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azriel
post Sep 12 2014, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 12 2014, 12:19 PM)
Our ships too small to install VLS you mean?
On a side note, any latest news on the Malaysian Gowind frigate order? Construction still progressing as planned I hope? Fingers crossed we won't have another Lekiu-class fiasco.
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Couldn't find any news of Gowind's keel laying. If there isn't any keel laying then there isn't any construction to be begin with. Although there was news that the construction had begun.

Malaysian Ministry of Defence Confirms Construction of Gowind ships for LCS program



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post Sep 12 2014, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 12 2014, 02:28 PM)
brahmos VLS is too long for a small ship like kedah class, inclined would be a better option like the indian navy did. Maintenance and installation would be much easier as well
1) Yes most likely but depends. 15ton for marine grade vessel especially military one is not very heavy. Kashtan CIWS is even heavier tongue.gif  But seeing Kedah class available space and current configuration on indian navy, 4 missile tubes would be the max, each 2 facing port and starboard  side. The space for VLS front of the deck most likely again will be reserved for defence system installation

2) structure wise again depends where the navy want to put them. if VLS, then have to cut a hole on the hull. In external, just place it in line with structure with a few minor reinforcements. Not that difficult for a ship, just a few extra added metal on critical support structure. Military ship are constructed using higher strength steel unlike civilian plus kedah class module system, most likely supported

3) depending on the drought. 22 knot is not technically its max speed. Max speed is top secret  laugh.gif  22knot you can call it cruising speed, for a cutter hull design ship, higher cruising speed is need for more fuel economy according to my fren from ALAM apparently to raise the hull above water  

4) No, ship work in a diff way, the engine and propeller will provide a constant push. what drag a ship or slow a ship down is the surface area or drought in contact with water. The more, the more friction. The less, the faster it goes. That why i say, if the drought does not drop much, the speed wont be affected significantly. Besides that, the marine grade diesel engine can go 110 or 120% continuously is needed

5) This i cant answer you. 1st, I dunno the specific details. But since it come with a sealed missile canister, i assume it does not need much power. But depending on the target acquisition system. Not sure if need a new system or can piggy back on existing one.

Neh, when you want something, the service provider will do everything for you including where to place bla bla. You just have to pay them like how you want to customised your car. BTW, it just speculation no need to get so serious, the brahmos news was during DSA 2010. By then even the navy may have changed their mind  whistling.gif
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1. went design weapon before ship is built is ok, but install different spec after ship is built is different.
2. the place can hole 10 tons on deck in kedah class only heli pad. on original ASM place is no. unless add new metal to support.
3. Max speed not secret, nothing hope on 2x5450kW diesel engine on kedah class too low power (just like 1000 tons warship power). and kedah class economic cruising speed only 12 knot, usually warship design at lease ideally at 25/26 knot, good design is warship standard is 30 knot for propellers. 22 kt just like not warship level, just like boat level. hard to do counter pirate & smuggle, slow to reach location (already happens recently)
4. just extra load for engine, kedah class already too low engine power.
5. only manufacture will know.
just discussion , nothing too serious.

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post Sep 12 2014, 05:33 PM

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If RMN want to buy MdCN missile for future navy ship (assume fremm), you all think get approval from mbda & Nato ah...
we know got 300km missile export restriction but no means can't sell, just need special approval.

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post Sep 12 2014, 08:09 PM

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Posted: 11 Sep 2014, 1515 hours (GMT +8)

Keel Laying for the RSN's First Littoral Mission Vessel

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Permanent Secretary (Defence) Mr Chan Yeng Kit (right) officiating at the Keel Laying Ceremony of the Republic of Singapore Navy's first Littoral Mission Vessel. On his right was Mr Ng Sing Chan, President of Singapore Technologies Marine Ltd.

The keel laying ceremony for the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN)'s first Littoral Mission Vessel (LMV) was held at Singapore Technologies Marine (ST Marine) in Jurong today. Permanent Secretary (Defence) Mr Chan Yeng Kit officiated at the ceremony. The keel laying of the first LMV marks another significant milestone for the RSN.

This LMV is the first of eight new LMVs to be built for the RSN by ST Marine, together with ST Electronics and DSO National Laboratories. The Defence Science and Technology Agency is the overall programme manager and systems integrator for the LMV programme.

The LMVs, to be equipped with advanced combat systems, will be highly versatile and capable of embarking on various mission modules to fulfil a full spectrum of operations. To enable enhanced operational efficiency with a leaner crew size, cutting-edge technologies and innovative concepts have been integrated into the design of the LMVs.

The LMVs will replace the existing Fearless-class Patrol Vessels, which have served the RSN well for close to 20 years. The addition of the LMVs to the RSN will enhance the capabilities of the RSN for the seaward defence of Singapore.


