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how come put world champion again???
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World Champion again next year!! I would like to see that!!
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of course...next yr we do want it back to mclaren..so, the management pls think wisely choosing the drivers...
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To threadstarter, your topic kinda mislead la...."World Champion again "
 maybe you can change it to "Next season possible World Champion"  |
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Choosing drivers? I think Mr.Dennis should be wise enough not to lose a few more key technical ppl in the team.. He shd think wisely..
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Aug 25 2006, 12:44 AM) Choosing drivers? I think Mr.Dennis should be wise enough not to lose a few more key technical ppl in the team.. He shd think wisely.. ya...then make sure those who are still in the team is good enough to produce a good aero efficient car since no more engine development This post has been edited by jiunkei_46: Aug 25 2006, 12:47 AM |
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QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Aug 25 2006, 12:44 AM) To threadstarter, your topic kinda mislead la...."World Champion again " If "Next season...."..just next season? maybe you can change it to "Next season possible World Champion" If "World Champion Again"...can be used anytime. It can be referred either as a mission or as an event that has happened  |
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QUOTE(jiunkei_46 @ Aug 25 2006, 12:46 AM) ya...then make sure those who are still in the team is good enough to produce a good aero efficient car since no more engine development donno untill when mclaren can catch up the pace,haha  |
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Aug 25 2006, 02:36 AM
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QUOTE (Peter Windsor – F1 Racing) Kimi, I’m sure you’re aware that, as a result of the seventeen laps you led in Hungary, McLaren Mercedes, for the first time this year, have now led more racing laps than the Mercedes safety car driven by Bernd Maylander. I just wonder how you see that battle developing in the remaining races and how strong McLaren will be versus the safety car? This is wut i saw from the press conference release in F1 racing live.com prior to this weekend's race...they are comparing the safety car and MP4-21 on who has led the race more..hahaKR: Hopefully we can beat them. At least it’s the same company so it doesn’t really matter but we will see what happens. |
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QUOTE(jiunkei_46 @ Aug 25 2006, 02:36 AM) This is wut i saw from the press conference release in F1 racing live.com prior to this weekend's race...they are comparing the safety car and MP4-21 on who has led the race more..haha ouch!! I bet Kimi gave that famous smirk when commenting on that  |
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Aug 25 2006, 10:16 AM
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not yet WC then put WC
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Aug 25 2006, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Aug 25 2006, 10:16 AM) not yet WC then put WC that's why i think la....but sadly threadstarter doesn't agree to change it counting your eggs before they hatch?  |
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Aug 25 2006, 11:45 AM
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wakakakaka @ tred starters.hahaha i no u r damn famous in world cup tred.
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Aug 25 2006, 12:27 PM
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Somehow, I don't feel like posting here anymore after reading teh title.....
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Aug 25 2006, 12:30 PM
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be more optimistic McLaren fans
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McLaren has always been one of the champions no doubt about that and since then Formula has been dominated by 3 or 4 teams only....And other than those 4 Teams, the others are not worth mentioning....
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Aug 25 2006, 12:55 PM
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meh, you seem to forgot the legacy of Colin Chapman and the Lotus team. yes, the team have died, but without them, there will be no F1 cars that shape like these today. Lotus ARE worth mentioning.
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Aug 25 2006, 12:55 PM) meh, you seem to forgot the legacy of Colin Chapman and the Lotus team. yes, the team have died, but without them, there will be no F1 cars that shape like these today. Lotus ARE worth mentioning. I didnt forget nor even think of mentioning Lotus or Brabum because they weren't here anymore....  |
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Aug 25 2006, 01:15 PM
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sad to see two of the best team dissappearing because of money problem. I also miss uncle ken of Tyrell too. his cars was always revolutionary.
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Aug 25 2006, 02:12 PM
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Aug 25 2006, 03:19 PM
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maybe McLaren needs more budget.
The last time I heard Ferrari spent USD300 million for development. But since the new rule and everything as well as the new rule on engine development...the budget must be a bit low now. Kimi got pole twice consecutively in Germany and Hungary. Looks like McLaren are back. Hope got the 3rd one in Turkey. But still lack of straight line speed compare to Ferrari. Wonder how fast they go against Renault for that matter. Also, how they cope with Bridgestone next season. |
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Aug 25 2006, 03:19 PM) maybe McLaren needs more budget. Budget would be no problem for McLaren....what they short of is geniuses and good feedbacks....Untill those 2 feedbacks can be solved, you wont see a bulletproof McLaren just yet.... The last time I heard Ferrari spent USD300 million for development. But since the new rule and everything as well as the new rule on engine development...the budget must be a bit low now. Kimi got pole twice consecutively in Germany and Hungary. Looks like McLaren are back. Hope got the 3rd one in Turkey. But still lack of straight line speed compare to Ferrari. Wonder how fast they go against Renault for that matter. Also, how they cope with Bridgestone next season. The only strongest point of McLaren is at high downforce high/low speed cornering but short in acceleration and top speed...For instance Monaco this year....Alonso was trying to run away but Kimi just stayed behind him like glue....Renault are weak at that kinda race track...Same as Canada... |
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Aug 25 2006, 11:47 PM
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McLaren budget and Ferrari almost the same right?
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Aug 25 2006, 11:47 PM) McLaren budget and Ferrari almost the same right? The amount I don't know exactly how many millions they spent....but from the performance they are generating...it is not something that is weird considering McLaren is a rich team.... |
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Aug 26 2006, 12:52 AM
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check out Mercedes Benz's factory...so neat.
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Aug 26 2006, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Aug 26 2006, 12:52 AM) check out Mercedes Benz's factory...so neat. alahhh..this particular pictures is taken when they already know when will the photographer come to take pictures....when normal time...a mess also.... Now that's how a world class cars being made. |
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Aug 26 2006, 01:13 AM
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actually Ron demands a clean workplace..u can dl some videos from mclaren website regarding the Mclaren Technology Center..its tidy and u wont b able to find a screw on the floor or piece of paper on the floor.. its a great place..
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Aug 26 2006, 01:40 AM
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Wow
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QUOTE(jiunkei_46 @ Aug 26 2006, 01:13 AM) actually Ron demands a clean workplace..u can dl some videos from mclaren website regarding the Mclaren Technology Center..its tidy and u wont b able to find a screw on the floor or piece of paper on the floor.. its a great place.. I bet it was also cleaned up when they know Ron is at the office... QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Aug 26 2006, 01:40 AM) Wow Proton factory or service center at the Shah Alam plant is quite neat actually.... ...the interior of that workshop is dam neat , clean and beautiful. No doubts Mercedes is 1 of the leading automotive industry in the world. I think Proton should set them as their example. |
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Aug 26 2006, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(jiunkei_46 @ Aug 26 2006, 01:13 AM) actually Ron demands a clean workplace..u can dl some videos from mclaren website regarding the Mclaren Technology Center..its tidy and u wont b able to find a screw on the floor or piece of paper on the floor.. its a great place.. Malaysia are WAY behind.Rather buy a used foreign car rather than buy a new Malaysian cars no offence though. |
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Aug 26 2006, 03:22 PM
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Budget iwse, Ferrari is unbeatable. Phillip Morris will pump in money that many teams dream of. But Macca is not to be toyed. We stole Alonso from under Briatore's nose and Vodafone from Ferrari
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mclaren needs more improvement for thier car,so uncompetitive
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Aug 27 2006, 09:39 PM
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sad to see Kimi out so earlier ...
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Aug 27 2006, 09:40 PM
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bad luck on Kimi for this race.
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this season very less see kimi on track..always early retirement or nth spectacular finishes a race
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Aug 27 2006, 10:16 PM
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haih.so bad luck 4 past year winner.
 what he can do 2 help the championship now is ferrari must offer kimi 2 bang alonso out of the last 4 races b4 being given the seat 2 drive 4 ferrari. |
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Aug 27 2006, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Aug 27 2006, 10:16 PM) haih.so bad luck 4 past year winner. wow good idea what he can do 2 help the championship now is ferrari must offer kimi 2 bang alonso out of the last 4 races b4 being given the seat 2 drive 4 ferrari. |
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Aug 27 2006, 11:43 PM
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calm and friendly comment by Kimi after he DNF.
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Aug 27 2006, 11:47 PM
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Raikkonen next race i give you 10M you go kill alonso in car crash can ?
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Aug 28 2006, 01:02 AM
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haiya...y he crash..waste mclaren money only...i sure ron dennis fed up wif him liao coz kimi's heart in ferrari already n he no longer hv heart to race...some more,wanna bang the car..aduh...
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Aug 28 2006, 01:02 AM) haiya...y he crash..waste mclaren money only...i sure ron dennis fed up wif him liao coz kimi's heart in ferrari already n he no longer hv heart to race...some more,wanna bang the car..aduh... It's unlikely Kimi did that on purpose.QUOTE Kimi Raikkonen Source:"It got very messy at the start. I tried to avoid a spinning Fisichella, but then Speed hit my left rear tyre causing a puncture. I drove for almost a whole lap with a damaged tyre in order to get back to the pits to see what could be done. The team changed my tyre, but I think the car must have incurred quite a lot of damage at this point. When I re-joined the race, I came into Turn 4, had no rear end grip, got sideways, ran out of road, hit the tyre wall and that was it. My back is a bit sore but nothing to worry about. I'm obviously disappointed that my race was over so quickly, but there was nothing we could do. http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/headlines/...827448.shtml This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Aug 28 2006, 01:11 AM |
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Aug 28 2006, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(viNcee @ Aug 28 2006, 01:15 AM) ^ me too.damn, was i worried when kimi took his time to get out of the car. i thought he sustained some serious injury or something. QUOTE Ron Dennis "Pedro drove a very good race, using our one-stop strategy to achieve a solid fifth position. Kimi's accident was the result of Fisichella's incident at the start which led to Speed hitting Kimi from behind, damaging his left rear tyre. The subsequent tyre failure damaged the bodywork, as Kimi was making his way back to the pits. This changed the aerodynamic characteristics of the car and on re-joining the race Kimi ran wide at Turn 4. The impact jolted his back, but our team doctor is optimistic that Kimi will be able to test as planned at Monza this week." Source: http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/headlines/...827448.shtml |
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Aug 28 2006, 01:02 AM) haiya...y he crash..waste mclaren money only...i sure ron dennis fed up wif him liao coz kimi's heart in ferrari already n he no longer hv heart to race...some more,wanna bang the car..aduh... nv md what.ferrari will give mclaren conpensation if kimi can kamikaze DNF alonso 4 all remaining races n help ferrari win the title back. |
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Aug 28 2006, 03:13 AM
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when kimi starts from the middle of the pack sure got knocked out by other cars..this time he was avoiding the collision then got bang from the back..hiez..he's really a no lucker..
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Aug 28 2006, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Aug 28 2006, 02:26 AM) nv md what.ferrari will give mclaren conpensation if kimi can kamikaze DNF alonso 4 all remaining races n help ferrari win the title back. Less likely to happen as McLaren is head to head with Ferrari. Every1 knows that. Ron had also implied that they will help Alonso to win the title THIS year With things going Alonso's way. He just need to finish 2nd for the remaining 4 races to clinch the title. If he did, his is a darn lucky guy. Anyway, I must admit that he did a good job yesterday by fending off MS. Dont get me wrong. Aint his fan. |
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Aug 28 2006, 11:11 AM
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I am. Mass Damper? what Mass Damper? Alonso drove like he's on fire yesterday.
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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Aug 28 2006, 02:26 AM) nv md what.ferrari will give mclaren conpensation if kimi can kamikaze DNF alonso 4 all remaining races n help ferrari win the title back. Kimi won't do such things. It's not like he can go to NASCAR to avoid punishment QUOTE(jiunkei_46 @ Aug 28 2006, 03:13 AM) when kimi starts from the middle of the pack sure got knocked out by other cars..this time he was avoiding the collision then got bang from the back..hiez..he's really a no lucker.. That's why pole is critical.A very alert driving by Kimi. Stupid Speed..keep your distance la  |
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Aug 28 2006, 01:07 PM
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Really unlucky for Kimi again yesterday
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Aug 28 2006, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Aug 28 2006, 01:07 PM) Really unlucky for Kimi again yesterday De La Rosa is a fine driver.De La Rosa saves the day for Mclaren with points again alone Only a bit bad in qualifying. I guess he got lucky out of the incident at turn 1...2nd in a row now |
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Aug 28 2006, 01:13 PM
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Well, motor racing does involves luck too
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Aug 28 2006, 09:16 PM
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Kimi is luckless!! Poor old Kimi!! Pedro DLR has much better luck and he did much better than Kimi even though his skills are not so good.
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Aug 29 2006, 09:37 AM
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kimi has been no luck all these years...having the best car last yr cant win..this yr, cant qualify in the middle of the pack, sure knocked out..hiez.
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Aug 29 2006, 11:15 AM
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Best car last year? That car is quick but unreliable with so many mechanical issue. They got off a slow start last year. Else...........
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kimi overtaking skill is superb..
but he seems to get himself into trouble quite often.... technical prb, car breakdown, got himself bang, n bang on other oso....haih... hope his luck will be better when he's at ferrari next season... can't wait to c him in podium again... |
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Aug 29 2006, 01:00 PM) kimi overtaking skill is superb.. even better...he will win the WDC with Ferrari.but he seems to get himself into trouble quite often.... technical prb, car breakdown, got himself bang, n bang on other oso....haih... hope his luck will be better when he's at ferrari next season... can't wait to c him in podium again... I'm confident of that. If Massa..a so so driver can get podium...imagine what Kimi can do. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Aug 29 2006, 02:10 PM |
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Aug 29 2006, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Aug 29 2006, 02:09 PM) even better...he will win the WDC with Ferrari. yup....all u need is a reliable n fast car....I'm confident of that. If Massa..a so so driver can get podium...imagine what Kimi can do. after ms retired, is kimi's era... really love 2 c his cool expression.....but will definately miss ms broad smile... This post has been edited by Amanda85: Aug 29 2006, 02:28 PM |
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ehhh massa is also quite a good driver also.
 Just that he is a second driver ... Being a second driver in ferrari always sucks. Kimi has some bad luck God following him everytime ... LOL XD |
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Aug 29 2006, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(SeeD @ Aug 29 2006, 03:08 PM) ehhh massa is also quite a good driver also. i like massa too.... Just that he is a second driver ... Being a second driver in ferrari always sucks. Kimi has some bad luck God following him everytime ... LOL XD but when being compare wit kimi...ofcoz kimi is better... massa still need time to improve on his overtaking skill.... now he only could do it clean when he's being in front position... kimi hd lotsa bad luck, not some... This post has been edited by Amanda85: Aug 29 2006, 03:20 PM |
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Aug 29 2006, 03:43 PM
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hahhah everytime when i see the chart, when kimi is not at the front lines. I'll say "hell kimi has retired" and out of 10 times, 6 times im correct LOL XD
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Aug 29 2006, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(SeeD @ Aug 29 2006, 03:43 PM) hahhah everytime when i see the chart, when kimi is not at the front lines. I'll say "hell kimi has retired" and out of 10 times, 6 times im correct LOL XD haha...yeah..his retiring rate is veli high... |
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Aug 30 2006, 02:47 PM
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If I recall correctly if Michael calls it quits at Ferarri, it is rumored that ALOT of engineers, mechanics are leaving as well, take this with a grain of salt, even Ross Brawn is considering taking either a sabbatical or retirement. Just imagine what this will do to Kimi's chances of winning a WDC with Ferarri if that happens.If this is all heresay and conjecture then thats cool, as Kimi will be with a team that has the most data on Bridgestone tyres, that alone could win him his first WDC. However I also would like to see both he and Alonso race together in the same car, we all know both are talented drivers,anyway Monza is drawing near, Ferarri will announce their driver lineup for 2007, anyone taking wagers on that one ? :-p
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QUOTE(praetorian @ Aug 30 2006, 02:47 PM) If I recall correctly if Michael calls it quits at Ferarri, it is rumored that ALOT of engineers, mechanics are leaving as well, take this with a grain of salt, even Ross Brawn is considering taking either a sabbatical or retirement. Just imagine what this will do to Kimi's chances of winning a WDC with Ferarri if that happens.If this is all heresay and conjecture then thats cool, as Kimi will be with a team that has the most data on Bridgestone tyres, that alone could win him his first WDC. However I also would like to see both he and Alonso race together in the same car, we all know both are talented drivers,anyway Monza is drawing near, Ferarri will announce their driver lineup for 2007, anyone taking wagers on that one ? :-p i think kimi n alonso driver skill is same same onli la...but i really kenot tahan d way alonso behave,....he'll ruined my ferrari reputation... |
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QUOTE(praetorian @ Aug 30 2006, 02:47 PM) If I recall correctly if Michael calls it quits at Ferarri, it is rumored that ALOT of engineers, mechanics are leaving as well, take this with a grain of salt, even Ross Brawn is considering taking either a sabbatical or retirement. Just imagine what this will do to Kimi's chances of winning a WDC with Ferarri if that happens.If this is all heresay and conjecture then thats cool, as Kimi will be with a team that has the most data on Bridgestone tyres, that alone could win him his first WDC. However I also would like to see both he and Alonso race together in the same car, we all know both are talented drivers,anyway Monza is drawing near, Ferarri will announce their driver lineup for 2007, anyone taking wagers on that one ? :-p maybe the engineers and mechanics fled...but Ferrari's hardwares and tech. stays. |
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Aug 30 2006, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Aug 30 2006, 06:37 PM) maybe the engineers and mechanics fled...but Ferrari's hardwares and tech. stays. but without the proper people that has the talent to continue research and development to push ferrari forward how far can kimi and the team go? maybe for the next 3 seasons while the engine development freeze is in effect but what happens after that?perhaps ferrari will be able to recruit the necessary talent required in that 3 years time but we'll just have to wait and see about that i guess |
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Aug 31 2006, 12:42 AM
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well success takes time 2 build.if ferrari can build the class of 2000 on time,i m sure the team can do the same 4 the new driver.
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Aug 31 2006, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE(viNcee @ Aug 30 2006, 07:19 PM) but without the proper people that has the talent to continue research and development to push ferrari forward how far can kimi and the team go? maybe for the next 3 seasons while the engine development freeze is in effect but what happens after that? Ferrari has been in F1 since like...forever.perhaps ferrari will be able to recruit the necessary talent required in that 3 years time but we'll just have to wait and see about that i guess I think you are underestimating Ferrari by making that statement. They are the most successful F1 team in history. Those success does not come easy. I think Ferrari are well prepared about the problem about their mechanics and engineers leaving the team. Of all the other teams this season, only Ferrari were able to match Renault's performance in a short period of time...better now they won the last 3 out of 4 races. Even McLaren were so slow doing that  "Goyang kaki" ke? QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Aug 31 2006, 12:42 AM) well success takes time 2 build.if ferrari can build the class of 2000 on time,i m sure the team can do the same 4 the new driver. Exactly my point |
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Aug 31 2006, 09:39 AM
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when will ferrari annouce their driver line-up?
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Aug 31 2006, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Aug 31 2006, 02:14 AM) Ferrari has been in F1 since like...forever. the whole reason they were able to bounce back so fast this season is because they have all those talented and skilled engineers. so what happens when most of them are gone? the problem now is with human resources and sometimes it's not just about hiring the best engineers out there but having a team which can work together.I think you are underestimating Ferrari by making that statement. They are the most successful F1 team in history. Those success does not come easy. I think Ferrari are well prepared about the problem about their mechanics and engineers leaving the team. Of all the other teams this season, only Ferrari were able to match Renault's performance in a short period of time...better now they won the last 3 out of 4 races. Even McLaren were so slow doing that "Goyang kaki" ke? not that i'm underestimating ferrari but none of us here know for sure whether ferrari are well prepared to handle their problem. maybe with ferrari's long experience in the field they know where to search for the right people. like i said, we can only wait and see mclaren forever slow wan la. took them so long to churn out a fast (but unreliable ) car also last year QUOTE(NiTRouSoXide @ Aug 31 2006, 09:39 AM) when will ferrari annouce their driver line-up? well according to this article it will be at monzaQUOTE Ferrari refusing to give Schumi more time Tuesday August 29 2006 Ferrari have denied Michael Schumacher's request for more time and are insisting that he lets them know prior to the Italian GP what his plans are for next year. Schumacher's current Ferrari contract expires at the end of this season, however, the German has yet to decide if he wants to continue racing in 2007 or retire. And according to his manager, Willi Weber, Ferrari's insistance on announcing their driver line-up at next weekend's Italian GP is putting undo pressure on Schumacher. "They should let him decide in peace by waiting until the end of the season," Weber told Sport-Informations-Diens. However, Ferrari are refusing to wait any longer for Schumacher to decide. "We will definitely announce our driver pairing for 2007 in Monza," a Ferrari spokesman told GMM news agency. source: www.planet-f1.com This post has been edited by viNcee: Aug 31 2006, 01:02 PM |
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Aug 31 2006, 02:12 PM
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Ferrari is cld be the most successful F1 team of all time. But, it is also full of controversy too. Illegal testing is annoying of all when they are not in winning form. Not forgetting the preferential treatment from Bridgestone
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Aug 31 2006, 04:23 PM
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i think mclaren having a bad result recently becoz the aerodynamic designer run to red bull already.... correct me if i was wrong
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Aug 31 2006, 11:01 PM
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yeah adrian newey is out of the team
so lets say if ferrari mechanics all gone with MS dunno how the team will perform nx season |
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Sep 1 2006, 12:01 AM
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QUOTE Tuesday August 29 2006 Ferrari have denied Michael Schumacher's request for more time and are insisting that he lets them know prior to the Italian GP what his plans are for next year. Schumacher's current Ferrari contract expires at the end of this season, however, the German has yet to decide if he wants to continue racing in 2007 or retire. And according to his manager, Willi Weber, Ferrari's insistance on announcing their driver line-up at next weekend's Italian GP is putting undo pressure on Schumacher. "They should let him decide in peace by waiting until the end of the season," Weber told Sport-Informations-Diens. However, Ferrari are refusing to wait any longer for Schumacher to decide. "We will definitely announce our driver pairing for 2007 in Monza," a Ferrari spokesman told GMM news agency. this is all for the sake of the team,if m.shumacher decided to retire at the end of this season,maybe ferrari first choice driver kimi raikkonen will leave mclaren for renault already,or choose to stay at mclaren,ferrari hav to do it earlier |
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Sep 1 2006, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 31 2006, 02:12 PM) Ferrari is cld be the most successful F1 team of all time. But, it is also full of controversy too. Illegal testing is annoying of all when they are not in winning form. Not forgetting the preferential treatment from Bridgestone Agree.Well, those road Ferrari cars were so d*mn expensive and luxurious. That's how they finance their F1 team. Worked at a pump station once. Fuelled up a red Ferrari Testarossa. The car was so low to the ground...I guess there's downforce right there. Made for speed. QUOTE(NiTRouSoXide @ Sep 1 2006, 12:01 AM) this is all for the sake of the team,if m.shumacher decided to retire at the end of this season,maybe ferrari first choice driver kimi raikkonen will leave mclaren for renault already,or choose to stay at mclaren,ferrari hav to do it earlier asik Ferrari saja when will McLaren announce their drivers for 2007? |
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Sep 1 2006, 11:07 AM
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Need to clarify 1 thing. Please change the thread title as McLaren is no longer known as the "West McLaren Mercedes" but as "Team McLaren Mercedes". Also, next season it is "Vodafone McLaren Mercedes".
Newey designed this season's car before he went to RedBUll as his contract ended in April |
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Sep 1 2006, 12:34 PM
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i think alonso's car hav prob..... stil not tat stable...... but ferrari car are in good shape now.... so not much to worry... jus luck... hope no safety car come out when both ferrari are 1-2
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Sep 1 2006, 06:59 PM
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Bro jackygwh, u got in the wrong section
McLaren Mercedes here. We hope 1-2 and not Ferrari in this thread. |
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Sep 2 2006, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Sep 1 2006, 06:59 PM) Bro jackygwh, u got in the wrong section McLaren Mercedes here. We hope 1-2 and not Ferrari in this thread. exactly. a few Ferrari fans lost their way a bit Ferrari thread is just around the corner |
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Sep 2 2006, 01:17 AM
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mclaren lost a bit of gear this season...don't worry,sure win next year...
