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post Sep 16 2014, 12:13 AM, updated 12y ago

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Previous Version of Gold Investment Corner
Buying Gold As Investment V1
Buying Gold As Investment V2
Buying Gold As Investment V3
Gold Investment Corner V4
Gold Investment Corner V5
Gold Investment Corner V6
Gold Investment Corner V7



1)Daily Gold Price RM/gram
Maybank Gold Counter Rates
CIMB Gold Investment Account
UOB Gold Investment Accounts
Public Bank Gold Investment Account


2)Live Gold Price --------> http://goldprice.org/spot-gold.html

3)Gold Volatility Index --------> http://www.cboe.com/micro/gvz/introduction.aspx

Comparison Between 5 Gold Investment Accounts
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Nice, new thread rclxms.gif

Price is going up again sweat.gif Hopefully it will crash further laugh.gif Plan to buy some end of the month hmm.gif
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congratulations on v8 rclxms.gif

QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Sep 16 2014, 12:35 AM)
Nice, new thread  rclxms.gif

Price is going up again  sweat.gif Hopefully it will crash further  laugh.gif Plan to buy some end of the month  hmm.gif
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seconded. i hope i can refrain myself fr shopping so much so can hv extra money by the end of this month..
already got some precious metal earlier thsi month, no more allocation, lol
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Aiyahh.. Everytime there is a new thread.. Gold always go down again.
Next time before the old thread end, just let me know.. I can short first. tongue.gif
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post Sep 16 2014, 10:10 AM

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5th... nice... cant wait to invest in gold rclxms.gif
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post Sep 16 2014, 10:42 AM

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check in... Congratulations on V8

Hope price drop lower than 1200 tongue.gif
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post Sep 16 2014, 07:51 PM

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i notice that the gold price has been in a range bound and nothing much exciting about gold... sigh... smile.gif
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Halo guys, anybody check the "Darul Emas Perak Enterprise / Berhad" on another forum? It seem only worry BNM kacau or wakalah agent runaway only..other than that, the ROI is astonishing...
Just wonder DEPB wakalah deal with non bumi or not ??
If can, then发达啦。
Now i am collecting capital minimum 5K....
Wait till DEPB audit report published then I ....
If report beautiful, then I.......JUMP
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ya... but still heard a lot of negative feedback...
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so fast new tread already..

Congratulations on V8

hope the gold price will increase back to 1600 leh sad.gif
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post Sep 18 2014, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(BlackPen @ Sep 17 2014, 07:00 PM)
so fast new tread already..

Congratulations on V8

hope the gold price will increase back to 1600 leh sad.gif
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Be patient.

I will start to accumulate in stages once it hits abt the 1200 level
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Maybank Gold Investment Account
DATE SELLING (RM/g) BUYING (RM/g)
18-Sep-14 129.95 124.53
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congratulations on V8. I am a silent reader with only kecil-kecilan investment sad.gif
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Hi, I would like to ask why there is a huge difference between the price of gold in bank and the physical gold bar bought from Poh Kong? At CIMB GIA price is 120 something and at Poh Kong it is 160 now.
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QUOTE(heng5410 @ Sep 18 2014, 03:41 PM)
Hi, I would like to ask why there is a huge difference between the price of gold in bank and the physical gold bar bought from Poh Kong? At CIMB GIA price is 120 something and at Poh Kong it is 160 now.
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marketing, production, shop rental, staff salary etc. biggrin.gif
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When it will go back to RM180+ range?
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When it will go back to RM180+ range?
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Malaysian gold jewellers may have to contend with a 20% to 30% drop in sales, when the country's proposed goods and services tax (GST) takes off on April 01 next year.

Penang Chinese Heng Woh Goldsmith Employees Union Vice Chairman Foong Hon Beng said the GST would have an impact on jewellery buyers' sentiment.

Globally, Foong said Malaysian gold jewellery exporters would continue to maintain their competitiveness when the GST is implemented.
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Hi guys, just a quick question..

does anyone know what's the buy back price of gold bar for example bunga raya by poh kong? and are there any extra charges on top of the buy back price?

thanks in advance
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QUOTE(roachie @ Sep 18 2014, 05:41 PM)
Hi guys, just a quick question..

does anyone know what's the buy back price of gold bar for example bunga raya by poh kong? and are there any extra charges on top of the buy back price?

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If I'm not wrong I think the current rate is 160/g and they will deduct 15%.
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QUOTE(Kenzochin7 @ Sep 18 2014, 08:00 PM)
If I'm not wrong I think the current rate is 160/g and they will deduct 15%.
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15% spread is huge ,
for investment , better go to public gold
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Chinese demand for gold slumps
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b9f34ed8-3f38-11...l#axzz3DgHtiBy1
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Gold Price drop, i'm about to withdraw but guess i need to wait first sad.gif
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Gold poised for third weekly drop on strong dollar, equities
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102014710
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1251 is a very strong resistant, its heading there.. high probability of a short bounce (profit taking, technical buys, sheeps..), its slips... it will wanna head to 1180.. goodbye goldie locks hehe

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QUOTE(heng5410 @ Sep 18 2014, 03:41 PM)
Hi, I would like to ask why there is a huge difference between the price of gold in bank and the physical gold bar bought from Poh Kong? At CIMB GIA price is 120 something and at Poh Kong it is 160 now.
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really 999 gold bar fr poh kong is rm160 ar?
cheapest i quoted before is rm180 wor.

u dont mean the display price at the panel there dont u? sweat.gif
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looking at the forecast pricing, the price may go up & then drop below 1200/oz
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 21 2014, 12:49 PM)
looking at the forecast pricing, the price may go up & then drop below 1200/oz
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Maybank Gold Investment Account
DATE SELLING (RM/g) BUYING (RM/g)
22-Sep-14 128.43 123.09
Last update : 22-Sep-14 at 09:52:02 AM

1 oz = 28.350 gram

We need to pay RM3640.9905 to buy 28.350 gram of paper gold from Maybank today

! US = RM3.1


So, We need to pay USD1174.51 to buy 28.350 gram of paper gold from Maybank today

It is below USD1200

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QUOTE(sms2u @ Sep 22 2014, 10:37 AM)
Maybank Gold Investment Account
DATE  SELLING (RM/g)  BUYING (RM/g)
22-Sep-14  128.43  123.09
Last update :  22-Sep-14 at 09:52:02 AM

1 oz = 28.350 gram

We need to pay RM3640.9905 to buy 28.350 gram  of paper gold from Maybank today

! US = RM3.1
So, We need to pay RM1174.51 to buy 28.350 gram  of paper gold from Maybank today

It is below RM1200
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actually more lower. because.
1 USD = MYR 3.23.
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QUOTE(sms2u @ Sep 22 2014, 10:37 AM)
Maybank Gold Investment Account
DATE  SELLING (RM/g)  BUYING (RM/g)
22-Sep-14  128.43  123.09
Last update :  22-Sep-14 at 09:52:02 AM

1 oz = 28.350 gram

We need to pay RM3640.9905 to buy 28.350 gram  of paper gold from Maybank today

! US = RM3.1
So, We need to pay RM1174.51 to buy 28.350 gram  of paper gold from Maybank today

It is below RM1200
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sorry, should be below USD1200/oz not RM1200/oz blush.gif
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Anyone experience with buying gold coins from buysilvermalaysia.com? Is it safe and reliable? tq
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Gold looks likely to test $1,200; silver dips to 4-yr low
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/commoditi...ow_1185341.html

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Bottom line?

Gold bears have come close to the December 31, 2013 low at $1,185 and they will force a test of that floor. It could be sooner, it could be later. But, be alert, be nimble, it is coming .
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i think nubex is better if you are worried if it's trustworthy or not..

QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 22 2014, 04:17 PM)
Anyone experience with buying gold coins from buysilvermalaysia.com? Is it safe and reliable? tq
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Sep 23 2014, 12:21 AM)
i think nubex is better if you are worried if it's trustworthy or not..
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Thanks but they out of stock on item I want, American Eagle gold coin.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 22 2014, 03:25 PM)
sorry, should be below USD1200/oz not RM1200/oz blush.gif
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Changed, tq
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Sep 23 2014, 12:21 AM)
i think nubex is better if you are worried if it's trustworthy or not..
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but nubex use taqbin courier it took forever before delievered to ur hand.
luckily the customer service is reachable via online chat dont hv to call n such.
otherwise nubex is nice, the price offerings also competitive thumbup.gif
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woah! gold price USD1,228/oz
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for those with small capital or want to allocate 10% of their salary in physical gold now public gold is providing a program which is called Gold Accumulation Program (GAP)...in this program the participant only need to pay a min RM100 per month and u can change to physical gold as low as 1g...this will be the best program for those who want to make gold as their asset for long period...please pm me for more info about this program...thank you...

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Is the Worst Over for Gold?
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Hi everyone,

I was approached by a fren in fb saying there is a great opportunity for gold investment.
All I need to do is to put money in, let's say RM1800 for a lot.

I will get back RM1500 in a month. And for the subsequent 5 months I will get like RM300++. And the project is over and restart back the cycle.

What kind of investment is this?
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QUOTE(oniomaniac @ Sep 24 2014, 09:00 PM)
Hi everyone,

I was approached by a fren in fb saying there is a great opportunity for gold investment.
All I need to do is to put money in, let's say RM1800 for a lot.

I will get back RM1500 in a month. And for the subsequent 5 months I will get like RM300++. And the project is over and restart back the cycle.

What kind of investment is this?
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im aware of this also but cant confirm on the returns...anyone gone thru??

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i also aware of this....but how true??
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QUOTE(mahdes77 @ Sep 25 2014, 12:10 AM)
i also aware of this....but how true??
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Too good to be true..just my 2c.

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QUOTE(oniomaniac @ Sep 24 2014, 09:00 PM)
Hi everyone,

I was approached by a fren in fb saying there is a great opportunity for gold investment.
All I need to do is to put money in, let's say RM1800 for a lot.

I will get back RM1500 in a month. And for the subsequent 5 months I will get like RM300++. And the project is over and restart back the cycle.

What kind of investment is this?
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its everywhere in this subforum now.. perhaps you could ask the person whats the risk involved..
investment always involves risk. at that rate of return, the risk cant be low i suppose?
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QUOTE(mahdes77 @ Sep 25 2014, 12:09 AM)
im aware of this also but cant confirm on the returns...anyone gone thru??
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QUOTE(mahdes77 @ Sep 25 2014, 12:10 AM)
i also aware of this....but how true??
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QUOTE(tchtax @ Sep 25 2014, 08:14 AM)
Too good to be true..just my 2c.
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QUOTE(call me random @ Sep 25 2014, 08:18 AM)
its everywhere in this subforum now.. perhaps you could ask the person whats the risk involved..
investment always involves risk. at that rate of return, the risk cant be low i suppose?
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Ponzi scheme.
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QUOTE(oniomaniac @ Sep 24 2014, 09:00 PM)
Hi everyone,

I was approached by a fren in fb saying there is a great opportunity for gold investment.
All I need to do is to put money in, let's say RM1800 for a lot.

I will get back RM1500 in a month. And for the subsequent 5 months I will get like RM300++. And the project is over and restart back the cycle.

What kind of investment is this?
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QUOTE(mahdes77 @ Sep 25 2014, 12:10 AM)
i also aware of this....but how true??
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too good to be true. so it's a brows.gif
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I just opened a gold investment account via maybank. Probably a medium-long term hedging instrument.. will probably aim to shift about 10-15% of myself into gold
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Sep 25 2014, 01:28 PM)
I just opened a gold investment account via maybank. Probably a medium-long term hedging instrument.. will probably aim to shift about 10-15% of myself into gold
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i bought at RM128.10/gm at UOB today. What price you got
at MBB?
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i bought  at RM128.10/gm at UOB today. What price you got
at MBB?
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Oh ur rate better. I got 129.38 xD oh well.
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QUOTE(oniomaniac @ Sep 24 2014, 09:00 PM)
Hi everyone,

I was approached by a fren in fb saying there is a great opportunity for gold investment.
All I need to do is to put money in, let's say RM1800 for a lot.

I will get back RM1500 in a month. And for the subsequent 5 months I will get like RM300++. And the project is over and restart back the cycle.

What kind of investment is this?
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too good to be true... u sure his a fren?
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so by april next year does gst will be implement in gold trading also? if it does what is the positive and negative impact to gold buyers? will it also be implement in arrahnu outlets...hmm...anyone want to discuss about this...?
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i read on newspaper yesterday..no GST for gold trading
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i read on newspaper yesterday..no GST for gold trading
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if its true then thats great...if not most of the gold buyer/scalper/investor will get an headache a bit la...because with gst sure gold of price will increase alot...

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i also aware of this....but how true??
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Just found out the deal.
It's all about the eta gold and delay thingy and link to a lot of stuffs.
Try google and u will know.
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Hi sifus,

I'm a newbie here and need all of ur guidance on how to invest in gold. I'm a student, just wanting to do some small investment with low risk. It will be kind if anyone of u could educate me on gold investment. I have RM2k to start off, so may I know what is the min to start an account? And which bank?

Thanks in advance
Cheers 😄
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QUOTE(jackdripper @ Sep 27 2014, 03:46 PM)
Hi sifus,

I'm a newbie here and need all of ur guidance on how to invest in gold. I'm a student, just wanting to do some small investment with low risk. It will be kind if anyone of u could educate me on gold investment. I have RM2k to start off, so may I know what is the min to start an account? And which bank?

Thanks in advance
Cheers 😄
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Hi.. Pass by poh kong n their price is 150/g. They intro me bunga raya 999. Anyone invest in this? Mind sharing ? I'm new in gold
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still waiting for price to drop below 1200 then I might open an account in UOB laugh.gif
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QUOTE(jackdripper @ Sep 27 2014, 03:46 PM)
Hi sifus,

I'm a newbie here and need all of ur guidance on how to invest in gold. I'm a student, just wanting to do some small investment with low risk. It will be kind if anyone of u could educate me on gold investment. I have RM2k to start off, so may I know what is the min to start an account? And which bank?

Thanks in advance
Cheers 😄
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Maybank, CIMB, UOB have Gold Investment Account. Which one is nearest u take it. Min I think is around 5g icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(lucille.woon @ Sep 27 2014, 06:23 PM)
Hi.. Pass by poh kong n their price is 150/g. They intro me bunga raya 999. Anyone invest in this? Mind sharing ? I'm new in gold
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As for me Poh Kong spread not that good..personally I like more their jewellery..I attached here their pricing when their price was165/g..they also show you their buyback price. If you want more value for your money, than go for Public Gold gold bar, their spread also low and no problem if the seal is open. Poh kong will deduct 25% straight away if you open the Bunga Raya seal. [attachmentid=4150204]


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Hi.. Pass by poh kong n their price is 150/g. They intro me bunga raya 999. Anyone invest in this? Mind sharing ? I'm new in gold
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QUOTE(zodd @ Sep 27 2014, 10:00 PM)
As for me Poh Kong spread not that good..personally I like more their jewellery..I attached here their pricing when their price was165/g..they also show you their buyback price. If you want more value for your money, than go for Public Gold gold bar, their spread also low and no problem if the seal is open. Poh kong will deduct 25% straight away if you open the Bunga Raya seal. [attachmentid=4150204]
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Public gold bar buy back price is how ya? Any term n cons there ? I can't find full info in their website .
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QUOTE(lucille.woon @ Sep 28 2014, 10:01 PM)
Public gold bar buy back price is how ya? Any term n cons there ? I can't find full info in their website .
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See the attachment. To sell back you must bring the certificate that came along with the gold or they will charge you RM10 for it. Must bring the gold to their office [nearest to your location] and they will bank in the money to your account within 1-2 working days. that's all.

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anyone heard pump suisse?? gold investment....
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hi...anyone mind spare some time explain how to gain profit through physical gold & paper gold ?

pros and cons ?
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the spread with public gold is around 4%-6% for gold bar and dinar...however for their jewellery product is around 10% - 14%...if u want to earn less spread its best if u go for dealer title 1%, priority dealer 1.5% and master dealer 2%...

for more information please pm me as im a public gold dealer...