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post Sep 12 2014, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 12 2014, 09:36 PM)
luckily is lousy ship only
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lousy ship?
better study first,
This type of ship is exactly we also need asap,i event hope gov can consider buy 24 unit for use in patrol ESCCOM, south china sea and Malacca strait.
it just new trend design navy ship not for for war fighting, it specially design OPV for anti-Piracy, anti-narcotic, anti-Smuggling , anti-terrorism at sea, it happens now in south china sea and Malacca strait and also suitable use in Esccom.
80 meter ship,With advance radar, 2 RIB for fast boarding/insertion, event UAV heli or Unman boat,76mm navy, gun 25mm Typhoon navy gun, 2x 20mm navy gun, 2 x 12.7 mm navy gun, n 1150 tons with 30 navy personal and 30 Mission personal. design look like mini Gowind L'Adriod.

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post Sep 13 2014, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 12 2014, 09:36 PM)
luckily is lousy ship only
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Er.. patrol boat only, no need for fancy2 stuff
Got cannon & gun cukup la tu
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post Sep 13 2014, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 12 2014, 11:10 PM)
lousy ship?
better study first,
This type of ship is exactly we also need asap,i event hope gov can consider buy 24 unit for use in patrol ESCCOM, south china sea and Malacca strait. 
it just new trend design navy ship not for for war fighting, it specially design OPV for anti-Piracy, anti-narcotic, anti-Smuggling , anti-terrorism at sea, it happens now in south china sea and Malacca strait and also suitable use in Esccom.
80 meter ship,With advance radar, 2 RIB for fast boarding/insertion, event UAV heli or Unman boat,76mm navy, gun 25mm Typhoon navy gun, 2x 20mm navy gun, 2 x 12.7 mm navy gun, n 1150 tons  with 30 navy personal and 30 Mission personal. design look like mini Gowind L'Adriod.

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24 units? shocking.gif msia gomen kena toto?
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post Sep 13 2014, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 13 2014, 12:40 AM)
24 units?  shocking.gif  msia gomen kena toto?
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just patrol gun boat, not that expensive. expected USD 100 million + each. (just built in s'pore) not local built.

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post Sep 13 2014, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 13 2014, 12:50 AM)
just patrol gun boat, not that expensive. expected USD 100 million + each. (just built in s'pore) not local built.
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macam pergi pasar beli sayor..
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post Sep 13 2014, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 13 2014, 01:01 AM)
macam pergi pasar beli sayor..
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beli patrol boat like that loh, tak mahal. boleh dapat dengan cepat.
tapi sebab gov semua mahu local built , jadi semua ship jadi mahal-mahal and lambat-lambat
actually Australia Armidale/cape Class Patrol Boat also ok cost only usd 50 million each.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 12 2014, 11:10 PM)
lousy ship?
better study first,
This type of ship is exactly we also need asap,i event hope gov can consider buy 24 unit for use in patrol ESCCOM, south china sea and Malacca strait. 
it just new trend design navy ship not for for war fighting, it specially design OPV for anti-Piracy, anti-narcotic, anti-Smuggling , anti-terrorism at sea, it happens now in south china sea and Malacca strait and also suitable use in Esccom.
80 meter ship,With advance radar, 2 RIB for fast boarding/insertion, event UAV heli or Unman boat,76mm navy, gun 25mm Typhoon navy gun, 2x 20mm navy gun, 2 x 12.7 mm navy gun, n 1150 tons  with 30 navy personal and 30 Mission personal. design look like mini Gowind L'Adriod.

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We need fac more than ever.
250 tonnage - 600 tonnage should be ideal for us to operates at silu sea.

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We need fac more than ever.
250 tonnage - 600 tonnage should be ideal for us to operates at silu sea.
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just example design we need patrol boat ....small to a bit bugger also can, not only esccom, also in south china sea & Malacca strait.
FAC other roll ship, we also needed, if budget issue, i really prefer patrol boat first. too many criminal in sea now.

if notice in photo also top model is FAC version with Harphoon 8x, ESSM missile。

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post Sep 13 2014, 06:18 PM

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Garuda Shield 2014.

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An AH-64E Apache Guardian from 1st Armed Reconnaissance Battalion, 25th Aviation Regiment, 25th Combat Aviation Brigade, 25th Infantry Division, and a Mi-35 Attack Helicopter from 31st Squadron, Tentara Nasional Indonesia Angkatan Darat, take off for a flight together during an attack/reconnaissance training mission in Semarang, Indonesia, Sept. 9. The training is part of Garuda Shield 2014, where units from United States Army Pacific are focusing on peace support training capacity and stability operations with the TNI-AD. (U.S. Army photo courtesy of 25th Combat Aviation Brigade)


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Published: Saturday September 13, 2014 MYT 12:00:00 AM
Updated: Saturday September 13, 2014 MYT 8:31:30 AM

Where M’sian Top Guns are trained

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Flight instructor Major Rose Adrianna checking a training plane with her student.
 