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Sep 2 2006, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Sep 1 2006, 06:59 PM) Bro jackygwh, u got in the wrong section McLaren Mercedes here. We hope 1-2 and not Ferrari in this thread. oh yea ......... sorry sorry..... forgot heh  QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 2 2006, 12:55 AM) exactly. a few Ferrari fans lost their way a bit Ferrari thread is just around the corner masuk wrong house i support McLaren also...... but they stil hav a long way to go.... strong team but really sad to see kimi always start pole and finished at DNF car not stable.... skill stable This post has been edited by Jackygwh: Sep 2 2006, 08:56 AM |
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Sep 2 2006, 01:23 PM
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McLaren are well known for their reliability issues...when will it be over?
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Sep 2 2006, 11:00 PM
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Not really. Just only the recent years. They did dominate F1 during Mika era.
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Sep 3 2006, 02:23 AM
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too many changes in the technical staffs might have coz so much trouble to the car..slow improvements and least effective aero..
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Sep 3 2006, 06:57 PM
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And due to the erratic Mr.Dennis, the technical staffs always change. Just take a look at the car nose design..They changed to slim aligator style a couple of years ago. A whole buch of gremlins appeared. Then, change to wide nose again (almost won) and then, back to aligator style again this year. At the launch of this year's machine, I already know McLaren is going to wait for another year to challenge for the crown. That design simply doesn't work!!
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Sep 3 2006, 10:28 PM
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they better get things done if not might b suffering, might end up dunno where
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Sep 4 2006, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 3 2006, 06:57 PM) And due to the erratic Mr.Dennis, the technical staffs always change. Just take a look at the car nose design..They changed to slim aligator style a couple of years ago. A whole buch of gremlins appeared. Then, change to wide nose again (almost won) and then, back to aligator style again this year. At the launch of this year's machine, I already know McLaren is going to wait for another year to challenge for the crown. That design simply doesn't work!! Nice info.What's wrong with those people at McLaren huh? Ego? Too much pride? Gambling with the team like that Are they in F1 racing or "who has the best designation of an F1 car? QUOTE(jiunkei_46 @ Sep 3 2006, 10:28 PM) they better get things done if not might b suffering, might end up dunno where In the beginning of each season, I'm always hoping to see McLaren fly and showedtheir warning to other teams. But... When will this nightmare gonna be over? This years car is a beauty...performance...suxx...big time. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 4 2006, 07:14 AM |
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Sep 4 2006, 12:05 PM
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I just don't get it.. You see sometimes McLarens are so good and then, they flop the year after. After that, they come back into play again. Very flambuoyant. Somehow I think they are a big team but they do not know how to capitalise on their resources such as money and skills. They hv abundance of sponsors but they do not spend more on researches. There is another factor though... the politics in F1 and FIA. Sincerely, I felt the two parties are more Ferrari (specifically, M.Schumacher) sided. We hv seen too many things where the two old men doing things in favour of the Italian team. This is such a big hindrance for McLaren to win!!
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 3 2006, 06:57 PM) And due to the erratic Mr.Dennis, the technical staffs always change. Just take a look at the car nose design..They changed to slim aligator style a couple of years ago. A whole buch of gremlins appeared. Then, change to wide nose again (almost won) and then, back to aligator style again this year. At the launch of this year's machine, I already know McLaren is going to wait for another year to challenge for the crown. That design simply doesn't work!! Ron Dennis might have taken his eye of the ball sometimes but this is still a guy responsible for McLaren dominance in the 80's with Senna and Prost as well as the late 90's with Mika. McLaren has never been shy to try innovative designs and sometimes it will bite us in the ass. To criticise Ron, the change of technical staff, the car design, etc just shows how clueless u r. The FIA changes rules every season and the team that reacts best to the changes will end up as the frontrunner of that season. This is a sport where even a 0.01% difference could mean u finish as runner-up rather than championsQUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 4 2006, 12:05 PM) I just don't get it.. You see sometimes McLarens are so good and then, they flop the year after. After that, they come back into play again. Very flambuoyant. Somehow I think they are a big team but they do not know how to capitalise on their resources such as money and skills. They hv abundance of sponsors but they do not spend more on researches. There is another factor though... the politics in F1 and FIA. Sincerely, I felt the two parties are more Ferrari (specifically, M.Schumacher) sided. We hv seen too many things where the two old men doing things in favour of the Italian team. This is such a big hindrance for McLaren to win!! There is no foundation in accusations of the FIA being biased as the reason why we haven't been consistently winning. Our time will come don't worry. I have no doubt about it. |
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Sep 4 2006, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 4 2006, 02:00 PM) Ron Dennis might have taken his eye of the ball sometimes but this is still a guy responsible for McLaren dominance in the 80's with Senna and Prost as well as the late 90's with Mika. McLaren has never been shy to try innovative designs and sometimes it will bite us in the ass. To criticise Ron, the change of technical staff, the car design, etc just shows how clueless u r. The FIA changes rules every season and the team that reacts best to the changes will end up as the frontrunner of that season. This is a sport where even a 0.01% difference could mean u finish as runner-up rather than championsThere is no foundation in accusations of the FIA being biased as the reason why we haven't been consistently winning. Our time will come don't worry. I have no doubt about it. Both were busy racing each other. No one seems to noticed other drivers It's like both of them were the only contenders for the world title. Honestly, I would not call the win by Mika in the late 90's as a dominance. Quite lucky though...just a few points shy to the 2nd place driver. Michael broke his leg and all. But still a history. No doubt though Mika was a fine F1 driver Kimi will be like that and maybe more after he passed the 30 years age. The older you get, the more mature you'll become. Can't forget the challenge he gave to Montoya in a Williams. Kimi always aggressive but always smart too and he knows when to yield. Even if he needs to lock up his front wheel. Gifted racer. Kimi Raikkonen Vs JP Montoya |
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Sep 4 2006, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 4 2006, 02:33 PM) The only clear McLaren dominance was with Senna & Prost. yeah i agree with u that the late 90's wasn't really dominance. 98 was a dominant year for McLaren and if the FIA didn't ban the use of beryllium in engines i'm pretty sure things would been very differentBoth were busy racing each other. No one seems to noticed other drivers It's like both of them were the only contenders for the world title. Honestly, I would not call the win by Mika in the late 90's as a dominance. Quite lucky though...just a few points shy to the 2nd place driver. Michael broke his leg and all. But still a history. No doubt though Mika was a fine F1 driver Kimi will be like that and maybe more after he passed the 30 years age. The older you get, the more mature you'll become. Can't forget the challenge he gave to Montoya in a Williams. Kimi always aggressive but always smart too and he knows when to yield. Even if he needs to lock up his front wheel. Gifted racer. Kimi Raikkonen Vs JP Montoya |
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Sep 4 2006, 03:15 PM
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not many noticed it, but Ron has lead McLaren half of it's 40 years of existance, so never underestimate Ron Dennis.
Amazingly in '98 FIA has once shown that they can be just as cruel to McLaren as they did to Renault this season when they banned McLaren's revolutionary braking cooling system that they used in Australia. What was weird is that the reason it was banned is that many teams don't have the budget to develop that kind of system, which lead to these questions 1 - Don't every team try to outdo each other in development? why ban an item that a team has develop legally and within their own budget citing 'it's too expensive for other team'? 2 - The team that complained of the system was Ferrari, which also marks the first era of speculation that FIA and Ferrari was working together. Some great innovation that McLaren has introduced to the sports - Monocouque Chassis using Carbon Fibre - Rear Brake system - Zero keel - Barge Board - T wing - Side Chimney |
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Sep 4 2006, 11:37 PM
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Yeah.. You say I m clueless.. It is ok.. But why FIA sided Ferrari and Todt. Why not Mclaren and Dennis? What happened in the middle? Why Ferrari get all the benefits?
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Sep 5 2006, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 4 2006, 11:37 PM) Yeah.. You say I m clueless.. It is ok.. But why FIA sided Ferrari and Todt. Why not Mclaren and Dennis? What happened in the middle? Why Ferrari get all the benefits? explain how the FIA have sided with Ferrari and Todt and what benefits they are getting instead of just running your mouth saying things u heard from some other ppl rather than using your own brain |
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Sep 5 2006, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 4 2006, 03:15 PM) not many noticed it, but Ron has lead McLaren half of it's 40 years of existance, so never underestimate Ron Dennis. FIA makes me so sick.Amazingly in '98 FIA has once shown that they can be just as cruel to McLaren as they did to Renault this season when they banned McLaren's revolutionary braking cooling system that they used in Australia. What was weird is that the reason it was banned is that many teams don't have the budget to develop that kind of system, which lead to these questions 1 - Don't every team try to outdo each other in development? why ban an item that a team has develop legally and within their own budget citing 'it's too expensive for other team'? 2 - The team that complained of the system was Ferrari, which also marks the first era of speculation that FIA and Ferrari was working together. Some great innovation that McLaren has introduced to the sports - Monocouque Chassis using Carbon Fibre - Rear Brake system - Zero keel - Barge Board - T wing - Side Chimney Double standard Maybe all F1 teams should create another racing season. I bet Ferrari won't. They are the golden baby of FIA. |
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Sep 5 2006, 09:24 AM
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Preferential treatment. That's FIA.
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Sep 5 2006, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 5 2006, 01:06 AM) FIA makes me so sick. Yeah..You are rite.. very sick already.. The interest in watching F1 has decreased. The mass damper issue was the latest joke.. Double standard Maybe all F1 teams should create another racing season. I bet Ferrari won't. They are the golden baby of FIA. |
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 4 2006, 03:15 PM) not many noticed it, but Ron has lead McLaren half of it's 40 years of existance, so never underestimate Ron Dennis. Some teams do outdo other teams in development, its just that sometimes they are unlucky because the 'thing' that they created has some illegal contents with the FIA rules and regulations. But then certain teams just know how to make noise (Minardi- Stoddart era)Amazingly in '98 FIA has once shown that they can be just as cruel to McLaren as they did to Renault this season when they banned McLaren's revolutionary braking cooling system that they used in Australia. What was weird is that the reason it was banned is that many teams don't have the budget to develop that kind of system, which lead to these questions 1 - Don't every team try to outdo each other in development? why ban an item that a team has develop legally and within their own budget citing 'it's too expensive for other team'? 2 - The team that complained of the system was Ferrari, which also marks the first era of speculation that FIA and Ferrari was working together. Some great innovation that McLaren has introduced to the sports - Monocouque Chassis using Carbon Fibre - Rear Brake system - Zero keel - Barge Board - T wing - Side Chimney McLaren with their previous Technical Director (Adrian Newey) was a great combo and held many achievers back in 98 and 99....Since before he left the team, Newey was considered the 'guru' in aerodynamics, hence making him one of the most respectable aerodynamicist in his league (or even others). QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 5 2006, 01:06 AM) FIA makes me so sick. Formula 1 is the only 'it'.Double standard Maybe all F1 teams should create another racing season. I bet Ferrari won't. They are the golden baby of FIA. Other than that, the prestigeous of the race itself has its own value. Vehicle standards and design has always been comes from Formula one, and if the boycott even, there is no point since it is an established creme` la cremeria... QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 5 2006, 10:32 AM) Yeah..You are rite.. very sick already.. The interest in watching F1 has decreased. The mass damper issue was the latest joke.. FIA disregard of the Renaults mass damper issue, has always been a throwing stone icon towards them. Their view about Formula 1 is diffrent compared to ours (specatators). We like drivers shoving and bashing trying to fight for position but the FIA doesnt looks at it as entertaining. To them that kinda manuver is dangerous and cannot be tolerated. Hence the fine punishment was imposed to let drivers know that they are racing gentlemen'ly and not some punk who just got his licences two days ago. |
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Sep 6 2006, 09:13 AM
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well, truth be told, If it was not for that Senna incident in '94, the rules was not this strict. the irony was that the drivers association was dreamt by senna after the death of Roland Ratzenberger the day before. He told Prost that he was tired of the danger that the drivers are going through. The most ironic thing was that now it is lead by Schumacher.... not that I have anything against him, but his move to damage Hill's car in Adelaide seems like a joke to Senna's memory during his year of death.
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Sep 6 2006, 10:09 AM
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Well, certainly I hope McLarens will improve in Italy.. Monza is a circuit technically for high speed. McLarens do not seem to have enough power in straight line but I hope they have improved on that. If not, we won't be able to see them giving a good fight with Ferrari, Renault and Honda.
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Sep 6 2006, 10:11 AM
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I doubt that. the only time that McLaren looks menacing was at Monaco and Hungary, where speed is not that important.
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Sep 6 2006, 10:50 AM
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I doubt McLaren can win any of the last GP given the current form. Hope to see they mount a good challenge next year
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Sep 6 2006, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 6 2006, 09:13 AM) well, truth be told, If it was not for that Senna incident in '94, the rules was not this strict. the irony was that the drivers association was dreamt by senna after the death of Roland Ratzenberger the day before. He told Prost that he was tired of the danger that the drivers are going through. The most ironic thing was that now it is lead by Schumacher.... not that I have anything against him, but his move to damage Hill's car in Adelaide seems like a joke to Senna's memory during his year of death. Schumacher..when he wants to win, no one can stop him.He'll do whatever it takes...by hook or by crook. He even said it himself during an exclusive interview. Sadly, Schumacher fanatic fans won't accept this. Too fanatic...not nice lah. QUOTE(htkaki @ Sep 6 2006, 10:50 AM) I doubt McLaren can win any of the last GP given the current form. Hope to see they mount a good challenge next year maybe they can...if a SC came out |
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 6 2006, 10:11 AM) I doubt that. the only time that McLaren looks menacing was at Monaco and Hungary, where speed is not that important. Speed is important there.....its just top speed that matters most...QUOTE(htkaki @ Sep 6 2006, 10:50 AM) I doubt McLaren can win any of the last GP given the current form. Hope to see they mount a good challenge next year Never exclude Brazil too soon....McLaren are favourites there for the past 7 to 8 years.. |
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Raikkonen fit after back injury
BBC QUOTE Kimi Raikkonen will be fully fit for Sunday's Italian Grand Prix after missing testing last week to recover from a crash at the Turkish race. "My back was a bit sore so we decided that I would rest to get properly fit for this race rather than test," said the Finnish McLaren driver. "But I am totally fine and I am looking forward to getting back in the car. "It has been feeling really strong recently, so I hope we can have more of a race in Monza than in Istanbul." Raikkonen hit a tyre wall during the Turkish race after returning to the track from the pits following a collision with Scott Speed. |
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Sep 7 2006, 02:50 AM
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QUOTE(unknown @ Sep 6 2006, 05:47 PM) Raikkonen fit after back injury Thank god BBC Those tyre walls were hard |
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how u kno?u hit b4 that?in f1c?haha....hope mclaren doing well in qualy but i think it wont b realistic wif the unstable engine
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Sep 9 2006, 02:02 PM
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Raikkonen 'set for Ferrari move'
BBC QUOTE Renault boss Flavio Briatore claims long-time target Kimi Raikkonen has agreed to join Ferrari next season as a replacement for Michael Schumacher. Briatore had been chasing the McLaren driver to take over from world champion Fernando Alonso for the 2007 campaign. But he says Raikkonen will partner Felipe Massa at Ferrari as he expects Schumacher to announce his retirement. "Kimi chose to sign this pre-contract with Ferrari. Good luck. We will try to beat him next year," said Briatore. "You try to do whatever you think is the best. For me Raikkonen was committed very early with Ferrari and the fact, we believe, next year he is driving for Ferrari with Massa takes away that option. "We tried for Raikkonen but that was not possible. "For me the dream was Fernando and Kimi but what is not possible is not possible." Ferrari will announce their 2007 driver line-up after this weekend's Italian Grand Prix at Monza. After missing out on Raikkonen, Briatore decided to promote rookie Heikki Kovalainen to take Alonso's drive - a move he has fiercely defended. Briatore could have signed Juan Pablo Montoya, who is leaving McLaren for Nascar, but opted to sign the Finn who has been testing for the team since 2004 and is their back-up driver this season. "With Fernando leaving we looked away and felt we needed new blood to beat what exists in Formula One," added Briatore. "People keep saying Kovalainen has no experience but this is utter rubbish - Montoya had experience but he is not in Formula One anymore. "We had the possibility to take a name driver, Montoya was available but we are not looking for a name." |
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Sep 9 2006, 02:07 PM
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Only Ron is hoping that Kimi is not going....
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Sep 9 2006, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 9 2006, 02:07 PM) Only Ron is hoping that Kimi is not going.... I'm really hope Kimi can stay with Mclaren hope Ron can convince him He is my favorites driver after Mika. |
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Sep 9 2006, 09:09 PM
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pole for raikkonen in MOnza...unbelievable...
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Sep 9 2006, 09:34 PM
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great drive by kimi! pole! woot
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Sep 9 2006, 09:44 PM
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Kimi Pole . I'm want Kimi to stay with MClaren ...
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Sep 9 2006, 10:20 PM
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Yeah...Kimi on pole by 0.002 of a second
Who says 0.0001 is not important. Kimi shutted up the Ferrari fans at Monza after Michael took pole before Kimi. Kimi saying "...in your face..." Unless McLaren gave Kimi a better car next season...I want Kimi to go to Ferrari. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 9 2006, 10:21 PM |
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Sep 9 2006, 10:24 PM
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Doubt that Kimi will manage to complete the race tomorrow since consistency with the Mclaren team is kinda off beat. Anyway 0.002 second was a bit of a surprise for the whole Ferrari team who was only happy for a few seconds after Schumi passes the finish line
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Sep 9 2006, 10:26 PM
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arrogant raikkonen
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Sep 9 2006, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(rivoluzione @ Sep 9 2006, 10:26 PM) arrogant raikkonen Kimi: Schumi, 0.002 seconds is still faster than u, so don't whine about it. Schumi: We shall see tomorrow Kimi. |
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Sep 9 2006, 10:29 PM
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Schummi: Anything new on your car?
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Sep 9 2006, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 9 2006, 10:29 PM) Schummi: Anything new on your car? Kimi: why? whine to the FIA after this? This is like Schumi who can't believe his eyes that Mclaren could actually catch up with Ferrari and at the same time Kimi out-poling Schumi, thus blaming on addition features on the Mclaren car. |
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Sep 9 2006, 10:33 PM
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Kimi is a nice guy la...he know when to whine and when do not. Anway I was so syok watching the qualifying for the last lap after Schumi end it (i taught he will be getting the pole) but i am so surprise and happy
he is faster than Schumi for 0.002 sec after he pass the lap. Wow...he really did a great job man. Go Kimi Go For the Champion at tomorrow race.  This post has been edited by ccy1989: Sep 9 2006, 10:33 PM |
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Sep 9 2006, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Sep 9 2006, 10:33 PM) Kimi is a nice guy la...he know when to whine and when do not. Anway I was so syok watching the qualifying for the last lap after Schumi end it (i taught he will be getting the pole) but i am so surprise and happy Hopefully Kimi's car doesn't give up tomorrow ahhahha he is faster than Schumi for 0.002 sec after he pass the lap. Wow...he really did a great job man. Go Kimi Go For the Champion at tomorrow race. |
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Sep 9 2006, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 9 2006, 10:29 PM) Schummi: Anything new on your car? goodie!!! nice one!Kimi: why? whine to the FIA after this? hahahaha |
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Sep 9 2006, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ Sep 9 2006, 10:34 PM) Hopefully Kimi's car doesn't give up tomorrow ahhahha Nope he wont and I am sure he will do his very best for tomorrow war. |
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Sep 9 2006, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Sep 9 2006, 10:36 PM) Nope he wont and I am sure he will do his very best for tomorrow war. u sure? he can't do anything if the breaks down again.. |
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Sep 9 2006, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(stableking @ Sep 9 2006, 10:42 PM) u sure? he can't do anything if the breaks down again.. Hopefully the luck will be with him at tomorrow race. |
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Sep 9 2006, 10:57 PM
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Sep 9 2006, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Sep 9 2006, 10:33 PM) Kimi is a nice guy la...he know when to whine and when do not actually he rarely whines also. he lets his driving do the talking for him |
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Sep 9 2006, 11:40 PM
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That was a stunning lap by Kimi. No one expected that!! I am going to pray hard for Kimi. Really hope that he can win tomorrow's race.
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Sep 9 2006, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(viNcee @ Sep 9 2006, 11:37 PM) actually he rarely whines also. he lets his driving do the talking for him I really agree what you said...He doesn't need to speak like wat Alonso do..he will prove everything by his race. |
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Sep 10 2006, 12:46 AM
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Kimi wins, MS 2nd, Nick 3rd, Alonso DNS. yeh...
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Sep 10 2006, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(pangping1510 @ Sep 10 2006, 12:46 AM) Kimi wins, MS 2nd, Nick 3rd, Alonso DNS. yeh... is DNF not DNS |
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Sep 10 2006, 02:47 AM
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QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ Sep 9 2006, 10:27 PM) Kimi: Schumi, 0.002 seconds is still faster than u, so don't whine about it. Schumi: We shall see tomorrow Kimi. QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 9 2006, 10:29 PM) Schummi: Anything new on your car? Kimi: why? whine to the FIA after this? QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ Sep 9 2006, 10:31 PM) This is like Schumi who can't believe his eyes that Mclaren could actually catch up with Ferrari and at the same time Kimi out-poling Schumi, thus blaming on addition features on the Mclaren car. QUOTE(viNcee @ Sep 9 2006, 11:37 PM) actually he rarely whines also. he lets his driving do the talking for him Yes.Cool as ice. QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 9 2006, 11:40 PM) That was a stunning lap by Kimi. No one expected that!! I am going to pray hard for Kimi. Really hope that he can win tomorrow's race. Hope he wins.On pole...surely he'll fly. Remember Hungary? If not for the rain...surely. No pressure and nothing to loose...go Kimi. QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Sep 10 2006, 01:00 AM) is DNF not DNS |
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Sep 10 2006, 06:45 AM
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Kimi is in a dejavu crashing form now .. Hopefully he doesn't do it tomorrow or else, the pole position will be wasted. What i am afraid of the most is his car, whether it will last till the race ends
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Sep 10 2006, 12:32 PM
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Ya. The biggest concern for today race it shud be the car not the driver itself. As i beleive Kimi is a professional driver. So hopefully and pray hard that everything will be smooth and steady for Kimi and Mclaren Mercedes at today race .
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Sep 10 2006, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(pangping1510 @ Sep 10 2006, 12:46 AM) Kimi wins, MS 2nd, Nick 3rd, Alonso DNS. yeh... wonder how many will con'd supporting macca if kimi leaves for ferrari.. |
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Sep 10 2006, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(shauno @ Sep 10 2006, 01:08 PM) wonder how many will con'd supporting macca if kimi leaves for ferrari.. Kimi all the way...bye bye macca |
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Sep 10 2006, 03:19 PM
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Hoepfully, he got the luck. A win in Monza wld be great considering it is Ferrari turf.
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Sep 10 2006, 06:13 PM
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it seems taht alonso has lots of prob with the stewards as his 'blockings' keep on occuring...really hopeless to c him in macca next season, spoilt the name of mclaren only..
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Sep 10 2006, 06:18 PM
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Maybe the stewards also "boh song" with Alonso .
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Sep 10 2006, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(shauno @ Sep 10 2006, 01:08 PM) wonder how many will con'd supporting macca if kimi leaves for ferrari.. i will still be supporting McLaren and i know most will toothere were many macca fans before kimi joined the team so i don't see the problem a few maybe like this one here will stop supporting of cos QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 10 2006, 02:57 PM) Kimi all the way...bye bye macca bye byenot gonna miss ya P.S. won't it be weird to see kimi in red??...*shrugs* |
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Sep 10 2006, 06:26 PM
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After some time , i am sure all of us will get used to Kimi red uniform .