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Sep 29 2014, 09:17 AM)
the spread with public gold is around 4%-6% for gold bar and dinar...however for their jewellery product is around 10% - 14%...if u want to earn less spread its best if u  go for dealer title 1%, priority dealer 1.5% and master dealer 2%...

for more information please pm me as im a public gold dealer...
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why the different between dealer, priority dealer and master dealer discounts? is public gold is MLM / direct selling kind of company?
as I know gold is a commodity that cant be MLM-ed, hence this already against Malaysia's law.
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QUOTE(fnm83 @ Sep 30 2014, 11:14 AM)
why the different between dealer, priority dealer and master dealer discounts? is public gold is MLM / direct selling kind of company?
as I know gold is a commodity that cant be MLM-ed, hence this already against Malaysia's law.
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this is not MLM...it is the differences from how much they spend on their 1st purchased of gold...buy 30k they will earn dealer title...buy 150k earn priority dealer and buy 1 million earn master dealer...this is not mlm scheme...just a commission give by public gold to the type of buyer who buy gold with their company...all the money they spend will get the physical gold on their hands...we are never conduct MLM activities to all our members or customers...thats why we never promise any returns or fix profit to all of our customers and members...its simply on this basis buy, keep and sell...we also do teach some techniques on how to manipulate or get advantage by gold trading...

we usually refer this commission as spread deduction...

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Sep 30 2014, 12:33 PM)
this is not MLM...it is the differences from how much they spend on their 1st purchased of gold...buy 30k they will earn dealer title...buy 150k earn priority dealer and buy 1 million earn master dealer...this is not mlm scheme...just a commission give by public gold to the type of buyer who buy gold with their company...all the money they spend will get the physical gold on their hands...we are never conduct MLM activities to all our members or customers...thats why we never promise any returns or fix profit to all of our customers and members...its simply on this basis buy, keep and sell...we also do teach some techniques on how to manipulate or get advantage by gold trading...

we usually refer this commission as spread deduction...
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I see.. thanks a lot for explanation.
It is kind of very hard just to get 2% commission.. 1 million purchase yo.

another question, I bought 1mil of Public Gold gold bar from you, so I entitled master dealer title already. the next day, my friend made a purchase of rm1mil from me. I entitle 2% commission. will you entitle anything?
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QUOTE(fnm83 @ Sep 30 2014, 01:28 PM)
I see.. thanks a lot for explanation.
It is kind of very hard just to get 2% commission.. 1 million purchase yo.

another question, I bought 1mil of Public Gold gold bar from you, so I entitled master dealer title already. the next day, my friend made a purchase of rm1mil from me. I entitle 2% commission. will you entitle anything?
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nope...if ur friend also purchased 1 million ur friend will be the one who earn 2% commission...u otherwise only will get 0.5% (if not mistaken)...however if any customer who bought from u and not meet the min requirement which is dealer title u will earn their purchased commission as they are not qualified.

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Have a feeling it will head south tonite or tomorrow....
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Have a feeling it will head south tonite or tomorrow....
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talk about having placed order everything n seeing the live pricing dragging the items prices down yet u cant do anything and havent even received the said items sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(call me random @ Sep 30 2014, 11:17 PM)
talk about having placed order everything n seeing the live pricing dragging the items prices down yet u cant do anything and havent even received the said items  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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I know how that feels man. Are you going to get any more gold soon or wait for a few more weeks ?
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Sep 30 2014, 11:33 PM)
I know how that feels man. Are you going to get any more gold soon or wait for a few more weeks ?
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thank you for getting me, laugh.gif
nahh my monthly allocation already maxed out
owait who am i kidding, its already over budget.
impulse buying much sweat.gif

but if its go down so much might get like 1g just because. just..because.. lol
dollar cost averaging sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(call me random @ Sep 30 2014, 11:43 PM)
thank you for getting me, laugh.gif
nahh my monthly allocation already maxed out
owait who am i kidding, its already over budget.
impulse buying much  sweat.gif

but if its go down so much might get like 1g just because. just..because.. lol
dollar cost averaging  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Agreed with your method of dollar cost averaging. But it isn't really worth to get 1gram bars rights ? Premium is pretty high on it.

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Oct 1 2014, 05:43 AM)
Agreed with your method of dollar cost averaging. But it isn't really worth to get 1gram bars rights ? Premium is pretty high on it.
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well never acquired one to be frank.. but the lowest priced now is the pamp low cost version going 156+ plus the shipping for 10, 166.. if it gets any lower... could really be a good deal, right?


do u hv any specific limit when it comes to premium of ur purchases?
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seeing the down trend of gold prices..is it a good time to stock in now ?
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seeing the down trend of gold prices..is it a good time to stock in now ?
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I think the price could go even lower hmm.gif It's your decision icon_rolleyes.gif
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seeing the down trend of gold prices..is it a good time to stock in now ?
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i'm going to wait for a clear direction
this is the 3rd time and usually be the last to see if the support (usd1200/oz) will hold or not
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QUOTE(epie @ Oct 1 2014, 10:00 PM)
i'm going to wait for a clear direction
this is the 3rd time and usually be the last to see if the support (usd1200/oz) will hold or not
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how to see...this chance so tempting ... will gold price drop further as past 20 years ago ? lol...
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its been decade since the price shoot high up ... taww cry.gif
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QUOTE(epie @ Oct 1 2014, 10:00 PM)
i'm going to wait for a clear direction
this is the 3rd time and usually be the last to see if the support (usd1200/oz) will hold or not
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please explain more hmm.gif icon_question.gif
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is buysilvermalaysia.com reliable ? anyone have experience?
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try buysilvermalaysia and silvermalaysia....2 different companies.
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please explain more  hmm.gif  icon_question.gif
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it is purely a technical analysis
u can see it from the chart
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try buysilvermalaysia and silvermalaysia....2 different companies.
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meaning both reliable ?
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QUOTE(call me random @ Oct 1 2014, 08:20 AM)
well never acquired one to be frank.. but the lowest priced now is the pamp low cost version going 156+ plus the shipping for 10, 166.. if it gets any lower... could really be a good deal, right?
do u hv any specific limit when it comes to premium of ur purchases?
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Not a professional when it comes to buying precious metals but i guess sticking to the minimum of 10g or 20g would be an ideal choice since the spread is smaller.

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Oct 3 2014, 11:49 AM)
Not a professional when it comes to buying precious metals but i guess sticking to the minimum of 10g or 20g would be an ideal choice since the spread is smaller.
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thats..few yrs of my hardwork combined, let see.. not even close wor
i should work harder now
gold digger mode on! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(call me random @ Oct 3 2014, 12:09 PM)
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thats..few yrs of my hardwork combined, let see.. not even close wor
i should work harder now
gold digger mode on! laugh.gif
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Dont rush into it man. Theres various other options that you could invest in.
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Oct 3 2014, 12:44 PM)
Dont rush into it man. Theres various other options that you could invest in.
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i dont really investing actually, just merely saving before starting to invest
perhaps could cash out more money in about 3 yrs time?

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Price just went under 1200usd hmm.gif

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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Oct 3 2014, 09:24 PM)
Price just went under 2000usd  hmm.gif
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Under 2K?? it's going under 1K soon! brows.gif

SELL SELL SELL!
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Oct 3 2014, 09:26 PM)
Under 2K?? it's going under 1K soon!   brows.gif

SELL SELL SELL!
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Or maybe time to buy more brows.gif brows.gif

edit: Just notice the typo laugh.gif

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I think I'll wait on the sidelines, until the 'bloodletting' settles down. Selling too vicious. I think the new resistance has now been set at 1, 200.
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all of you buy paper gold or physical ?
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Or maybe time to buy more brows.gif  brows.gif

edit: Just notice the typo  laugh.gif
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Seriously, don't buy or invest in Gold now. Big money is already out.
Only lemmings get sucked in.


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hi anywhere i can find details on how this gold investment things? especially with banks. any help much appreciated
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Oct 3 2014, 09:37 PM)
Seriously, don't buy or invest in Gold now. Big money is already out.
Only lemmings get sucked in.
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so when to buy or invest? hmm.gif icon_question.gif notworthy.gif
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Probably close below 1, 190 this weekend and follow through down on monday when asia opens. Don't stand in the way of a rampaging bear.
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Look at the USD! It's getting stronger because US economy is recovering and getting stronger.
The jobs report is pretty strong this month.

Who wants to hold Gold? They're dumping it. European dumping, China dumping it.

Get USD and buy US stocks! They got yield! They got earnings.

Gold is nice to look at.. that's it! Piece of useless metal.

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Oct 3 2014, 10:22 PM)
Look at the USD! It's getting stronger because US economy is recovering and getting stronger.
The jobs report is pretty strong this month.

Who wants to hold Gold? They're dumping it.  European dumping, China dumping  it.

Get USD and buy US stocks!  They got yield! They got earnings.

Gold is nice to look at.. that's it! Piece of useless metal.
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i still want to believe its precious rather than useless..
i dont get it why the need to sell when price is going down.
gold is less an investment than that of preservation of wealth..

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Oct 3 2014, 10:22 PM)
Look at the USD! It's getting stronger because US economy is recovering and getting stronger.
The jobs report is pretty strong this month.

Who wants to hold Gold? They're dumping it.  European dumping, China dumping  it.

Get USD and buy US stocks!  They got yield! They got earnings.

Gold is nice to look at.. that's it! Piece of useless metal.
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Tapering will be completed by end of this year, it means the end of QE. Then rate hike will be expected to happen in end of next year depend on the economy data.The gold price will be further down and hit the bottom then stagnant for a time of period. I dont know how long it will be stagnant but you can check the gold price between 1980s-2000. Bear in mind that you will not earn any interest if u hold gold. However I might be wrong. Good luck!
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QUOTE(nicholaskhlow @ Oct 3 2014, 11:05 PM)
Tapering will be completed by end of this year, it means the end of QE. Then rate hike will be expected to happen in end of next year depend on the economy data.The gold price will be further down and hit the bottom then stagnant for a time of period. I dont know how long it will be stagnant but you can check the gold price between 1980s-2000. Bear in mind that you will not earn any interest if u hold gold. However I might be wrong. Good luck!
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alright, while we are at that, what happen to our ringgit value? can gold be better against the inflation or not? say the guy above is right about the USD strengthening, but our gov doing eveything there is signalling the weakening. im paid in ringgit sad.gif
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alright, while we are at that, what happen to our ringgit value? can gold be better against the inflation or not? say the guy above is right about the USD strengthening, but our gov doing eveything there is signalling the weakening. im paid in ringgit sad.gif
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Again, the same argument been made that it is hedge against inflation over and over so many times.

The reality of the fact is there is little or no inflation elsewhere.
Inflation is not happening in the developed market.. only in the emerging market (like Malaysia).
The problem is emerging market like Malaysia does not have enough Gold buyers to move the prices up.
The ringgit is weak and pathetic. Who wants this? Who uses it?

Ask yourself who in the world wants to takes in Ringgit and sell you Gold? Literally nobody outside Malaysia!

Never buy gold in Ringgit terms. It's a losing proposition and downward spiral.
Better put Ringgit in Fixed Deposit for one year - at least can get 3.5% yield or better.







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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Oct 3 2014, 11:21 PM)
Again, the same argument been made that it is hedge against inflation over and over so many times.

The reality of the fact is there is little or no inflation elsewhere.
Inflation is not happening in the developed market.. only in the emerging market (like Malaysia).
The problem is emerging market like Malaysia does not have enough Gold buyers to move the prices up.
The ringgit is weak and pathetic. Who wants this? Who uses it?

Ask yourself who in the world wants to takes in Ringgit and sell you Gold? Literally nobody outside Malaysia!

Never buy gold in Ringgit terms. It's a losing proposition and downward spiral.
Better put Ringgit in Fixed Deposit for one year - at least can get 3.5% yield or better.
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i dont quite get u now.. ok inflation is due to happen here in malaysia, not in developed market, ok..

as for who would takes in rm for gold.. thats quite the other way around.
we accumulate gold, when we need money we sell gold, takes in the RM. in fact gold is tradable in any other currency.
by currency i do mean the the officials and the unofficials like the bitcoin, the hourmoney and such that has been started to be widely accepted globally

say the i do keep some money, inflation hits hard, i suffer.
if i hv gold, i need to sell the gold, even the price in USD is not getting any higher, chances are, i can get more ringgit than what i have paid before
n some of my savings is in the FD of some sort, that hopefully if doesnt grow as much, can curb the inflation rate even by just a few..

n i dont see why i shouldnt buy gold in ringgit eihter.. mind to shed some more light?
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That the thing about investment. There is always risks involve. It may go south or north, depends on which side you are on laugh.gif I would say diversify your investments, the saying "dont put all your eggs in one basket". I will probably wait till nov & see where it goes.

http://www.examiner.com/article/china-will...-currency-reset


By looking at the rate its dropping, it might even reach 1180 before market closes laugh.gif Its now at 1,191.00. Interesting...

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That the thing about investment. There is always risks involve. It may go south or north, depends on which side you are on laugh.gif I would say diversify your investments, the saying "dont put all your eggs in one basket". I will probably wait till nov & see where it goes.

http://www.examiner.com/article/china-will...-currency-reset
By looking at the rate its dropping, it might even reach 1180 before market closes  laugh.gif Its now at 1,191.00. Interesting...
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Time to stack more yeah!
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So theres a possibility for it to touch the 800 to 900 mark by the end of the year ?
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any of you follow world renknown economist expert advise on gold and stock forecasting? i just found out 1 very good site that summarize a group of world famous economist forecasting. Ill post it here once i found it again...
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next support is 1000usd/oz...this is the strongest support of all
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 4 2014, 01:24 PM)
any of you follow world renknown economist expert advise on gold and stock forecasting? i just found out 1 very good site that summarize a group of world famous economist forecasting. Ill post it here once i found it again...
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Jim Rodgers is one of the guys that i have been following.
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Oct 4 2014, 03:55 PM)
Jim Rodgers is one of the guys that i have been following.
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good. i follow a few of them. but i have to point out that somestimes even the expert themselves got it wrong 50% of the time....so its best to follow a few expert advice and forecasting....
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As the world is flooded with money due to QE / stimulus, every item price goes up in relative to the worth of the money. But as the gold standard is no longer used, do you think gold will still be consider a store of value ?

I see not much use for gold except for jewelry and other production use, as such with the scare of USD collapse gone the fair value for gold should be around 1100 ~ 1150 level based on production cost ?
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pls stay below 1200, it is best to have 1000usd. then only masuk stock tongue.gif
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So theres a possibility for it to touch the 800 to 900 mark by the end of the year ?
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Don't think this will happen, unless some major market movement happen. Such low value will not provide incentive for mining company to mine and produce gold. Leading to demand > supply and prices goes back up.

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Don't think this will happen, unless some major market movement happen. Such low value will not provide incentive for mining company to mine and produce gold. Leading to demand > supply and prices goes back up.
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Was reading an article or watching a youtube video online that interviewed one of these traders around the beginning of the year. He claims that if gold touches 1100 or 1050 then seeing it touch the 800 to 900 marks is pretty easy.

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Oct 5 2014, 08:55 PM)
As the world is flooded with money due to QE / stimulus, every item price goes up in relative to the worth of the money. But as the gold standard is no longer used, do you think gold will still be consider a store of value ?

I see not much use for gold except for jewelry and other production use, as such with the scare of USD collapse gone the fair value for gold should be around 1100 ~ 1150 level based on production cost ?
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Good point to ponder there smile.gif
As for me. I like precious metals. For ups n downs hopefully. Not vr firm on that but I wl try to hold on to it n take opportunity to stack should the low price became stagnant..
Some other like rare rocks diamonds sapphire ruby emerald.
Some collects paintings. Some collect antics.
We believe these items hold some value.. And some sentiments to it making the owner pleased to see it even they hold no real measurable value. And suprisingly there are people are willing to to hv that in exchange of great deal of money.