IT COULD be the look of an aerodynamic shape, or simply the engineering marvel that keeps a young boy’s eyes glued to the aircraft that speeds through the runway before lift-off.

But for air force Major Saravanasennan R. Veerasennan, who had his sight fixated on becoming a pilot, his interest was to fly the aircraft.

Today, not only is he a pilot, but he is also an instructor of military pilots.

“I have always been a passionate student of science, particularly aircraft and rocket-related technologies,” he told StarMetro.

Recollecting his younger days, he said he was selected as one of 60 cadet officer candidates after a stringent selection process of more than a thousand candidates to the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) College in Alor Setar in 1997 as the first step to realise his dream.

After graduating with a diploma in aeronautical engineering, the next phase of challenge began where he put his knowledge to test and his hand to the yoke, or known as a control column used to piloting fixed-wing aircraft in the No 1 Flying Training Centre (1 FTC) or known as PULATIBANG 1 among the military fraternity.

Known as the “home where Malaysia’s military pilots are born”, the centre celebrated its golden jubilee on Aug 23.

Air Force Chief General Tan Sri Rodzali Daud congratulated the pioneers of the flying school who had grown it to what it was today.

“I am proud that the school has passed the test of time and raised to a respected level of capability, professionalism and readiness of what we witness today,” he said.

After relocating from Kuala Lumpur to the RMAF Base in Alor Setar in 1964, the early days of the centre was mainly staffed with officers seconded from the Royal Air Force from England.

Captain John F. Woodard (Rtd), the first commanding officer (CO) from July 1, 1964 to Jan 1, 1966, who was present at the event, shared his experience of Malaysian hospitality and its determined pioneers to build the centre.

“I remember being invited to the officers’ weddings. It is an eye opener to see the different cultures and how different races hold their weddings,” he said, proud to see how the place had grown.

Former RMAF chief air vice-marshal (Rtd) Tan Sri Sulaiman Sujak said he knew he was groomed to be a Malaysian air force chief.

“I need people to believe that they are in a professional air force, and are passionate that we will succeed,” he said in an interview.

Since the first Chipmunk training aircraft seconded from RAF, the RMAF has since purchased various training aircrafts, including the Piston Provost, Bulldog 100, Dove, Cessna 402B, Aerotiga MD3, Pilatus PC-7 to current model, the Pilatus PC-7 MK II.

Rodzali said there were plans to add five more planes by year-end.

The centre would also train more instructors locally.

“Since 1966, 1,200 pilots have graduated from here. This include pilots for other services, namely the army, navy and also pilots from foreign air forces such as Bangladeshi Air Force and Indonesian Air Force” said Rodzali.

The pilots would then further their training in different squadrons that operated various planes, from transport aircraft, fighters to helicopters.

Rodzali further added that the challenges for the air force in the 21st century were unpredictable and military campaigns demanded an agile air force that is capable of conducting a wide range of military operations in various dimensions, from peace time and conflict, local or abroad and conventional or unconventional warfare.

Current CO Colonel Yee Yit Hong said the instructors evaluated their students, not just from the flying perspective, but also their social and psychology among other aspects.

He added that knowledge, skill and attitude remained key elements of what made a professional RMAF pilot.

“We maintain stringent standards and at the same time do our best to understand the student as a whole and go all out to assist them to the best of our ability,” he concluded.


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post Sep 13 2014, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 13 2014, 10:19 AM)
Impossible la.. U think najib wan buy made in singapore products??
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why not, our submarine rescue ship made made in singapore.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 13 2014, 10:19 AM)
Impossible la.. U think najib wan buy made in singapore products??
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najib very fren wif lee jr. also singkie defence companies know how 2 give angpow... 2 big point
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The air force pilots are the most glamorous in the military

these people sitting on chariots that can rain death on the enemy

Radio in for airstrike when things gets hot on the ground and the enemy gets bombed
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Japanese submarine purchase would be historic and controversial

Australia’s move towards buying up to 12 Japanese Soryu submarines represents a historic and deeply controversial shift in national defence and military acquisition policy.

If, as seems increasingly likely, political and industry leaders in Tokyo and Canberra can agree on terms, the Japanese submarines would be Australia’s first major strategic defence procurement from an Asian power and would significantly boost the country’s regional maritime power.

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We should get a couple of this subs. It's a long endurance SSK which mean's we can park one of this outside of Chinese ports.

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