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Sep 10 2006, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(jiunkei_46 @ Sep 10 2006, 06:13 PM) it seems taht alonso has lots of prob with the stewards as his 'blockings' keep on occuring...really hopeless to c him in macca next season, spoilt the name of mclaren only.. Yes.Giving macca the bad name...just like Monty did. QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Sep 10 2006, 06:26 PM) After some time , i am sure all of us will get used to Kimi red uniform . Kimi look good in anything I think I'll still follow and suppot macca. But only the 2nd driver...not Alonso...no...no...no. Don't like Alonso as same as those who don't like Monty. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 10 2006, 07:20 PM |
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Sep 10 2006, 09:24 PM
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Kimi 2nd . Great drive from Kimi .
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Sep 10 2006, 09:25 PM
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congratulation to kimi..
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Sep 10 2006, 09:30 PM
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Anyway...the curse for it really works man...Alonso really DNF
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Sep 10 2006, 09:32 PM
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Schumi retired ... Kimi on they way to Ferrari
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Sep 10 2006, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(unknown @ Sep 10 2006, 09:32 PM) Schumi retired ... Kimi on they way to Ferrari Dun be sad...there are ups and downs sometime....and there are gain and loss... for Kimi and Schumey |
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Sep 10 2006, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Sep 10 2006, 09:30 PM) Anyway...the curse for it really works man...Alonso really DNF ahahahaha......nice work man!!! u really sent him to hell this race ....anyway.good job to kimi |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(camel90 @ Sep 10 2006, 09:36 PM) ahahahaha......nice work man!!! u really sent him to hell this race we shall thank edison9xxxxx 4 his jampi session b4 the race ....anyway.good job to kimi it finally works after more than 16 attempts this year |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Sep 10 2006, 10:14 PM) we shall thank edison9xxxxx 4 his jampi session b4 the race hehe yeah he is the 1 who make the jampi on Alonso it finally works after more than 16 attempts this year |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:22 PM
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Ahhhh, as usual the Ferrari zealots are posting spams in the McLaren fan thread. Great
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Sep 10 2006, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Sep 10 2006, 10:22 PM) Ahhhh, as usual the Ferrari zealots are posting spams in the McLaren fan thread. Great Well this could be last season for the zealots to spams in Mclaren fan thread coz Kimi will be joining Ferrari for the next season. |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Sep 10 2006, 10:27 PM) Well this could be last season for the zealots to spams in Mclaren fan thread coz Kimi will be joining Ferrari for the next season. I think the otherwise would be true, since Alonso will be in McLaren next year  Anyway, I wonder if Kimi will really join Ferrari next year. The only website that I've read that indicates this is f1racing.net. I guess its now like 90% chance that he's going Ferrari huh? |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Sep 10 2006, 10:38 PM) I think the otherwise would be true, since Alonso will be in McLaren next year Nope he is 100% confirm to join Ferrari for the next season. Anyway, I wonder if Kimi will really join Ferrari next year. The only website that I've read that indicates this is f1racing.net. I guess its now like 90% chance that he's going Ferrari huh? |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:41 PM
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I guess Kimi will go Ferrari .... But prefer him in silver McLaren car .....
It would be better if Kimi and Alonso in McLaren next year ..... |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(david_kiat @ Sep 10 2006, 10:41 PM) I guess Kimi will go Ferrari .... But prefer him in silver McLaren car ..... I really feel that this combination really not suitable man. It would be better if Kimi and Alonso in McLaren next year ..... |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:45 PM
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Ferrari reveal Raikkonen signing
BBC QUOTE Felipe Massa and McLaren driver Kimi Raikkonen will wear Ferrari's colours next season following Michael Schumacher's decision to retire. Ferrari revealed the new line-up after Schumacher's announcement following his win in the Italian Grand at Monza. "Kimi was key to the structure for the future and we are pleased to have him", said technical director Ross Brawn. "Felipe is doing a great job but we are happy to gain Kimi." Raikkonen has signed a three-year deal and Massa's contract has been extended to the end of 2008. McLaren team chief Ron Dennis thanked the Finn for his efforts and promised fans they would replace him with another quality driver. "I have enjoyed working with Kimi over the past five seasons and as a team we have achieved a lot of success," he said. "He is a very special driver and obviously everybody at McLaren wishes him all the best in his future career. "Looking forward we remain confident that our 2007 line-up will be a strong and exciting one." |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:46 PM
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Kimi to Ferrari: Mclaren reaction
British squad farewell Finn QUOTE Kimi Raikkonen and Team McLaren Mercedes have enjoyed a successful relationship for the past five years achieving nine victories, ten pole positions and scored 321 World Championship points. Only two drivers in Formula 1 at the moment enjoy longer relationships with their teams than Kimi and Team McLaren Mercedes. sourceThe team has a number of options for the remaining seat alongside World Champion Fernando Alonso for 2007 and will make an announcement prior to the end of the year. Following today's announcement regarding his future, the Team would like to thank Kimi for his contribution and wish him the very best. Whilst Kimi's 2007 plans are now announced both Kimi and the Team recognise there is still a job to do this season and will continue to push hard. Kimi Raikkonen: "Whilst I have taken the decision to leave Team McLaren Mercedes, I want to stress that I really enjoyed my time with the team. I have the deepest respect for everybody and will be giving my all in the remaining races." Ron Dennis (McLaren Team Principal): "I have enjoyed working with Kimi over the past five seasons and as a team we have achieved a lot of success. He is a very special driver and obviously everybody at McLaren wishes him all the best in his future career. Looking forward we remain confident that our 2007 line-up will be a strong and exciting one." Norbert Haug (Mercedes-Benz Motorsport): "We worked with Kimi for five years and during that time he has become a great racing driver. On behalf of DaimlerChrysler and our premium brand Mercedes-Benz I would like to thank Kimi for all that he has done for us and I wish him well for the future. I am sure we will continue to have great respect for each other and will remain friends." |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:47 PM
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Kimi + alonso = Kimi + montoya.
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Sep 10 2006, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(edison_84 @ Sep 10 2006, 10:47 PM) Kimi + alonso = Kimi + montoya. Hehe...Montoya always screwed up the team. |
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Sep 10 2006, 10:51 PM
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Kimi comfirm go to Ferrari next season, really sad
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Sep 10 2006, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Sep 10 2006, 10:50 PM) Hehe...Montoya always screwed up the team. Not really, IMHO, montoya (2nd driver for mclaren) just want to show he is faster than kimi ( 1st driver for mclaren)..That will happen if alonso and kimi as teammate, especially second driver. |
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Sep 10 2006, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(edison_84 @ Sep 10 2006, 10:58 PM) Not really, IMHO, montoya (2nd driver for mclaren) just want to show he is faster than kimi ( 1st driver for mclaren).. I see...this remind me of the fight of just now race between their own teamate of Tiago Monteiro and Christijan Albers ....1 of the is showing the hand gesture ...if i m not mistaken That will happen if alonso and kimi as teammate, especially second driver. This post has been edited by ccy1989: Sep 10 2006, 11:03 PM |
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Sep 10 2006, 11:42 PM
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All the best to Kimi.
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Sep 10 2006, 11:45 PM
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the 5 yrs in mclaren can said to be a wonderful relationship eventhough no championship won but he is the one that keeps mclaren in the top with such a car..
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Sep 11 2006, 12:17 AM
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Congrats Kimi.
Honestly, sad a bit he's leaving for Ferrari next season. His goal is the world title...since macca failed to give him that...maybe Ferrari can. |
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Sep 11 2006, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 11 2006, 12:17 AM) Congrats Kimi. I suppose you are switching camp next season? Honestly, sad a bit he's leaving for Ferrari next season. His goal is the world title...since macca failed to give him that...maybe Ferrari can. |
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Sep 11 2006, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE(tifosi @ Sep 11 2006, 12:30 AM) I suppose you are switching camp next season? yes and no. no supporting Alonso. yes supporting McLaren's 2nd driver. Kimi's gonna make an impact to Formula 1 same as Michael Schumacher made an impact since Senna's death. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 11 2006, 12:46 AM |
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Sep 11 2006, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(tifosi @ Sep 11 2006, 12:30 AM) I suppose you are switching camp next season? i know i am gonna change my comp wallpaper, phone wallpaper as well as go buy more red coloured shirts |
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Sep 11 2006, 12:56 AM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 11 2006, 12:17 AM) His goal is the world title...since macca failed to give him that...maybe Ferrari can. macca gave him a championship winning car last season.he failed to deliver. that said...i'm kinda sad he's leaving as he is a great driver. all the best to him.  |
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Sep 11 2006, 01:03 AM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 11 2006, 12:56 AM) macca gave him a championship winning car last season. i wouldn't say he failed to deliver. mclaren didn't give him a championship winning car till midway through the season with alonso already having a comfortable lead.he failed to deliver. that said...i'm kinda sad he's leaving as he is a great driver. all the best to him. also, the car was unreliable. there were some races when kimi was comfortably leading before the car let go in some way. forgive me for not remembering the details as my brain is mostly filled with stuff for my exams next week |
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Sep 11 2006, 01:35 AM
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Bring forth Lewis Hamilton~! He's almost certain to get in now that he's clinched the GP2 title
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Sep 11 2006, 01:36 AM
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How sad...but life goes on.
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Sep 11 2006, 01:39 AM
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QUOTE(viNcee @ Sep 11 2006, 01:03 AM) i wouldn't say he failed to deliver. mclaren didn't give him a championship winning car till midway through the season with alonso already having a comfortable lead. Yes.also, the car was unreliable. there were some races when kimi was comfortably leading before the car let go in some way. forgive me for not remembering the details as my brain is mostly filled with stuff for my exams next week But the suspension failure in Hockhenheim last season was Kimi' fault I think. Bumped heavily and one of the front tyre badly damage. Last lap...suspension all gone QUOTE(tyrion4 @ Sep 11 2006, 01:35 AM) Bring forth Lewis Hamilton~! He's almost certain to get in now that he's clinched the GP2 title I think macca don't need to be hasty.Let Hamilton find more experience 1st. |
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 11 2006, 01:39 AM) Yes. that was the european gp in nurburgring i think But the suspension failure in Hockhenheim last season was Kimi' fault I think. Bumped heavily and one of the front tyre badly damage. Last lap...suspension all gone he flat spotted his tyre while trying to lap villeneuve and was suffering heavy vibrations. then his suspension finally broke on the last lap handing alonso the race win |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:26 AM
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QUOTE(viNcee @ Sep 11 2006, 01:45 AM) that was the european gp in nurburgring i think he flat spotted his tyre while trying to lap villeneuve and was suffering heavy vibrations. then his suspension finally broke on the last lap handing alonso the race win two Germany GP made me |
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Sep 11 2006, 07:58 AM
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Well I knew this was comin, I posted this a while back Kimi in a Ferrari colors.Kimi drove a great race in Monza, I think he showed the tifosi that he would be the natural successor to Michael's legacy at Ferarri. I think Mclaren got off to a very bad start to the year, with several of their key engineers and Adrian leaving them, I think that , and several key factors were the deciding factors that Kimi decided to make his move to Ferrari.
However I have made a mental note that Mclaren has made drastic improvements on their car, the results speak for themselves, a 2nd place podium in Monza, who knows what would of happened in Turkey if he didnt have that shunt.I do suspect that Mclaren may have a really competitive car next year, and Alonso as you know is a very competitive driver ( I know there will be flames, but you cannot argue with his results) So all in all, he may of made the right move to go to Mclaren , we shall see. Now that Kimi's future is confirmed and official, I wish him the best , I am a Kimi supporter, now that he is a Ferrari driver, I am pretty sure, if nothing goes wrong, (he doesnt bring his bad luck from Mclaren to Ferrari, ie car breaking down ......) with Bridgestone tyres, (everyone will be running on Bridgestone next year, right?) I see him winning his first WDC ! His main threat without a shadow of a doubt, will be Alonso, Massa, Mclaren's number 2 driver, Team BMW and possibly the new Finn Heikki. wewt! Cant wait for next year! Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Sep 11 2006, 09:14 AM
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besides the 2nd place in Monza, he also got the fastest time during the race..that shows that there is a lot of improvement done on the car..
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Sep 11 2006, 09:39 AM
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Always a Kimi supporter since he was in Sauber (Reason that time was, I just like his name). I'm still having McClaren Mercedez hat with his name on it. Bought it at the 2002 F1 in Sepang, his first year with McClaren. Nobody expected what he will become that time
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Sep 11 2006, 10:13 AM
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the car has improved.
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Sep 11 2006, 11:16 AM
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Raikkonen.. time to change Siggy n avatar..
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Sep 11 2006, 11:29 AM
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anyways, that was lame. I still can't believe that the steward punishes Alonso for that. C'mon, I see cars that are closer than that but are not punished. Even if Schummi wins the WC this year, it's hollow. WTF were they thinking? This sports has enough conterversional decisions now, and this does not look good for the FIA's image.
and for those who still feels that Alonso is guilty, look at the qualifying fact again. 1. The laptime is around 1.22. He went out of the pit with around. 1.26 remaining. 2. He need to cross the line before the clock reaches 0. 3. he needs about 2 second to speed up and get the heat back into his tyre, which leave him around about 1.24 4. He crosses the line with about 2 seconds to spare. Thus I doubt in no way he can impede Massa's lap. I mean he has to push the car to get within that time. Any logical thinking man can see that. this is crap. I won't watch any of the remaining races after this. This post has been edited by linkinstreet: Sep 11 2006, 11:31 AM |
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Sep 11 2006, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 11 2006, 11:29 AM) anyways, that was lame. I still can't believe that the steward punishes Alonso for that. C'mon, I see cars that are closer than that but are not punished. Even if Schummi wins the WC this year, it's hollow. WTF were they thinking? This sports has enough conterversional decisions now, and this does not look good for the FIA's image. yeah i agreeand for those who still feels that Alonso is guilty, look at the qualifying fact again. 1. The laptime is around 1.22. He went out of the pit with around. 1.26 remaining. 2. He need to cross the line before the clock reaches 0. 3. he needs about 2 second to speed up and get the heat back into his tyre, which leave him around about 1.24 4. He crosses the line with about 2 seconds to spare. Thus I doubt in no way he can impede Massa's lap. I mean he has to push the car to get within that time. Any logical thinking man can see that. this is crap. I won't watch any of the remaining races after this. it was a ridiculous decision i watched qualy and i didn't get the impression that massa was being blocked this type of decisions bring the sport into disrepute and it's not one that the sport needs right now |
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Sep 11 2006, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 11 2006, 11:29 AM) anyways, that was lame. I still can't believe that the steward punishes Alonso for that. C'mon, I see cars that are closer than that but are not punished. Even if Schummi wins the WC this year, it's hollow. WTF were they thinking? This sports has enough conterversional decisions now, and this does not look good for the FIA's image. I read somewhere saying Alonso hv to let Massa pass by eventhough by doing that means you cant make a fast lap.. rules is rulesand for those who still feels that Alonso is guilty, look at the qualifying fact again. 1. The laptime is around 1.22. He went out of the pit with around. 1.26 remaining. 2. He need to cross the line before the clock reaches 0. 3. he needs about 2 second to speed up and get the heat back into his tyre, which leave him around about 1.24 4. He crosses the line with about 2 seconds to spare. Thus I doubt in no way he can impede Massa's lap. I mean he has to push the car to get within that time. Any logical thinking man can see that. this is crap. I won't watch any of the remaining races after this. |
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Sep 11 2006, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 11 2006, 11:29 AM) anyways, that was lame. I still can't believe that the steward punishes Alonso for that. C'mon, I see cars that are closer than that but are not punished. Even if Schummi wins the WC this year, it's hollow. WTF were they thinking? This sports has enough conterversional decisions now, and this does not look good for the FIA's image. You know, it all earnesty , I agree, Alonso was reprimanded for no reason at all. I dunno well, this is speculation on my part, Ron Dennis may ask Kimi to indirectly help Alonso to his 2nd driver's championship, however, I dunno how feasible this will be as Ferrari next year is Kimi's employer.and for those who still feels that Alonso is guilty, look at the qualifying fact again. 1. The laptime is around 1.22. He went out of the pit with around. 1.26 remaining. 2. He need to cross the line before the clock reaches 0. 3. he needs about 2 second to speed up and get the heat back into his tyre, which leave him around about 1.24 4. He crosses the line with about 2 seconds to spare. Thus I doubt in no way he can impede Massa's lap. I mean he has to push the car to get within that time. Any logical thinking man can see that. this is crap. I won't watch any of the remaining races after this. Alonso is a from a tough pedigree, he will win his 2nd WDC for sure, he may need some help from his team mate, Giancarlo though and hopefully from a resurgent Mclaren :-p I seriously cant wait for next year!! |
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Sep 11 2006, 12:38 PM
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I think steward made a correct dicision.. he come out late so what? who make him come out so late? blame who? blame FIA? Blame Massa?
the fact is Massa is in his lap and he is just in his flying lap.. he is in front of Massa while Massa doing his lap time... If that is dangerous to risk him out.. so.. don't come out.. stay in the pit .. stay in P10.. |
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Sep 11 2006, 12:51 PM
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wat a lost for mclaren mercedes... kimi going ferrari...
i not so like alonso... but he going to bcome mclaren driver, i have to like he |
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Sep 11 2006, 12:51 PM
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Luck also plays in the game
consider a bad luck for massa, thats all f1 these days getting boring with fia decissions n crappy format changes, no? =__= |
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Sep 11 2006, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE(weiheng @ Sep 11 2006, 12:29 PM) I read somewhere saying Alonso hv to let Massa pass by eventhough by doing that means you cant make a fast lap.. rules is rules no there's no rule saying that. only that u can't block a driver on his flying lap. alonso was always a good distance ahead of him and was in no position to block him at all. massa went slower cause he got distracted. but isn't that why this qualifying format was introduced rather than the 1 at a time style. in the previous qualy format similar to the one we have now, drivers were getting compromised lap times all the time and no one was penalisedQUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 11 2006, 12:38 PM) I think steward made a correct dicision.. he come out late so what? who make him come out so late? blame who? blame FIA? Blame Massa? it's statements like this that convinces me that there are alot of morons here. alonso had every right to come out when he did to try to improve his lap time. that's the whole idea of the current qualy system. the position massa was in made no difference cause alonso was driving fast enough.the fact is Massa is in his lap and he is just in his flying lap.. he is in front of Massa while Massa doing his lap time... If that is dangerous to risk him out.. so.. don't come out.. stay in the pit .. stay in P10.. This post has been edited by verx: Sep 11 2006, 01:28 PM |
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Sep 11 2006, 01:54 PM
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I watched the qualifying session too. Im very much sure that alonso's far enough to leave enough room for massa, well at least thats what the camera shows. But during that moment, i got this feeling that ferrari's gonna whine at FIA to get alonso some sort of penalty, and hey, my guess is 100% correct. Conclusion? Ferrari and FIA stewards slept in the same bed
Btw, verx, those are clearly not a moron, just a very obvious anti-alonso/ferrari zealot Anyway, like wat linkin said, the result of this year's WDC is pretty much SCRIPTED, with all the controversy kicking in during these decisive moments |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE no there's no rule saying that. only that u can't block a driver on his flying lap. alonso was always a good distance ahead of him and was in no position to block him at all. massa went slower cause he got distracted. but isn't that why this qualifying format was introduced rather than the 1 at a time style. in the previous qualy format similar to the one we have now, drivers were getting compromised lap times all the time and no one was penalised if i'm not mistaken there is a case involve JV n Fisi right? |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:19 PM
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there's no point arguing on the stewards decision that alonso was blocking - no way the fia gonna back down now decision already made and race is over. anyway alonso dnf - though he might not have to push the engine so hard if he wasn't relegated to 10th
kimi to ferrari is mclaren lost becos if they have persuaded him to stay on - kimi & alonso would make mclaren unbeatable next yr (if the car perform)..... but then like the chinese saying "one mountain cannot hide 2 tiger". |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(long3016 @ Sep 11 2006, 12:51 PM) wat a lost for mclaren mercedes... kimi going ferrari... That makes two of us.i not so like alonso... but he going to bcome mclaren driver, i have to like he Want to make a poll? To see how many McLaren fans support Alonso? QUOTE(verx @ Sep 11 2006, 01:27 PM) no there's no rule saying that. only that u can't block a driver on his flying lap. alonso was always a good distance ahead of him and was in no position to block him at all. massa went slower cause he got distracted. but isn't that why this qualifying format was introduced rather than the 1 at a time style. in the previous qualy format similar to the one we have now, drivers were getting compromised lap times all the time and no one was penalised what's with the name calling it's statements like this that convinces me that there are alot of morons here. alonso had every right to come out when he did to try to improve his lap time. that's the whole idea of the current qualy system. the position massa was in made no difference cause alonso was driving fast enough. QUOTE(sleepy @ Sep 11 2006, 01:54 PM) I watched the qualifying session too. Im very much sure that alonso's far enough to leave enough room for massa, well at least thats what the camera shows. But during that moment, i got this feeling that ferrari's gonna whine at FIA to get alonso some sort of penalty, and hey, my guess is 100% correct. Conclusion? Ferrari and FIA stewards slept in the same bed Btw, verx, those are clearly not a moron, just a very obvious anti-alonso/ferrari zealot Anyway, like wat linkin said, the result of this year's WDC is pretty much SCRIPTED, with all the controversy kicking in during these decisive moments QUOTE(kitman @ Sep 11 2006, 02:19 PM) there's no point arguing on the stewards decision that alonso was blocking - no way the fia gonna back down now decision already made and race is over. anyway alonso dnf - though he might not have to push the engine so hard if he wasn't relegated to 10th Kimi is the better tiger.kimi to ferrari is mclaren lost becos if they have persuaded him to stay on - kimi & alonso would make mclaren unbeatable next yr (if the car perform)..... but then like the chinese saying "one mountain cannot hide 2 tiger". Siberian tiger...cool and white This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 11 2006, 02:35 PM |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:36 PM
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Renault Boss saying that is dengerous to let him out.. so what..