So yeah.. Maybe u can find something u really adore n willing to put ur money to.. It doesn't always have to gold.
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Oct 4 2014, 11:06 AM)
So theres a possibility for it to touch the 800 to 900 mark by the end of the year ?
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Good point to ponder there smile.gif
As for me. I like precious metals. For ups n downs hopefully. Not vr firm on that but I wl try to hold on to it n take opportunity to stack should the low price became stagnant..
Some other like rare rocks diamonds sapphire ruby emerald.
Some collects paintings. Some collect antics.
We believe these items hold some value.. And some sentiments to it making the owner pleased to see it even they hold no real measurable value. And suprisingly there are people are willing to to hv that in exchange of great deal of money.

So yeah.. Maybe u can find something u really adore n willing to put ur money to.. It doesn't always have to gold.
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Not to forget the guys that love getting luxury watches. I personally have a few friends that opt getting several high end watches like Panerai, AP and certain Rolex models with an aim of preserving the value of the watch. The rolex submariner is definitely a watch that holds its value.

So yeah, make sure that you enjoying buying the goods that you're getting.
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I like basic need commodities eg corn wheat soy sugar. Human appetite and population growth will ensure steady demand.

But nothing is 100% even those prices are tumbling as new technology allow food to be produce cheaper and faster than before
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Oct 5 2014, 09:36 PM)
Not to forget the guys that love getting luxury watches. I personally have a few friends that opt getting several high end watches like Panerai, AP and certain Rolex models with an aim of preserving the value of the watch. The rolex submariner is definitely a watch that holds its value.

So yeah, make sure that you enjoying buying the goods that you're getting.
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I've been cautiously to not to mention that category laugh.gif
I love watches too.. Among other things. Aesthetics n engineering reason mainly.. W rose gold elements preferably.

Perhaps after I hv enough gold n other things first..
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Just think about if additional purchase need to go bank to queue up then  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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if u don't want, can always buy at maybank or cimb. open new account only go branch, additional can do online rclxms.gif
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2014/0...-gold/15909821/

Another thing about gold is that its inert and recyclable, so the amount of accessible gold in the world will keep on increasing as people keep mining gold.
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Today, gold price rm129.24 at maybank. Is it signa to buy?
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Going into 2015 ...it could also drop less than 1000usd per ounce....keep in mind must hold for long term n dont bet your emergency or life savings on it...
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QUOTE(tigana @ Oct 6 2014, 07:45 PM)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2014/0...-gold/15909821/

Another thing about gold is that its inert and recyclable, so the amount of accessible gold in the world will keep on increasing as people keep mining gold.
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I like your point. But as opposed to currency, the rate or amount of gold is still way lower compared to fiat. If you have the money to buy some, think it as a saving. Gold's value will always there as people are trying to protect its value.

IMHO, I still think gold is a worthy investment. But don't put all eggs in one basket.
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QUOTE(call me random @ Oct 5 2014, 09:30 PM)
Good point to ponder there smile.gif
As for me. I like precious metals. For ups n downs hopefully. Not vr firm on that but I wl try to hold on to it n take opportunity to stack should the low price became stagnant..
Some other like rare rocks diamonds sapphire ruby emerald.
Some collects paintings. Some collect antics.
We believe these items hold some value.. And some sentiments to it making the owner pleased to see it even they hold no real measurable value. And suprisingly there are people are willing to to hv that in exchange of great deal of money.

So yeah.. Maybe u can find something u really adore n willing to put ur money to.. It doesn't always have to gold.
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Good to diversify and include gold as part of your portfolio. Get physical gold if possible especially gold coins. Gold has been valuable for thousands of years and I believe would continue for thousands more. Gold coins is not just gold but also a collectors item. Physical gold is the only asset of value that you can bring with you if you want to flee the country in case of war etc. You can't bring your house and Ringgit Malaysia is of no value by then. I would like to have 10% of my wealth in gold, both in physical gold and gold account. Not there yet though. Of course the other pie in diversification is having assets in foreign countries like the USA etc.
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Going into 2015 ...it could also drop less than 1000usd per ounce....keep in mind must hold for long term n dont bet your emergency or life savings on it...
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how come so ? mind shed some more light?
got insider info ? sad.gif
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how come so ? mind shed some more light?
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Unemployment rate has fallen. USD has been appreciating and investors have been opting to invest in other high yielding instruments.
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if so, gold would slowly turn to scrap metal then  sad.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Oct 7 2014, 02:34 PM)
Good to diversify and include gold as part of your portfolio. Get physical gold if possible especially gold coins. Gold has been valuable for thousands of years and I believe would continue for thousands more. Gold coins is not just gold but also a collectors item. Physical gold is the only asset of value that you can bring with you if you want to flee the country in case of war etc. You can't bring your house and Ringgit Malaysia is of no value by then. I would like to have 10% of my wealth in gold, both in physical gold and gold account. Not there yet though. Of course the other pie in diversification is having assets in foreign countries like the USA etc.
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In the olden days, yes before the internet and air travel, gold was good to have in case of war.
Nowadays you can transfer funds from Malaysia to any country in a few minutes. I also heard some millionaires (I am not one smile.gif) carry around a single Singapore 10K note or several USD100 notes in their wallet as emergency.
But I agree, its a good idea to have a little gold in your portfolio.
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QUOTE(tigana @ Oct 8 2014, 02:47 PM)
In the olden days, yes before the internet and air travel, gold was good to have in case of war.
Nowadays you can transfer funds from Malaysia to any country in a few minutes. I also heard some millionaires (I am not one smile.gif) carry around a single Singapore 10K note or several USD100 notes in their wallet as emergency.
But I agree, its a good idea to have a little gold in your portfolio.
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Is there a way to transfer to foreign country in minutes? I'm interested to know. I normally would go to the bank to make the transfer. Thanks.
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Is there a way to transfer to foreign country in minutes? I'm interested to know. I normally would go to the bank to make the transfer. Thanks.
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A well off friend of mine demonstrated to me through his HSBC Premier account. But to have this account for free, you need to have at least 200K in the balance.
After that, they allow you to open Premier accounts in other countries. The transfer between this accounts become easy. I think other banks may have similar features.

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Now Big question for the year is, will GST applies to Gold?

Anyhow my dilemma stopping me from buying is,

1. Physical Gold, need to get place to store. Storage in Bank need to pay yearly services also. Put at home = Risk.
2. Paper Gold, Buy/Sell spread is high.
3. CIMB/Maybank paper Gold, Convienience and can do online but wide spread of Buy/Sell.
4. UOB, Have to go Bank to do it. And on top of that, must have saving account before getting the gold account. It's a hassle for people nowadays to queue at the bank.

Enlighten me please.
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so you think will go down ?
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may i know when is the next QE coming? since the economy is going down..
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iinm read somewhere its eoy... then spot price wl go down n stagnant summore sweat.gif
not very pleasing read i hv came across
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WHta i meant was that was this graph created by you based on your own judgements or was it taken from a website ?

Just realised the name of the website on the graph
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I believe price will go up by 22nd oct (well it recovered a little bit from the crash & now its at USD1223). Price is now low & deepavali is near so I think indians in india will be buying gold soon.

Will be selling mine by end of oct before it crashes further tongue.gif
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QUOTE(knight @ Oct 9 2014, 05:09 PM)
Now Big question for the year is, will GST applies to Gold?

Anyhow my dilemma stopping me from buying is,

1. Physical Gold, need to get place to store. Storage in Bank need to pay yearly services also. Put at home = Risk.
2. Paper Gold, Buy/Sell spread is high.
3. CIMB/Maybank paper Gold, Convienience and can do online but wide spread of Buy/Sell.
4. UOB, Have to go Bank to do it. And on top of that, must have saving account before getting the gold account. It's a hassle for people nowadays to queue at the bank.

Enlighten me please.
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1. Physical Gold, need to get place to store. Storage in Bank need to pay yearly services also. Put at home = Risk. <--- similarly my concern. but i dont have that much to store at banks also.. need to gamble on this sweat.gif
2. Paper Gold, Buy/Sell spread is high. <---- its not PIDM protected, should u want to liquidate, might have to sell at loss within this 2 yrs. the world has more and more suprises for us. na ah for me. my only saving in banks is in form of investment. need to diversify.
3. CIMB/Maybank paper Gold, Convienience and can do online but wide spread of Buy/Sell. <--- refer above.
4. UOB, Have to go Bank to do it. And on top of that, must have saving account before getting the gold account. It's a hassle for people nowadays to queue at the bank.

plus for the papergolds, u might want to check hows the procedure to get the pysical form of ur gold. CIMB for example can only allow minimum 100g with a certain fee. some only allowed to be collected at main branch in KL. if thats not an issue for u, then go for it.
but always remember the old wisdom, its not urs until u can hold it.

for me, its always crucial to determine the enter and exit strategy. not just applicable for share market, i dont do stocks. but just anything.
i get the tips from a very old timer Comando. before u get in, must plan the easiest way out.
if i want to buy gold using my spare cash, i must hv a way to get the cash back.

and i go anywhere, i reverse parking the car thumbup.gif
(until my straight parking skill so bad because lack of practice lol)

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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Oct 12 2014, 08:06 PM)
I believe price will go up by 22nd oct (well it recovered a little bit from the crash & now its at USD1223). Price is now low & deepavali is near so I think indians in india will be buying gold soon.

Will be selling mine by end of oct before it crashes further tongue.gif
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QUOTE(call me random @ Oct 13 2014, 10:21 AM)
1. Physical Gold, need to get place to store. Storage in Bank need to pay yearly services also. Put at home = Risk. <--- similarly my concern. but i dont have that much to store at banks also.. need to gamble on this sweat.gif
2. Paper Gold, Buy/Sell spread is high. <---- its not PIDM protected, should u want to liquidate, might have to sell at loss within this 2 yrs. the world has more and more suprises for us. na ah for me. my only saving in banks is in form of investment. need to diversify.
3. CIMB/Maybank paper Gold, Convienience and can do online but wide spread of Buy/Sell. <--- refer above.
4. UOB, Have to go Bank to do it. And on top of that, must have saving account before getting the gold account. It's a hassle for people nowadays to queue at the bank.

plus for the papergolds, u might want to check hows the procedure to get the pysical form of ur gold. CIMB for example can only allow minimum 100g with a certain fee. some only allowed to be collected at main branch in KL. if thats not an issue for u, then go for it.
but always remember the old wisdom, its not urs until u can hold it.

for me, its always crucial to determine the enter and exit strategy. not just applicable for share market, i dont do stocks. but just anything.
i get the tips from a very old timer Comando. before u get in, must plan the easiest way out.
if i want to buy gold using my spare cash, i must hv a way to get the cash back.

and i go anywhere, i reverse parking the car  thumbup.gif
(until my straight parking skill so bad because lack of practice lol)
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Nice advise. So, in the end your mean is physical Gold is the best of all. But I was wondering, in times when something happen, I can still convert my paper gold and withdraw cash. Ops, I maybe wrong, shouldn't be withdrawing cash already.

Wah..Still very confuse which to go for.
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Nice advise. So, in the end your mean is physical Gold is the best of all. But I was wondering, in times when something happen, I can still convert my paper gold and withdraw cash. Ops, I maybe wrong, shouldn't be withdrawing cash already.

Wah..Still very confuse which to go for.
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for me, yes, i hv come to that conclusion.
some sifus in here might not agree on that though. smile.gif

im a hands on person. i need to do stuff prior to write up a manual on how to do stuff. im not a creative person.
so i started small.

any loss made in the process, i take it as a learning curve and the fee to gain knowledge.
coming from a then buyer fr pohkong tomei etc. sweat.gif my dollar cost averaging sheet also doesnt look as good.
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QUOTE(carbon junkie @ Oct 12 2014, 06:47 PM)
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If u notice Dow jones, europe n many major equity market suffer a significant pullback the past week...whenever this happen in a major global equity market, the price of gold spike up...

It is commonly recognized the price of gold movement react inversely to the behavoiur of leading world equity market...its no use if u can detect a short term trend and speculate... U would liely lose ur shirt n money if the downward longterm trend is the bigger picture...
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QUOTE(call me random @ Oct 13 2014, 12:09 PM)
for me, yes, i hv come to that conclusion.
some sifus in here might not agree on that though. smile.gif

im a hands on person. i need to do stuff prior to write up a manual on how to do stuff. im not a creative person.
so i started small.

any loss made in the process, i take it as a learning curve and the fee to gain knowledge.
coming from a then buyer fr pohkong tomei etc.  sweat.gif  my dollar cost averaging sheet also doesnt look as good.
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Yah...All have own pro and cons. I also think of that too. That would be the benefit in the case when Malaysia facing some difficulties and many flee from the country.

Haiz. I think I better just start with Paper then physical. Spread it la better. Only buy physical when I think getting a safebox in bank is necessary. You know, just open a safebox in bank just for gold (100Gm?? 500Gm??) is a waste. That's what I think lor.
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If sell I will sell paper gold tongue.gif but see on the price first, if not that much of a difference since they day I bought then no point in selling, better keep & minimize lost biggrin.gif
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If sell I will sell paper gold tongue.gif but see on the price first, if not that much of a difference since they day I bought then no point in selling, better keep & minimize lost biggrin.gif
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anyone see www.mysmartgold.com.my da tgk lum website nih...harga dorg agk rendah dan spread cuma 1% utk buyback...ada sesapa pernah beli kat sini?
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anyone see www.mysmartgold.com.my da tgk lum website nih...harga dorg agk rendah dan spread cuma 1% utk buyback...ada sesapa pernah beli kat sini?
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hard to actually see anything..
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heard that bars and coin bullion is no gst
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Has anyone heard of the Swiss gold referendum this coming 30th November?If majority say yes, then Swiss National Bank would be acquiring gold up to 20% as their reserves in the next 5 years. We could expect rising gold prices
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so anyone can confirm if Gold kena GST?
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Any Gold bar & wafer exempted from gst and must have at least 99.5% purity and investment features.

The list of GOld Coin as below also exempted and must have at least 99.5% purity:

01. American Buffalo
02. Australia Kangaroo Nugget
03. Australia Lunar
04. Austria Philharmoniker
05. Canada Maple Leaf
06. China Panda
07. Malaysia Kijang Emas
08. Mexico Libertad
09. Singapore Lion
10. United Kingdom Britannia


Any gold that have features which accepted as international standard [exempted]

Any gold traded base on international bullion market. [exempted]



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Any Gold bar & wafer exempted from gst and must have at least 99.5% purity and investment features.

The list of GOld Coin as below also exempted and must have at least 99.5% purity:

01. American Buffalo
02. Australia Kangaroo Nugget
03. Australia Lunar
04. Austria Philharmoniker
05. Canada Maple Leaf
06. China Panda
07. Malaysia Kijang Emas
08. Mexico Libertad
09. Singapore Lion
10. United Kingdom Britannia
Any gold that have features which accepted as international standard [exempted]

Any gold  traded base on international bullion market. [exempted]
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i need some captain here.. .999 coins other than listed kena or not? hmm.gif

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WHta i meant was that was this graph created by you based on your own judgements or was it taken from a website ?

Just realised the name of the website on the graph
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so jewelry product will be implement with GST am i right?....hmm i wonder how it can effect most of gold seller after this....

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QUOTE(carbon junkie @ Oct 19 2014, 04:28 PM)
My own calculations.
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thanks for that graph, so it looks like price will go up to USD1275 coming week, and then it will crash again.

I reckon in terms of UOB bank buying rate it will be RM131-132/gm then. So i am waiting to sell hopefully can get that price.
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IS THERE ANY DECENT APPS THAT COULD UPDATE GOLD PRICE?
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Hi fellow investor, i give u guys good links on an article where the writer have summarized almost all leading economic forecaster prediction for the coming year:
http://goldsilverworlds.com/investing/2013...metals-markets/

Invest with cautious ur hard earned money...
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Gold price coming up get ready to sell and take profit. My target- start selling from RM131/gm onwards.
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Gold price coming up get ready to sell and take profit. My target- start selling from RM131/gm onwards.
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rm131 gm I still money lol.. I buy when it is high time. doh.gif

Become buy high sell low haha
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Hi fellow investor, i give u guys good links on an article where the writer have summarized almost all leading economic forecaster prediction for the coming year:
http://goldsilverworlds.com/investing/2013...metals-markets/

Invest with cautious ur hard earned money...
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Link not found laugh.gif
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rm131 gm I still money lol.. I buy when it is high time. doh.gif

Become buy high sell low haha
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It is ok if you can buy back even lower.
well that graph predicted it will go down after that.

what price did you buy? luckily i bought at RM130.20, 128.90, 128.10, so just waiting to take profit.


