have to save some old vessels for future generations..and its probably better to use containers on barges as tragets

Talking about anti-ship missiles, I thought I saw photos from a parade in KL where they showcased a KH-31 (AS-17 'Krypton") but as I looked it up & found out what we have is only the anti-radiation missile version. No anti-ship version of KH-31 in our arsenal?



Also, are there any more reliable methods of testing anti-ship missiles than shooting it at an old ship or floating barge/container? It seems to me shooting a guided missile at a stationary target that don't fight back is not exactly an exact simulation of real world anti-shipping warfare scenarios and a test of true tracking/evasion capabilities of a missile.

I mean, any decent missile can do a straight run & hit a dumb stationary target.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Sep 12 2014, 09:10 AM

According to the video posted by LTZ, seem's like we got it.

Majlis penghormatan terakhir dan persemadian isteri kepada Lt Kdr Lee Vee Weng TLDM di Muar. TLDM turut menghantar wakil dalam majlis tersebut yang diketuai oleh Kept Chan Peng Cheong. TLDM mengucapkan takziah atas kehilangan saudara.



https://www.facebook.com/NavyTheBest/posts/852545434764907

We have both type.
Rip.
a great lost to the nation.

are you referring to yj-12's predecessor or the version launched by plane? yj 12 is a family, the ones launched by ship i believe is mach 1-2 cruising and 3 at terminal... the newer cm400akg reaches mach 5 at terminal but not mass produced yet

the funny thing is, in the article it say radar jamming.

in that close range. Who need radar? It pure dogfight ad with visual sight. All depends on the pilot skills and fighter manoeuvring

brahmos is twice as fast with better target acquisition and defence system avoidance. It speculated that brahmos anti-ship variant which based on p700 also have the same swarm attack capability integrated in it. Meaning it also for saturation attack and not a single missile only will be launch during actual operation

what set it apart again is its speed. While maybe modern ciws or modern point defence system can counter mach 1-2 missiles. It still take few critical second from identification to interception. So if you have a faster missiles like mach 4-5, the defence system have to work twice as fast to counter the threat. In hope that during saturation attack, the defence system only may counter maybe one or two while missing the rest.

Of course, in video publish you only see one missiles launch, because no point doing saturation attack on stationary harmless training target. Missiles mahal and not cheap to fire But like the falkland war, normally more than one antiship missiles will be launched for a single target to increase the probability of it actually hitting

i doubt malaysia navy want to stock up china missiles. india Brahmos or russian or europe equivalent would be the preference. It was considered for our kedah class but with typical what the armed forces want, armed forces wont get

CM400 AKG already export to pakistan, also more advance version （advance seeker） in develop ， maybe can see in this Oct Zhuhai airshow。

This post has been edited by wanvadder: Sep 12 2014, 11:10 AM

Anti ship missile was fired during Angsa

our ship with seawolf and vl-mica not much hope to counter mach4～5 ASM.
If chinese mssile is cheap and powerfull why not, anyway Kedah class will be install Exocet MM40 block 3 or max can hope NSM.
people to like brahmos ... but not thinking account went ship design the weight of missile (entire ship) already calculated to match engine and propeller also super structure of ship, Brahmos weight 3 tons vs Exocet at 680kg each. it is impossible to fit in to our ship.
our kedah ship is very-very slow ship already just 22 knot only

This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 12 2014, 11:29 AM

read previous article i posted

can be installed no problem on meko 100 class ship. Plus, it most likely same style like the external inclined launch tube instead of vls. Basically, turning out kedah class as missile boat

what i mean that, it can take the place on ship intended for exocet or others

similarly, it a plug n play system or fancy name module



http://www.klsreview.com/HTML/2009Jan_Jun/20090608_06.html

This post has been edited by thpace: Sep 12 2014, 11:42 AM

It's nice to fire a mix of Kh-31A and Kh-31P on an enemy fleet. It's a dilemma. They can't turn off the fire control radar to avoid Kh-31P, because they need to shoot down the Kh-31A.

I reckon if Malaysian Navy wants to install newer,heavier missiles onto our ships,we must do heavy modifications & refits rite?

As far as I know,most of these types must be launched vertically from VLS canisters and the canisters,due to size, are installed inside the hull itself, unlike smaller missiles (Exocet or Harpoon for example) that is put on modular canisters above deck and can be installed without relatively major modifications to the ship's design. Or are there a a version that is launched from modular canisters from above decks? (I know Russian P-500 Bazalt launchers are in containers on deck,but that's rather the exception than the,as I haven't seen any similar setup since)


Exocet MM-38 missile launch containers

i see...

yea, but limited quantities... not mass produced yet

VLS too small

Our ships too small to install VLS you mean?


On a side note, any latest news on the Malaysian Gowind frigate order? Construction still progressing as planned I hope? Fingers crossed we won't have another Lekiu-class fiasco.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Sep 12 2014, 12:22 PM

Off couse can install in cross X style for 2x2 unit, but total weight become 13 tons+，2x2 Exocet less 3 tons only, question now is ...
is ship Draught will increase?
is ship structure need enhance to take extra weight?
is extra weight will slow down ship speed ?
is extra weight will give extra load to engine and gearbox and propellers?
is module/sytem power specification same with exocet?
alot just business talk ... but alot hard work in behind ... went u want to install different system.

for Kedah class i more prefer to light NSM missile compare to Exocet MM40 Block3. it just small 1600 tons Corvette , no need to hard to install different system。

This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 12 2014, 12:36 PM

he means VLS system is too small to fit BrahMos missile ....
got gowind wait 2018 to get ship, for now can forgot it first, still long to wait.

brahmos VLS is too long for a small ship like kedah class, inclined would be a better option like the indian navy did. Maintenance and installation would be much easier as well

1) Yes most likely but depends. 15ton for marine grade vessel especially military one is not very heavy. Kashtan CIWS is even heavier But seeing Kedah class available space and current configuration on indian navy, 4 missile tubes would be the max, each 2 facing port and starboard side. The space for VLS front of the deck most likely again will be reserved for defence system installation

2) structure wise again depends where the navy want to put them. if VLS, then have to cut a hole on the hull. In external, just place it in line with structure with a few minor reinforcements. Not that difficult for a ship, just a few extra added metal on critical support structure. Military ship are constructed using higher strength steel unlike civilian plus kedah class module system, most likely supported

3) depending on the drought. 22 knot is not technically its max speed. Max speed is top secret 22knot you can call it cruising speed, for a cutter hull design ship, higher cruising speed is need for more fuel economy according to my fren from ALAM apparently to raise the hull above water

4) No, ship work in a diff way, the engine and propeller will provide a constant push. what drag a ship or slow a ship down is the surface area or drought in contact with water. The more, the more friction. The less, the faster it goes. That why i say, if the drought does not drop much, the speed wont be affected significantly. Besides that, the marine grade diesel engine can go 110 or 120% continuously is needed

5) This i cant answer you. 1st, I dunno the specific details. But since it come with a sealed missile canister, i assume it does not need much power. But depending on the target acquisition system. Not sure if need a new system or can piggy back on existing one.

Neh, when you want something, the service provider will do everything for you including where to place bla bla. You just have to pay them like how you want to customised your car. BTW, it just speculation no need to get so serious, the brahmos news was during DSA 2010. By then even the navy may have changed their mind

This post has been edited by thpace: Sep 12 2014, 02:35 PM