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Sep 11 2006, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 11 2006, 11:16 AM) Raikkonen.. time to change Siggy n avatar.. waiting for the first appearance of Kimi in red. mark my words...Kimi's the world champion of 2007 |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 11 2006, 02:40 PM) waiting for the first appearance of Kimi in red. mark my words...Kimi's the world champion of 2007 |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:52 PM
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Even Kimi Raikkonen agree with me
QUOTE Raikkonen targets '07 title with Ferrari SourceSunday, September 10th 2006, 14:43 GMT McLaren driver Kimi Raikkonen says he will target the title when he joins the Ferrari team next season. Raikkonen was confirmed as a Ferrari driver today, after months of speculation. He has signed a deal until the end of the 2009 season. The Finn, who is yet to stand on the top step of the podium this year, says his goal for next year is to win the title. "I expected it to happen already, but you never know what will happen and hopefully we can do it next year," said Raikkonen after finishing in the second place at the Italian Grand Prix. "We need to work as hard as we can and I have full confidence that the team will give me a very good car. I am happy to join the team with the history and all the great things. I want to finish this year as best as I can and see what happens next year." Raikkonen has been at McLaren since the 2002 season, and he has finished runner-up in the championship twice, in 2003 and 2005. The Finn believes it was the right moment to move to Ferrari. "I guess there are many reasons but I have been five years in McLaren, they are a great team and nice people but in the end I wanted something else," he added. "There were only two choices, to stay at McLaren or choose Ferrari. "I wanted to go there one day, this was the best moment, and there will be people I miss at McLaren but that is the way it goes." Although Raikkonen will have big shoes to fill in as Schumacher's replacement, the Finn has shrugged off the comparison. "Not really. It is a nice place to go and the team will expect a lot and the fans too, but I also expect a lot from the fans. "It is different. I came to McLaren when Mika (Hakkinen) was world champion twice and it was not easy, but I will go there, do my best and hopefully it will be enough for everybody." See...his goal is the world title. Any F1 drivers wants that world title. Since McLaren cannot gave him that...Ferrari will. I wonder what were Michael saying to Kimi...sweet snapshot.  This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 11 2006, 02:58 PM |
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Sep 11 2006, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 11 2006, 02:52 PM) Even Kimi Raikkonen agree with me Micheal : " U are so sweet.. To night u are my.. " .. .. See...his goal is the world title. Any F1 drivers wants that world title. Since McLaren cannot gave him that...Ferrari will. I wonder what were Michael saying to Kimi...sweet snapshot. Kimi : " oh yeah.. waiting u.. ".. .. |
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Sep 11 2006, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 11 2006, 02:58 PM) Micheal : " U are so sweet.. To night u are my.. " .. .. cut it out dude...ewww... Kimi : " oh yeah.. waiting u.. ".. .. |
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Sep 11 2006, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 11 2006, 01:27 PM) it's statements like this that convinces me that there are alot of morons here. alonso had every right to come out when he did to try to improve his lap time. that's the whole idea of the current qualy system. the position massa was in made no difference cause alonso was driving fast enough. really agree...and i dont undersatnd why so many people flame alonso..he's one of the most consistent drivers in the paddock..if i'm not mistaken, only made 2 mistakes las year, and this year dnf only cos of car (except hungary...but is dat considered driver error?).. |
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Sep 11 2006, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(weiheng @ Sep 11 2006, 02:03 PM) if i'm not mistaken there is a case involve JV n Fisi right? That was a no brainer. the car was not even 1 metre apart. Alonso and Massa was at least 6 cars apart |
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Sep 11 2006, 04:25 PM
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we flame alonso becos of the eyebrow haha ......
well i have to agree alonso is a more consistant driver and kimi do get too fire up at times and ruin his race. also kimi can't speak properly even after so many times at press conference . but i would really like to see him win the wdc next yrThis post has been edited by kitman: Sep 11 2006, 05:24 PM |
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Sep 11 2006, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 11 2006, 03:58 PM) That was a no brainer. the car was not even 1 metre apart. Alonso and Massa was at least 6 cars apart is it? lol I'm not too sure of that. but nevertheless he has to let Massa pass by. |
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Sep 11 2006, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(weiheng @ Sep 11 2006, 04:29 PM) is it? lol I'm not too sure of that. but nevertheless he has to let Massa pass by. no he doesn't have to. and why should he? to catch massa on massa's slowing down lap and compromise his own lap time? no driver in their right mind would have done that. schumi included. and for that matter...schumi wouldn't have been so distracted by the car in front of him. massa is a mediocre driver. alonso being penalised for massa's mistake is ridiculousThis post has been edited by verx: Sep 11 2006, 05:10 PM |
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Sep 11 2006, 05:13 PM
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True. and for the downforce to be affected, the cars have to be line astern for it to be noticeable. Massa has himself to blame for going to slow.
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Sep 11 2006, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 11 2006, 05:08 PM) no he doesn't have to. and why should he? to catch massa on massa's slowing down lap and compromise his own lap time? no driver in their right mind would have done that. schumi included. and for that matter...schumi wouldn't have been so distracted by the car in front of him. massa is a mediocre driver. alonso being penalised for massa's mistake is ridiculous what slowing down lap? it's Massa flying lap la.. |
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Sep 11 2006, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 11 2006, 05:08 PM) no he doesn't have to. and why should he? to catch massa on massa's slowing down lap and compromise his own lap time? no driver in their right mind would have done that. schumi included. and for that matter...schumi wouldn't have been so distracted by the car in front of him. massa is a mediocre driver. alonso being penalised for massa's mistake is ridiculous it is just one of those technicality stuff that just happens |
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Sep 11 2006, 06:45 PM
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I, personally dont think Kimi Raikkonen will look good in red... Silver and black is his colour... Dissapointed that he is leaving McLaren... Yea, we got Alonso, but its not going to be the same...
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Sep 11 2006, 06:46 PM
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Wonder what will happen to Alonso after he take over Mclaren for the next season
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Sep 11 2006, 07:06 PM
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These kind of things always happened one, just a matter of when n where. Ferrari trying to pay Alonso back for what he did to MSC a few GP back when he deliberately slowdown to let MSC overtake under red flag. Its MONZA u know, so its worth a try. Hahaha. Somemore this kind of thing damn complicated. Like MSC in Monaco this year, simply parked his car there. Its up to you how to exploit the situation. Somemore if you are doing the best times in earlier sector to back up your claim, its even easier for the stewards to side by you.
Sometimes drama are fun u know. Just like football. Sometimes offside also count the goal, sometimes not offside also cancel goals. It adds excitement and anger to the game n makes ppl wanna see how to avenge it. If compare Alonso to MS and Raikonen, I think I still prefer MS first and Raikonen 2nd. Raikonen too quiet and hard to understand what he;s trying to say. If not sure bcome his fan. Alonso meanwhile is like a baby. I think he will b like Barrichello in Honda this year. |
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Sep 11 2006, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(almattitude_v1 @ Sep 11 2006, 06:45 PM) I, personally dont think Kimi Raikkonen will look good in red... Silver and black is his colour... Dissapointed that he is leaving McLaren... Yea, we got Alonso, but its not going to be the same... Yea.. I gotta say I will need some time to get used to the red outfit that Kimi wear next year.. It will never be the same again at McLaren. I really hope Kimi will make a U-turn on his decision. |
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Sep 11 2006, 09:51 PM
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not goin to pull a "button" now are we?
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Sep 11 2006, 09:53 PM
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kimi in red...
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Sep 11 2006, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(shauno @ Sep 11 2006, 09:53 PM) kimi in red... hey is kinda weird and funny... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « kinda bad job tho.. |
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Sep 11 2006, 10:30 PM
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yea....look like oversized head kimi.lol
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Sep 12 2006, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE(weiheng @ Sep 11 2006, 05:22 PM) what slowing down lap? it's Massa flying lap la.. read my post carefully. what do u do after a flying lap? u slow down...if alonso let massa past him he would have caught massa on his slowing down lap....sheesh |
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Sep 12 2006, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(kitman @ Sep 11 2006, 04:25 PM) we flame alonso becos of the eyebrow haha ...... I think we're gonna have to accept that Kimi talks like that because Finlandwell i have to agree alonso is a more consistant driver and kimi do get too fire up at times and ruin his race. also kimi can't speak properly even after so many times at press conference . but i would really like to see him win the wdc next yrlanguage is quite soft. Listen to him talking in his native tongue...so soft. Not like us in native or in bahasa, always loud one QUOTE(almattitude_v1 @ Sep 11 2006, 06:45 PM) I, personally dont think Kimi Raikkonen will look good in red... Silver and black is his colour... Dissapointed that he is leaving McLaren... Yea, we got Alonso, but its not going to be the same... We're gonna get use to it.QUOTE(kapitan @ Sep 11 2006, 07:06 PM) These kind of things always happened one, just a matter of when n where. Ferrari trying to pay Alonso back for what he did to MSC a few GP back when he deliberately slowdown to let MSC overtake under red flag. Interesting theory QUOTE(shauno @ Sep 11 2006, 10:30 PM) yea....look like oversized head kimi.lol |
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Sep 12 2006, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 12 2006, 12:45 AM) read my post carefully. what do u do after a flying lap? u slow down...if alonso let massa past him he would have caught massa on his slowing down lap....sheesh when ppl doing his flying lap and u r not u should let ppl pass. the same apply to massa. if massa didnt let alonso pass then he should be penaltised as well.. |
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Sep 12 2006, 01:32 AM
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hmmm...I also think that the penalties given to Alonso was a controversial decision.
Watch this: Penalty Alonso Monza 1st of all, Alonso's on his hot lap...has 90 seconds to reach the Start/Finish line before the chequered flag. Massa's on his flying lap. I don't see any blocking. Maybe it's an act of courtesy...since the driver behind is on his flying lap, the hot lap driver in front must yield. Too bad it's not in the rules of F1. Is it? Since no courtesy given by Alonso/Renault, Ferrari starts to whine. Ferrari's whining all the time. Since they have a big mama (FIA) behind them...every whining will favor them. Kimi, please don't whine when you're in a Ferrari. Winning like that is so lame and cheap. I don't care who the drivers are...if his attitude suxx...I'll hate him. Be more like Mika...aggresive but smooth, smart. Try to be better with more world titles. QUOTE Question: Is there one rival who stands out as toughest competitor? SourceMichael Schumacher: I think the nicest battles were with Mika (Hakkinen) in the end. They were very high level without any animosities and hard racing. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 12 2006, 05:27 PM |
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Sep 12 2006, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE(weiheng @ Sep 12 2006, 01:10 AM) when ppl doing his flying lap and u r not u should let ppl pass. the same apply to massa. if massa didnt let alonso pass then he should be penaltised as well.. talking is easy. letting ppl past is not. how many times have we seen the car behind being bottled by a slower car because he caught him at the wrong point. alonso did the right thing by staying out in front so that massa had no way to catch him. there is NO rule saying he must let the car behind pass because then the rule would be too vague. what would be considered acceptable distance? so should every car on the same lap let massa thru as well?? |
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Sep 12 2006, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 12 2006, 01:37 AM) talking is easy. letting ppl past is not. how many times have we seen the car behind being bottled by a slower car because he caught him at the wrong point. alonso did the right thing by staying out in front so that massa had no way to catch him. there is NO rule saying he must let the car behind pass because then the rule would be too vague. what would be considered acceptable distance? so should every car on the same lap let massa thru as well?? tell that to the LYN F1 Challenge 99-02 RH2004 League few incidents so far, either bad timing or won't bother to use side mirror but with me...no problems. Iceman lah katakan This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 12 2006, 01:48 AM |
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Sep 12 2006, 01:50 AM
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sometimes a little common sense goes a long way.
i have watched f1 for quite a number of years now and i remember during the good old fights between schumi and mika where they tried to distract each other during qualy. it's gamesmanship and it's part of the sport. |
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Sep 12 2006, 01:56 AM
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Can't forget this move ever since it happen
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Sep 12 2006, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Sep 12 2006, 01:56 AM) Can't forget this move ever since it happen Belgium - Spa Francorchamps. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnxo89MTVo8...related&search= Yeah. I guess that McLaren were faster than Ferrari in a straight line...misses that with current McLaren cars See Mika's hand gestures to Michael Also, Mika squeeze Michael and cover the inside line...Michael has no where to go Smart move. This one has heavy metal music on it...better feeling I saw another one where Mika passes Villeneuve in Sepang. He made Villeneuve look like a rookie This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 12 2006, 05:21 PM |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:17 AM
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Hakkinen - Unforgettable moments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcE5LPiFp4...related&search= Notice the clip when it's 4:16 minute, i remember that start as well, brilliant stuff from McLaren This post has been edited by bearbear: Sep 12 2006, 02:18 AM |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Sep 12 2006, 01:56 AM) Can't forget this move ever since it happen i remember watching that live and jumping up and down when he pulled it off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnxo89MTVo8...related&search= Absolutely Awesome. 2000 was a great year for F1. |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:37 AM
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Sep 12 2006, 02:17 AM) Hakkinen - Unforgettable moments actually 5.30http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcE5LPiFp4...related&search= Notice the clip when it's 4:16 minute, i remember that start as well, brilliant stuff from McLaren you're simply the best Mika. Too bad we're not going to see a McLaren winning the world title. Car not that good. Unless morons of FIA change more rules. Sadly Kimi won't continue the tradition as a Finn winning the world title with a McLaren as Mika did. Maybe Kimi's destiny is with Ferrari. |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:42 AM
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NO, what i mean is when the clips is 4:16, watch the start from McLaren.
IIRC Coulthard is on pole, Michael 2nd and Mika 3rd. Then Coulthard block Michael and Mika just go pass two of them. Wonderful stuff! Perfectly done This post has been edited by bearbear: Sep 12 2006, 12:37 PM |
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Sep 12 2006, 10:06 AM
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@bear bear.. wat are u talking about?? Coulthard, Mika, Micheal.. and Kimi???
Kimi driving a Sauber Petronas to pass?? |
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Sep 12 2006, 12:37 PM
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I mean Mika, got confused myself
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Sep 12 2006, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 12 2006, 01:32 AM) hmmm...I also think that the penalties given to Alonso was a controversial decision. seriously every team whine.. what u call when Mclaren or Renault whine? Watch this: YouTube - Penalty Alonso Monza 1st of all, Alonso's on his hot lap...has 90 seconds to reach the Start/Finish line before the chequered flag. Massa's on his flying lap. I don't see any blocking. Maybe it's an act of courtesy...since the driver behind is on his flying lap, the hot lap driver in front must yield. Too bad it's not in the rules of F1. Is it? Since no courtesy given by Alonso/Renault, Ferrari starts to whine. Ferrari's whining all the time. Since they have a big mama (FIA) behind them...every whining will favor them. Kimi, please don't whine when you're in a Ferrari. Winning like that is so lame and cheap. I don't care who the drivers are...if his attitude suxx...I'll hate him. Be more like Mika...aggresive but smooth, smart. Try to be better with more world titles. Source QUOTE(verx @ Sep 12 2006, 01:37 AM) talking is easy. letting ppl past is not. how many times have we seen the car behind being bottled by a slower car because he caught him at the wrong point. alonso did the right thing by staying out in front so that massa had no way to catch him. there is NO rule saying he must let the car behind pass because then the rule would be too vague. what would be considered acceptable distance? so should every car on the same lap let massa thru as well?? i dun know let ppl pass is a must or a courtesy.. when u hv no prob when other team doing it or being penalised but u start to whine when Ferrari is involved.. fair or not fair.. he deserved 0 point in this race. He cut the chicane and do u think he deserve being penalised? what if Schumi cut the chicane? and at last he also DNF. u said he rev his engine too hard? he was up to 6th place after first corner.. up to 5th place after Heifield's speeding in pitlane. Did u see him attacking? Rev engine too hard? bullshit.. |
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Sep 12 2006, 12:59 PM
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The next race in Shanghai will suit Mclaren more as they have better straight speeds as shown in the last race in Monza. Mclaren will be a much more competitive team compared to Renault with Ferrari this time around.
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Sep 12 2006, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(weiheng @ Sep 12 2006, 12:40 PM) i dun know let ppl pass is a must or a courtesy.. when u hv no prob when other team doing it or being penalised but u start to whine when Ferrari is involved.. it's not whether ferrari was involved or not. i'm not a renault fan and i don't really like alonso although i respect him but i'm trying to be objective by stating that the stewards were wrong to penalise him and why i think so. fair or not fair.. he deserved 0 point in this race. He cut the chicane and do u think he deserve being penalised? what if Schumi cut the chicane? and at last he also DNF. u said he rev his engine too hard? he was up to 6th place after first corner.. up to 5th place after Heifield's speeding in pitlane. Did u see him attacking? Rev engine too hard? bullshit.. u however prejudge me unfairly by saying i whine only when ferrari is involved which isn't the case, have tried to justify the steward's cock up in an attempt to "protect" your dear ferrari because they are undoubtedly the beneficiaries of the stewards' cock-up but the fact is i'm not blaming ferrari; i'm blaming the FIA. and then u go on to call alonso's claim bullshit as if u had renault's telemetry to show that alonso wasn't pushing as hard as he could. |
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Sep 12 2006, 01:25 PM
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i rly miss mika...
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Sep 12 2006, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Sep 12 2006, 02:42 AM) NO, what i mean is when the clips is 4:16, watch the start from McLaren. I wonder, back then launch control still being used...correct?IIRC Coulthard is on pole, Michael 2nd and Mika 3rd. Then Coulthard block Michael and Mika just go pass two of them. Wonderful stuff! Perfectly done Surely when I saw Mika's rear tyres smoking...he must be very good with the clutch and 1st gear. I think it happened once in LYN F1C. I was 3rd on the grid...then the pole sitter busy squeezing and blocking the 2nd driver on the grid. I passed both of them from the left and went 1st. Only to be knocked by the pole sitter at turn 1 This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 12 2006, 02:09 PM |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:23 PM
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at least I never see Kimi said he rav the engine too hard from the last post or drop 10 place for engine change..
wat I can see is blaming the the luck.. look @ last year.. yeah.. he blow his engine so many times.. but he do can get into podium from very back of the starting grid... |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 12 2006, 02:23 PM) at least I never see Kimi said he rav the engine too hard from the last post or drop 10 place for engine change.. maybe it's all about personal attitude.wat I can see is blaming the the luck.. look @ last year.. yeah.. he blow his engine so many times.. but he do can get into podium from very back of the starting grid... Alonso with his. Michael with his. Kimi with his. Mika with his. Kimi's more like Mika. I haven't had much time to see Mika in action. Maybe you guys can tell me. I know he's cool but does he ever done things like threwing the steering wheel like Kimi did. or push the stewards like Kimi did? This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 12 2006, 02:30 PM |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:32 PM
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I like Kimi/Mika.. cool.. dont talk non sense..
Frust also cool only.. Kimi engine blow.. walk to grandstand.. take out the clothe.. have drink wt his friend.. watch GP!! |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 12 2006, 02:32 PM) I like Kimi/Mika.. cool.. dont talk non sense.. oh yeah...it seems like 'juz a job'Frust also cool only.. Kimi engine blow.. walk to grandstand.. take out the clothe.. have drink wt his friend.. watch GP!! |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 12 2006, 02:32 PM) I like Kimi/Mika.. cool.. dont talk non sense.. Frust also cool only.. Kimi engine blow.. walk to grandstand.. take out the clothe.. have drink wt his friend.. watch GP!! that's Kimi. forgot to mention...he drank till drunk...then 'gedebush' into the water Unlike Alonso...too obsessed now...then makes a lot of silly mistakes. He's more cooler this season. He knows his world title chase this year is over. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 12 2006, 02:40 PM |
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Sep 12 2006, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 12 2006, 02:39 PM) that's Kimi. forgot to mention...he drank till drunk...then 'gedebush' into the water Unlike Alonso...too obsessed now...then makes a lot of silly mistakes. He's more cooler this season. He knows his world title chase this year is over. |
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Sep 12 2006, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 12 2006, 02:23 PM) at least I never see Kimi said he rav the engine too hard from the last post or drop 10 place for engine change.. Yeah especially during suzuka ...i think he is on the last grid right?? and he manage to win the gp, overtaking fisi at the 1st corner on final lap...that's so so cool wat I can see is blaming the the luck.. look @ last year.. yeah.. he blow his engine so many times.. but he do can get into podium from very back of the starting grid... |
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Sep 12 2006, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 12 2006, 01:04 PM) it's not whether ferrari was involved or not. i'm not a renault fan and i don't really like alonso although i respect him but i'm trying to be objective by stating that the stewards were wrong to penalise him and why i think so. sorry if i prejudge u.. what i can say is FIA is just being consistent with their penalties. I checked back the video involved GF n JV. GF start to wave his hand when it's like more than 100metres behind. And he continues to wave his hand even it's 100metres away. Only until the last part of the video where they go through a very slow corner then their distance close to within 2 metres. I see a same distance or maybe closer in Massa's case. of course Massa didnt wave his hand la.. u however prejudge me unfairly by saying i whine only when ferrari is involved which isn't the case, have tried to justify the steward's cock up in an attempt to "protect" your dear ferrari because they are undoubtedly the beneficiaries of the stewards' cock-up but the fact is i'm not blaming ferrari; i'm blaming the FIA. and then u go on to call alonso's claim bullshit as if u had renault's telemetry to show that alonso wasn't pushing as hard as he could. FIA did that just for 1 reason - business. Seriously they'll do that to who ever 2 teams that is on top, to artificially create a close fight. They did that to Ferrari n Schumi. They did that to Mclaren n Renault. When it involve Ferrari ppl just think it must be a FIA - Ferrari cospiracy theory. Why nobody think it's FIA - Renault cospiracy theory then FIA change rules to end Ferrari's dominance. It just so happened that Ferrari is consistently 1 of the competitive top team. For Alonso's engine, Kubica, Massa n Alonso basically maintain a similar speed from starting until 2nd pit. If other cars engine no prob but only his got prob then it's Renault engine prob. I point out this because somebody saying if not because of that penalty Alonso can win la bla bla bla.. even if he get the pole in qualifying he still have to rev hard to hold Mclaren n Ferrari behind that is obviously faster. His engine gonna blow also.. at the end he deserve 0 point. cheers |
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Sep 12 2006, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(ryosuke @ Sep 12 2006, 06:06 PM) Yeah especially during suzuka ...i think he is on the last grid right?? and he manage to win the gp, overtaking fisi at the 1st corner on final lap...that's so so cool Fisi suxx Smart when Kimi took the outside line and attack the corner in a differ way than Fisi. Kimi quickly learns Fisi driving styles. Such a manouver by Kimi.Bold and perfect. Just like Mika. On the throttle and the brakes...passed Fisi. So kewl Fisi surely crying on the radio McLaren has a better car in 2005. It's the god d*mn reliability  This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 12 2006, 07:01 PM |
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Sep 12 2006, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 12 2006, 02:26 PM) maybe it's all about personal attitude. no mika didn't lose his cool.Alonso with his. Michael with his. Kimi with his. Mika with his. Kimi's more like Mika. I haven't had much time to see Mika in action. Maybe you guys can tell me. I know he's cool but does he ever done things like threwing the steering wheel like Kimi did. or push the stewards like Kimi did? the only time is during monza when he went behind the bushes and cried for crashing out. he's cool even at barcelona when he blew his engine in the last lap while leading. hail to the real flying finn mika |
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Sep 12 2006, 07:47 PM
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Well, Mika was one of the best and he will be remembered as the driver who beat Michael. He is also the original Flying Finn. This nick was not used before his time. He certainly deserves that nick. Hopefully, Kimi will be able to follow his footsteps. Just a sad thing that Kimi does not become a champ with McLaren.
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Sep 13 2006, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 12 2006, 07:47 PM) Well, Mika was one of the best and he will be remembered as the driver who beat Michael. He is also the original Flying Finn. This nick was not used before his time. He certainly deserves that nick. Hopefully, Kimi will be able to follow his footsteps. Just a sad thing that Kimi does not become a champ with McLaren. Yeah.Once joined Ferrari, no way he's gonna change team. Ferrari's so good, even Michael never change teams. Kimi's gonna be the next Michael Schumacher as in winning a lot of world titles. Alonso 'kasi busuk' nama McLaren lah. Haishh... |
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Sep 13 2006, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 13 2006, 12:28 AM) Yeah. it was Michael along with Todt and Brawn that made Ferrari good. they were nowhere before Michael joined them. he never changed teams because he had a passion for the team. Michael is a special driver. to claim Kimi will be the next Michael is premature. Kimi hasn't convinced me that he will be able to repeat what Michael has done with Ferrari or even Benetton.Once joined Ferrari, no way he's gonna change team. Ferrari's so good, even Michael never change teams. Kimi's gonna be the next Michael Schumacher as in winning a lot of world titles. Alonso 'kasi busuk' nama McLaren lah. Haishh... Alonso's attitude is abit of a problem but he has proven that he has the talent to be among the best. I'm sure Ron will be able to give him a few lessons on PR |
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Sep 13 2006, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 13 2006, 10:50 AM) it was Michael along with Todt and Brawn that made Ferrari good. they were nowhere before Michael joined them. he never changed teams because he had a passion for the team. Michael is a special driver. to claim Kimi will be the next Michael is premature. Kimi hasn't convinced me that he will be able to repeat what Michael has done with Ferrari or even Benetton. yeah, his lack of PR skill....he'll talk his heart out without filtering it thru his brain 1st..Alonso's attitude is abit of a problem but he has proven that he has the talent to be among the best. I'm sure Ron will be able to give him a few lessons on PR but v cannot doubt tat kimi is great....coz he's 2nd to WDC during 2004 n 2005 |
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Sep 13 2006, 11:05 AM
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2003 you mean.