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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 21 2014, 01:32 PM)
It is ok if you can buy back even lower.
well that graph  predicted it will go down after that.

what price did you buy? luckily i  bought at RM130.20, 128.90, 128.10, so just waiting to take profit.
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Take that graph with a grain of salt. Its just predictions, price might go the other way round for all we know.

Anyhow, will be selling off mine on the 27th biggrin.gif Price is increasing now is probably because there is demand in india for deepavali biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 21 2014, 01:32 PM)
It is ok if you can buy back even lower.
well that graph  predicted it will go down after that.

what price did you buy? luckily i  bought at RM130.20, 128.90, 128.10, so just waiting to take profit.
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Take that graph with a grain of salt. Its just predictions, price might go the other way round for all we know.

Anyhow, will be selling off mine on the 27th biggrin.gif Price is increasing now is probably because there is demand in india for deepavali biggrin.gif
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agree.. after that sure drop one tongue.gif
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now predicting going down and down..........no chance to take profit, may have to buy some more pulak.
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now predicting going down and down..........no chance to take profit, may have to buy some more pulak.
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Its gonna be a long way down with some occasional small spike....its not the time to buy the gold yet...anyway those whi have bought pls patiently wait until early 2016....
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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Oct 21 2014, 12:48 PM)
Link not found  laugh.gif
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http://goldsilverworlds.com/investing/2013...metals-markets/

i urged anyone planning to take a plunge on gold read this first....
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Noob question.....Do you guys know of any online platform/forum where ppl buy & sell physical gold bullion? I can find a lot of retailers selling but where do the general public conduct their trade?


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Gold prices dipped below $1,200 an ounce on Thursday and silver slid to a 4-1/2 year low after the Federal Reserve ended its bond-buying stimulus programme with unexpectedly upbeat comments about the economy.

"Overwhelming bearish pressures weigh on the metal, with both technical and fundamental indicators pointing lower," UBS said in a note. "(That could take) the price towards significant support at 1183.23, (the) October low, which also coincides with December 2013 low."
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1251 is a very strong resistant, its heading there.. high probability of a short bounce (profit taking, technical buys, sheeps..), its slips... it will wanna head to 1180.. goodbye goldie locks hehe


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wadafuq happened to gold price today ?!?!?!?!?!

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As predicted, price will drop after deepavali. Price will even drop further, I am guessing the lowest will be around dec tongue.gif
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 27 2014, 03:47 AM)
now predicting going down and down..........no chance to take profit, may have to buy some more pulak.
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where buy from bro ? many no stocks...pm ?
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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ Oct 27 2014, 08:25 AM)
Was planning to sell some this week but seems like price didnt hike up too much, will still be making a lost from the purchase price. Now just need to wait  laugh.gif
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ok yesterday was below 1200 so I jumped and bought. today and monday will be the best days..
but your just wait--its going back up to 1230 at least

I live in US and its all bluff. USA is good at it. whistling.gif
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Its gonna be a long long way of downhill from here....
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QUOTE(mike boultinghouse @ Nov 1 2014, 11:21 AM)
ok yesterday was below 1200 so I jumped and bought.  today and monday will be the best days..
but your just wait--its going back up to 1230 at least

I live in US and its all bluff. USA is good at it.    whistling.gif
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I doubt it, the 1180 support is broken. Now it will probably fall even more after annocuncemnt of the stimulus plan from Bank of Japan. Oh well, not going to touch gold anytime soon now... laugh.gif
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i am considering buying japanese stocks. but agree that gold is only a long term hedge, I agree that owning more than 10% of your portfolio in gold is probably not so wise.
But if a true crash or ultimate disaster happens the banks will be closed for some time. Physical gold will ALWAYS have worth when paper currency is used for fires and tissue. Look at Venezuela blink.gif

i would say japanese stock market will now go up with their QE like it did for USA a few years ago....but printing money will someday have consequences. that is just logical. You can't just keep QE forever

I am thinking the basics--Sony Toyota and Kubota, for now.

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this is really challenging.

i shouldnt be adding more gold and have more cash as for this year's projection in total.
but this happen.
should i make ammend to that since this could be just the only moment gold could be at this price point?

but gonna need to liquidate it earliest by next year.. at most is 2-3 yrs.. gold price might not get any higher within that time span?
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QUOTE(call me random @ Nov 1 2014, 02:11 PM)
this is really challenging.

i shouldnt be adding more gold and have more cash as for this year's projection in total.
but this happen.
should i make ammend to that since this could be just the only moment gold could be at this price point?

but gonna need to liquidate it earliest by next year.. at most is 2-3 yrs.. gold price might not get any higher within that time span?
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Only buy now if u plan to hold it minimum another 1.5 years+... No major news that could shake the gold price up substanially thus far...
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Only buy now if u plan to hold it minimum another 1.5 years+... No major news that could shake the gold price up substanially thus far...
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1.5 sounds doable hmm.gif
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Is this the time to keep an eye open for mining stocks that have plunged?
Yes, willing to wait it out 1.5-2 yrs. Maybe better than physical because easier to trade?
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I guess everyone here is making 20k minimum per month?any tips on how to invest gold?i heard about pagasus bullion.is it a good way to start?
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uob price was RM125.20/gm, already few Rm below my ealier purchases....think i got to buy some for DCA if it comes to RM124.


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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Nov 2 2014, 06:19 AM)
Is this the time to keep an eye open for mining stocks that have plunged?
Yes, willing to wait it out 1.5-2 yrs. Maybe better than physical because easier to trade?
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The price movement is more aggresive then the gold price itself....not noob investor friendly...if gold price drop 10%...they drop like 20+%... Do u hav the tough mentality to hold in such situation?
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 2 2014, 01:05 PM)
uob price was  RM125.20/gm, already few Rm below my ealier purchases....think i got to buy some for DCA if it comes to RM124.
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Standard practice to DCA is to wait it exceed more than 5% gain or loss for u to top up...
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i see in that case RM123.70 or lower.........thanks.
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QUOTE(Darkcity212 @ Nov 2 2014, 06:29 AM)
I guess everyone here is making 20k minimum per month?any tips on how to invest gold?i heard about pagasus bullion.is it a good way to start?
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Such assumtion is bollocks and demotivate yourself... Anyone with any income range cn strive to save at least 10-20% of their nett monthly income anf invest...
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Lets buy some gold tomorrow. Time to stack up more.
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been interested with gold investment but I have few question.

where to buy and where to sell?
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anyone want to buy Kijang Emas 1/4oz?
I am selling 1 pc of mine for Maybank we sell + RM20 only.

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 3 2014, 12:54 AM)
1k would be a steal, at USD1100 you can start  buying already.
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My advice is to hold, wait and see until we get to early next year smile.gif... World equities just suffered a minor correction n the sentiment beginning to get positive back and many counter have cheap n value for money valuation...

Astonishigly gold price does not shoot high enough this year even with a new threat of cold war between russia n US...and many geopolitical uncertainty events of this year...

I suspect only a global debt crisis by the global banks or superpower country government sovereign debt default could only send the price skyrocketing....

So far the cracks are there but not so soon...so my advice is wait until next year....

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I would wait also....1st quarter n ext year will give me a clearer picture. Too early to tell even though sentiments are bearish
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QUOTE(call me random @ Oct 13 2014, 10:21 AM)
1. Physical Gold, need to get place to store. Storage in Bank need to pay yearly services also. Put at home = Risk. <--- similarly my concern. but i dont have that much to store at banks also.. need to gamble on this sweat.gif
2. Paper Gold, Buy/Sell spread is high. <---- its not PIDM protected, should u want to liquidate, might have to sell at loss within this 2 yrs. the world has more and more suprises for us. na ah for me. my only saving in banks is in form of investment. need to diversify.
3. CIMB/Maybank paper Gold, Convienience and can do online but wide spread of Buy/Sell. <--- refer above.
4. UOB, Have to go Bank to do it. And on top of that, must have saving account before getting the gold account. It's a hassle for people nowadays to queue at the bank.

plus for the papergolds, u might want to check hows the procedure to get the pysical form of ur gold. CIMB for example can only allow minimum 100g with a certain fee. some only allowed to be collected at main branch in KL. if thats not an issue for u, then go for it.
but always remember the old wisdom, its not urs until u can hold it.

for me, its always crucial to determine the enter and exit strategy. not just applicable for share market, i dont do stocks. but just anything.
i get the tips from a very old timer Comando. before u get in, must plan the easiest way out.
if i want to buy gold using my spare cash, i must hv a way to get the cash back.

and i go anywhere, i reverse parking the car  thumbup.gif
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if want to buy gold where to buy? from the bank will give you physical gold bar?
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Bank - Al-Rahji, Maybank & UOB Gold Coins only
Non Banks - MyBullion, Alliance, Public Gold, BuySilver
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Bank - Al-Rahji, Maybank & UOB Gold Coins only
Non Banks - MyBullion, Alliance, Public Gold, BuySilver
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that can keep on your own or just buy gold and just save at their bank?
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that can keep on your own or just buy gold and just save at their bank?
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Gold has remained close to the four-year low hit during the previous session, as analysts reduce their expectations for the price of the precious metal.
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with one the many futures brokers registered with Bursa Malaysia. The futures contract is
for 100gms, traded in RM, margin is RM800, is cash settled (no need for physical delivery).

The volume is quite low compared to the other futures contracts, namely, FKLI (Index) and
FCPO (Palm Oil). Hopefully the volume will increase over the years for improved liquidity.

Just google Bursa Malaysia Derivatives for full details.



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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 2 2014, 12:05 PM)
uob price was  RM125.20/gm, already few Rm below my ealier purchases....think i got to buy some for DCA if it comes to RM124.
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Me waiting for the same thing but look like not going there yet.
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QUOTE(basSist @ Nov 2 2014, 10:38 PM)
not yet bro, target price around should be around 900-1000  biggrin.gif
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Doing 1161/Troy Oz now. No one knows where it will go but what you can do is to follow the trend. If it keeps going your way keep it, if not going your way you can get out or hedge it. as simple as that but not easy to do not because of the market but because of your own emotions smile.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Nov 5 2014, 12:49 PM)
Some analyst says $700. Which one to believe?  sweat.gif
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Most bold prediction is martin armstrong...saying at the end of next year it could touch 670usd per ounce... But realstically he said a range of 700-800 is already a very good deal....
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1150 now rclxms.gif

QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 5 2014, 01:14 PM)
Most bold prediction is martin armstrong...saying at the end of next year it could touch 670usd per ounce... But realstically he said a range of 700-800 is already a very good deal....
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@ 1000 there will be a very strong support
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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Oct 31 2014, 04:27 PM)
long shot 1063
becareful of 1133... may go up or down further at that price

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QUOTE(epie @ Nov 5 2014, 02:47 PM)
1150 now  rclxms.gif
@ 1000 there will be a very strong support
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i saw maybank just now

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Crude Oil & USD going down along with Gold which is doing 1148 now based on live data
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 5 2014, 01:14 PM)
Most bold prediction is martin armstrong...saying at the end of next year it could touch 670usd per ounce... But realstically he said a range of 700-800 is already a very good deal....
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If $670 / oz I'll be happy rclxms.gif

Targeting $1050 for now brows.gif
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 5 2014, 06:49 PM)
If $670 / oz I'll be happy  rclxms.gif

Targeting $1050 for now  brows.gif
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Gold doing 1141 right now, looks like no letting up, the same for Crude Oil and USD and all these are dragging down CPO price as well

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this game is even more risky than equities bro....u can take it or not??  hmm.gif
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Of course more risk involved, will adjust limit along the way to limit risk
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 5 2014, 11:44 PM)
I'm selling short GLD ETF

Of course more risk involved, will adjust limit along the way to limit risk
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hahah gold going down means the big money herd flows back to equities...im also pumping back my capital to some balanced unit trust fund...lucky cashout before those bloody october global correction....

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 5 2014, 10:49 PM)
hahah gold going down means the big money herd flows back to equities...im also pumping back my capital to some balanced unit trust fund...lucky cashout before those bloody october global correction....
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I topped up during October correction, didn't sell anything biggrin.gif

Gold short only up about 2.3% so far, lets see where it goes smile.gif
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Paper money is just a central bank "I Owe You" note... some country with lotsa IOU note will want to convert it to gold(real value) when the price is "ripe". That will push the price up.. but I doubt it will be significant upwards move. They dont want to make the price shot up so sudden before they can clear the "paper"..
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“Gold is overvalued to silver,” Yoni Jacobs, the chief investment strategist at Chart Prophet Capital, said yesterday in a telephone interview. “It looks like gold could fall more. People are realizing it is not a good investment when the equity markets go up and as the dollar is getting stronger.”

Silver has outpaced gold’s declines since the end of 2012, falling 49 percent through yesterday, while gold dropped 32 percent.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-06/g...ore-losses.html

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Gold now doing 1143, recovered a few points from low of 1137 yesterday. Same for Crude Oil and USD, both also recover a few point from yesterday's low.
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Several lawmakers have urged Bank Negara to probe operations of a local gold investment company in Sarawak and Peninsula Malaysia that has been blacklisted.

Julian Tan (DAP-Stampin) said that he had received complains from several individuals who had invested with the company (Global Peace Loving Family).

"Several investors, mainly senior citizens, have invested thousands of ringgit with the company.

"There are now worried of losing their life's savings,” he told reporters at Parliament lobby during a press conference Thursday.

The company, he said, is operating nine offices in Sarawak with five in Peninsula Malaysia assured investors RM56,000 in returns after two years via payment of a RM3,000 membership fee and investments.

Alice Lau Kiong Yieng (DAP-Lanang) said she was approached by the company with promises of financial help for her long-house community projects if she endorsed it.

However, she said she refused to do so after querying further as to its financial ability to assist in the project.

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He said the company would seek patronage of local VIPs and politicians for their events in a move to attract more investors.

"We don't want a repeat of the YSLM case where the founder was allowed to leave the country only to be arrested in Thailand recently after operating for two years," he said.

He urged those who have invested to come forward to lodge a report with the authorities if they have been duped.
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For Uob bank gold investment a/c, the requirements include a savings a/c, is Basic Savings a/c meets the requirements to invest?
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QUOTE(pedestrian @ Nov 6 2014, 08:53 PM)
For Uob bank gold investment a/c, the requirements include a savings a/c, is Basic Savings a/c meets the requirements to invest?
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Yes, when I register my UOB Gold account, they setup the basic saving account for me which is a must. smile.gif
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Yes, when I register my UOB Gold account, they setup the basic saving account for me which is a must.  smile.gif
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Thanks, is the a/c come with atm card ?how much r they charging? Any online banking facility with the basic savings a/c?
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Gold doing 1147 now, attempting to recover lost ground but is faced with heavy lifting, same for Crude Oil & USD
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Thanks, is the a/c come with atm card ?how much r they charging? Any online banking facility with the basic savings a/c?
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Is the a/c come with atm card ?
Yes.

how much r they charging?
Forgot already but it is quite standard for all banks. All ATM Debit Card will have an annual fee. Very cheap only. The most I think RM20.

