretty much 1800X, what you need are some time to OC it and it even comes with free RGB lighting cooler.

I know you're trying to convince that you want Ryzen 5 4core build Nothing wrong there
Unless I missed it, but there's no confirmation on Ryzen 5's core arrangement yet ( likely 6 core = 3+3 ), but if Ryzen 5 4 core are 2+2 then GG your gaming performance
You're better with true 8 cores or 6 cores if multitasking is your thing, than rely on that 8 threads ( which doesnt guarantee performance boost, if there is, will not be too much ).

This post has been edited by Someonesim: Mar 26 2017, 05:02 PM

haha cant really say too many thing
cause all is simulation
but i think if can better go for ryzen 5 1600x

I'm between Ryzen 7 1700 or Ryzen 5 1600, both non X coz will overclock anyway
Still awaiting stock for MSI B350 Tomahawk actic, am digging that white board theme

Not really a complete rebrand, more or less it's a refresh - think about the GTX770 is a refresh of the old 680.

A refresh usually comes with added advantage such as lower power consumption, better performance and overclockability (due to slightly higher quality yields). They are often cheaper than their predecessors too.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Mar 26 2017, 06:50 PM

ASUS and AMD GPUs are a terrible match

Can't complain about the price though

Nope, not always the case. I've done tests on my own, will be publishing it soon.

Case by case really, do not assume RAM speed affects all forms of rendering.

There's a difference between gaming and pushing of high-end GPU.

What Intel wins is pushing high-end GPU on such gaming rig, other than that the Ryzen works fine for gaming.

That will be good research

Need advice if we should cough out more money for that faster RAM

Hence why I have no issue aiming Ryzne 5 1600 now as I'm on X34 with 1070, which means most games are bottleneck on my GPU

Your reply here

Which i assumed you meant the 4C/8T Ryzen will lost to i5/i7 while the 6C/12T and over won't?


I should rephrase that, Ryzen's gaming performance is my main concern alongside budget. I've used 4C/8T processors for like 6-7 years? Along those years only Crysis 3 actually managed to utilized all 8 threads and over according to recent Ryzen reviews and another game that show similar scaling is Mafia 3? Battlefield 1 is another game but that only scale up to 8 threads.

IPC is the most important for gaming and since all Ryzen chips have similar oc ceiling and very few games will scale over/up to 8 threads then there is no reason for me to buy an R7.
My original plan is to get a 1600x/1600 but i was wondering if i could get away with 1500x and upgrade to Zen+ in a year or 2 since it will bring better IPC and maybe higher clock speed because of processing maturity. Hopefully they will fix or improve latency between CCXs as well.
Hopefully review of R5 will prove me wrong though.

AMD already confirmed that 6 cores will have 3+3 and 4 cores is 2+2. Multitasking was never a problem for me with my current processor.

I know.

I'm still on 1080p and got CPU bottlenecked pretty hard in some games. D:

I was referring to 4C/8T comparison, didnt mentioned anything about '6C/12T and over'

That's why I mentioned pure gaming, best choice is Intel i5/i7. If budget comes in place, multitasking etc than it's not 'pure gaming'

goldfries While you doing further/follow up test on Ryzen 7. Can you verify if performance are improved now with several Windows 10 update ? Saw video from DigitalFountry that have gaming performance gap to Kabylake narrow down.

Interested to know if RAM compatibility are better now, if BIOS update improve ? I'm between Asrock X370 killer SLI and MSI B350 tomahawk arctic. Former have more power phases and USB port at back panel but 2933MHz RAM support only, while latter had 3200MHz but less USB port. Would like to know if should aim for 3000MHz or 3200MHz RAM

RAM compatibility now is still the same. Some better, some worse, and mostly the same.
Need to wait for new AMD AGESA (aka CPU microcode).

I would go for ASRock X370 Killer SLI.


P.S. MSI B350 Tomahawk already received the beta BIOS with new AMD AGESA
which it can brick your M/B and not showing any improvement on memory compatibilty at the moment.

This post has been edited by Kanuki: Mar 27 2017, 12:00 PM