But from what I see, there are one driver that I rate higher than Alonso and Kimi right now, and he's not even in F1 yet. He's the Ron Dennis protogee Lewis Hamilton. He just blew the competitors in F3 and GP2. I just hope that he can do the same in F1, as from what I can see, only Fernando and Kimi is worth mentioning next season. No disrespect to other drivers, but they are not usually that consistent as these 2 are. On fernando, I don't think he has any problem with his attitude. I mean he's usually calm and not prone to any outburst, bar the monza's debacle. This was the first time I see him genuinely mad, and I don't really blame him. Weiheng, the JV and Fisi incident, it was less than 100m. use the braking markers to check. This post has been edited by linkinstreet: Sep 13 2006, 11:08 AM |
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Sep 13 2006, 01:08 PM
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we'll see what Lewis Hamilton can do.
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Sep 13 2006, 01:26 PM
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Well, it is very hard to predict Lewis Hamilton's performance. There a lot of racers who didn't do well in F1. I hope he can race well and give McLaren something to cheer about.
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Sep 13 2006, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 13 2006, 01:26 PM) Well, it is very hard to predict Lewis Hamilton's performance. There a lot of racers who didn't do well in F1. I hope he can race well and give McLaren something to cheer about. exactly my point.See Rosberg..so good in GP but bad in F1. Or maybe it's the Williams car that suxx A lot of differ between GP and F1. Anyways, we'll see. Either it's true his good or just talk only. Once hired, given a crappy car...after few years then move to Ferrari again Same old story Remind me of a 'particular' McLaren driver Guess who |
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Sep 13 2006, 10:56 AM) but v cannot doubt tat kimi is great....coz he's 2nd to WDC during 2004 n 2005 no that just proves he lacks something. champions are champions. schumi won 2 world titles with benetton when williams were the faster car. and alonso proved he can win under pressure last season despite having the 2nd best car.now don't get me wrong, i like kimi as a driver and i do see him winning a WDC, but i am one bit not impressed that he went and signed a pre-contract with ferrari so early in the year before mclaren could counter offer. they say actions speak louder than words and so it seems. QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 13 2006, 01:31 PM) exactly my point. u must compare rosberg's performance in comparison to his teammate and i think he has done well.See Rosberg..so good in GP but bad in F1. Or maybe it's the Williams car that suxx A lot of differ between GP and F1. Anyways, we'll see. Either it's true his good or just talk only. Once hired, given a crappy car...after few years then move to Ferrari again Same old story Remind me of a 'particular' McLaren driver Guess who many ppl have said hamilton is really talented, so we'll have to wait and see. and u talk as if ferrari are the only team that drivers want to drive for. in fact with schumi retiring and todt and brawn likely to follow, they might just go back where they were before. the fact is u never know who will have the best car the next season or in the long term. This post has been edited by verx: Sep 13 2006, 02:40 PM |
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QUOTE(tookinen @ Sep 12 2006, 07:22 PM) no mika didn't lose his cool. true. true. the only time is during monza when he went behind the bushes and cried for crashing out. he's cool even at barcelona when he blew his engine in the last lap while leading. hail to the real flying finn mika |
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 13 2006, 02:39 PM) no that just proves he lacks something. champions are champions. schumi won 2 world titles with benetton when williams were the faster car. and alonso proved he can win under pressure last season despite having the 2nd best car. Williams were the faster car when Michael was in Benetton but the problem isnow don't get me wrong, i like kimi as a driver and i do see him winning a WDC, but i am one bit not impressed that he went and signed a pre-contract with ferrari so early in the year before mclaren could counter offer. they say actions speak louder than words and so it seems. u must compare rosberg's performance in comparison to his teammate and i think he has done well. many ppl have said hamilton is really talented, so we'll have to wait and see. and u talk as if ferrari are the only team that drivers want to drive for. in fact with schumi retiring and todt and brawn likely to follow, they might just go back where they were before. the fact is u never know who will have the best car the next season or in the long term. Williams has no drivers as good as Senna. Williams started to get the game back up in San Marino but tragically the car has a lot of problems and Senna died because of it. Some say the car's too low on the ground in order to get more speed. Also, Hill with Williams nearly won the title of not because of Michaels controversial manouver on Hill in Austrllia 1994. It was a close fight. Rosberg performance compare to whom? Mark Webber? IMHO, Webber performed better. More points than Rosberg. Bold text. actually, most drivers would love to drive for Ferrari. Fast cars...high budget..who wouldn't? |
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 13 2006, 05:02 PM) Williams were the faster car when Michael was in Benetton but the problem is all the cars were very low back then...it was only after senna's death that safety measures were given more importance. and controversial or not, michael was considered still a rookie then. i personally don't know how ppl can claim he's been a great sportsman but that's just me Williams has no drivers as good as Senna. Williams started to get the game back up in San Marino but tragically the car has a lot of problems and Senna died because of it. Some say the car's too low on the ground in order to get more speed. Also, Hill with Williams nearly won the title of not because of Michaels controversial manouver on Hill in Austrllia 1994. It was a close fight. QUOTE Rosberg performance compare to whom? u have a point. but i still think he's done quite well with a very poor williams car.Mark Webber? IMHO, Webber performed better. More points than Rosberg. QUOTE Bold text. currently, yes of course they have the fastest car and biggest budget, but who's to say they will have the fastest car for the next 5 years? all i'm saying is if McLaren has the fastest car next season, won't it make Kimi look stupid? actually, most drivers would love to drive for Ferrari. Fast cars...high budget..who wouldn't? it's not like McLaren doesn't have a big budget |
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 13 2006, 02:39 PM) now don't get me wrong, i like kimi as a driver and i do see him winning a WDC, but i am one bit not impressed that he went and signed a pre-contract with ferrari so early in the year before mclaren could counter offer. they say actions speak louder than words and so it seems. |
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Sep 13 2006, 06:10 PM
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wow.. sound so pro.. how u know McLaren never ask him for futhur contract before Ferarri Sign him?
come on.. talk fact.. where is the pre-contract? Todt clearly said that is no pre-contract.. and when he sign.. that is a contract.. |
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Sep 13 2006, 06:26 PM
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I dont think Kimi made the wrong move. I dont doubt McLaren is capable of making a fast car but Ferrari record for the past 5 years speaks for themselves. Simply said, they are pretty consistent except for year 2005 where there were no tyre changes. But now tyre change is back and they are back as well. Im pretty confident that Kimi or Massa will win WDC. As for Apelonso, I really like to see what he can do with a silver car. I hope he didnt come out n report launch control not as good as renault or i cant stomp the brakes late (like barrichello).
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Sep 13 2006, 07:00 PM
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Funny thing is... Ok wait... Both my bro's support Renault and I support McLaren.... They kept making fun that Kimi doesnt get to complete races, always engine blow and all..... So juz the day before the race, they made fun again, saying that theres no point Kimi on pole, he will crash/engine blow and all.... Turns out, Alonso kena on Sunday..... Not Kimi.....
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Sep 13 2006, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(almattitude_v1 @ Sep 13 2006, 07:00 PM) Funny thing is... Ok wait... Both my bro's support Renault and I support McLaren.... They kept making fun that Kimi doesnt get to complete races, always engine blow and all..... So juz the day before the race, they made fun again, saying that theres no point Kimi on pole, he will crash/engine blow and all.... Turns out, Alonso kena on Sunday..... Not Kimi..... yeah, my sis is kimi supporter, not mclaren....but whenever kimi drive...my sis is oso worrying whether can he actually complete d race safely a not....v juz need to admit tat their car is not reliable... renault DNF last sunday is a BONUS... |
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Sep 13 2006, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Sep 13 2006, 06:26 PM) I dont think Kimi made the wrong move. I dont doubt McLaren is capable of making a fast car but Ferrari record for the past 5 years speaks for themselves. Simply said, they are pretty consistent except for year 2005 where there were no tyre changes. But now tyre change is back and they are back as well. Im pretty confident that Kimi or Massa will win WDC. As for Apelonso, I really like to see what he can do with a silver car. I hope he didnt come out n report launch control not as good as renault or i cant stomp the brakes late (like barrichello). Yea..the record already give some confidence. Ferrari, by far, has the biggest budget. The No.1 driver also get fat cash and good car. These certainly looks very attractive to Kimi. Hopefully, Apelonso wont be another Montoya.. If he really speaks 'funny', it will be very embarrassing for Mclaren. |
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Sep 13 2006, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Sep 13 2006, 06:26 PM) I dont think Kimi made the wrong move. I dont doubt McLaren is capable of making a fast car but Ferrari record for the past 5 years speaks for themselves. Simply said, they are pretty consistent except for year 2005 where there were no tyre changes. But now tyre change is back and they are back as well. Im pretty confident that Kimi or Massa will win WDC. As for Apelonso, I really like to see what he can do with a silver car. I hope he didnt come out n report launch control not as good as renault or i cant stomp the brakes late (like barrichello). Exactly Correction...no disrespect but Massa won't win the WDC QUOTE(almattitude_v1 @ Sep 13 2006, 07:00 PM) Funny thing is... Ok wait... Both my bro's support Renault and I support McLaren.... They kept making fun that Kimi doesnt get to complete races, always engine blow and all..... So juz the day before the race, they made fun again, saying that theres no point Kimi on pole, he will crash/engine blow and all.... Turns out, Alonso kena on Sunday..... Not Kimi..... no offence but your brother's critism was not a concrete counter debate.deep inside they're worried...2 points gap with Michael and already behind on WCC What did you do to them when Alonso got 'smoked' by his own engine? This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 13 2006, 10:17 PM |
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Sep 13 2006, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 13 2006, 06:10 PM) wow.. sound so pro.. how u know McLaren never ask him for futhur contract before Ferarri Sign him? u know u could actually contribute positively instead of trying to be an ass.come on.. talk fact.. where is the pre-contract? Todt clearly said that is no pre-contract.. and when he sign.. that is a contract.. todt obviously claims there isn't any pre-contract. it's one of the things that go on behind the scenes and it's hard for us fans to know exactly what is going on. but u must remember it was no secret kimi didn't have any contract from 2007 onwards so he having signed a pre-contract is not impossible and not illegal. the best way is to take it from a third party. flavio briatore had claimed before the race he tried to sign kimi and failed because kimi had already signed a contract with ferrari. so take it as what u will. |
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Sep 14 2006, 07:50 AM
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Frig hell no....Massa winning the WDC?!! He may be a good driver,but to maintain that composure during a entire F1 calender.....I seriously doubt it.
The possible champions for next year are: Kimi (DUH!) Alonso Button Kubrica (BMW need to maintain the car) Heidfield Rosberg Barichello and maybe.... Massa oh crap what the hell do I know...x-p |
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Sep 14 2006, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(praetorian @ Sep 14 2006, 07:50 AM) Frig hell no....Massa winning the WDC?!! He may be a good driver,but to maintain that composure during a entire F1 calender.....I seriously doubt it. kimi looks cute wit red... The possible champions for next year are: Kimi (DUH!) Alonso Button Kubrica (BMW need to maintain the car) Heidfield Rosberg Barichello and maybe.... Massa oh crap what the hell do I know...x-p |
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Sep 14 2006, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(praetorian @ Sep 14 2006, 07:50 AM) Frig hell no....Massa winning the WDC?!! He may be a good driver,but to maintain that composure during a entire F1 calender.....I seriously doubt it. Massa won't win the WDC.The possible champions for next year are: Kimi (DUH!) Alonso Button Kubrica (BMW need to maintain the car) Heidfield Rosberg Barichello and maybe.... Massa oh crap what the hell do I know...x-p But, there's a possibility that he'll finish 2nd (all because of the Ferrari he is driving) If he kept his performance like now. But I think he lack of focus. He does'nt seem to push it...or maybe on certain track he's quite good. your siggy Alonso need to get a haircut like Kimi, so that he'll look good in a McLaren outfit. Impressive superimposed though This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 14 2006, 02:06 PM |
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Sep 14 2006, 02:09 PM
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Kimi next year cannot wear Tag hauer liao.. have to wear Omega liao??
better.. |
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Sep 14 2006, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 14 2006, 02:09 PM) Kimi next year cannot wear Tag hauer liao.. have to wear Omega liao?? Haha..He might not wear Tag Heuer. Then we might also see Kimi's face at Shell petrol stations. better.. This post has been edited by car_o_scope: Sep 14 2006, 10:06 PM |
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Sep 14 2006, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 14 2006, 04:57 PM) Haha..He might wear Tag Heuer. Then we might also see Kimi's face at Shell petrol stations. ms face oso not in shell wat... |
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Sep 14 2006, 05:42 PM
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few years back saw Coultard/Mika in Mobile..
u guys remember Mika/Coultard minum kopi advertisement?? |
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Sep 14 2006, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 14 2006, 05:42 PM) few years back saw Coultard/Mika in Mobile.. Oh ..I remember.. That was Siemens advertisement.. There were a few versions.. One was the Coulthard going to the barber.. u guys remember Mika/Coultard minum kopi advertisement?? |
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Sep 14 2006, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 14 2006, 05:42 PM) few years back saw Coultard/Mika in Mobile.. This AD is cool. u guys remember Mika/Coultard minum kopi advertisement?? |
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Sep 14 2006, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Sep 14 2006, 05:09 PM) ms face oso not in shell wat... I think he did.. but for a very short period only.. got tv ad some more ..he spoke german in the ad. |
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Sep 14 2006, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 14 2006, 05:42 PM) few years back saw Coultard/Mika in Mobile.. yeah u guys remember Mika/Coultard minum kopi advertisement?? Mika: One expresso please. Waiter:...(Looking at Mika) Mika: Yes? Waiter: Why did you leave the race? Mika: I did'nt. I'm still in it. McLaren on their prime. Surely Michael was 5 minutes behind, even Mika can have a coffee break So slow Ferrari back then huh? QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 14 2006, 06:24 PM) Oh ..I remember.. That was Siemens advertisement.. There were a few versions.. One was the Coulthard going to the barber.. I remember that...but not in detail as Mika's ad.This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 14 2006, 10:52 PM |
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Sep 14 2006, 11:06 PM
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I remember this better than Coultard one too.. can find Coultard one??
If I am not mistaken.. Coultard one.. he is sitting outside / roadside.. right?? |
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Sep 15 2006, 12:20 PM
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DC was shaving at the Spa Franchorchamps
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Sep 15 2006, 01:06 PM
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Did you guys see the ad with Kimi and Juan Pablo?
Its pretty hilarious :-p Enjoy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97BUZ9t22LY |
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Sep 15 2006, 01:11 PM
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What is the photocopier?
QUOTE(praetorian @ Sep 15 2006, 01:06 PM) Did you guys see the ad with Kimi and Juan Pablo? Its pretty hilarious :-p Enjoy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97BUZ9t22LY |
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Sep 15 2006, 01:55 PM
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I think in '08 Lewis will be ready for F1. And that when the whole fun will start.
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Sep 15 2006, 03:41 PM
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what did shumie said to kimi on the last podium?
 p/s sorry, ferrari guy passing bye |
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Sep 15 2006, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(praetorian @ Sep 15 2006, 01:06 PM) Did you guys see the ad with Kimi and Juan Pablo? Its pretty hilarious :-p Enjoy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97BUZ9t22LY Saw that a long time ago. Either making fun of Kimi or people rarely heard the term photocopier |
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Sep 15 2006, 11:58 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEFeWyNTNsE
tribute to kimi.....ade jugak  i hate to say this, but he surely will explode with ferrari next year..with a reliable car i'm sure alonso will find it another difficult year.....and to forget that kubica guy...wow, am i thinking he's gonna be a hit..hope he doesnt to turn out to be like nico rosberg kimi winning trade mark : both hand in the air after the chequed flag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA3Ozle3rvo (imagine him in red )p/s no , im not a kimi fan.......im just a ferrari fan speaking of our future driver...  |
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Sep 16 2006, 12:01 AM
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Sep 16 2006, 02:44 AM
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QUOTE(pilotHans @ Sep 15 2006, 11:58 PM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEFeWyNTNsE God I'm gonna miss Kimi in a McLaren.tribute to kimi.....ade jugak i hate to say this, but he surely will explode with ferrari next year..with a reliable car i'm sure alonso will find it another difficult year.....and to forget that kubica guy...wow, am i thinking he's gonna be a hit..hope he doesnt to turn out to be like nico rosberg kimi winning trade mark : both hand in the air after the chequed flag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA3Ozle3rvo (imagine him in red )p/s no , im not a kimi fan.......im just a ferrari fan speaking of our future driver... Damn McLaren...why can't you give Kimi a better car? Come to think of it, I support the driver compare to the team Ayrton Senna, Mika Hakkinen...now Kimi Raikkonen. But Senna tops it all. Very good in any conditions...dry and rain...in rain...he is the master. Even Schumacher can't match Senna in the rain. |
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Sep 16 2006, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 16 2006, 02:44 AM) God I'm gonna miss Kimi in a McLaren. I think most of the McLaren fans are more driver sided.. I think we are both thinking the same way.. ha ha.. Damn McLaren...why can't you give Kimi a better car? Come to think of it, I support the driver compare to the team Ayrton Senna, Mika Hakkinen...now Kimi Raikkonen. But Senna tops it all. Very good in any conditions...dry and rain...in rain...he is the master. Even Schumacher can't match Senna in the rain. |
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Sep 16 2006, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Sep 16 2006, 09:58 AM) I think most of the McLaren fans are more driver sided.. I think we are both thinking the same way.. ha ha.. i think every team has supporters that just support their drivers...Schumi for one has alot of fans from germany who would claim they support ferrariand the sudden surge in the number of renault fans definitely has something to do with alonso winning the WDC title. i say, speak for yourself, just don't assume for everyone else |
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Sep 16 2006, 03:20 PM
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I'm still a McLaren fan, no matter who drive, but I also will support a good driver, no matter which team they drive. Heidfeld, Button, and Rubens are high on my non McLaren driver chart
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Sep 17 2006, 11:29 AM
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If Ferrari is as good as this year, I think Kimi will be on his way to claim the WDC. Kimi is talented and that's no doubt in it. Too bad that he is leaving
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Sep 17 2006, 11:54 AM
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thats y i said its a great loss to let kimi go but who can blame him coz two times he almost get the world champion but the car provide by mclaren go problem.
haiz....... hope mclaren will improve their car in the future so that can challege the title again |
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Sep 17 2006, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(praetorian @ Sep 15 2006, 01:06 PM) Did you guys see the ad with Kimi and Juan Pablo? what is photocopier?Its pretty hilarious :-p Enjoy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97BUZ9t22LY |
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Sep 17 2006, 06:51 PM
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I also cannot get the meaning of the advertisement.. photocopier? Can anyone explain?
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Sep 17 2006, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 15 2006, 06:44 PM) God I'm gonna miss Kimi in a McLaren. I have the same way as well..Damn McLaren...why can't you give Kimi a better car? Come to think of it, I support the driver compare to the team Ayrton Senna, Mika Hakkinen...now Kimi Raikkonen. But Senna tops it all. Very good in any conditions...dry and rain...in rain...he is the master. Even Schumacher can't match Senna in the rain. I supported mclaren because of Senna, Mika and Kimi.. Now than Kimi is joining Ferrari.. what a great lost for Mclaren and I cant imagine Kimi in that red outfit. If Ferarri as compatitive as this year, I am pretty sure title is on the way to KIMI!! This guy has so much to give out.. I am thinking, what would alonsa says if Kimi wins the title? After monza he was saying Schumy is the most unsporting driver..bla bla bla.. May be if Kimi wins the title, Alonso will be blaming Mclaren's car.. |
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Sep 18 2006, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 17 2006, 09:24 PM) I have the same way as well.. Ayrton Senna joined McLaren in 1988 and won the 1988 WDC I supported mclaren because of Senna, Mika and Kimi.. Now than Kimi is joining Ferrari.. what a great lost for Mclaren and I cant imagine Kimi in that red outfit. If Ferarri as compatitive as this year, I am pretty sure title is on the way to KIMI!! This guy has so much to give out.. I am thinking, what would alonsa says if Kimi wins the title? After monza he was saying Schumy is the most unsporting driver..bla bla bla.. May be if Kimi wins the title, Alonso will be blaming Mclaren's car.. We'll see whether Lewis Hamilton can do the same when he join McLaren one day. Of course, he needs to be good in dry and the wet as well. Senna fly in the wet...can you believe that? If Kimi won the WDC with Ferrari...then he's better than Michael. Michael joined Ferrari in 1996 and finally won his 1st WDC with Ferrari in 2000. Imagine if Kimi joined Ferrari instead of Sauber on his debut for Formula 1? I bet Alonso won't have nothing so say about Kimi when Kimi won it. Kimi never had any problems with anyone since joining Formula 1. He's cool...that's why they call him the Iceman. Mika = fyling finn, Kimi = Iceman...correct? Besides, Kimi won't do controversial act that Michael did the past and present. I really hope that Ferrari does not destroy Kimi's reputation by whining to FIA everytime like they did till now. If it favors Ferrari, then it would just allowing Alonso's bad mouth Kimi the way he did to Michael. Let Massa do it like he did at Monza, don't give a damn about him. Kimi leads the way This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 18 2006, 12:34 AM |
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Sep 18 2006, 04:06 AM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 17 2006, 04:30 PM) Ayrton Senna joined McLaren in 1988 and won the 1988 WDC I really hope Kimi will get the title in his first season with Ferrari... What more can I say about this finnish Iceman.. I just love to see him every time he drives.. his brave and talent on every races he drives. We'll see whether Lewis Hamilton can do the same when he join McLaren one day. Of course, he needs to be good in dry and the wet as well. Senna fly in the wet...can you believe that? If Kimi won the WDC with Ferrari...then he's better than Michael. Michael joined Ferrari in 1996 and finally won his 1st WDC with Ferrari in 2000. Imagine if Kimi joined Ferrari instead of Sauber on his debut for Formula 1? I bet Alonso won't have nothing so say about Kimi when Kimi won it. Kimi never had any problems with anyone since joining Formula 1. He's cool...that's why they call him the Iceman. Mika = fyling finn, Kimi = Iceman...correct? Besides, Kimi won't do controversial act that Michael did the past and present. I really hope that Ferrari does not destroy Kimi's reputation by whining to FIA everytime like they did till now. If it favors Ferrari, then it would just allowing Alonso's bad mouth Kimi the way he did to Michael.Let Massa do it like he did at Monza, don't give a damn about him. Kimi leads the way Yes, I agree with you that Kimi wont do controversial act what Michael did.. and hopefully this will go on while he is in Ferrari. Otherwise, it will just give Alonso's bad mouth a chance to say bad thing about Kimi. |
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Sep 18 2006, 06:52 AM
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Kimi will not be better than MS. He is good, but not as good.
MS built the Ferrari to what it's today. Kimi just inherited the car. Same as what Rossi is doing to Honda and Yamaha |
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Sep 18 2006, 09:03 AM
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As a team leader, yes, Kimi will never be as good as Schummi, who can make a team revolve around him. but as a driver, I think for a guy who just have one year of single seater race experience prior to F1 and immedieatly becomes a front runner even in a car that is slow (remember '03? when he used a one year old car to challenge schummi to the title?) is a very good driver. Thus I'll say this. As a driver he's better than Schummi. Next season should be a good battle between him and Alonso. and in '08 we might see Lewis Hamilton in the fray
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Sep 18 2006, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 18 2006, 12:30 AM) If Kimi won the WDC with Ferrari...then he's better than Michael. This just proves that u know nothing about F1. Michael didn't win his title till 2000 because Ferrari were a lousy team and they had to build from scratch. Kimi would NEVER in his lifetime emulate what Michael did with Ferrari. It's like if Kimi won a WDC with Sauber. (OK that was an exaggeration but u get the point)Michael joined Ferrari in 1996 and finally won his 1st WDC with Ferrari in 2000. Imagine if Kimi joined Ferrari instead of Sauber on his debut for Formula 1? QUOTE(fariz @ Sep 18 2006, 06:52 AM) Kimi will not be better than MS. He is good, but not as good. Exactly my point. Some ppl just don't get it MS built the Ferrari to what it's today. Kimi just inherited the car. Same as what Rossi is doing to Honda and Yamaha |
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Sep 18 2006, 11:42 AM
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KR & MS are good drivers but we really cannot compare about KR getting WDC faster than MS did in Ferrari... cars, technologies and rules are all different.. Anyway, we shd sit back and enjoy the remaining 2 races in 2006 and wait for 2007.