Any online banking facility with the basic savings a/c?
Yes, it is available.
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thats it. not gonna buy anymore.
at least until the end of the month laugh.gif

so tempting ley the price sweat.gif
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Given gold price is unlikely to recover to previous high in the next few years ; those bought gold previously, unless accept losses else will throw good money after bad.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 7 2014, 12:16 PM)
Given gold price is unlikely to recover to previous high in the next few years ; those bought gold previously, unless accept losses else will throw good money after bad.
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then what profitable investment shall thy invest thee? hmm.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 7 2014, 11:16 AM)
Given gold price is unlikely to recover to previous high in the next few years ; those bought gold previously, unless accept losses else will throw good money after bad.
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still a lot better than holding ringgit imho smile.gif

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then what profitable investment shall thy invest thee?  hmm.gif  notworthy.gif
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how many time want to say already gold is not an investment biggrin.gif
want to invest go invest lar, ppl say USD stocks rlly on hi ride or something, with the right entry n exit strategy, could get some profit.
but i personally doubted it because stock market can be manipulated icon_rolleyes.gif
but then again, i could be wrong. smile.gif

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Gold doing 1140 now, market seems to be taking a pause, undecided where to go
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Those who bought paper Gold many years ago.. mah have a lot of floating loss now?
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QUOTE(lyralp @ Nov 7 2014, 12:34 PM)
Gold doing 1140 now, market seems to be taking a pause, undecided where to go
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It has gone down and would continue dropping more. Many are predicting it to be around the 850 to 1000 range.
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The gold price drop to another new low today. My gold investment already stuck few months at RM131 buying price. shakehead.gif
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will it go lower? if not, what is the protection barrier that indicate it will go down/up further ?
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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 5 2014, 11:22 PM)
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I topped up during October correction, didn't sell anything  biggrin.gif

Gold short only up about 2.3% so far, lets see where it goes smile.gif
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Want to get more, buy PUT or GLL ETF.
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Is the a/c come with atm card ?
Yes.

how much r they charging?
Forgot already but it is quite standard for all banks. All ATM Debit Card will have an annual fee. Very cheap only. The most I think RM20.

Any online banking facility with the basic savings a/c?
Yes, it is available.
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Unfortunately that is the extend of it. Can't buy gold using their online banking doh.gif
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Want to get more, buy PUT or GLL ETF.
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I'm OK for now to just hold onto my GLD short biggrin.gif
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I'm OK for now to just hold onto my GLD short  biggrin.gif
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Anyone withdraw physical gold from PBB gold account before?

I would like to find out the 50 gram gold bar is what type? Any picture? Swisse pamp?

What are the procedure to withdraw the physical gold and how long it takes?
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Nov 7 2014, 03:22 PM)
Unfortunately that is the extend of it. Can't buy gold using their online banking  doh.gif
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Yes. Had to do it physically. Gold price keep on dropping this few months. shakehead.gif
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then what profitable investment shall thy invest thee?  hmm.gif  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(call me random @ Nov 7 2014, 11:34 AM)
still a lot better than holding ringgit imho smile.gif
Provided ringgit is depreciating faster and more than than gold price.

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wah suddenly this thread become so active biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 7 2014, 04:56 PM)
Gold is not the only investment option available. What to invest is depending on your risk appetite.
Provided ringgit is depreciating faster and more than than gold price.
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i thought sfu had some kind of forecasting ability, it seems sifu also loost with the herd... hmm.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 7 2014, 04:38 PM)
i thought sfu had some kind of forecasting ability, it seems sifu also loost with the herd...  hmm.gif  laugh.gif
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It is a waste of time to share any idea here. I post here just because i don't like to see people losing their money.

Not the i have forecasting ability, it is just plain economic. For gold price, you can track back my comment when gold was on bull run. Comments from gold herd at that time were similar to current property herd. At the end, long term equilibrium always prevail.


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the down turn cycle is coming, if you still keeping much "property debt", much "paper" money.. my condolences
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Crude Oil, RM and Gold has taken a beating. Crude is getting into breakout formation... up or down we dont know BUT to go up would require some very heavy lifting. Gold actually hit a low of 1131 and some fella is working very hard to keep it from falling. the smart thing to do is to follow trend, when against get out or hedge it in some form

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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Nov 7 2014, 05:21 PM)
the down turn cycle is coming, if you still keeping much "property debt", much "paper" money.. my condolences
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Down turn cycle in? sector, industry, commodity, country?

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or maybe the money has shifted to equities, the clue is that all index are doing well except ours which was up when everybody was down... we are special, Malaysia Boleh
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 7 2014, 06:05 PM)
It is a waste of time to share any idea here. I post here just because i don't  like to see people losing their money.

Not the i have forecasting ability, it is just plain economic. For gold price, you can track back my comment when gold was on bull run. Comments from gold herd at that time were similar to current property herd. At the end, long term equilibrium always prevail.
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Down turn cycle in? sector, industry, commodity, country?
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economic aka All
BNM is already executing preemptive measures since few years ago.. thats why we dont feel(much) the pinch on the last cycle..

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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Nov 7 2014, 07:15 PM)
economic aka All
BNM is already executing preemptive measures since few years ago.. thats why we dont feel(much) the pinch on the last cycle..
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work in a bank the past 6 years and yeah i noticed it too....however some tips for u....BNM can control and regulate credit lending for normal rakyat....but who does the papa mama job and regulate government spending? brows.gif brows.gif

Sovereign debt big bang coming to a cinema near you.... laugh.gif
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max cavalera, u mean usd going to fall soon ? dj...
and bear bear coming soon?
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Gold doing 1153, doing a rebound along with Crude Oil, USD getting stronger (1 USD = 3.345 RM)
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Rm125 now. suddenly jump up..what's goin on ?
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a correction...resistance will hold it max around 1200 next week
still bearish
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yeap resistant somewhere 1200 +-, good time to ETA (short one that is)

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Gold snapped a seven-day losing streak on Friday after data showed the U.S. economy created fewer jobs than expected in November. But the precious metals still closed out the week 1.5% lower.

“The ‘don’t catch a falling knife’ mentality is keeping physical guys on the sidelines,” he said. “Some interest is emerging, with gold forwards starting to tighten; however, the bulk of participants remain wary.” - Walter de Wet, head of commodities at Standard Bank
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QUOTE(yan7 @ Nov 7 2014, 08:54 PM)
max cavalera, u mean usd going to fall soon ? dj...
and bear bear coming soon?
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Quick question here, will my account always left with 1gram no matter how much losses I make? For MGIA in this case. And what if our account is inactive for years? Will Maybank cancel our account?
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parking my money somewhere else. not gonna get any this month.
so please, dear spot price, stay where u are laugh.gif
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work in a bank the past 6 years and yeah i noticed it too....however some tips for u....BNM can control and regulate credit lending for normal rakyat....but who does the papa mama job and regulate government spending?  brows.gif  brows.gif

Sovereign debt big bang coming to a cinema near you.... laugh.gif
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max cavalera, u mean usd going to fall soon ? dj...
and bear bear coming soon?
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Support letter contradicts gov't on 1MDB debt
11:47AM Nov 8, 2014

A support letter by the Malaysian government revealed today contradicted the Finance Ministry's claim that Putrajaya is only guaranteeing RM5.8 billion of 1Malaysia Development Berhad's (1MDB) total RM38 billion debt.

The letter, published in The Edge Malaysia, showed the government had guaranteed to step in if 1MDB cannot cover a USD3 billion debt by its wholly-owned subsidiary 1MDB Global Investment Limited (Issuer).

"In the event 1MDB, as shareholder of the Issuer, fails to provide the required funds... Malaysia shall then step in to inject the necessary capital into the Issuer, or make payments to ensure the Issuer's obligation in respect of the debt are fully met," read the letter.

When the support letter was issued on March 14 last year, the USD3 billion debt had a converted value of RM9.6 billion. That amount stands at RM10 billion today.

Both amounts – when the support letter was issued, and its value today – far exceeded the RM5.8 billion claimed by the government, which was reiterated by Deputy Finance Minister Ahmad Maslan (right) on Thursday.

http://s.m5.malaysiakini.com/news/279880.html

There is no telling how much explicit and implied guarantee have been issued. May not have effect on usd gold price but myr.

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where do u guys see/know the resistance price ? is there a website to check?
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any expected that gold price will rise again?
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where do u guys see/know the resistance price ? is there a website to check?
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Goto Investing.com, scroll down to "Technical Studies"
On "Popular" Tab select "Gold" Counter
select the timeframe (5Min, 15Min or Hourly)
Read S3,S2,S1, Pivot, R1, R2, R3 for resistance & support
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QUOTE(lyralp @ Nov 10 2014, 12:48 AM)
Goto Investing.com, scroll down to "Technical Studies"
On "Popular" Tab select "Gold" Counter
select the timeframe (5Min, 15Min or Hourly)
Read S3,S2,S1, Pivot, R1, R2, R3 for resistance & support
S = Support, R = Resistance

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great info..nice.. smile.gif
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I'm thinking to put my some of money in gold. Wise decision with current situation ?
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'Advice' says dont buy, your hand itchy wanna buy, just buy it la! like i did.
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Hahaha yes hand itchy. Ok telling myself not to buy first not to buy first not to buy first... sweat.gif
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I guess its a good time to buy if its going to be physical gold but just don't buy too much la, get a small quantity first and when the price drops to 800-900 (if it happens) then start stacking up more.
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I guess its a good time to buy if its going to be physical gold but just don't buy too much la, get a small quantity first and when the price drops to 800-900 (if it happens) then start stacking up more.
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Ok seriously what I am thinking in my mind, I have excess a little bit of cash right now, am planning each buying will be less than 10 gram physical gold, depends to the spot. At the same time worrying the news that by next year end, price might drop to $800 per ounce, dilemma. sad.gif
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if now the gold price has fall, is it better i buy gold then putting my money in fd?
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Ok seriously what I am thinking in my mind, I have excess a little bit of cash right now, am planning each buying will be less than 10 gram physical gold, depends to the spot. At the same time worrying the news that by next year end, price might drop to $800 per ounce, dilemma. sad.gif
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Where are you going to buy it from ?
And do remember, the bigger the quantity of the bar that you buy, the cheaper the premium would be. This results in you being able to earn up profits easily. Try aiming for a minimum of 20grams or a common 1oz bars.


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if now the gold price has fall, is it better i buy gold then putting my money in fd?
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I guess sticking to FD is better as your capital is guaranteed plus Interest rates are expected to go up in the next coming months.
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High risk high return lol.
I guess sticking to FD is better as your capital is guaranteed plus Interest rates are expected to go up in the next coming months.
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not so long time ago...people say gold has minimal risk
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Don't think that it could be a winning strategy. Think of the downside, what happens if gold looses its value in the future ?
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High risk high return lol.
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Where are you going to buy it from ?
And do remember, the bigger the quantity of the bar that you buy, the cheaper the premium would be. This results in you being able to earn up profits easily. Try aiming for a minimum of 20grams or a common 1oz bars.
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From bullion seller, less premium than retail gold shop. Buy 20 gram every 2 months still ok to me. 1 oz bar too much d, I am still new to gold. sweat.gif

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can make the comparison? my another concern is at least when our ranggit value fall rapidly, the gold still have the value.

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I second you, that's the reason I am thinking rather put part of my money in precious metal. I am actually buying silver every week. nod.gif
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Gold has fallen/falling, Ringgit has fallen/falling & Crude Oil has fallen/falling for the past three to four months or simply put it is all in downtrend. No one knows when this trend will change. Most index have gone up quite a bit meaning that equities are doing well. The question is are you on the right side i.e. in the money, IF not then you must be short of knowledge, tools, skills and experience and you need to work on it smile.gif
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QUOTE(lyralp @ Nov 11 2014, 05:14 PM)
Gold has fallen/falling, Ringgit has fallen/falling & Crude Oil has fallen/falling for the past three to four months or simply put it is all in downtrend. No one knows when this trend will change. Most index have gone up quite a bit meaning that equities are doing well. The question is are you on the right side i.e. in the money, IF not then you must be short of knowledge, tools, skills and experience and you need to work on it smile.gif
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Thanks mate. Very good advise. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

I did put in part of money in unit trust, it works well at the moment. But I really need to brush up the knowledge and experience that I lack of. nod.gif
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QUOTE(lyralp @ Nov 11 2014, 05:14 PM)
Gold has fallen/falling, Ringgit has fallen/falling & Crude Oil has fallen/falling for the past three to four months or simply put it is all in downtrend. No one knows when this trend will change. Most index have gone up quite a bit meaning that equities are doing well. The question is are you on the right side i.e. in the money, IF not then you must be short of knowledge, tools, skills and experience and you need to work on it smile.gif
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what should i look into it?
i really short off all this as you mention since i just start to exposed this.
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I second you, that's the reason I am thinking rather put part of my money in precious metal. I am actually buying silver every week. nod.gif
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so as my earlier question if i invest on gold would it be better than fd? cause in fd if i put rm10k, one year later get rm400.
what happen if i invest in gold will it be better risk?

by the way, buy silver can go anywhere?

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so as my earlier question if i invest on gold would it be better than fd? cause in fd if i put rm10k, one year later get rm400.
what happen if i invest in gold will it be better risk?

by the way, buy silver can go anywhere?
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Sorry can't answer you hahah, because I don't really like FD or saving plans for just a simple reason, my cash flow got stuck. I believe many more investment product gives me better return and better liquidity. Invest in gold there is a risk, your holding power must be strong, probably a few years to get a good return, imo. Well I am still new to talk all these.

I bought silver mostly from overseas, and in M'sia, you can search buysilvermalaysia.com or nubex.my for quick and easy access, they sell gold too. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Archer17 @ Nov 11 2014, 07:12 PM)
what should i look into it?
i really short off all this as you mention since i just start to exposed this.
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We know that it is possible to make millions in almost everything if not everything. People have made millions doing property, stocks/shares, futures, education, medicine, etc. etc. This clearly shows that it is NOT where got millions it is WHO can make the millions. If we take a close look at all those who have made their millions it is clear that they all have something in common e.g. they are very focused on what they do, they have great patience, they work hard, they work smart, they have faith and belief in what they do etc. etc. This simply means that the first thing to do is to choose what you can do well or more importantly like to do and just work on it. These people do NOT chase after the million, they chase after knowledge, tools, skills and experience and the millions come chasing after them and not the other way around. If want to trade/invest in gold then we must know as much as possible about gold and there is so much to know. First there is physical gold, then there is paper gold (ETF, Futures, Options, etc)... first get knowledge and go from there, it will take time BUT if you are determined and focused... you will arrive, just my 2 sen smile.gif
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QUOTE(Archer17 @ Nov 11 2014, 07:18 PM)
so as my earlier question if i invest on gold would it be better than fd? cause in fd if i put rm10k, one year later get rm400.
what happen if i invest in gold will it be better risk?

by the way, buy silver can go anywhere?
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FD is for people who do not want to take ANY risk or think there is NO risk wink.gif. With FD your money is being worked by other people more for other people BUT if you do not know what/how to invest then it is THE BETTER way. To get a better return for your money i.e. let your money make money for you it is necessary to take calculated risks and make some effort to learn and understand what is possible and what is not possible. It is all about balancing FEAR & GREED and taking the center path smile.gif

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QUOTE(lyralp @ Nov 12 2014, 02:25 AM)
FD is for people who do not want to take ANY risk or think there is NO risk wink.gif. With FD your money is being worked by other people more for other people BUT if you do not know what/how to invest then it is THE BETTER way. To get a better return for your money i.e. let your money make money for you it is necessary to take calculated risks and make some effort to learn and understand what is possible and what is not possible. It is all about balancing FEAR & GREED and taking the center path smile.gif
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QUOTE(Archer17 @ Nov 11 2014, 07:18 PM)
so as my earlier question if i invest on gold would it be better than fd? cause in fd if i put rm10k, one year later get rm400.
what happen if i invest in gold will it be better risk?

by the way, buy silver can go anywhere?
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Iyraip has answered your question clearly. Just to add, your principal in FDs would be guaranteed as its induced by PIDM unless you decide to place it with Bank Rakyat. However, you should have a strong holding power if you're going to venture into Gold

QUOTE(lyralp @ Nov 12 2014, 01:12 AM)
We know that it is possible to make millions in almost everything if not everything. People have made millions doing property, stocks/shares, futures, education, medicine, etc. etc. This clearly shows that it is NOT where got millions it is WHO can make the millions. If we take a close look at all those who have made their millions it is clear that they all have something in common e.g. they are very focused on what they do, they have great patience, they work hard, they work smart, they have faith and belief in what they do etc. etc. This simply means that the first thing to do is to choose what you can do well or more importantly like to do and just work on it. These people do NOT chase after the million, they chase after knowledge, tools, skills and experience and the millions come chasing after them and not the other way around. If want to trade/invest in gold then we must know as much as possible about gold and there is so much to know. First there is physical gold, then there is paper gold (ETF, Futures, Options, etc)... first get knowledge and go from there, it will take time BUT if you are determined and focused... you will arrive, just my 2 sen smile.gif
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QUOTE(lyralp @ Nov 12 2014, 01:25 AM)
FD is for people who do not want to take ANY risk or think there is NO risk wink.gif. With FD your money is being worked by other people more for other people BUT if you do not know what/how to invest then it is THE BETTER way. To get a better return for your money i.e. let your money make money for you it is necessary to take calculated risks and make some effort to learn and understand what is possible and what is not possible. It is all about balancing FEAR & GREED and taking the center path smile.gif
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Well said!
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Gold is forming a breakout pattern, up or down no one knows BUT it appears to be leaning more towards DOWN. Crude Oil and Ringgit have hit a support and a bouncing there BUT both also leaning more to DOWN. If you are SHORT (Sell Position) in any of these three assets, good for you. If want to take the LONG (Buy Position) then you either have a deep pocket, you are absolutely sure that these markets are going to rebound (you are a master trader/investor), you have already made your pile when it went down a few month ago and can afford to lose a % of what your already made... or you are very confused wink.gif
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Status quo on Gold, Crude Oil & Ringgit. It appears that market players are waiting for something to happen smile.gif
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Probably, yes... but for me it is just an assumption, a guess

With technical analysis it is not too difficult to "see" that the market is waiting for something to happen This is like having the right eye wide open and be able see WHEN something is happening. To know WHY something is happening or why something is NOT happening then it becomes necessary to acquire the knowledge, tools, skills and experience in fundamental analysis. That is like opening and seeing with the left eye and so now got two eyes watching... sure better lah, my fren.

