Ron Dennis might have taken his eye of the ball sometimes but this is still a guy responsible for McLaren dominance in the 80's with Senna and Prost as well as the late 90's with Mika. McLaren has never been shy to try innovative designs and sometimes it will bite us in the ass. To criticise Ron, the change of technical staff, the car design, etc just shows how clueless u r. The FIA changes rules every season and the team that reacts best to the changes will end up as the frontrunner of that season. This is a sport where even a 0.01% difference could mean u finish as runner-up rather than champions

There is no foundation in accusations of the FIA being biased as the reason why we haven't been consistently winning. Our time will come don't worry. I have no doubt about it.

yeah i agree with u that the late 90's wasn't really dominance. 98 was a dominant year for McLaren and if the FIA didn't ban the use of beryllium in engines i'm pretty sure things would been very different

explain how the FIA have sided with Ferrari and Todt and what benefits they are getting instead of just running your mouth saying things u heard from some other ppl rather than using your own brain

i will still be supporting McLaren and i know most will too
there were many macca fans before kimi joined the team so i don't see the problem

a few maybe like this one here will stop supporting of cos
bye bye
not gonna miss ya

P.S. won't it be weird to see kimi in red??...*shrugs*

macca gave him a championship winning car last season.
he failed to deliver.

that said...i'm kinda sad he's leaving as he is a great driver.
all the best to him.

yeah i agree
it was a ridiculous decision
i watched qualy and i didn't get the impression that massa was being blocked
this type of decisions bring the sport into disrepute and it's not one that the sport needs right now

no there's no rule saying that. only that u can't block a driver on his flying lap. alonso was always a good distance ahead of him and was in no position to block him at all. massa went slower cause he got distracted. but isn't that why this qualifying format was introduced rather than the 1 at a time style. in the previous qualy format similar to the one we have now, drivers were getting compromised lap times all the time and no one was penalised

it's statements like this that convinces me that there are alot of morons here. alonso had every right to come out when he did to try to improve his lap time. that's the whole idea of the current qualy system. the position massa was in made no difference cause alonso was driving fast enough.

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no he doesn't have to. and why should he? to catch massa on massa's slowing down lap and compromise his own lap time? no driver in their right mind would have done that. schumi included. and for that matter...schumi wouldn't have been so distracted by the car in front of him. massa is a mediocre driver. alonso being penalised for massa's mistake is ridiculous

This post has been edited by verx: Sep 11 2006, 05:10 PM

read my post carefully. what do u do after a flying lap? u slow down...if alonso let massa past him he would have caught massa on his slowing down lap....sheesh

talking is easy. letting ppl past is not. how many times have we seen the car behind being bottled by a slower car because he caught him at the wrong point. alonso did the right thing by staying out in front so that massa had no way to catch him. there is NO rule saying he must let the car behind pass because then the rule would be too vague. what would be considered acceptable distance? so should every car on the same lap let massa thru as well??

sometimes a little common sense goes a long way.
i have watched f1 for quite a number of years now and i remember during the good old fights between schumi and mika where they tried to distract each other during qualy. it's gamesmanship and it's part of the sport.

i remember watching that live and jumping up and down when he pulled it off.
Absolutely Awesome.
2000 was a great year for F1.

it's not whether ferrari was involved or not. i'm not a renault fan and i don't really like alonso although i respect him but i'm trying to be objective by stating that the stewards were wrong to penalise him and why i think so.

u however prejudge me unfairly by saying i whine only when ferrari is involved which isn't the case, have tried to justify the steward's cock up in an attempt to "protect" your dear ferrari because they are undoubtedly the beneficiaries of the stewards' cock-up but the fact is i'm not blaming ferrari; i'm blaming the FIA. and then u go on to call alonso's claim bullshit as if u had renault's telemetry to show that alonso wasn't pushing as hard as he could.

it was Michael along with Todt and Brawn that made Ferrari good. they were nowhere before Michael joined them. he never changed teams because he had a passion for the team. Michael is a special driver. to claim Kimi will be the next Michael is premature. Kimi hasn't convinced me that he will be able to repeat what Michael has done with Ferrari or even Benetton.

Alonso's attitude is abit of a problem but he has proven that he has the talent to be among the best. I'm sure Ron will be able to give him a few lessons on PR

no that just proves he lacks something. champions are champions. schumi won 2 world titles with benetton when williams were the faster car. and alonso proved he can win under pressure last season despite having the 2nd best car.

now don't get me wrong, i like kimi as a driver and i do see him winning a WDC, but i am one bit not impressed that he went and signed a pre-contract with ferrari so early in the year before mclaren could counter offer. they say actions speak louder than words and so it seems.

u must compare rosberg's performance in comparison to his teammate and i think he has done well.
many ppl have said hamilton is really talented, so we'll have to wait and see.

and u talk as if ferrari are the only team that drivers want to drive for.
in fact with schumi retiring and todt and brawn likely to follow, they might just go back where they were before. the fact is u never know who will have the best car the next season or in the long term.

This post has been edited by verx: Sep 13 2006, 02:40 PM

all the cars were very low back then...it was only after senna's death that safety measures were given more importance. and controversial or not, michael was considered still a rookie then. i personally don't know how ppl can claim he's been a great sportsman but that's just me

u have a point. but i still think he's done quite well with a very poor williams car.

currently, yes of course they have the fastest car and biggest budget, but who's to say they will have the fastest car for the next 5 years? all i'm saying is if McLaren has the fastest car next season, won't it make Kimi look stupid?
it's not like McLaren doesn't have a big budget

u know u could actually contribute positively instead of trying to be an ass.
todt obviously claims there isn't any pre-contract. it's one of the things that go on behind the scenes and it's hard for us fans to know exactly what is going on.
but u must remember it was no secret kimi didn't have any contract from 2007 onwards so he having signed a pre-contract is not impossible and not illegal. the best way is to take it from a third party. flavio briatore had claimed before the race he tried to sign kimi and failed because kimi had already signed a contract with ferrari. so take it as what u will.

i think every team has supporters that just support their drivers...Schumi for one has alot of fans from germany who would claim they support ferrari
and the sudden surge in the number of renault fans definitely has something to do with alonso winning the WDC title.
i say, speak for yourself, just don't assume for everyone else

This just proves that u know nothing about F1. Michael didn't win his title till 2000 because Ferrari were a lousy team and they had to build from scratch. Kimi would NEVER in his lifetime emulate what Michael did with Ferrari. It's like if Kimi won a WDC with Sauber. (OK that was an exaggeration but u get the point)

Exactly my point. Some ppl just don't get it

It makes me sick when i get accused for nothing. Your comment earlier was a ridiculous assumption and i just gave my opinion on it.
The only reason why Ferrari were better in 1996 onwards was because Schumi went to the team but Ferrari were by no means competitive before that. The circumstances are so different if u want to compare to now where Kimi is joining a very competitive team which should be challenging for the title next season.

I'm not patronizing Kimi, I'm just stating that Kimi won't be able to emulate what Schumi did regardless how good a driver Kimi is. I've always like Kimi since his Sauber days but he's no Schumi.

pfft...What a cheap shot....your post is as hypocritical as it gets. You have contributed nothing at all to this thread, preferring to flamebait ppl here. When u come up with something better then post here.

This post has been edited by verx: Sep 18 2006, 05:00 PM