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Sep 18 2006, 11:56 AM
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we will suffering for few month coz new season will start on march 2007.
for we is long period but for the f1 team maybe short coz they need to improve everything to keep the car fast n stable. hope new year will be a great grand prix to every driver but more important is mclaren's driven coz all here is mclaren's fans |
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Sep 18 2006, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 14 2006, 10:45 PM) yeah hahaha classic ad Mika: One expresso please. Waiter:...(Looking at Mika) Mika: Yes? Waiter: Why did you leave the race? Mika: I did'nt. I'm still in it. McLaren on their prime. Surely Michael was 5 minutes behind, even Mika can have a coffee break use 2 c that ad in tv3 during season 2000  |
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Sep 18 2006, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 18 2006, 09:03 AM) As a team leader, yes, Kimi will never be as good as Schummi, who can make a team revolve around him. but as a driver, I think for a guy who just have one year of single seater race experience prior to F1 and immedieatly becomes a front runner even in a car that is slow (remember '03? when he used a one year old car to challenge schummi to the title?) is a very good driver. Thus I'll say this. As a driver he's better than Schummi. Next season should be a good battle between him and Alonso. and in '08 we might see Lewis Hamilton in the fray That makes two (2) of us.I think Massa might be in it too. Ferrari has a fast car. No disrespect but is Hamilton were as good as Senna during his early racing life? If yes, then he might make an impact in Formula 1 in 2008. QUOTE(verx @ Sep 18 2006, 11:06 AM) This just proves that u know nothing about F1. Michael didn't win his title till 2000 because Ferrari were a lousy team and they had to build from scratch. Kimi would NEVER in his lifetime emulate what Michael did with Ferrari. It's like if Kimi won a WDC with Sauber. (OK that was an exaggeration but u get the point) It makes me sick when people here calling names, patronizing, flamebaitingExactly my point. Some ppl just don't get it calling others 'an ass' etc. Let's make a decent discussion here. Educate ourselves here: Formula 1 Results Archive (1950 / 2006) Michael got 2nd place in the WDC twice...1997 and 1998. Quite competitive in 1996 and 1999. I don't think Ferrari has a lousy car with all those achievements. That's just a lame excuse. The points were quite close. Kimi haven't race in a Ferrari yet and you already patronizing him. Go Kimi...broke all Schumi's record and let your driving do the talking. Had enough with Schumi. Glad he retires. Sometimes he makes me sick Kimi all the way. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 18 2006, 04:16 PM |
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Sep 18 2006, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 18 2006, 03:40 PM) That makes two (2) of us. Good say brother.. only idiot will call people idiot.. and only an ass will call people ass... I think Massa might be in it too. Ferrari has a fast car. It makes me sick when people here calling names, patronizing, flamebaiting calling others 'an ass' etc. Let's make a decent discussion here. Educate ourselves here: Formula 1 Results Archive (1950 / 2006) Michael got 2nd place in the WDC twice...1997 and 1998. Quite competitive in 1996 and 1999. I don't think Ferrari has a lousy car with all those achievements. That's just a lame excuse. The points were quite close. Kimi haven't race in a Ferrari yet and you already patronizing him. Go Kimi...broke all Schumi's record and let your driving do the talking. Had enough with Schumi. Glad he retires. Sometimes he makes me sick Kimi all the way. He sound we all know nothing about F1.. and he know everything about F1.. oh man.. cool.. he don't even talk fact that saying Ferarri giving a pre-contract to Kimi... wow.. know so much about F1.. yeah! |
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Sep 18 2006, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 18 2006, 04:14 PM) Good say brother.. only idiot will call people idiot.. and only an ass will call people ass... Attitude...it's all about attitude.He sound we all know nothing about F1.. and he know everything about F1.. oh man.. cool.. he don't even talk fact that saying Ferarri giving a pre-contract to Kimi... wow.. know so much about F1.. yeah! I can counter though but then it would never ends In the end, moderators will suspend account etc. I choose not to experience that anymore 30% is enough for me |
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Sep 18 2006, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 18 2006, 04:19 PM) Attitude...it's all about attitude. I agree wt u 100%.. I can counter though but then it would never ends In the end, moderators will suspend account etc. I choose not to experience that anymore 30% is enough for me atitude..u are right.. as u see.. I try not to counter as well.. I am 0% anyway.. |
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Sep 18 2006, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 18 2006, 03:40 PM) It makes me sick when people here calling names, patronizing, flamebaiting It makes me sick when i get accused for nothing. Your comment earlier was a ridiculous assumption and i just gave my opinion on it.calling others 'an ass' etc. Let's make a decent discussion here. Educate ourselves here: Formula 1 Results Archive (1950 / 2006) Michael got 2nd place in the WDC twice...1997 and 1998. Quite competitive in 1996 and 1999. I don't think Ferrari has a lousy car with all those achievements. That's just a lame excuse. The points were quite close. Kimi haven't race in a Ferrari yet and you already patronizing him. Go Kimi...broke all Schumi's record and let your driving do the talking. Had enough with Schumi. Glad he retires. Sometimes he makes me sick Kimi all the way. The only reason why Ferrari were better in 1996 onwards was because Schumi went to the team but Ferrari were by no means competitive before that. The circumstances are so different if u want to compare to now where Kimi is joining a very competitive team which should be challenging for the title next season. I'm not patronizing Kimi, I'm just stating that Kimi won't be able to emulate what Schumi did regardless how good a driver Kimi is. I've always like Kimi since his Sauber days but he's no Schumi. QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 18 2006, 04:14 PM) Good say brother.. only idiot will call people idiot.. and only an ass will call people ass... pfft...What a cheap shot....your post is as hypocritical as it gets. You have contributed nothing at all to this thread, preferring to flamebait ppl here. When u come up with something better then post here.He sound we all know nothing about F1.. and he know everything about F1.. oh man.. cool.. he don't even talk fact that saying Ferarri giving a pre-contract to Kimi... wow.. know so much about F1.. yeah! This post has been edited by verx: Sep 18 2006, 05:00 PM |
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Sep 18 2006, 05:43 PM
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actually, saying that kimi will be better den ms if he wins nex year is overstating it..comparing, when ms went into ferrari, ferrari was bout midfield runner..bnut kimi's now moving into a top team..so, saying that it took ms 2 yrs to win the wdc, compared to if kimi wins nex year is not d same..if kimi were to enter say...sauber or williams, and win the wdc, den ok..game on, can compare..imo..
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Sep 18 2006, 06:46 PM
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Lewis H. is talented. If DLR gets to keep his seat, then we will be seeing Lewis in 2008. Chances is slim for DLR, though.
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Sep 18 2006, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(shauno @ Sep 18 2006, 05:43 PM) actually, saying that kimi will be better den ms if he wins nex year is overstating it..comparing, when ms went into ferrari, ferrari was bout midfield runner..bnut kimi's now moving into a top team..so, saying that it took ms 2 yrs to win the wdc, compared to if kimi wins nex year is not d same..if kimi were to enter say...sauber or williams, and win the wdc, den ok..game on, can compare..imo.. No disrespect but I think you are a Schumi fanatic.If critised Schumi a bit...then immediately don't agree etc. Better stay at the Ferrari thread. All good and nice about Schumi and Ferrari. I think McLaren fans won't easily get jumpy when I say that Kimi better than Schumi. He is better IMHO. No controversial act so far...just like Mika. QUOTE(htkaki @ Sep 18 2006, 06:46 PM) Lewis H. is talented. If DLR gets to keep his seat, then we will be seeing Lewis in 2008. Chances is slim for DLR, though. Yeah.DLR not really up to it. I guess some drivers were gifted..and some are not. Ayrton Senna was a gifted one. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 18 2006, 07:04 PM |
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Sep 18 2006, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 18 2006, 07:01 PM) No disrespect but I think you are a Schumi fanatic. interesting u say this..i can't stand schumi's guts...but i have to hand it to him..he's broken evry single record in the books, as dirty as he is..If critised Schumi a bit...then immediately don't agree etc. Better stay at the Ferrari thread. All good and nice about Schumi and Ferrari. |
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Sep 18 2006, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(shauno @ Sep 18 2006, 07:25 PM) interesting u say this..i can't stand schumi's guts...but i have to hand it to him..he's broken evry single record in the books, as dirty as he is.. I feel the exact same way. As controversial as Schumi has been, he has been the best driver.And don't mind the Kimi fanboy. Criticise Kimi abit...immediately don't agree He should go to Ferrari thread and start warming up to the ppl there since that's where he'll be spending most of his time praising his idol. I wonder how the Ferrari fans over there will take to him. and he should bring his cheerleader BuFung along as well |
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Sep 18 2006, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(shauno @ Sep 18 2006, 07:25 PM) interesting u say this..i can't stand schumi's guts...but i have to hand it to him..he's broken evry single record in the books, as dirty as he is.. dirty? Finally you admit it Some Schumi fans won't admit it. They see black as white That's why I don't like him. Yes he's a great driver...but by crook? Not my thing. Is this McLaren thread of Ferrari thread? Let's continue talking about McLaren. Ferrari fans...Ferrari thread is just around the corner verx, I'm ignoring you now This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 18 2006, 09:59 PM |
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Sep 18 2006, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 18 2006, 09:57 PM) verx, Smartest thing u've said all day. I'm ignoring you now |
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QUOTE(fariz @ Sep 17 2006, 10:52 PM) Kimi will not be better than MS. He is good, but not as good. You cant compare the two drivers, they are different.. nowadays, you are not only looking at their skills, but also rely on a reliable car. Look at last season.. Mclaren and Renault were so strong.. because they have got a better package and tyre. It is impossible to compare them. MS built the Ferrari to what it's today. Kimi just inherited the car. Same as what Rossi is doing to Honda and Yamaha MS built the Ferrari? Mm.. sorry, I dont quite agree with that statement. A good driver needs a good car to race on. Put it this way, they need each other to build a better team. |
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Sep 18 2006, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 18 2006, 10:54 PM) MS built the Ferrari? Mm.. sorry, I dont quite agree with that statement. A good driver needs a good car to race on. Put it this way, they need each other to build a better team. A good driver definitely needs a good car but fariz isn't wrong to say that MS brought Ferrari to where they are now. When he went to Ferrari with his team from Benetton (Todt, Brawn, etc) he was tasked to change their fortunes; Ferrari hadn't won anything for a very very very (hehe) long time. Needless to say, he succeeded with aplomb (after a few years of course) and he deserves all the success he has had. |
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Sep 18 2006, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 18 2006, 10:54 PM) You cant compare the two drivers, they are different.. nowadays, you are not only looking at their skills, but also rely on a reliable car. Look at last season.. Mclaren and Renault were so strong.. because they have got a better package and tyre. It is impossible to compare them. Yes.MS built the Ferrari? Mm.. sorry, I dont quite agree with that statement. A good driver needs a good car to race on. Put it this way, they need each other to build a better team. Good driver + reliable car = success. Always two..a master and an apprentice Seriously, both needed one another. See how Kimi was so close to become world champ in 2005? If not because of reliability issues. Ayrton Senna were able to handle a crappy car efficiently. So as Kimi. |
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Sep 19 2006, 12:15 AM
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I'll say schummi is a good driver, but still not the best. His acheivements are overhyped. for one, all of his records are set when F1 drivers have more races to drive, and more points to gain. Remember that during the times of Prost and Senna, winners will only get 9 points. Now they got 10.
Thus the only thing that he really can boast about is Win/GP entered. Look at the comparison of Poles Schummi - 68/247 = 27% Senna - 65/162 = 40%!!! the numbrs does not tell the bigger picture. Fangio won 5 WC when he was near 50! If F1 had started earlier than 1950, he could have easily won more. Not to mention that he also raced in many more races like the Mille Migilia rally. Schummi cannot compare to that. |
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Sep 19 2006, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 19 2006, 12:15 AM) I'll say schummi is a good driver, but still not the best. His acheivements are overhyped. for one, all of his records are set when F1 drivers have more races to drive, and more points to gain. Remember that during the times of Prost and Senna, winners will only get 9 points. Now they got 10. Impressive conclusion.Thus the only thing that he really can boast about is Win/GP entered. Look at the comparison of Poles Schummi - 68/247 = 27% Senna - 65/162 = 40%!!! the numbrs does not tell the bigger picture. Fangio won 5 WC when he was near 50! If F1 had started earlier than 1950, he could have easily won more. Not to mention that he also raced in many more races like the Mille Migilia rally. Schummi cannot compare to that. The quality of Senna's record. Superb. Also, Michael broke those records after Prost retired and Senna died. We cannot lie to ourselves by saying those two were not the best. They were legends. If they continue racing and Senna did not die...we can never know how Michael do. Anyways, the past is the past. In my heart (and I bet others too) Michael is not the best. Ayrton Senna is. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 19 2006, 12:31 AM |
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Sep 19 2006, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 19 2006, 12:15 AM) I'll say schummi is a good driver, but still not the best. His acheivements are overhyped. for one, all of his records are set when F1 drivers have more races to drive, and more points to gain. Remember that during the times of Prost and Senna, winners will only get 9 points. Now they got 10. I agree with u there.Thus the only thing that he really can boast about is Win/GP entered. Look at the comparison of Poles Schummi - 68/247 = 27% Senna - 65/162 = 40%!!! the numbrs does not tell the bigger picture. Fangio won 5 WC when he was near 50! If F1 had started earlier than 1950, he could have easily won more. Not to mention that he also raced in many more races like the Mille Migilia rally. Schummi cannot compare to that. His records and numbers are overblown with the current structure of F1. It's the reason why i don't care so much for records. Do i think Schumi was better than Prost or Senna? Hell no. But no one will deny he has been the best driver of the modern era which was the point i was trying to make earlier. edit: also a big point to note is that during the earlier years it was much more dangerous to drive and the racers were really heroes in a sense to put their lives at risk for their love of the sport This post has been edited by verx: Sep 19 2006, 12:37 AM |
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Sep 19 2006, 04:23 PM
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The tendency of getting killed in F1 is high in the past. But, thanks to current safety standard, rules and technology, it has indeed becomes safer.
Schuey might be one of the best if not the best. But, he equally has some many incidents and 'dark sides' that might not go down well with some of the F1 fans. There are a lot 'if'. What if the accident didnt happen on Senna? What if this and what if that...... but, facts still remain, which no one can change. For that, you need someone who is better than him to break all his records. Time will tell. *passing teh o ais to all heated forummers here* Cheers, bro. |
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Sep 19 2006, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 18 2006, 03:49 PM) A good driver definitely needs a good car but fariz isn't wrong to say that MS brought Ferrari to where they are now. When he went to Ferrari with his team from Benetton (Todt, Brawn, etc) he was tasked to change their fortunes; Ferrari hadn't won anything for a very very very (hehe) long time. Needless to say, he succeeded with aplomb (after a few years of course) and he deserves all the success he has had. I didnt say that fariz is wrong, I am just not quite agree with his/her statement. Look back at what had happened last year, when Ferrari suffering from the tyre problem. People are questioning his skills compared to Mclaren and Renault that had better package to race on.. It is obvious, a car is definitely require to every drivers out there. Technology is growing everyday.. take Ipod for example, last year they have ipod video, and this year Ipod shuffle mini. It's the same thing applies to Ferrari, their car is getting better and better.. if there is no improvement, there is definitely no ferrari today. We are not comparing the old days he had in Benetton, back at that time driver still not quite rely heavily on the realiability of car. every team sports that we are talking now is not only a one man team, but a TEAM! One man shows is not going to work things out... I agree with linkinstreet, Schumy is a good driver, but he is not yet the best in F1. |
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Sep 19 2006, 04:34 PM
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I do agree with u, Kimmy on some of your points. One man cant work magic. Say, if MS was in the now-defunt Arrows, I dont think he got the magic to turn that team around and clinch the championship.
You needs tonnes of $$$$ in F1 to develop a good competitive car. You need some talented engineers, aerodynamic specialists, strategists like R Brawn, and so forth to build up a good team. Just like McLaren in the golden days. Then, the tyre issue. A bad tyres will slow the car down. Just like the miserable 2005 for Ferrari. To say 1 person's acheivement is rather inappropriate. 'Team Work' isn't said for fun. Dont think Rambo can 'kawtim' all of his heavily armed enemies by himself too. Cheers. |
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Sep 19 2006, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 19 2006, 04:23 PM) I didnt say that fariz is wrong, I am just not quite agree with his/her statement. I don't think anyone questioned his skills. It was pretty clear Ferrari didn't have a good package last year. Look back at what had happened last year, when Ferrari suffering from the tyre problem. People are questioning his skills compared to Mclaren and Renault that had better package to race on.. It is obvious, a car is definitely require to every drivers out there. Technology is growing everyday.. take Ipod for example, last year they have ipod video, and this year Ipod shuffle mini. It's the same thing applies to Ferrari, their car is getting better and better.. if there is no improvement, there is definitely no ferrari today. We are not comparing the old days he had in Benetton, back at that time driver still not quite rely heavily on the realiability of car. every team sports that we are talking now is not only a one man team, but a TEAM! One man shows is not going to work things out... I agree with linkinstreet, Schumy is a good driver, but he is not yet the best in F1. IMO F1 has always been a team sport. In sporting essence that has never changed over the years. What i was trying to point out is if Schumi (together with his team) didn't join Ferrari in 1996, Ferrari wouldn't be the team they are today. They could even be still waiting for their first driver's title in over 20+ years. It's all speculation of course and it's no use thinking any more about it. This post has been edited by verx: Sep 19 2006, 04:40 PM |
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Sep 19 2006, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 19 2006, 08:39 AM) I don't think anyone questioned his skills. It was pretty clear Ferrari didn't have a good package last year. Yes, ppl (please note that, only certain, not everyone) questioned his skills, this I read from the papers. But, I never question his skills, because that is obvious Ferrari not as compatitive as they were that time. IMO F1 has always been a team sport. In sporting essence that has never changed over the years. What i was trying to point out is if Schumi (together with his team) didn't join Ferrari in 1996, Ferrari wouldn't be the team they are today. They could even be still waiting for their first driver's title in over 20+ years. It's all speculation of course and it's no use thinking any more about it. As I pointed out, Technology is getting better, Ferrari is getting better and better.. and Schumy's team is in the right time to work it out with Ferrari. So, I would rather say they both (ferrari and Schumy's team) work together.. but not Schumy built the name of ferrari! |
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Sep 19 2006, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(Kimmy @ Sep 19 2006, 05:10 PM) Yes, ppl (please note that, only certain, not everyone) questioned his skills, this I read from the papers. But, I never question his skills, because that is obvious Ferrari not as compatitive as they were that time. OMG build the name of Ferrari!? I don't think anyone in their right mind would try to imply that. Ferrari as a brand was established way before F1. I think u just misunderstood the point that was being made. Schumi brought success in F1 back to Ferrari after they got 'lost' for a number of years. He and his team built the foundation on which that success is based on, not the name!! I'm kind of a traditionalist person and i would never say something like that. As I pointed out, Technology is getting better, Ferrari is getting better and better.. and Schumy's team is in the right time to work it out with Ferrari. So, I would rather say they both (ferrari and Schumy's team) work together.. but not Schumy built the name of ferrari! |
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Sep 19 2006, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 19 2006, 09:18 AM) OMG build the name of Ferrari!? I don't think anyone in their right mind would try to imply that. Ferrari as a brand was established way before F1. I think u just misunderstood the point that was being made. Schumi brought success in F1 back to Ferrari after they got 'lost' for a number of years. He and his team built the foundation on which that success is based on, not the name!! I'm kind of a traditionalist person and i would never say something like that. Sorry, I was referring to what fariz said : Schumy built to what Ferrari is today.. I mean name in F1.. that is what I am trying to point out he is not the one to built what ferarri is today in F1! |
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Sep 19 2006, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Sep 19 2006, 04:23 PM) The tendency of getting killed in F1 is high in the past. But, thanks to current safety standard, rules and technology, it has indeed becomes safer. Schuey might be one of the best if not the best. But, he equally has some many incidents and 'dark sides' that might not go down well with some of the F1 fans. There are a lot 'if'. What if the accident didnt happen on Senna? What if this and what if that...... but, facts still remain, which no one can change. For that, you need someone who is better than him to break all his records. Time will tell. *passing teh o ais to all heated forummers here* Cheers, bro. ................... |
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Sep 19 2006, 07:24 PM
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Todt, Brawn and Schummi is what makes Ferrari what it is today. Nobody can deny that, and there are not many driver that can do that today, but I see sign of that in Alonso already. He and his engineers are always the ones that are working the hardest in Renault, and it was no secret that it's because of that Fisico can never be as fast as him in the same car. What makes him different for Schummi is that, he works for the best of the team, and thus he would share new parts with Fisico (he always say that he regards Fisi as the first driver of the team, even with him being the champ), while schummi will usually have the prioty
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Sep 20 2006, 12:25 AM
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shumi is good but aint the best. he was lack of sportsman ship nodoubt about it.
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Sep 20 2006, 12:33 AM
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Too bad for Lewis, his debut in an F1 car will be tomorrow instead of today because of rain
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Sep 20 2006, 11:18 PM
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Lewis Hamilton is eagerly awaiting his second day of being behind the wheel of a F1 car, after his first day with McLaren didn't go quite according to plan.
Hamilton was unable to complete a timed lap of the Silverstone circuit when he made his F1 debut on Tuesday as track conditions and technical issues aspired against him. However, the 2006 GP2 Champion was still able to conduct a shakedown, which included doing nine laps, and he loved every moment of it. "What a feeling, I couldn't stop smiling when the team fired up the engine this morning!" the Brit said. "Although Tuesday's shakedown has just been to familiarise myself with the car, complete radio checks, practice manual launches and that kind of thing, the experience of driving the McLaren Mercedes MP4-21 is just fantastic. I cannot wait to put in more mileage and really find the limits of the car." "It has been a great year for me to date, and alongside winning the GP2 Championship I have worked hard to ensure the team feels I am ready to have this test. It is going to be an intensive couple of days with the test team and I am looking forward to starting the test proper Wednesday morning." Hamilton will test alongside Pedro de la Rosa at the Northamptonshire track on Wednesday. |
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Sep 20 2006, 11:47 PM
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Lewis Vs Pedro.
Let see who'll outshine who |
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Sep 21 2006, 08:50 AM
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I bet Ron will go for Lewis due to his outstanding performance and age. Err....maybe size too since Lewis is quite small. hahaha
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Sep 21 2006, 09:35 AM
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the first black F1 driver if he can make it next season.
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Sep 21 2006, 11:55 AM
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"Hamilton's full test debut"
http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/headlines/...920202327.shtml QUOTE McLaren Mercedes completed their first day of testing today at Silverstone, after giving a short familiarisation run to Lewis Hamilton yesterday. Pedro de la Rosa's focus today has been on Michelin work for the Japanese Grand Prix, with additional set-up programmes for China and Japan alongside the tyre evaluation. The session saw Lewis make his test debut and the team continued to focus on the familiarisation programme of the MP4-21 and the testing process. "I am really pleased to have made my full test debut with Team McLaren Mercedes today at Silverstone," said Hamilton. "It has been a positive session, working through more systems checks with the car during the day, with my focus on this rather than going for times. It is a steep learning curve, and as a result I am making sure I get the most out of my time with the test team and the engineers. It was great to be able to stretch the legs of the MP4-21 round Silverstone, the car is fantastic to drive, even more so as I am doing longer runs than yesterday and you can actually start to build up a proper rhythm." |
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Sep 21 2006, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 21 2006, 09:35 AM) the first black F1 driver if he can make it next season. I think he'll make it next season.Since he's already good with GP2. GP2 with aids OFF? F1 all aids ON...so should be easier for him Since McLaren haven't announce their 2nd driver yet, if he outshine Pedro then he might be McLaren's 2nd driver. I'll support him rather Alonso Imagine him wheel to wheel with Kimi in a race A Master Vs the apprentice |
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Sep 21 2006, 01:50 PM
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anybody got pics of him?
 kanakui r u sure he is black? lets hope there is black american in F1 in the future. |
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Sep 21 2006, 02:03 PM
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black american?
black is black. Originated from Africa. Their roots. |
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Sep 21 2006, 03:52 PM
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He's british.....