Hmmm, need to work on it to develop the second eye and not to forget that there is also the "third eye" which cannot be learned, it is acquired through years of experience by watching & trading the market. BUT then as always there are exceptions and there are miracles. This, just in case there is someone here who knows of someone who just left school or is "handicapped" etc. etc. and is making tons of money trading the markets. wink.gif

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Crude Oil is now doing $76/barrel, broke the $80 mark, is a four year low i.e. October 2010 price and as always they got something to say after it has happened. For now they are saying it is because of a "glut". Gold & RM seems to be holding for now but for how long is a ? smile.gif

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Crude Oil doing $74/barrel, Gold forming perfect breakout pattern (appears more to downside), Ringgit - ding dong ding dong above a support line wink.gif
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Crude Oil remains weak BUT Gold is getting stronger (doing 1173) against Ringgit which is getting weaker (i.e. USD getting stronger and doing RM3.348/USD) smile.gif
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yeap resistant somewhere 1200 +-, good time to ETA (short one that is)
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"price target of $950 on the precious metal for the end of next year" drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

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"price target of $950 on the precious metal for the end of next year"  drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

http://www.businessinsider.my/credit-suiss...recast-2014-11/
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I am not very sure, perhaps temporary only?

I saw the PAMP Goat bar very nice. Hoping gold price go lower, then I can pull my trigger. =)
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I am not very sure, perhaps temporary only?

I saw the PAMP Goat bar very nice. Hoping gold price go lower, then I can pull my trigger. =)
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Wondering, after buy the gold bar and the gold price increase and wanted to sell. How and where to do that? Any fee involve?
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Wondering, after buy the gold bar and the gold price increase and wanted to sell. How and where to do that? Any fee involve?
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Well see.....dow joes also crawling sidewayat resistance lvl...whether the dow shoot upwards or downwards...then gold will react inversely to dow movement.....
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What is the minimum amount of precious metals I can bring accross malaysia from Singapore.
Can someone give me an answer?
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Nov 20 2014, 05:09 PM)
What is the minimum amount of precious metals I can bring accross malaysia from Singapore.
Can someone give me an answer?
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U been saying of this since early of the year....

Gold price is set internationally and if u buy any gold bullion from banks or licensed company the spread is quite competitve...so i dont understand why the insist of buying gold in singapore n brining it back here?

They have gold mine i si gapore n selling it at huge discount there ah?
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What is the minimum amount of precious metals I can bring accross malaysia from Singapore.
Can someone give me an answer?
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Zero, I dont think the Malaysian or Singapore authorities will stop you because you do not
have any precious metal on you... BUT again who knows.. maybe I am wrong wink.gif

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U been saying of this since early of the year....

Gold price is set internationally and if u buy any gold bullion from banks or licensed company the spread is quite competitve...so i dont understand why the insist of buying gold in singapore n brining it back here?

They have gold mine i  si gapore n selling it at huge discount there ah?
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Nov 20 2014, 06:27 PM)
U been saying of this since early of the year....

Gold price is set internationally and if u buy any gold bullion from banks or licensed company the spread is quite competitve...so i dont understand why the insist of buying gold in singapore n brining it back here?

They have gold mine i  si gapore n selling it at huge discount there ah?
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Are you even sure about this.
Because it seems that you never do your damn research.

Precious Metals is definitely cheaper in singapore.

Have you even taken the time to do an actual compare? No.
All you have is assumptions.

Obviously you never research about this.
Nope they dun have. But then government regulation over there supports bullion dealership.
There is no similar gov support over here.

Confirm, ppl like you cannot be taken seriously.

And we expect to take you seriously.

Do you even google?

I never ever said that you should buy in singapore and carry over here before.

You said gold is priced the same internationally.
Do you know that in Britain, you have to pay 20% tax when u buy gold?

Think before you talk lah.

https://www.buysilvermalaysia.com/shop/prod...-Mint-RCM-100-/]https://www.buysilvermalaysia.com/shop/prod...-Mint-RCM-100
https://www.bullionstar.com/buy/silver-bars


I hope you know how to use a calculator to do the conversion.

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ok I meant maximum.
But then the question should be pretty obvious.

Anyway, the answer is less then USD10k
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Nov 24 2014, 03:41 AM)
Are you even sure about this.
Because it seems that you never do your damn research.

Precious Metals is definitely cheaper in singapore.

Have you even taken the time to do an actual compare? No.
All you have is assumptions.

Obviously you never research about this.
Nope they dun have. But then government regulation over there supports bullion dealership.
There is no similar gov support over here.

Confirm, ppl like you cannot be taken seriously.

And we expect to take you seriously.

Do you even google?

I never ever said that you should buy in singapore and carry over here before.

You said gold is priced the same internationally.
Do you know that in Britain, you have to pay 20% tax when u buy gold?

Think before you talk lah.

https://www.buysilvermalaysia.com/shop/prod...-Mint-RCM-100-/]https://www.buysilvermalaysia.com/shop/prod...-Mint-RCM-100
https://www.bullionstar.com/buy/silver-bars
I hope you know how to use a calculator to do the conversion.
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Thrs no gold tax as well if u buy any weight in malaysia. They take a small amount of commission in spread of buy amd sell. No tax on trading it so far so what do u mean by malaysian governemtn dont support it?

And if u buy in sgd in sg im pretty sur gold price set internationally in USD and exchange rate would follow back the green back as the benchmark for conversion...

You would likely even lose more money if u buy there in sgd..when u exchange rm in sgd u already lose a few percentage as the forex counter ppl charge u the commission through their spread.

Carrying stuff from sg to malaysia also cost much more in transport fees. It is also highly risky as u migh get robbed or the customs department seize ur asset. They can charge u with any form of suspicious activity including money laundering an confiscate ur asset at will...

Unless u r saying the governmen of sg subsidize ppl buying gold but then that a big joke....

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Thrs no gold tax as well if u buy any weight in malaysia. They take a small amount of commission in spread of buy amd sell. No tax on trading it so far so what do u mean by malaysian governemtn dont support it?

And if u buy in sgd in sg im pretty sur gold price set internationally in USD and exchange rate would follow back the green back as the benchmark for conversion...

You would likely even lose more money if u buy there in sgd..when u exchange rm in sgd u already lose a few percentage as the forex counter ppl charge u the commission through their spread.

Carrying stuff from sg to malaysia also cost much more in transport fees. It is also highly risky as u migh get robbed or the customs department seize ur asset. They can charge u with any form of suspicious activity including money laundering an confiscate ur asset at will...

Unless u r saying the governmen of sg subsidize ppl buying gold but then that a big joke....
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I have already given you the comparison between the 2 prices.

Did you even compare the 2 prices?

That is why I am asking the question as to how much I can bring in from Singapore.

Guess not.

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ok I meant maximum.
But then the question should be pretty obvious.

Anyway, the answer is less then USD10k
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hi all sifu,

me new to gold here. Some questions need advise.


1. What are the things to pay attention if i wish to invest gold thru local banks ?

How's the range of the sales charges / redemption charges / sell off charges / other misc charges ?



2. After opening a gold invest a/c in local banks, any ways i could track and perform top up/ sell off thru their online bank facilities ?


3. What's the advisable entry level investment amount range ? Is the range up more than 2K as a start risky ?


4. Is gold depend largely on USD ? What IF USD went down hill or even crash over long term ?


5. Which local banks of gold investment are recommended ?



Any advise/ input welcome. thx.



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hi all sifu,

me new to gold here.  Some questions need advise.
1.  What are the things to pay attention if i wish to invest gold thru local banks ?

How's the range of the sales charges / redemption charges / sell off charges / other misc charges  ?
2. After opening a gold invest a/c in local banks, any ways i could track and perform top up/ sell off thru their online bank facilities ?
3. What's the advisable entry level investment amount range ?  Is the range up more than 2K as a start risky ?


4.  Is gold depend largely on USD ?  What IF USD went down hill or even crash over long term ?
5. Which local banks of gold investment are recommended ?
Any advise/ input welcome.  thx.
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Get real physical gold. Don't buy from goldsmith shop or gold jewelry shop though. Buy gold bullion products like gold coins (e.g. Kijang Emas, Canadian Maple Leaf, PAMP gold bars, etc.) It depends on the your purpose of investing in gold. If you're looking to short sell it, don't even think of investing in gold. If you're investing it as a hedge against inflation, just buy any amount that you're comfortable with. It's a good time to buy too as gold price has been dropping for the past 2 years. Gold prices usually trends opposite of USD.

If you still want to open a paper gold account with banks, Public Bank should be the best as their spread is low but they don't offer online facility(buy/sell) like Maybank, CIMB, etc..
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QUOTE(sinbad2k @ Nov 26 2014, 11:25 AM)
Get real physical gold. Don't buy from goldsmith shop or gold jewelry shop though. Buy gold bullion products like gold coins (e.g. Kijang Emas, Canadian Maple Leaf, PAMP gold bars, etc.) It depends on the your purpose of investing in gold. If you're looking to short sell it, don't even think of investing in gold. If you're investing it as a hedge against inflation, just buy any amount that you're comfortable with. It's a good time to buy too as gold price has been dropping for the past 2 years. Gold prices usually trends opposite of USD.

If you still want to open a paper gold account with banks, Public Bank should be the best as their spread is low but they don't offer online facility(buy/sell) like Maybank, CIMB, etc..
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Isnt UOB bank better since their spread is even lower? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Life_House @ Nov 25 2014, 07:09 PM)
hi all sifu,

me new to gold here.  Some questions need advise.
1.  What are the things to pay attention if i wish to invest gold thru local banks ?

How's the range of the sales charges / redemption charges / sell off charges / other misc charges  ?
2. After opening a gold invest a/c in local banks, any ways i could track and perform top up/ sell off thru their online bank facilities ?
3. What's the advisable entry level investment amount range ?  Is the range up more than 2K as a start risky ?


4.  Is gold depend largely on USD ?  What IF USD went down hill or even crash over long term ?
5. Which local banks of gold investment are recommended ?
Any advise/ input welcome.  thx.
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QUOTE(sinbad2k @ Nov 26 2014, 11:25 AM)
Get real physical gold. Don't buy from goldsmith shop or gold jewelry shop though. Buy gold bullion products like gold coins (e.g. Kijang Emas, Canadian Maple Leaf, PAMP gold bars, etc.) It depends on the your purpose of investing in gold. If you're looking to short sell it, don't even think of investing in gold. If you're investing it as a hedge against inflation, just buy any amount that you're comfortable with. It's a good time to buy too as gold price has been dropping for the past 2 years. Gold prices usually trends opposite of USD.

If you still want to open a paper gold account with banks, Public Bank should be the best as their spread is low but they don't offer online facility(buy/sell) like Maybank, CIMB, etc..
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can help enlighten why lower "spread" of gold is better ?

what are the others strength of the gold offered by public bank besides low spread ? any other misc charges ?






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Isnt UOB bank better since their spread is even lower?  hmm.gif
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can help enlighten why lower "spread" of gold is better ? 

what are the others strength of the gold offered by public bank besides low spread ?     any other misc charges ?
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If the spread is lower, you lose as little as possible when you're selling back. For e.g. the bank sells you RM137/g but will only buy at RM132/g from you if you decide to sell them back. The spread here is RM5/g.

Usually, paper gold accounts requires you to have minimum amount of gold to open an account and some charges applies on you if your gold account falls under certain amount of gold e.g. 10g for a specific period (differs from bank to bank). So you have to maintain a certain amount of "gold" in your account. If you want to convert your "gold" to a real physical gold (usually gold bars), the bank will usually impose a certain amount of charge per weight e.g. RM1/g + some processing fees for the conversion.

Also, the bank usually requires you to open a saving account with them to facilitate buying and selling gold with them.

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what are u guys' practice for long term investment ? buy the real gold together with paper gold, or mostly paper gold ?

those tracking statistics as in previous posts in this thread, is it based on only paper gold ?



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QUOTE(sinbad2k @ Nov 26 2014, 11:25 AM)
Get real physical gold. Don't buy from goldsmith shop or gold jewelry shop though. Buy gold bullion products like gold coins (e.g. Kijang Emas, Canadian Maple Leaf, PAMP gold bars, etc.) It depends on the your purpose of investing in gold. If you're looking to short sell it, don't even think of investing in gold. If you're investing it as a hedge against inflation, just buy any amount that you're comfortable with. It's a good time to buy too as gold price has been dropping for the past 2 years. Gold prices usually trends opposite of USD.

If you still want to open a paper gold account with banks, Public Bank should be the best as their spread is low but they don't offer online facility(buy/sell) like Maybank, CIMB, etc..
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I really do not understand why you want to buy gold from banks
They give you unattractive spread and also you have to pay for storage and other fees.
Also they may not even have the gold inside their vault.

If you want to buy paper gold, may as well open a trading account.
You get the most minimal spread and fees.
Hai

You may as well buy the real thing.

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I really do not understand why you want to buy gold from banks
They give you unattractive spread and also you have to pay for storage and other fees.
Also they may not even have the gold inside their vault.

If you want to buy paper gold, may as well open a trading account.
You get the most minimal spread and fees.
Hai

You may as well buy the real thing.
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hi sylar, it was me initiate the question about buying gold from local banks and simbad had given the advice..

as i'm still very new to gold, and i was trying to balance the transaction security vs profit gain..

because i'm still not quite convinced if i could handle on myself to deal with the transaction over some other websites on gold investments.

or do u guys have any better suggestions ?


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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Nov 26 2014, 02:16 PM)
I really do not understand why you want to buy gold from banks
They give you unattractive spread and also you have to pay for storage and other fees.
Also they may not even have the gold inside their vault.

If you want to buy paper gold, may as well open a trading account.
You get the most minimal spread and fees.
Hai

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are u quoting the wrong message post?
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hi sylar, it was me initiate the question about buying gold from local banks and simbad had given the advice..

as i'm still very new to gold, and i was trying to balance the transaction security  vs profit gain..

because i'm still not quite convinced if i could handle on myself to deal with the transaction over some other websites on gold investments.

or do u guys have any better suggestions ?
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if you're not comfortable with online precious metals dealers, you can look for those which has real physical premise and accepts walk-in or self collection. If you totally want to be safe, you can buy from Maybank(Kijang Emas gold coin) or UOB (Canadian Maple Leaf, Australian Golden Kangaroo, Singaporean Gold Lion). But buying from UOB requires you to open a saving account with the bank though.

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if you're not comfortable with online precious metals dealers, you can look for those which has real physical premise and accepts walk-in or self collection. If you totally want to be safe, you can buy from Maybank(Kijang Emas gold coin) or UOB (Canadian Maple Leaf, Australian Golden Kangaroo, Singaporean Gold Lion). But buying from UOB requires you to open a saving account with the bank though.
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with paper gold , we can sell when it gets profit; but can we also do this for real gold like above mentioned ?




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Gold doing 1197 and is going sideways/consolidating/ranging and maybe forming a breakout pattern, Crude Oil and USD "damp". This of course is the "big picture"
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QUOTE(Life_House @ Nov 25 2014, 07:09 PM)
hi all sifu,

me new to gold here.  Some questions need advise.
1.  What are the things to pay attention if i wish to invest gold thru local banks ?

How's the range of the sales charges / redemption charges / sell off charges / other misc charges  ?
2. After opening a gold invest a/c in local banks, any ways i could track and perform top up/ sell off thru their online bank facilities ?
3. What's the advisable entry level investment amount range ?  Is the range up more than 2K as a start risky ?


4.  Is gold depend largely on USD ?  What IF USD went down hill or even crash over long term ?
5. Which local banks of gold investment are recommended ?
Any advise/ input welcome.  thx.
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I am learning this trade myself & If I am not mistaken, there are only six banks in Malaysia where you can trade/invest in "paper gold" with most allowing withdrawal in physical gold. The banks are UOB, Public Bank, Maybank, CIMB, Kuwait Finance House and HSBC. You can check their website for full details on their Gold Account.

For me, the order of importance 1) Purity - is it 999.9, 99.9 or 99.5? this to ensure we can make an apple-apple comparison between the banks offering this product 2) The buy/sell spread i.e. how much I pay when I buy & how much I get when I sell it back and is measured as a percentage. The lowest is UOB at 1.61%, the highest is KFH at 6.1%, HSBC is ????, is in Oz whereas all the others are in grams and still ???? 3) Whether can trade on-line so as to avoid the hassle of traveling to/from the bank, an important factor I think 4) The mark-up compared with the spot price (e.g. London Fix). I believe the rest of the matters are +/- and it includes a) how many grams initial purchase b) how many grams subsequent purchase/sale c) minimum balance in account d) Do I need an associate saving/current account e) Whether our "paper gold" is backed up with physical gold f) passbook or monthly statement, etc etc.

o You can track the banks selling & buying price on their website but HSBC ???
o How much to start is dictated by the bank based on specified "Initial Investment". How much you want to invest is up to you but if you are new better to start with the minimum... get knowledge, tools, skills and experience before building on it.
o There are many factors which affect the price of Gold... USD is just one of it
o Which banks? I am still checking it out wink.gif

Welcome to "paper gold" trading, lets make money here then talk about physical gold and then on to Bursa's gold futures (FGLD) which is moving quite slow smile.gif
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QUOTE(lyralp @ Nov 26 2014, 11:25 PM)
I am learning this trade myself & If I am not mistaken, there are only six banks in Malaysia where you can trade/invest in "paper gold" with most allowing withdrawal in physical gold. The banks are UOB, Public Bank, Maybank, CIMB, Kuwait Finance House and HSBC. You can check their website for full details on their Gold Account.

For me, the order of importance 1) Purity - is it 999.9, 99.9 or 99.5? this to ensure we can make an apple-apple comparison between the banks offering this product 2) The buy/sell spread i.e. how much I pay when I buy & how much I get when I sell it back and is measured as a percentage. The lowest is UOB at 1.61%, the highest is KFH at 6.1%, HSBC is ????, is in Oz whereas all the others are in grams and still ???? 3) Whether can trade on-line so as to avoid the hassle of traveling to/from the bank, an important factor I think 4) The mark-up compared with the spot price (e.g. London Fix). I believe the rest of the matters are +/- and it includes a) how many grams initial purchase b) how many grams subsequent purchase/sale c) minimum balance in account d) Do I need an associate saving/current account e) Whether our "paper gold" is backed up with physical gold f) passbook or monthly statement, etc etc.

o You can track the banks selling & buying price on their website but HSBC ???
o How much to start is dictated by the bank based on specified "Initial Investment". How much you want to invest is up to you but if you are new better to start with the minimum... get knowledge, tools, skills and experience before building on it.
o There are many factors which affect the price of Gold... USD is just one of it
o  Which banks? I am still checking it out wink.gif

Welcome to "paper gold" trading, lets make money here then talk about physical gold and then on to Bursa's gold futures (FGLD) which is moving quite slow smile.gif
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paper gold is the most cheapest when you think about it. You only pay through the spread...and the gold is non tradeable with other customer.

This means paper gold is direct trade between you and the bank. The only way you make a profit is at the banks loss when the price move upwards....the bank stands to earn through the spread and the possibility the gld price might come down further and you dont have the financial discipline of holding power...

However let say you make a correct and big call... and yu profit a few hundred thousand or mils...when you cash out you are profiting at the banks loss....

I hope the banks honour their contract and dont dilly dallying on the payments tongue.gif sweat.gif

So my best advice before investing in paper gold...read the banks term and condition fineprint carefully.

1) The paper gold can be changed to real gold even at an extra service charge if u wish...

2) No grey area clause the bank can avoid/delay buying it back from you when the price is profitable and advantageous to you(at a bank losses)

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QUOTE(Life_House @ Nov 26 2014, 04:18 PM)
with paper gold , we can sell when it gets profit;  but can we also do this for real gold like above mentioned ?
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Definitely. I'm not sure about others in this forum, but I buy gold as a hedge against inflation. I prefer physical gold that's close to me to paper gold as paper gold are usually backed by nothing but a "promise" by the bank. In the event of a currency crisis, all these paper gold could probably be worth less than what you initially invest or nothing at all. They aren't insured by PIDM too.

Real physical gold on the other hand, especially from those recognised mints, will definitely hold value and easy to be liquidated since they're from recognised mints which guarantee their purity.(not those gold from goldsmith shop like gold bar cap bunga raya,etc.)

I've paper gold account with CIMB, but the T&C is just not so favourable to me
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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Nov 26 2014, 08:28 AM)
how much cheaper in singapore for a 100gm Cast PAMP? thank you smile.gif
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guess you can shout out loud its cheaper there, with no answer means nothing. lowest I can get for a pamp here vs market *.*k spread.. beat that.

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QUOTE(sinbad2k @ Nov 27 2014, 12:52 AM)
Definitely. I'm not sure about others in this forum, but I buy gold as a hedge against inflation. I prefer physical gold that's close to me to paper gold as paper gold are usually backed by nothing but a "promise" by the bank. In the event of a currency crisis, all these paper gold could probably be worth less than what you initially invest or nothing at all. They aren't insured by PIDM too.

Real physical gold on the other hand, especially from those recognised mints, will definitely hold value and easy to be liquidated since they're from recognised mints which guarantee their purity.(not those gold from goldsmith shop like gold bar cap bunga raya,etc.)

I've paper gold account with CIMB, but the T&C is just not so favourable to me
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would u mind give an real life example on how the real gold buy in -> gain profit -> sell out ?


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QUOTE(Life_House @ Nov 27 2014, 11:13 AM)
would u mind give an real life example on how the real gold buy in -> gain profit -> sell out  ?
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Err...what do you mean? It's just like buying stocks.....buy at current market price-> prices increase -> sell off and make profit. Does that answer your Q?

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QUOTE(sinbad2k @ Nov 27 2014, 11:21 AM)
Err...what do you mean? It's just like buying stocks.....buy at current market price-> prices increase -> sell off and make profit. Does that answer your Q?
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like, how's the example procedure in local banks when we want sell off the real gold


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Paper gold or real physical gold?
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you can use gold to hedge againts inflation, but in order to do that you need to lock the price.. hence the true meaning of "hedge",
means if the price of gold drops much more than inflation rate.. youre f***ed

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QUOTE(sinbad2k @ Nov 27 2014, 11:26 AM)
Paper gold or real physical gold?
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real physical gold


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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Nov 27 2014, 11:32 AM)
you can use gold to hedge againts inflation, but in order to do that you need to lock the price.. hence the true meaning of "hedge",
means if the price of gold drops much more than inflation rate.. youre f***ed
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If that happens, indeed I am! But, after learning how modern monetary system works, I've more faith in precious metals than in paper assets.
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QUOTE(Life_House @ Nov 27 2014, 11:54 AM)
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Ok, let's take Maybank for example.

1)You can just go to any Maybank branch that sells Kijang Emas gold coin (they come in 1Oz , 1/2 Oz. and 1/4Oz denomination) and tell them you want to buy Kijang Emas gold coin. They'll need your IC for sale documentation.

2)Then you pay and get your gold coin at the rates on Maybank's Gold & Silver counter rates(see the link below).

3)Then when the gold price is up, you can go back to Maybank(or Ar-Rahnu) and sell them the gold coin. They'll probably require the original receipt if you're selling to Ar-Rahnu(you can ask Maybank staff more on selling the coin), but in any case just keep the receipt.

4)You then get your money at the current price of the coin listed on Maybank's website Maybank Gold & Silver Counter Rates

Here, to find out which branch has Kijang Emas gold coin: Kijang Emas Gold Bullion Coins

For UOB, you'll need to open up a savings account with the bank and it's only available at UOB HQ in KL. But they have Canadian Maple Leafs, Australian Golden Kangaroo Nugget and Singapore Gold Lion coin which is cheaper than Kijang Emas. They also has PAMP gold bars too. Though I've not bought from UOB before, I reckon the buying and selling process will be more or less same as Maybank's.

I'm not sure about other banks' procedure but I found that Maybank's one is pretty straightforward.


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QUOTE(turion64 @ Nov 26 2014, 02:23 PM)
UOB bank gold page error ?
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this is weird, it was still okay on Tuesday. It wasn't accessible since yesterday. I check their rates everyday.
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yeah UOB website gold prices has been inaccessible , if you guys find another link to it please share. TQ.

So now, is the predicted year end crash for gold still stands?
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Gold doing 1193. Is going down along with Crude Oil. USD going sideways. Crude taking a bit hit, doing 70.32/barrel all because OPEC not going to reduce its production.

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Gold fell on Friday on the back of a slump in oil prices, with strength in the dollar piling further pressure on the metal, ahead of a referendum on the management of Swiss bullion reserves this weekend.

Oil prices posted their sharpest losses since 2011 on Thursday after OPEC refrained from cutting its output, following a more than 30 percent plunge in prices since June. Oil steadied on Friday, but remained under pressure.

"Weakness in oil prices isn't good for gold, because inflation expectations are adjusted downwards," ABN Amro analyst Georgette Boele said.

"We've been looking at inflation expectations and oil prices and gold, and there has been a very strong relationship this year."


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Gold doing 1183 & is down along with Crude Oil which is doing about 70/barrel. USD has shot up to RM3.388.
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I wonder how low the gold can be .. I want to buy it when it hits all time low.

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I wonder how low the gold can be .. I want to buy it when it hits all time low.
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Jim Rodgers claimed that it could go as low as 900 so lets see.


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Jim Rodgers claimed that it could go as low as 900 so lets see.
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900 !! I want it lower !! Need to get gold coins.
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900 !! I want it lower !! Need to get gold coins.
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Got my hands on a Canadian Maple a few weeks back and damn its gorgeous wub.gif
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I need to get a few gold coins .. Where do you get a maple coin ??

List of coin I wanted to get

- Kijang Emas coin
- Kelantan Gold coin
- Brunei Gold coin
- Maple Gold coin

Maybe some where in 1oz or 1/2 oz.


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Counter.. they need to issue you Gold book and some document require.
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After swiss referendum on gold, bet gold price will drop tomorrow.


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Hi guys, what is the best way to buy gold?

either through CIMB click or Maybank2u

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How do you all buy gold coins?

I am interested to buy some.
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I need to get a few gold coins .. Where do you get a maple coin ??

List of coin I wanted to get

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- Kelantan Gold coin
- Brunei Gold coin 
- Maple Gold coin

Maybe some where in 1oz or 1/2 oz.
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An uncle of mine bought a tube of 10 coins and passed me one.

He bought it from APMEX.
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An uncle of mine bought a tube of 10 coins and passed me one.

He bought it from APMEX.
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What size you got? I bought the 1oz kijang gold coin and also loving it! Gold coins are gorgeous!

APMEX? Do you mean buy it online APMEX.com? Is it secure???? rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 1 2014, 12:19 AM)
After swiss referendum on gold, bet gold price will drop tomorrow.
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R u sure? From Armstrong economics blog his reporting the swiss are in such bad financial shape right now since bowing down to eu and pegging their swiss franc to the euro...the value of theor currency have weakened and drag down....only by going back to gold backed standard can increase the confidence in swiss economy...
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Swiss voted strongly against the referendum. Wonder will gold fall back to pre 2008 ? 900 ?
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What size you got? I bought the 1oz kijang gold coin and also loving it! Gold coins are gorgeous!

APMEX? Do you mean buy it online APMEX.com? Is it secure???? rclxub.gif
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1oz. I wouldn't waste my time in opting for the smaller sized coins like the 1/10th or 1/20 as they are too small and the premium is pretty high to even break even unless if you're looking for it as a collection.

Uncles has been buying fro their site for sometime and he claims that its secure. He received a damaged coin once and they were willing to exchange it without much questions asked. The only cost that he had to bear was to ship his damaged coin to them.

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Dec 1 2014, 01:06 PM)
Swiss voted strongly against the referendum. Wonder will gold fall back to pre 2008 ? 900 ?
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Monumental decision that eventually will suppress gold to below 1000usd an ounce...
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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Nov 30 2014, 11:32 PM)
Hi guys, what is the best way to buy gold?

either through CIMB click or Maybank2u

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How do you all buy gold coins?

I am interested to buy some.
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Get real gold coins/rounds! Easiest way is to buy from Maybank. Just check out Kijang Emas gold coin from Maybank's website

QUOTE(hkboey @ Dec 1 2014, 11:28 AM)
What size you got? I bought the 1oz kijang gold coin and also loving it! Gold coins are gorgeous!

APMEX? Do you mean buy it online APMEX.com? Is it secure???? rclxub.gif
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I've Kijang Emas gold coin but I think the Canadian Maple Leaf's design is better.


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1oz. I wouldn't waste my time in opting for the smaller sized coins like the 1/10th or 1/20 as they are too small and the premium is pretty high to even break even unless if you're looking for it as a collection.

Uncles has been buying fro their site for sometime and he claims that its secure. He received a damaged coin once and they were willing to exchange it without much questions asked. The only cost that he had to bear was to ship his damaged coin to them.
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Smaller sized coins comes with premium because they're easier to liquidate (also bcoz of higher production cost compare to bigger denomination). When you sell it, you get the premium back. If you're looking to invest based on weight/$, gold bars will give you the best worth, but they're more difficult to liquidate compared to coins.

Was thinking of buying from APMEX, but the shipping fee is a turn-off. The minimum shipping fee is USD49.90, so I suppose your uncle bought a lot to make the purchase worth the price?
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Gold doing 1170/T.Oz and went down to a low of 1142. Crude Oil is doing 65/barrel and went down to a low of 63. USD has shot up some more, now for 1 USD you can get RM3.422, it has appreciated 27 sen in just two months.... hmmmn. how to ride this/these dragon(s) smile.gif

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QUOTE(sinbad2k @ Dec 1 2014, 05:12 PM)
Get real gold coins/rounds! Easiest way is to buy from Maybank. Just check out Kijang Emas gold coin from Maybank's website
I've Kijang Emas gold coin but I think the Canadian Maple Leaf's design is better.
Smaller sized coins comes with premium because they're easier to liquidate (also bcoz of higher production cost compare to bigger denomination). When you sell it, you get the premium back. If you're looking to invest based on weight/$, gold bars will give you the best worth, but they're more difficult to liquidate compared to coins.

Was thinking of buying from APMEX, but the shipping fee is a turn-off. The minimum shipping fee is USD49.90, so I suppose your uncle bought a lot to make the purchase worth the price?
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A tube of 10 coins is what he went for.

Although smaller sized coins are easier to liquidate, its going to take a longer time for one to even break even when compared to another individual that has an 10z coin. Guess, its more of a trade off here.


Got to warn newbies here, collecting gold bullions is definitely an addiction lol. Started having the urge to get Proof coins and might jump into the boat if gold falls even more.
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Monumental decision that eventually will suppress gold to below 1000usd an ounce...
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Are you sure now that gold will go to 1000USD? Actually, seeing gold recovering so fast makes me a little arrr sad.