You guys never heard of him? QUOTE(wikipedia) Lewis Carl Hamilton (born January 7th 1985 in Stevenage, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom) is a British racing driver. After winning several karting championships, Hamilton was signed by McLaren on a development contract at the age of 12. This has given him invaluable support for his racing career. He has also raced in British Formula Renault in his career, and was European kart champion in 2000. He later won the 2005 Formula Three Euroseries racing for the dominant ASM team, having raced in the category in 2004 for Manor Motorsport using the superior Mercedes-Benz engine. In 2006, he joined ART Grand Prix team in the GP2 Series as a replacement for the previous year's champion Nico Rosberg. His performance in the GP2 Series has been impressive. At the European GP2 event he won both races, becoming only the second driver (after Nico Rosberg) to do so in the series history and won at Monaco from pole. He repeated his double win at Silverstone becoming the first GP2 driver to win both heats at 2 races. On 9 September 2006 he won the GP2 title, beating Nelson Angelo Piquet and outperforming his more experienced team mate Alexandre Prmat. He has frequently been tipped to be the first driver with Afro-Carribean heritage in Formula 1, possibly as early as 2007 [1]. McLaren boss Ron Dennis, who has a long-term contract with Hamilton, has said that he has turned down possible advertising campaigns focusing on Lewis' ethnicity, though Lewis has filmed for an television advertisement, along with Jamie Green, dressed as other drivers. Hamilton has expressed his desire to race for McLaren in 2007, but it remains to be seen if McLaren will want someone with so little experience to partner 2005 World Champion Fernando Alonso. It is more likely that he will be placed at another team to gain experience before his eventual McLaren debut. |
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Sep 21 2006, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 21 2006, 03:52 PM) He's british..... McLaren trained him to be a champion.You guys never heard of him? Makes me think, are they creating a new Ayrton Senna? Developing the youngsters skills, sponsor him etc. We'll see whether those investments worth it or not. Racers were born not made No disrespect to Lewis though, just a thought. Who knows he'll become the next Jackie Steward or Nigell Mansell. Wonder why McLaren would sign another Brasillian driver  Maybe those Senna era's might be repeated. Since Senna won all his WDC with McLaren. Hard to find a born racer like Ayrton Senna. Loves racing...as part of his life. Racing comes 1st to him. Always wants to be the best. |
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Sep 21 2006, 06:30 PM
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isnt there another from Finland..
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Sep 21 2006, 10:35 PM
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Kovalainen already signed for Renault. And no disrespect to you raikkonen, it's YOU who never heard of Lewis and his skills. if a racer is truly born not made, it's him.
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Sep 21 2006, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 21 2006, 10:35 PM) Kovalainen already signed for Renault. And no disrespect to you raikkonen, it's YOU who never heard of Lewis and his skills. if a racer is truly born not made, it's him. maybe kot Watched F1 only and never had chance to watch GP2, F3 etc. Maybe TV station here should provide more racing coverages. Football non-stop...boring jugak. Can't wait to see how Lewis do with McLaren. How about his wet race? He needs to be very good to make an impression. |
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Sep 21 2006, 11:27 PM
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lol, just put is this way, for a rookie, he won the GP2 title with ease. Last season he was still in F3
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Sep 22 2006, 01:02 AM
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I'll go for this kid
A Brasillian. His father was World Champion..and his godfather was three times World Champion, Ayrton Senna All from Brazil...so kinda related. I think Renault will sign Nelson Piquet Jr. Hamilton beat Nelson Piquet Jr. in GP2 by 12 points. These kids were the best in 2006 GP2. Can't wait to see Hamilton Vs Nelson Piquet Jr. One thing that this kid really beat Hamilton though...his cuteness Even his father's not as cute as him...got it from her mother I guess. Cool if both joined F1 next season. I'll follow Kimi in a Ferrari for the World Title. And Hamilton Vs Nelson Piquet Jr. A lot of action to watch. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 22 2006, 01:18 AM |
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Sep 22 2006, 08:42 AM
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Bruno Senna (senna's nephew) us currently in F3. We'll se how his progress is.
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Sep 22 2006, 11:11 AM
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They're still too raw imo. Haven't Renault already confirmed their lineup for next season? If so then Piquet Jr will be their test driver. McLaren hasn't announced theirs but i think they'll follow the same route.
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Sep 22 2006, 12:14 PM
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Bruno?
Alamak...tak commercial la nama We'll see what he can do. Hope racing blood is in him. Damn...where were me when Senna reign? Still a kid back then |
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Sep 22 2006, 02:50 PM
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It's a chance that they have to take IMHO. Remember, Kimi and Alonso were both still very young when they made their F1 debut that many people say that they don't have a chance in this sport.
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Sep 22 2006, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 22 2006, 02:50 PM) It's a chance that they have to take IMHO. Remember, Kimi and Alonso were both still very young when they made their F1 debut that many people say that they don't have a chance in this sport. I don't think ppl said that. Ppl had doubts about Kimi because he hadn't secured his single-seater licence and he was on probation. Alonso was always a talent to watch for and he worked from the bottom up, racing for Minardi in his debut season. For Hamilton and Piquet, u r talking about 2 rookie drivers driving for 2 of the top teams in F1. Personally i just see them in test roles next season in order to gain experience. |
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Sep 22 2006, 03:33 PM
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true, but I think we need another driver than de la Rosa next season. 2 spanish driver in one team does not feel right
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Sep 22 2006, 04:08 PM
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I guess those F1 expert knows more than others do when the sign Kimi and Alonso into F1
No more Finnish drivers in McLaren Tradition broken. See Montoya, F1 debut...won a GP. If those rookies can do the same, But even Rosberg who reign in GP2 still struggle in F1. Either still getting use to it or just that Williams car suxx. I think it's the eager to win and do better than anybody else will secure success. Establish your superiority...that's what Senna did. He doesn't care...he race wheel to wheel and did a lot of agressive manouvers. He wants to win and be better than anybody else. Showing he means business. Gave Prost a hard time This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 22 2006, 04:09 PM |
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Sep 22 2006, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 22 2006, 04:08 PM) I guess those F1 expert knows more than others do when the sign Kimi and Alonso into F1 I don't think u can call Finnish drivers in McLaren a tradition since there was only Hakkinen and Raikkonen. No more Finnish drivers in McLaren Tradition broken. See Montoya, F1 debut...won a GP. If those rookies can do the same, But even Rosberg who reign in GP2 still struggle in F1. Either still getting use to it or just that Williams car suxx. I think it's the eager to win and do better than anybody else will secure success. Establish your superiority...that's what Senna did. He doesn't care...he race wheel to wheel and did a lot of agressive manouvers. He wants to win and be better than anybody else. Showing he means business. Gave Prost a hard time and Senna and Prost were both phenomenal drivers. The fact that they drove for the same team is astonishing. They both pushed each other and gave each other a hard time i think |
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Sep 22 2006, 04:55 PM
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a new F1 star is born....
http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/headlines/...922085821.shtml Lewis Hamilton could race McLaren in China Pedro de la Rosa unsure of his Chinese plans QUOTE Lewis Hamilton could make his Formula One debut for McLaren at the upcoming Chinese Grand Prix, according to the current occupant of the seat. Spaniard Pedro de la Rosa told commercial television channel Tele 5 that he still has not been told whether he is going to be needed beyond this week's test at Silverstone. In sunny Northamptonshire, de la Rosa was on Thursday narrowly outpaced for the first time by 21-year-old Hamilton as the Briton's maiden Formula One test concluded. "The team will soon decide who they want for China," de la Rosa said. A decision is expected early next week. Source GMM CAPSIS International |
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Sep 22 2006, 04:58 PM
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Wow, this is good news.
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Sep 22 2006, 08:56 PM
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Wow.. That's great.. Let's see what Lewis can do if he races in China.. Usually, a new driver will show whatever they have to prove that they can race and I like that..
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Sep 22 2006, 11:43 PM
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we'll see what Lewis can do. Kimi Vs Lewis. Smoke him Kimi |
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Sep 23 2006, 04:36 AM
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Heh, told you Hamilton would come in eventually. Uncle Ron always has enough space for one driver in his heart (now that Kimi's riding away on a horse).
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Sep 23 2006, 02:40 PM
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Lewis was 3rd fastest behind both the renaults in the practice session at Northamptonshire. The funny thing is, all 3 top drivers are the new kids, Nelson Piquet, Heikki Kovalainen and Lewis Hamilton. the top current drivers is de la Rosa at 4th
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Sep 26 2006, 02:21 PM
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No doubt abt Lewis. This young man is talented. So, let see how he fare in F1.
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Sep 27 2006, 06:33 AM
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Mika and Kimi has one thing in common in a McLaren.
Mika twice WDC. Kimi twice 2nd place WDC. |
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Sep 27 2006, 08:06 AM
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Will next season's McLarens painted in red? Bcoz Vodafone is sponsoring the team. If yes, hopefully the McLarens will not be 'almost identical' to the Midlands. But the name Silver Arrows can no longer be in use if they are painted red..
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Sep 27 2006, 09:09 AM
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I doubt they will paint it in red. Only a partial of the car will be in red.
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Sep 27 2006, 10:17 AM
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It is based on the sponsorship actually. Johnnie Walker is still one of the main sponsor, thus I think they can get a balanced colour, not to mention that Midland WILL be in differenct colour next season now that they have been bought over by some dutch group, which will obviously means that the primary colour is Orange.
Even Ferrari does not use the traditional Maranello red nowadays, insted using the Marlboro maroon |
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Sep 27 2006, 11:16 AM
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not sure whether Fly Emirates will still b around mayb that slot will be replaced by vodafone which the bg is red?
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Sep 27 2006, 04:15 PM
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Emirates is just a one off sponsor. de la Rosa confirmed for Shanghai. so no Lewis yet
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Sep 27 2006, 10:16 PM
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Maybe Ron thinks that Lewis needs more exposure and practise in F1 car. Hence, DLR for Shanghai
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Sep 28 2006, 12:39 AM
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well, it's not like we're going to lost the 3rd place in the constructors, so I think lewis might make a late debut in Brazil
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Sep 28 2006, 04:25 AM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 28 2006, 12:39 AM) well, it's not like we're going to lost the 3rd place in the constructors, so I think lewis might make a late debut in Brazil Cool.Wish to see his potential. |
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Sep 30 2006, 06:34 AM
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Kimi already started his business
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A4ikk%C3...obertson_Racing QUOTE Rikknen Robertson Racing (otherwise known as Double R) is a motor-racing team, which races in Formula Three. The team was formed in November 2004 by then McLaren Formula One driver Kimi Rikknen, and his race manager Steve Robertson, a former driver in F3 himself. It is based in Woking (the town where McLaren build their cars), and they are managed by Anthony "Boyo" Hieatt. |
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Sep 30 2006, 01:23 PM
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It's an old story. bruno Senna should win the F3 series this season
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Sep 30 2006, 03:56 PM
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Since you mention about Bruno Senna.
Can't wait for him to join Formula One. QUOTE Bruno Senna Lalli (born October 15, 1983 in Sao Paulo) is a Brazilian racecar driver and the nephew of three-time Formula One world champion Ayrton Senna. When leaving McLaren, Ayrton Senna said: "If you think I'm good, just wait until you see my nephew Bruno." Ayrton had raced go-karts against Bruno on the family farm, and it was clear that Ayrton regarded his nephew's potential very highly. Ayrton's tragic death brought Bruno's fledgling racing career to an abrupt halt. But in Imola in 2004, around the 10th anniversary of his uncle's death, Bruno was given his uncle's 1986 Lotus 98T as a gift from an Italian friend. Bruno drove the car at the 2004 Formula One Brazilian GP in Sao Paulo, at Interlagos, where Ayrton had twice won. He is running with his uncle's yellow and green helmet and the Ayrton Senna Foundation web page. |
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Sep 30 2006, 04:10 PM
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He's also Double R driver..
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Sep 30 2006, 04:43 PM
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5. Kimi Raikkonen (Finn) McLaren-Mercedes, 1:45.754
7. Pedro de la Rosa (Spa) McLaren-Mercedes, 1:45.877 Hope can see Kimi or Pedro at podium for tomorrow race |
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Sep 30 2006, 04:44 PM
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Should be. I think the Hondas are light fuelled.
Prediction Alonso Kimi Fisico De La Rosa Button Schumacher Rubens or Heidfeld |
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Sep 30 2006, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 30 2006, 04:44 PM) Should be. I think the Hondas are light fuelled. Might change depends on the weather.Prediction Alonso Kimi Fisico De La Rosa Button Schumacher Rubens or Heidfeld Dry or wet. I sense a repeat of the Hungarian GP Also, as always...SC This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Sep 30 2006, 05:39 PM |
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Sep 30 2006, 06:40 PM
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I think Alonso will win tmw race. Shanghai GP has been cruel to Schuey, just like German GP to Kimi (except this year).
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Sep 30 2006, 11:56 PM
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I think so. Alonso seems to handle the pressure well suprisingly. It's is michael now that must push, and he can crack under pressure as seen in hungary.
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Oct 1 2006, 12:20 AM
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QUOTE(Hornet @ Sep 30 2006, 10:05 PM) rain or shine, renault is going to use fisi to slow everyone down... Hope McLaren's on heavy fuelled (how many times we mention that this year...but stilljust watch tomorrow, fisi will miraculously becomes the slow Fisi again while alonso pull alway into distance no GP wins )All about strategy tomorrow. If Ferrari can pull the same strategy like in Monza... Ferrari and McLaren has been masters in strategy. Renault on the other hand, still learning. |
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Oct 1 2006, 08:40 AM
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lol, who says? you ingat pat symond to budak ka?
Remember the great strategy in Frech when they got 2nd from the hands of Massa. Nobody was expecting that. |
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Oct 1 2006, 02:51 PM
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Kimi out
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Oct 1 2006, 03:58 PM
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He was running a good 2nd too....
hampeh. next week Suzuka |
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Oct 1 2006, 04:03 PM
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Another time Mclaren let down Kimi again..even though he is flying on the lap sigh
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Oct 1 2006, 04:12 PM
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True. But it might have been because it was his second race on this engine.
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Oct 1 2006, 04:23 PM
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DLS 5th with last 2 corners 2 go.not bad after a mistake losing 6th place.sum consolation 4 mclaren i guess.
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Oct 1 2006, 04:26 PM
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He should have gotten 4th IMHO. Looking at Kimi, the pace was there. and I suspect Kimi could have won if not for him retiring. Now that should have been a weird race
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Oct 1 2006, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 1 2006, 04:26 PM) He should have gotten 4th IMHO. Looking at Kimi, the pace was there. and I suspect Kimi could have won if not for him retiring. Now that should have been a weird race yeah bad luck 4 kimi again this yr. mclaren definitely could hv help ferrari damage the renault more again if no retirement.haha. This post has been edited by skylinegtr34rule4life: Oct 1 2006, 04:33 PM |
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Oct 1 2006, 04:34 PM
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Crappy car for Kimi...again
Hope he can repeat Suzuka 2005 in next weekend Suzuka 2006. By the way, why did he start at last in Suzuka 2005? This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 1 2006, 04:35 PM |
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Oct 1 2006, 04:35 PM
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engine change i guess but nevertheless classic race with many overtakings.
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Oct 1 2006, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Oct 1 2006, 04:35 PM) engine change i guess but nevertheless classic race with many overtakings. and errors. |
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Oct 1 2006, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 1 2006, 04:58 PM) and errors. n the revival of the greatest back marker blocker |
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Oct 1 2006, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Oct 1 2006, 05:00 PM) n the revival of the greatest back marker blocker Don't know whether to blame Sato or Rubens for Heidfeld's crash. Always hated Sato...but why Ruben were too close to Heidfeld? It seems like McLaren making it a habit in loosing mirrors. Makes the car faster is it? Extra aero? Monza 2006. Pedro left, Kimi right.  |
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Oct 1 2006, 05:09 PM
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hahaha din no about the monza ones but the recent china gp is kinda obvious though
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Oct 1 2006, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 1 2006, 04:34 PM) Crappy car for Kimi...again If i'm not mistaken kimi had an engine change during suzuka 2005 and on the qualifiying day and b4 kimi's turn to qualify, a heavy rain started to fall...so kimi just went out and take a walk...that's y he started on 20th.. Hope he can repeat Suzuka 2005 in next weekend Suzuka 2006. By the way, why did he start at last in Suzuka 2005? I was shocked when kimi overtook 2 honda from the outside on the 1st corner...his tyre not even on working temperature yet plus the condition on the road ...really salute him Again mclaren had let kimi down ....really,nobody can blame kimi leaving mclaren |
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Oct 1 2006, 09:35 PM
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i was so happy when starting. untill i jumped after Kimi take over Fisichella, then after the pit stop everything run wrong and gave up watching already. crap car.
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Oct 1 2006, 10:49 PM
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So sad about the results.. Only two more chances left for McLaren to win a GP this year.. The chances are slim after watching KR retired yet another race..
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Oct 1 2006, 11:36 PM
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On Sato, I think Honda might have that right. Remember that the rules is you must release the leading car after before 3 blue flags. He did it in 1. Thus Honda has every reason to pull that move
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Oct 2 2006, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE(ryosuke @ Oct 1 2006, 08:52 PM) If i'm not mistaken kimi had an engine change during suzuka 2005 and on the qualifiying day and b4 kimi's turn to qualify, a heavy rain started to fall...so kimi just went out and take a walk...that's y he started on 20th.. Seriously? Again mclaren had let kimi down ....really,nobody can blame kimi leaving mclaren I don't think it was raining at Suzuka 2005. damn straight. QUOTE(bubucaca @ Oct 1 2006, 09:35 PM) i was so happy when starting. untill i jumped after Kimi take over Fisichella, then after the pit stop everything run wrong and gave up watching already. crap car. I go like '...yess...' when he overtook Fish. '...fly Kimi...'Hoping for Kimi to win a GP for McLaren. He looks so menacing. Then...when he slow down... same old feeling.Crap. |
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Oct 2 2006, 01:10 AM
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I guess all Kimi fans would only have the Mclaren team to blame. Having a fantastic driver and yet show such petty effort on the cars, what a shame to Mclaren.
Kimi could have gone far today after what he showed at the start of the race but too bad the car gave it all up. |
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Oct 2 2006, 01:39 AM
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And he's not angry anymore after DNF.
He's persuading himself by saying that Ferrari's gonna make it up to him next year. |
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Oct 3 2006, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 2 2006, 12:38 AM) Seriously? yes it was raining during qualifying at suzuka 2005. the rain was heaviest when michael schumi, alonso and both the mclaren's came outI don't think it was raining at Suzuka 2005. |
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Oct 3 2006, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Oct 1 2006, 10:49 PM) So sad about the results.. Only two more chances left for McLaren to win a GP this year.. The chances are slim after watching KR retired yet another race.. Dont think so that McLaren can win either remaining 2 races. It just didnt have the pace and reliability of Renault or Ferrari QUOTE I guess all Kimi fans would only have the Mclaren team to blame. Having a fantastic driver and yet show such petty effort on the cars, what a shame to Mclaren. Kimi could have gone far today after what he showed at the start of the race but too bad the car gave it all up. Yep. The car is just crappy. |
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Oct 3 2006, 05:15 PM
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The pace is there, just the engine is not. With the engine will be frozen starting next season, this is a disaster if Illmor cannot find reliability fast
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Oct 3 2006, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 3 2006, 05:15 PM) The pace is there, just the engine is not. With the engine will be frozen starting next season, this is a disaster if Illmor cannot find reliability fast the engine is fine just other mechanical prob is it? |
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Oct 3 2006, 11:06 PM
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I think is the computer have some problem..enigne is fine i think
QUOTE Kimi Raikkonen, McLaren (DNF): "That was a shame as it was looking like we could achieved a win today. I don't know exactly what happened, but all of a sudden the throttle didn't react correctly and the engine went into safety mode and selected neutral. I made a good start and then got on the outside and gained a couple of places - it was a bit tight, so I didn't manage to get past Fisichella at that point. I overtook him later on and was gaining on Alonso before my first scheduled pitstop. I'm disappointed, but at least we showed that we have the speed, so I'm looking forward to Japan now." |
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Oct 4 2006, 12:29 AM
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If McLaren does not solve this problem fast...clearly next season and 2008 will be a Ferrari whitewash.
Fisi in Renault needs a lot of thing to do. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 4 2006, 12:30 AM |
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Oct 4 2006, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 4 2006, 12:29 AM) If McLaren does not solve this problem fast...clearly next season and 2008 will be a Ferrari whitewash. This doesn't make senseFisi in Renault needs a lot of thing to do. Every season all the teams have to redesign a new package anyway This post has been edited by verx: Oct 4 2006, 01:08 PM |
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Oct 4 2006, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 3 2006, 05:15 PM) The pace is there, just the engine is not. With the engine will be frozen starting next season, this is a disaster if Illmor cannot find reliability fast Mario Illien and Paul Morgan =Ilmor.. Morgan died. Illien still alive. Engines always blew in Mika's final season. Then, they had a hard time. McLaren Mercedes and Ilmor still in partnership? I thought they have gone separate ways.. Maybe I got the news wrong.. |
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Oct 4 2006, 03:43 PM
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2007 and 2008 season will be Ferrari's whitewash.
The only thing to see for McLaren is Alonso's downfall with a crappy car. And what the 2nd driver can achieve. The 2nd car were better IMHO in terms of performance. Why huh? |
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Oct 4 2006, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Oct 4 2006, 02:49 PM) Mario Illien and Paul Morgan =Ilmor.. Morgan died. Illien still alive. Engines always blew in Mika's final season. Then, they had a hard time. McLaren Mercedes and Ilmor still in partnership? I thought they have gone separate ways.. Maybe I got the news wrong.. If i'm not mistaken, Ilmor has been integrated into Mercedes but technically all the personnel are still there. |
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Oct 5 2006, 12:16 PM
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It will be pretty hard to gauge who will have the best car for 2007, although Ferarri have a distinct advantage since they have been running on Bridgetone tyres for like forever ,and they have the FIA by the balls.
I refuse to count Mclaren out, reason being they are Mclaren , yes they have a crap car but if havin a crap car can put them them 3rd in the constructors championship...it cant be all that bad. Red Bull, Williams,and possibly Honda could spring a suprise. My money is Kimi in a Ferrari and Alonso in the Mclaren. (even if it is a crappy car) I dont see Massa threatening Kimi , ie like Massa didnt threaten Michael. |
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Oct 5 2006, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(praetorian @ Oct 5 2006, 12:16 PM) It will be pretty hard to gauge who will have the best car for 2007, although Ferarri have a distinct advantage since they have been running on Bridgetone tyres for like forever ,and they have the FIA by the balls. No disrespect but when competiting...competiting to win...that's the best motivation.I refuse to count Mclaren out, reason being they are Mclaren , yes they have a crap car but if havin a crap car can put them them 3rd in the constructors championship...it cant be all that bad. Red Bull, Williams,and possibly Honda could spring a suprise. My money is Kimi in a Ferrari and Alonso in the Mclaren. (even if it is a crappy car) I dont see Massa threatening Kimi , ie like Massa didnt threaten Michael. "Being 2nd is to be the first of the ones who lose." Words by the late Ayrton Senna This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 5 2006, 02:46 PM |
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Oct 5 2006, 02:48 PM
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mclaren is not a team tat aim juz 2 finish a race like super aguri or earning lil points like william
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Oct 5 2006, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Oct 5 2006, 02:48 PM) mclaren is not a team tat aim juz 2 finish a race like super aguri or earning lil points like william I understand where u r coming from but it's very disrespectful to one of the oldest teams in F1 to say that they just earn lil points since Williams have won their fair share of titles in the past. |
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Oct 5 2006, 04:52 PM
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True. Williams has proven it can built race winning cars, and even tho they suck this year, there have been some signs of that still, like in Monaco
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Oct 6 2006, 07:00 AM
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hope kim will repeat as preview year that on the last lap he takeover fishi on the last lap..... damn nice to watch that race
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Oct 6 2006, 02:59 PM
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From what I heard from the PC after Kimi wins in Suzuka 2005, he had an engine change
and then drop 10 places.Hope he can do better this time. No need to chase from the back...way back. |
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Oct 6 2006, 04:00 PM
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How I wish that Kimi will win a GP as a parting gift for McLaren.