Note that with negative gofo rate, going to 1000USD will only make the whole situation a little arrrrrr "complicated"

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A tube of 10 coins is what he went for.

Although smaller sized coins are easier to liquidate, its going to take a longer time for one to even break even when compared to another individual that has an 10z coin. Guess, its more of a trade off here.
Got to warn newbies here, collecting gold bullions is definitely an addiction lol. Started having the urge to get Proof coins and might jump into the boat if gold falls even more.
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longer time to break even?you should be buying stocks then, not precious metals...
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longer time to break even?you should be buying stocks then, not precious metals...
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Monumental decision that eventually will suppress gold to below 1000usd an ounce...
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seems like sudden move upwards towards 1214 usd mark..
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QUOTE(turion64 @ Dec 2 2014, 01:22 AM)
anyone able to view UOB gold price website? its been down since last week
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 2 2014, 12:33 PM)
Hahah we all got troll by gold man!
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Trolled?
You said gold will go down. It broke 1200 and even went 1220.

It has form a new support at the 1200 level.

Seriously, you are a joke. You really are.

Cannot be taken seriously at all.

You think that the only factor in Gold is the current paper price. But then, even traders are aware of the demand for the physical right now and they know that if price goes down too much, supply will eventually run out and then real market forces take control.

Supplies are very limited based on gofo rates.

Looking at the charts, you seriously think that Gold price is really based on supply and demand or is it a game of poker. To me, it's more of a game of poker rather then supply and demand but seeing your sophisication, you probably actually think that the gold price is actually based on supply and demand.

I mean what can we expect from someone who cannot even do a price comparison even when the links are provided.

So how much did you lose by shorting.

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post Dec 2 2014, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(turion64 @ Dec 2 2014, 01:22 AM)
anyone able to view UOB gold price website? its been down since last week
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The gold savings account is ok but the gold bullion price is still down. I can't access it too.
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Dec 2 2014, 03:50 PM)
Trolled?
You said gold will go down. It broke 1200 and even went 1220.

It has form a new support at the 1200 level.

Seriously, you are a joke. You really are.

Cannot be taken seriously at all.

You think that the only factor in Gold is the current paper price. But then, even traders are aware of the demand for the physical right now and they know that if price goes down too much, supply will eventually run out and then real market forces take control.

Supplies are very limited based on gofo rates.

Looking at the charts, you seriously think that Gold price is really based on supply and demand or is it a game of poker. To me, it's more of a game of poker rather then supply and demand but seeing your sophisication, you probably actually think that the gold price is actually based on supply and demand.

I mean what can we expect from someone who cannot even do a price comparison even when the links are provided.

So how much did you lose by shorting.
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You bet on up? I bet nothing so far. Im just monitoring it. Let see where it will go long term. Not interested on short term outlook...

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 2 2014, 07:06 PM)
You bet on up? I bet nothing so far. Im just monitoring it. Let see where it will go long term. Not interested on short term outlook...
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I know it will not go up forever.
I bought some mining stocks recently.
Because as I said. This market is fixed. It's more of a poker game rather then the real market. Traders playing gold are not interested in gold. They are only interested in "outwitting" each other. Also there will be those large obvious naked shorts on option expiry day. Last Friday was option expiry day and that is why you see precious metals getting whacked.

If you look at the chart last Friday or Thursday and never suspect anything, then really nothing to say.

The thing is, you could probably make some money predicting what would likely be the next move then just holding long. Because it will take some time.

As I said. There are many signs that actual physical gold in the open market is running out. when that happens. Say good bye to the current price mechanism that you are currently using.
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Dec 2 2014, 08:23 PM)
I know it will not go up forever.
I bought some mining stocks recently.
Because as I said. This market is fixed. It's more of a poker game rather then the real market. Traders playing gold are not interested in gold. They are only interested in "outwitting" each other. Also there will be those large obvious naked shorts on option expiry day. Last Friday was option expiry day and that is why you see precious metals getting whacked.

If you look at the chart last Friday or Thursday and never suspect anything, then really nothing to say.

The thing is, you could probably make some money predicting what would likely be the next move then just holding long. Because it will take some time.

As I said. There are many signs that actual physical gold in the open market is running out. when that happens. Say good bye to the current price mechanism that you are currently using.
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Thr are wild swing this 2 days. Last i check yesterday afternoon it was 1150. No suddenpy exceed 1200. Nope i dont dare yet to touch this commodity unless it drop below 1k usd. If not ill just monitor from the side.

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 2 2014, 08:09 PM)
Thr are wild swing this 2 days. Last i check yesterday afternoon it was 1150. No suddenpy exceed 1200. Nope i dont dare yet to touch this commodity unless it drop below 1k usd. If not ill just monitor from the side.
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So you dun even read charts.
And you claim to be an "expert".

Seriously. I overestimated your abilities.
You lack even the most basic skills.

http://goldprice.org/

For the rest who is interested.

I am dealing with a moron all this while.

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Dec 2 2014, 09:49 PM)
So you dun even read charts.
And you claim to be an "expert".

Seriously. I overestimated your abilities.
You lack even the most basic skills.

http://goldprice.org/

For the rest who is interested.

I am dealing with a moron all this while.
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Give me a timeframe then. Based on the charts, if gold price close at 31st december 2014 above 1310usd. Then early next year we may see a small rally for gold.

If gold unble to beat this rate...long term bearish run until sept 2015 next yr. Accompanied by some small spike of volatility probably in april 2015

For now, if the price closed above 1217usd, a bit potential to the upside is still possible. Even if it did rally right now, max it will only go up to 1275 area.

Oh and btw. Im not an expert. Even my forecast follow back my economic forecast sifu mr martin armstrong forecast. U can see it on his daily blog.

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post Dec 2 2014, 09:04 PM

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A gold bug don't really care if the price is up or down.. they will just collect it.

An investor will then monitor the up and down like a manic...
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Gold doing 1200/T.Oz a big recovery from previous low of 1142. Crude Oil is doing 68/barrel recovered from previous low of 63. USD staying high with 1 USD giving RM3.43

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post Dec 3 2014, 12:26 AM

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hey guys.. is it a good idea to buy around rm5-8k worth of gold this time around? i wanted to save it and maybe sell it back in 2 years when in need (getting married) because i've heard the depreciating ringgit values.

or should i just save the money in asb?
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QUOTE(dc28yk @ Dec 2 2014, 09:04 PM)
A gold bug don't really care if the price is up or down.. they will just collect it.

An investor will then monitor the up and down like a manic...
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Actually they care.

I mean if I think the price will go down. Why should I collect now?

Remember, most gold bugs are actually logical people who have decent financial discernment.
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Who is interested at those more and more offensive remarks ? no one it seems.

cannot be taken seriously la , so what. wrong prediction so what, follow at your own risk. you are a joke, you really are . Seeing no hurt, became more toxic, putting an expert hat on, overestimated own abilities, people lack basic skills to the extent of screaming out a moron ?

Just what abilities you have to justify all that? Can predict gold? you got crystal balls so unbreakable?







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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 3 2014, 01:17 AM)
Who is interested at those more and more offensive remarks ? no one it seems.

cannot be taken seriously la , so what. wrong prediction so what, follow at your own risk. you are a joke, you really are . Seeing no hurt, became more toxic, putting an expert hat on, overestimated own abilities, people lack basic skills to the extent of screaming out  a moron ?

Just what abilities you have to justify all that? Can predict gold? you got crystal balls so unbreakable?
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I guess another one in this forum.
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Cool bros....take this forum as opinions and sharing of information....no one should 'follow' blindly.
of course can ask any question------ and up to the person to read the 'answer' or 'suggestion'.
No one should take comments here as 'sure thing' as who knows what might happen next ?
Up, down, sideways, crash ...all possibilities....what you believe is what is important...and that doesn't mean you are necessarily correct.
chill..

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QUOTE(ronho @ Dec 3 2014, 08:20 AM)
Cool bros....take this forum as opinions and sharing of information....no one should 'follow' blindly.
of course can ask any question------ and up to the person to read the 'answer' or 'suggestion'.
No one should take comments here as 'sure thing' as who knows what might happen next ?
Up, down, sideways, crash ...all possibilities....what you believe is what is important...and that doesn't mean you are necessarily correct.
chill..
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yes, you read prediction here with a brain. at your own risk.
as though people owe him a living when it is wrong.

only people who has inferiority complex would go around belittling others ,
calling people moron, dont even have the most basic skills,etc
just to inflate own ego........sigh...

the most basic skill you need is forum etiquette!
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Looks like gold price and gone up significantly. Wonder would it start going down or continue doing well for the 13th consecutive year.
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A true gold bug understand the fundamentals of currency...

If they collect, they aren't looking at a 5-10 years time span.. They are really into selling it..

For them.. is a asset collect.. price go up.. buy lesser.. price go down.. but more only...

Yes.. some "gold bugs" buy with trend... but mostly.. they dont.. trust the older generation.. Work hard.. Be kind.. Collect Gold.. not currency.. coz they been through war and depression. They know what currency is... is paper...
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QUOTE(adamhzm90 @ Dec 3 2014, 12:26 AM)
hey guys.. is it a good idea to buy around rm5-8k worth of gold this time around? i wanted to save it and maybe sell it back in 2 years when in need (getting married) because i've heard the depreciating ringgit values.

or should i just save the money in asb?
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hi all sifu, i have about the similar concern .. any advise ? thx.


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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Dec 2 2014, 02:50 PM)
Trolled?
You said gold will go down. It broke 1200 and even went 1220.

It has form a new support at the 1200 level.

Seriously, you are a joke. You really are.

Cannot be taken seriously at all.

You think that the only factor in Gold is the current paper price. But then, even traders are aware of the demand for the physical right now and they know that if price goes down too much, supply will eventually run out and then real market forces take control.

Supplies are very limited based on gofo rates.

Looking at the charts, you seriously think that Gold price is really based on supply and demand or is it a game of poker. To me, it's more of a game of poker rather then supply and demand but seeing your sophisication, you probably actually think that the gold price is actually based on supply and demand.

I mean what can we expect from someone who cannot even do a price comparison even when the links are provided.

So how much did you lose by shorting.
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Beside jewelry, gold has hardly any industrial use. Believe over 80% gold mined is recycled mean quantity of gold available is increasing every year.

QUOTE(dc28yk @ Dec 3 2014, 10:26 AM)
A true gold bug understand the fundamentals of currency...

If they collect, they aren't looking at a 5-10 years time span.. They are really into selling it..

For them.. is a asset collect.. price go up.. buy lesser.. price go down.. but more only...

Yes.. some "gold bugs" buy with trend... but mostly.. they dont.. trust the older generation.. Work hard.. Be kind.. Collect Gold.. not currency.. coz they been through war and depression. They know what currency is... is paper...
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Keeping and storing gold is a liability and don't generate any income, beside long term gold price is unpredictable. Money could be better invested elsewhere.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 3 2014, 02:36 PM)
Beside jewelry, gold has hardly any industrial use. Believe over 80% gold mined is recycled mean quantity of gold available is increasing every year.
Keeping and storing gold is a liability and don't generate any income, beside long term gold price is unpredictable. Money could be better invested elsewhere.
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Banks and the feds gonna do all they can to suppress the value of physical asset like gold or silver.

Dont know how long this money printing business backed by nothing tangible will last...
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QUOTE(dc28yk @ Dec 3 2014, 11:26 AM)
A true gold bug understand the fundamentals of currency...

If they collect, they aren't looking at a 5-10 years time span.. They are really into selling it..

For them.. is a asset collect.. price go up.. buy lesser.. price go down.. but more only...

Yes.. some "gold bugs" buy with trend... but mostly.. they dont.. trust the older generation.. Work hard.. Be kind.. Collect Gold.. not currency.. coz they been through war and depression. They know what currency is... is paper...
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The limitation to collecting it long term is its a static asset. U cant rent it out to people. U wont receive a dividend for keeping it with any financial institution as its not liquid like fiat currency and can be channeled for invesment and given dividend.

There are other assets class like property collecting rental or shares in a companies that is more dynamic and can give u passive return overtime.

However gold still remain the best instrument to hedge against any potential economic collapse
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 3 2014, 01:36 PM)
Beside jewelry, gold has hardly any industrial use. Believe over 80% gold mined is recycled mean quantity of gold available is increasing every year.
Keeping and storing gold is a liability and don't generate any income, beside long term gold price is unpredictable. Money could be better invested elsewhere.
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icemanfx.

That is precisely why Gold is viewed as the best form of money. Because it has no industrialusage.
Because it has very little usage.

The amount of available gold that are currently open is very limited actually.

Based on your theory, gold should be near zero if gold is just something which is aesthetic and has no real value. The fact that 1kg of gold right now could probably buy you a Honda says otherwise.
If gold was so unvaluable, why is that so. Why is it that people still put such a premium on something that just looks nice on the outside. But has no usage as all in other things.

Well, the amount of gold that can be mined is very limited. I believe market forces has priced that in.

So where do you think you want to invest your money in? Stock Market? Do you know the stock market has been tanking recently? So are you proposing that you put your money right now into "good" company and when a crash comes, can come anytime based on fundamentals not only of Malaysia but of the whole world in general, that you just tell yourself that hey I am after all "contributing" to the economy.

Oh put in bonds whereby governments around the world has been inflating like nobodies business.

Or in the over inflated property market that we have which will most likely crash together with the stock market.

You seem to have an understanding of booms and bust. But then your understanding of Gold and the history of Gold is very limited.
The fact that central banks around the world accumulates Gold shows that the top people still put a premium on Gold. If gold was so useless, why are central banks accumulating something which is useless? Are they stupid?

As an economics student, why dun you understand terms like gofo rates instead of just being under the cave?

I think you should maybe try to look at the world not based on just what your professor says.

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Dec 3 2014, 02:59 PM)
The limitation to collecting it long term is its a static asset. U cant rent it out to people. U wont receive a dividend for keeping it with any financial institution as its not liquid like fiat currency and can be channeled for invesment and given dividend.

There are other assets class like property collecting rental or shares in a companies that is more dynamic and can give u passive return overtime.

However gold still remain the best instrument to hedge against any potential economic collapse
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Gold can actually be used as collateral.
You can use the Gold that you have to reduce the interest payment as when you give the lender Gold as collateral, interest will be reduced.

Guess you did not know that as well.
Many things you dunno actually.
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Dec 3 2014, 05:07 PM)
icemanfx.

That is precisely why Gold is viewed as the best form of money. Because it has no industrialusage.
Because it has very little usage.

The amount of available gold that are currently open is very limited actually.

Based on your theory, gold should be near zero if gold is just something which is aesthetic and has no real value. The fact that 1kg of gold right now could probably buy you a Honda says otherwise.
If gold was so unvaluable, why is that so. Why is it that people still put such a premium on something that just looks nice on the outside. But has no usage as all in other things.

Well, the amount of gold that can be mined is very limited. I believe market forces has priced that in.

So where do you think you want to invest your money in? Stock Market? Do you know the stock market has been tanking recently? So are you proposing that you put your money right now into "good" company and when a crash comes, can come anytime based on fundamentals not only of Malaysia but of the whole world in general, that you just tell yourself that hey I am after all "contributing" to the economy.

Oh put in bonds whereby governments around the world has been inflating like nobodies business.

Or in the over inflated property market that we have which will most likely crash together with the stock market.

You seem to have an understanding of booms and bust. But then your understanding of Gold and the history of Gold is very limited.
The fact that central banks around the world accumulates Gold shows that the top people still put a premium on Gold. If gold was so useless, why are central banks accumulating something which is useless? Are they stupid?

As an economics student, why dun you understand terms like gofo rates instead of just being under the cave?

I think you should maybe try to look at the world not based on just what your professor says.
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I think he try to explain in terms of using gold or silver directly in the trading between community. Our current fiancial model is based on fiat paper printing money.

No doubt gold can be purchased either as paper asset or physical side. But its usage in world economy is rather limited towards perceive 'investment', 'hedge', 'store of value'. If we can somehow integrate gold/silver into daily trade between ppl..im sure the value can go much higjer. Right now the current fiat system used in our community is isolating this physical asset with such limited usage.

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