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Oct 6 2006, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 6 2006, 04:00 PM) How I wish that Kimi will win a GP as a parting gift for McLaren. Yeah |
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Oct 7 2006, 04:17 AM
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hey, i know im abit off topic but i just want to ask.
do you know where to buy Team McLaren Mercedes items? err.. like thoese keychains mascot. etc etc. |
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Oct 7 2006, 01:43 PM
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Both Kimi & DLR didnt make it for the Top 10 starting grid
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Oct 7 2006, 02:05 PM
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Disappointed Qualify from Mclaren .
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Oct 7 2006, 02:15 PM
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whua ..what happened ??
both of them can't make it to the top 10?? |
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Oct 7 2006, 03:14 PM
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Sad man.....what happen to Raikkonen ? How come he was not able to place at the top 10 position ?
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Oct 7 2006, 03:33 PM
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The 1st time both of them did not make the top 10.
Or maybe Kimi will repeat his Suzuka 2005 performance |
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Oct 7 2006, 06:04 PM
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Heavy fuel load? Or just plain underperformance?
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Oct 7 2006, 06:21 PM
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it seems the michelin tyres aren't as fast as the bridgestones in this track..
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Oct 7 2006, 06:26 PM
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Hopefully, they have a good strategy for tmr's race.
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Oct 7 2006, 08:37 PM
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No excuses at Mclaren
QUOTE (GMM) Mercedes' Norbert Haug said there was 'no excuse' to offer after neither McLaren at Suzuka made it into the top ten shootout for the first time in 2006. ''Perhaps we made the wrong (Michelin) tyre choice,'' the German told RTL television in Germany. Haug also described as 'unfair' any suggestion that Kimi Raikkonen has lost motivation after announcing his switch to Ferrari for the 2007 season. ''(And) he has a slight cold, but that is also not the reason (why McLaren struggled),'' Mercedes' competition director said of the Finn. source Kimi already in the mood of driving an Ferrari rather a Mclaren. This post has been edited by ccy1989: Oct 7 2006, 08:37 PM |
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Oct 8 2006, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE(ccy1989 @ Oct 7 2006, 08:37 PM) the car suxx. If dry and high temp...Bridgestone gonna smoke em all. In the wet, it's Michelin turn. If it's drying upafter wet, back to Bridgestone. I guess nothing is perfect in this world. Same thing when Kimi in a Ferrari next year. He'll win some, he'll lose some...but then again next season all B'stone. Interesting to see |
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Oct 8 2006, 02:32 PM
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Kimi 5th .........
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Oct 8 2006, 02:49 PM
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Really nice one from Kimi
.....in contrast a reallllllllllll sad one for MS. |
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Oct 8 2006, 02:59 PM
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Good one from kimi
so sad for ms ...and that &^%$@# alonso showing some stupid pose again what he did just now?? ultraman?? This post has been edited by ryosuke: Oct 8 2006, 03:00 PM |
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Oct 8 2006, 03:03 PM
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anyone can update on shumaker and alonso position
tv rosak.... thanks |
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Oct 8 2006, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(ryosuke @ Oct 8 2006, 02:59 PM) Good one from kimi I think the scene of a bird in The Karate Kid so sad for ms ...and that &^%$@# alonso showing some stupid pose again what he did just now?? ultraman?? When angry so angry...when happy so happy...that ape kid QUOTE(e88mickey @ Oct 8 2006, 03:03 PM) anyone can update on shumaker and alonso position race resulttv rosak.... thanks http://www.formula1.com/race/result/768/8.html Standings  This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 8 2006, 03:14 PM |
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Oct 8 2006, 03:15 PM
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a reasonable finish 4 macs after poor qualifying
but an undeserved engine blow up 4 the legend after 4 years |
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Oct 8 2006, 03:30 PM
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At least he manage to finish the race, if only he qualified better in qualifying, he could pawn Alonso
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Oct 8 2006, 03:45 PM
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theres the 'if' again
if the 'if' implies, everyone will have their 'if' win =__= hope Alonso can revive mcLaren |
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Oct 8 2006, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(e-jump @ Oct 8 2006, 03:45 PM) theres the 'if' again what's wrong with 'if'?if the 'if' implies, everyone will have their 'if' win =__= hope Alonso can revive mcLaren We're here to have a discussion correct? no way...not with that crappy car. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 8 2006, 04:15 PM |
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Oct 8 2006, 04:29 PM
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indeed its a crappy car as of current :sad:
the engineers needs to bring back the glories of hakkinen n of coz, PIT CREWs NEEDS MOAR TRAINING |
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Oct 8 2006, 08:35 PM
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Well, I think that was why Ron wanted Fernando. He has that Schumacher like ability to help his engineer and lift their spirit, the one thing that lacks in Kimi. Ron really would have wnted Kimi to partner Alonso, but the car's lack of pace this season is too much for him. We won't win the title next season, that's for sure as Adrian is too much for us to replace, but we might be in the running the next season. With Hamilton in tow, we could have the best partnership in F1.
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Oct 8 2006, 11:03 PM
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McLaren might not have a chance to win a GP this season. so sad.. They are just not compettitive season. There are a few key staffs who left the team and definitely McLaren has a slower progress compared to others.
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Oct 8 2006, 11:08 PM
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but the pit crew obviously sh*tty
were they daydreamin or something |
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Oct 8 2006, 11:10 PM
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lol, and this was the same crew as last season that helped Kimi to win 7 races.....
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Oct 8 2006, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 8 2006, 08:35 PM) Well, I think that was why Ron wanted Fernando. He has that Schumacher like ability to help his engineer and lift their spirit, the one thing that lacks in Kimi. Ron really would have wnted Kimi to partner Alonso, but the car's lack of pace this season is too much for him. We won't win the title next season, that's for sure as Adrian is too much for us to replace, but we might be in the running the next season. With Hamilton in tow, we could have the best partnership in F1. but, if what Alonso say this few days (bashing everyone including his team andFisi) I doubt he's gonna make any good impact at McLaren. Who knows Lewis will threatened Alonso in McLaren. We'll see whether he can do better than Rosberg (GP2 champ) in F1. Williams Cosworth will be Williams Toyota next season. How many times change name lah? QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Oct 8 2006, 11:03 PM) McLaren might not have a chance to win a GP this season. so sad.. They are just not compettitive season. There are a few key staffs who left the team and definitely McLaren has a slower progress compared to others. maybe they'll win in Brazil QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 8 2006, 11:10 PM) lol, and this was the same crew as last season that helped Kimi to win 7 races..... last year better car I guess. This year strugglin with V8 engine compare to V10 last year. Ferrari doing well huh? |
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Oct 9 2006, 07:48 AM
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Alonso is still very young, at time, he may come across as immature, but he is a World Champion, and he looks like he will defend it, and win his 2nd WDC. If his recent comments ie feeling lonely, being furious at his Team Mate and the mechanics, he has every right to be. Being No:1 in the world is indeed lonely. Several Tennis No:1 has said that, Lendl, Sampras (after being ranked No:1 6 years in a row).
I dont hate Alonso, but I respect him enough that he won his races on merit alone.Although if Mclaren gave Kimi a more reliable car in 2005, he may of not won, that year, but all this is wishful thinking, its all in the past. Unless I have access to a delorean I could change the future. Besides the final chequered flag isnt waved, so its still early to say who will win the WDC this year, Michael still has a great chance,(although he has conceded the WDC title officially) he will have to win Interlagos and Alonso will have not to scored any points in order to Michael to win. The mechanical gremlins could strike again. Exciting finale, I have my popcorn and beer on standby! |
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Oct 9 2006, 08:32 AM
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You also must remember, that Alonso rarely make mistakes during racing. thus if he is not competitive, it's usually the car or the team that is at fault. He has every right to be angry at fisichella, as a teammate should know what he should have done. for the team to screw up really bad when he really needed a win, well any man would be really angry. He knew that the car can perform better than that.
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Oct 9 2006, 02:40 PM
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Renault gonna struggle next season with Fisi since he's not as fast as Alonso.
Anyway, exciting 2007 season ahead. Who will give an early warning. Kimi in a Ferrari or Alonso in a McLaren. Or maybe the Renault, Williams-Toyota? I guess Alonso and Kimi as well as Hakkinen are very different people. Some got nice attitude and some does not. Same here la in LYN Some has were nice and some..... I guess we'll prefer people who were the same attitude as us. Surprised with Alonso though. Alex Yoong says Alonso were a quite and shy guy. Now...'besar kepala' already? We'll see what kind of impact Alonso bring to McLaren. Silap haribulan Lewis Hamilton is the one that turn around McLaren Go Kimi *Kimi's the 1st Finn driver for Ferrari correct? This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 9 2006, 02:54 PM |
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Oct 9 2006, 02:42 PM
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Sorry?
Alonso is a fast driver. But he is not a team builder like Schumacher. McLaren has got the wrong man if they think he can help them build a winning car. QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 8 2006, 08:35 PM) Well, I think that was why Ron wanted Fernando. He has that Schumacher like ability to help his engineer and lift their spirit, the one thing that lacks in Kimi. Ron really would have wnted Kimi to partner Alonso, but the car's lack of pace this season is too much for him. We won't win the title next season, that's for sure as Adrian is too much for us to replace, but we might be in the running the next season. With Hamilton in tow, we could have the best partnership in F1. |
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Oct 9 2006, 02:43 PM
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Angry in private maybe. But not lashing out in public and show total disrespect to your team and team mate.
QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 9 2006, 08:32 AM) You also must remember, that Alonso rarely make mistakes during racing. thus if he is not competitive, it's usually the car or the team that is at fault. He has every right to be angry at fisichella, as a teammate should know what he should have done. for the team to screw up really bad when he really needed a win, well any man would be really angry. He knew that the car can perform better than that. |
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Oct 9 2006, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(ILFr @ Oct 9 2006, 02:43 PM) Angry in private maybe. But not lashing out in public and show total disrespect to your team and team mate. being publish in paper sumore....i mean if there sumthing wrong wit d team...keep it a close door discussion.... |
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Oct 9 2006, 03:03 PM
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well, he's too much disappointed with team performance..
its his way to release tension im not in his shoes, so i wont judge if its right or wrong |
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Oct 9 2006, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(e-jump @ Oct 9 2006, 03:03 PM) well, he's too much disappointed with team performance.. morally wrong its his way to release tension im not in his shoes, so i wont judge if its right or wrong |
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Oct 9 2006, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Oct 9 2006, 03:04 PM) morally wrong moral for most people...moral is insignificant. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 9 2006, 04:07 PM |
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Oct 9 2006, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(ILFr @ Oct 9 2006, 02:42 PM) Sorry? And how are u so sure about that? If anything it's still to early to pass judgement on whether he's a team builder.Alonso is a fast driver. But he is not a team builder like Schumacher. McLaren has got the wrong man if they think he can help them build a winning car. QUOTE(ILFr @ Oct 9 2006, 02:43 PM) Angry in private maybe. But not lashing out in public and show total disrespect to your team and team mate. I think he was just misintepreted tbh. His comments were made in Spanish and it could have been easily been mistranslated. He voiced his displeasure of his teammate which i think he deserves the right to since Fisi has been very unhelpful most of this season to say the least. |
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Oct 9 2006, 03:33 PM
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IMHO, of all his (Alonso) acts with Robert Doornbos etc. made it easy for us to believe that Alonso did blame the team and his team mate.
Imagine how would we face our friend after we lash him in public How do you do that? For hipocrite maybe. I sure can't. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 9 2006, 03:39 PM |
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Oct 9 2006, 04:32 PM
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Well we won't know for sure until we have someone who can speak Spanish explain what he meant with his comments and whether u can classify it as "lashing".
I have criticised Fingerboy in the past, especially in one Brazil race a few years back where his stupidity caused a huge shunt. But on this occasion i would give him the benefit of the doubt. |
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Oct 9 2006, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(ILFr @ Oct 9 2006, 02:42 PM) Sorry? And yet, he did change the whole renault team. No disrespecting Flav, but compare him to Fisi, and you'll see why. He is very close to his engineers, and that gave them the confidence to win. Notice that he can have a faster car than Fisi, even tho he is driving the same thing?Alonso is a fast driver. But he is not a team builder like Schumacher. McLaren has got the wrong man if they think he can help them build a winning car. Kimi's strength is that he can take any car, give him any setup and he can find the best and fastest way to drive the car. Not many ppl had that ability, and that's why Monty was lagging so much behind him. It was also why even tho he had limited single seater experience, he can still be fast. Fernando meanwhile is kinda like Schummi in a way, he can't drive a car that is bad with the setup, but he can quickly find what's wrong and tell his engineers what to do. |
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Oct 9 2006, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 9 2006, 06:48 PM) And yet, he did change the whole renault team. No disrespecting Flav, but compare him to Fisi, and you'll see why. He is very close to his engineers, and that gave them the confidence to win. Notice that he can have a faster car than Fisi, even tho he is driving the same thing? *i prefer explanation like this, straight to the point and easy to understand.Kimi's strength is that he can take any car, give him any setup and he can find the best and fastest way to drive the car. Not many ppl had that ability, and that's why Monty was lagging so much behind him. It was also why even tho he had limited single seater experience, he can still be fast. Fernando meanwhile is kinda like Schummi in a way, he can't drive a car that is bad with the setup, but he can quickly find what's wrong and tell his engineers what to do. Overall, very informative. Rather than crappin pointless. I guess. Good point. I'll keep this in mind. Michael did the same thing with Ferrari correct? So does Senna. I guess some drivers were gifted with differ abilities. How about Senna? How's he like? I wish to read about it. By the way, the seat given to Kimi at McLaren was originally for Alex Wurz Wurz was so frustrated when he did not get in McLaren. Now Wurz will drive for Williams next season. Some say he's pretty good...we'll watch his performance. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 9 2006, 06:57 PM |
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Oct 9 2006, 08:21 PM
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British rookie Lewis Hamilton could yet make his grand prix bow in Brazil later this month after McLaren refused to rule out the possibility.
The 21-year-old GP2 champion only recently tested McLaren's Formula One car for the first time but is strongly tipped to become world champion Fernando Alonso's team-mate next year. McLaren principle Ron Dennis, who has groomed Hamilton from the age of 13, gave a big clue he may start next season alongside the Spaniard by hinting he could be ready by March's Australian grand prix. Meanwhile, Hamilton will continue to test at Jerez in Spain this week. "Whether anything comes out of that to change our current thinking about the Brazilian GP, time will tell," Dennis told the Independent. "We are not viewing that test as an evaluation of his driving ability. It's a chance for him to gain more mileage at a different type of circuit and for us to learn things that are important with regard to doing an event. "If Lewis was given the opportunity to race in Brazil and again in Australia next March, he'd almost definitely go better in Melbourne - not through driving, just having put in test mileage." |
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Oct 10 2006, 09:56 AM
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Senna was an all out racer
They say no one was quicker than him on a single lap Prost was more of a thinker and a smoother driver This post has been edited by verx: Oct 10 2006, 09:56 AM |
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Oct 10 2006, 12:13 PM
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Different styles, but both are effective. Senna has a concentration level that nobody can ever acheive. Prost meanwhile can adapt to changing condition better than anyone else. They were the BEST racer of their times.
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Oct 15 2006, 09:33 AM
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Yes, they are like Schumacher and Alonso right now. HIHIHIHI.. HAHAHAHA
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Oct 15 2006, 11:01 AM
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McLaren has confirmed de la Rosa for Brazillian GP. We can't get to see Hamilton in action.
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Oct 15 2006, 08:27 PM
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9,275 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: KL. Best place in Malaysia. Nuff said
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I do hope he can get the drive next season. de la Rosa's performance has been down since that 2nd placing at Hungary
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Oct 17 2006, 02:07 PM
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No more Silver Arrow next year luh...
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Oct 17 2006, 03:36 PM
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Teh silver arrows was a kudos to the orignal Mercedes car. It was used because Marlboro had pulled out from McLaren to Ferrari, and thus they wanted a legendary livery after the well known red and white one that they use with Marlboro from the 70's. McLaren has one of the best livery designer in F1, thus if they want to stick to the Silver Arrow theme, they still can do something about it.
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Oct 17 2006, 04:01 PM
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8,635 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Jeonju/Jeollabuk-do
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY KIMI
27 years old today. |
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Oct 17 2006, 04:32 PM
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Yep, Happy B'day to Kimi. We shall the last GP of him in McLaren team tis coming weekend. All the best.
I think we shall be seeing Lewis in 2007. |
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Oct 17 2006, 05:44 PM
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wah... 27 already ar... but he looks very young...
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Oct 17 2006, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(benzene88 @ Oct 17 2006, 05:44 PM) wah... 27 already ar... but he looks very young... yeah...he looks younger than alo |
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Oct 17 2006, 06:28 PM
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Now 27...a lot of time to collect World Champion titles
That is if he wish to stay long in F1. But I reckoned he's not like Michael which wish to broke records etc. I think Kimi will quit when he's 32. Michael won his first at the age of 24/25 in 1994. Controversial...a lot of it. QUOTE 1994 SourceSchumacher won his first World Championship in 1994 while driving for Benetton, in a controversial season marred by allegations of cheating and the deaths of Ayrton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger at the San Marino Grand Prix at Imola. Schumacher started the season strongly, winning six of the first seven races. Schumacher's domination was a surprise to the other teams, some of which levelled allegations of cheating. They claimed Benetton had found a way to violate the FIA-imposed ban on electronic aids, including Traction Control and Launch Control. On investigation, the FIA discovered "start sequence" (launch control) software in the Benetton cars, and a variety of illegal software in rival teams' cars as well. FIA had no evidence the software was ever used, so teams found with the software received little to no punishment. No traction control software was found to be in the Benetton cars, however. Additionally, while Schumacher managed to claim 66 points in 7 races(70 possible points), his teammates only managed to make a single point in the very same amount of races. Flavio Briatore, who is currently the chief of Ferrari's biggest rivals, said that Benetton never used any illegal software, and the only thing Benetton was guilty of was being too successful for too young of a team. After Senna's death, Damon Hill inherited the responsibility of fighting for the championship for the Williams team. Despite Hill having the superior car, he struggled to keep pace with Schumacher. Due to several mid-season controversial disqualifications and bans for Schumacher, however, he began to close the gap in the standings. In the British Grand Prix, Schumacher was penalised for overtaking on the formation lap. He then ignored the penalty and the subsequent black flag during the race, for which he was disqualified and later given a two-race ban. Benetton blamed the fiasco on a communication error between the stewards and the team. Schumacher was also disqualified after winning the Spa after his car was found to have illegal wear on its skidblock. Benetton protested that the skidblock had been damaged when Schumacher spun over a kerb, but the FIA rejected their appeal, allowing Hill to close the points gap even further. Leading by a single point going into the final race in Australia, Schumacher clinched the title after colliding with Hill in a controversial incident, taking both drivers out This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 17 2006, 06:30 PM |
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Oct 17 2006, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 17 2006, 06:28 PM) Now 27...a lot of time to collect World Champion titles msc is over passionate..... That is if he wish to stay long in F1. But I reckoned he's not like Michael which wish to broke records etc. I think Kimi will quit when he's 32. Michael won his first at the age of 24/25 in 1994. Controversial...a lot of it. Source but is he d cause for senna death? btw...senna was oso being banned frm races b4.... This post has been edited by Amanda85: Oct 17 2006, 06:40 PM |
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Oct 17 2006, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Oct 17 2006, 06:32 PM) msc is over passionate..... no..Senna's death was an accident.but is he d cause for senna death? btw...senna was oso being banned frm races b4.... |
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Oct 17 2006, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 17 2006, 04:01 PM) HAPPY BIRTHDAY KIMI his birthday today? anyway 27 years old today.  |
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Oct 17 2006, 08:14 PM
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Hope he can win in Brazil!!!!!
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Oct 17 2006, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 17 2006, 08:14 PM) Hope he can win in Brazil!!!!! for d 1st time, i hope kimi dun win.... |
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Oct 17 2006, 08:46 PM
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heh, I need a McLaren win, so screw everyone else that day.
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Oct 17 2006, 11:27 PM
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1.MSC 2.KIMI 3.HEID
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Oct 17 2006, 11:33 PM
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27 meh?? i tot today suppose to be 26??? he not 1980 meh??
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Oct 17 2006, 11:34 PM
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Like I said, screw everyone else that day. I need a McLaren to win
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Oct 17 2006, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Oct 17 2006, 11:33 PM) 27 meh?? i tot today suppose to be 26??? he not 1980 meh?? 17 October 1979 Yeah...Kimi all the way. McLaren 1st and only GP this season. Who gives a nickle about Michael or Alonso This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Oct 17 2006, 11:47 PM |
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Oct 19 2006, 04:50 PM
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Kimi going to Ferrari is like the worst nightmare comes true for me. Ferrari and Schuey dont go down with me. LOL.
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Oct 19 2006, 05:50 PM
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I will still support Kimi and hopefully he will give McLaren one victory this year.
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Oct 19 2006, 06:16 PM
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The best case scenario
Kimi win in brazil, which also means he helps alonso to win the WDC, and thus giving Macca the no '1' car next season.......... Gooo Kimi!!!! |
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Oct 19 2006, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Oct 19 2006, 06:16 PM) The best case scenario I second that! Kimi win in brazil, which also means he helps alonso to win the WDC, and thus giving Macca the no '1' car next season.......... Gooo Kimi!!!! |
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Oct 19 2006, 10:23 PM
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I want Kimi to win for himself and McLaren
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Oct 19 2006, 11:00 PM
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WIN WIN WIN!!!!
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Oct 19 2006, 11:54 PM
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Well....all I can say this is the last chance for Kimi to show out his true performace in Mclaren b4 he switch to the Red Prancing Horse for next season. All the best Kimi !!!
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Oct 20 2006, 09:46 AM
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But, i doubt the car will help him to do that. Still all th best to Kimi
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Oct 20 2006, 10:41 AM
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you can never know. The Ferraris are desperate for the win, thus they can take out each other in the front corner. Teh Renault want's to finish, thus they can be content of finishing behind the Maccas
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Oct 20 2006, 11:00 AM
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last race for kimi with mclaren, last race for alonso with renault, last race for cosworth with williams, last race for michelin in f1 and last race ever for schumi... anymore last race?
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Oct 20 2006, 11:05 AM
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9,275 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: KL. Best place in Malaysia. Nuff said
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de la Rosa maybe
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Oct 20 2006, 11:09 AM
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cosworth engine?
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Oct 20 2006, 11:16 AM
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9,275 posts Joined: Jan 2005 From: KL. Best place in Malaysia. Nuff said
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nobody seems want to use it next season
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Oct 20 2006, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(TOYO @ Oct 20 2006, 11:00 AM) last race for kimi with mclaren, last race for alonso with renault, last race for cosworth with williams, last race for michelin in f1 and last race ever for schumi... anymore last race? alonso joining which team? |
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Oct 20 2006, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(benzene88 @ Oct 20 2006, 11:31 AM) alonso joining which team? mclaren lol...where r u? |
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Oct 20 2006, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Oct 20 2006, 11:35 AM) mclaren lol...where r u? Hope next year Mclaren like dis year, dint ever win any champion edited: for alonso. This post has been edited by iRonTech: Oct 20 2006, 01:56 PM |
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Oct 20 2006, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(iRonTech @ Oct 20 2006, 11:50 AM) Hope next year Mclaren like dis year, dint ever win any champion |
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