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post Aug 11 2024, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(LA773 @ Aug 11 2024, 08:27 AM)
Ohh.. If u been using semi syn for some time, fully syn with ester may cause seal leaks after it clears some old sludge trapped around the seals.. Careful there
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What type of seal will leak. Once hit high mileage, or many years, seal leaking are normal and workshop now how to solve this. I send my Honda for Flywheel oil seal to workshop when it is 9 years old, 220k km, and all other seal that are worth to replace at that time.

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What type of seal will leak. Once hit high mileage, or many years, seal leaking are normal and workshop now how to solve this. I send my Honda for Flywheel oil seal to workshop when it is 9 years old, 220k km, and all other seal that are worth to replace at that time.
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Any other seals/rubber/hose replaced?
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post Aug 11 2024, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(nick2011 @ Aug 11 2024, 09:10 PM)
Any other seals/rubber/hose replaced?
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Iirc, flywheel oil seal, auto oil seal, drive shaft and gear lever oil seal and typical valve cover gasket
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post Aug 14 2024, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 4 2024, 05:25 PM)
Wanna try Petronas Synthium later cz of this comment on oil analysis. Their Shopee mall price is also ok if combo with shopee voucher
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Sorry for the late reply

I am the one whom tumpang Quazacolt the petronas oil to Blackstone for oil analysis, the actual oil is actually Proton R3 Fully Synth Oil.
When I asked Proton R3 to share me the PDS, the PDS identical which is shared in an earlier reply I quoted below.
excl.gifhttps://epliportal.pli-petronas.com/ePliAPI...4b-08da7aeb9654excl.gif

The Syntium 3000 sold in Malaysia is not GF-6a rated, so far the only rated and sold locally is the R3 oil.

A search in API database only show this following petronas lube was GF-6A rated which is also labeled as Syntium 3000
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Too bad alot of petronas good stuff was not even really sold here, this show Malaysian cant swallow the high cost of high end Petronas lube but no issue paying that same amount of money for Motul or Liqui Molly lol

Currently planning to do extended track session with this oil, hope to see how does it stack up after multiple track run icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 8 2023, 07:29 PM)
Seems like if you search in petronas lube PDS, there are only two fluid that have PDS uploaded and it is ILSAC-GF6 graded (although the R3 oil is GF6A grade).

https://epliportal.pli-petronas.com/ePliAPI...48-08da7aeb9654

https://epliportal.pli-petronas.com/ePliAPI...4b-08da7aeb9654

I dont understand the PDS but seems like PDS is quite simplified, i have some sample pending to send to blackstone for analysis.

I got feeling it is not PAO type engine oil unlike those premium brand like Amsoil or Penrite
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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 14 2024, 12:43 AM)
Sorry for the late reply

I am the one whom tumpang Quazacolt the petronas oil to Blackstone for oil analysis, the actual oil is actually Proton R3 Fully Synth Oil.
When I asked Proton R3 to share me the PDS, the PDS identical which is shared in an earlier reply I quoted below.
:excl:https://epliportal.pli-petronas.com/ePliAPI...4b-08da7aeb9654:excl:

The Syntium 3000 sold in Malaysia is not GF-6a rated, so far the only rated and sold locally is the R3 oil.

A search in API database only show this following petronas lube was GF-6A rated which is also labeled as Syntium 3000
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Too bad alot of petronas good stuff was not even really sold here, this show Malaysian cant swallow the high cost of high end Petronas lube but no issue paying that same amount of money for Motul or Liqui Molly lol

Currently planning to do extended track session with this oil, hope to see how does it stack up after multiple track run  icon_idea.gif
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If u look at Petronas shopee mall, 5w30, it is rated under ILSAC GF-5, which it is correct to say it's not GF-6 rated. Even the bottle showing it not GF-6a. But look at their Syntium 7000 series, it has GF-6A wording there.

Btw look at Mizu, 0w20, it is also ILSAC - GF -6A rated. Doubt this specifications they can fake one.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 14 2024, 07:10 AM)
If u look at Petronas shopee mall, 5w30, it is rated under ILSAC GF-5, which it is correct to say it's not GF-6 rated. Even the bottle showing it not GF-6a. But look at their Syntium 7000 series, it has GF-6A wording there.
Not sure why but maybe that what they decide to sell here locally, I have no reason to believe petronas would like to scam us but maybe they have specific reason of doing so since they have a local lube plant in Melaka isnt it?

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 14 2024, 07:10 AM)
Btw look at Mizu, 0w20, it is also ILSAC - GF -6A rated. Doubt this specifications they can fake one.
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Not sure abt Mizu but for me as long its rated in API page it should be fine.
Tricky part is if the manufacturer is using an totally different naming for their line
Like company abc file their data to API but on their product were branded XYZ with no links to ABC brows.gif

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QUOTE(minizian @ Aug 14 2024, 08:12 PM)
Not sure why but maybe that what they decide to sell here locally, I have no reason to believe petronas would like to scam us but maybe they have specific reason of doing so since they have a local lube plant in Melaka isnt it?
Not sure abt Mizu but for me as long its rated in API page it should be fine.
Tricky part is if the manufacturer is using an totally different naming for their line
Like company abc file their data to API but on their product were branded XYZ with no links to ABC brows.gif
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I don't think they intend to scam etc, its a business with plenty of law to comply with. Believe the 7000 Syntium series as the latest products hence with the latest requirements, GF-6A, while the old products using old requirements.

For API, it should be listed there in their website etc. And from this post, if want to purchase EO online, buying it from shopee mall is better than any private seller, except for certain cases where there are a few well known, reputable company that even has physical store, example Vanli Group.

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 14 2024, 08:47 PM)
I don't think they intend to scam etc, its a business with plenty of law to comply with. Believe the 7000 Syntium series as the latest products hence with the latest requirements, GF-6A, while the old products using old requirements.
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7000 series i believe is top tier item in syntium range, that why i am a little bit bingung with the PDS saying its only 3000 series.
But nevertheless, lets see how it goes on multiple track use
Had no issue going tru two 4 hours track day session drool.gif after based on sample sent out much earlier

QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 14 2024, 08:47 PM)
For API, it should be listed there in their website etc. And from this post, if want to purchase EO online, buying it from shopee mall is better than any private seller, except for certain cases where there are  a few well known, reputable company that even has physical store, example Vanli Group.
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thumbsup.gif I myself also browse around shopee mall to get rough idea of prices, worse case go to petrol station or the distributor directly (eg motul or penrite) even that mean a slightly higher prices

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Lotus online (Shopee & Lazada) delisted Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40, cant purchase SHU online anymore sad.gif

Very hard to find SHU at physical stores i.e. Giant & Lotus nearby.
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QUOTE(pandikar @ Aug 16 2024, 08:09 PM)
Lotus online (Shopee & Lazada) delisted Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40, cant purchase SHU online anymore sad.gif

Very hard to find SHU at physical stores i.e. Giant & Lotus nearby.
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Lotus Semenyih, Kajang still got iinm. But at rm109 or 119. Forgot
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QUOTE(LA773 @ Aug 10 2024, 08:52 PM)
Use back toyota engine oil or..

Im using AISIN, shopee official store,
10w40 $120
Fully syn ranges $140-170, after cashback around 15% cheaper
Im using the $170 with PAO & ESTER
https://my.shp.ee/c3v65nJ

But this prices at 9/9 or payday sales, normal price $200+
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decided to buy penrite 10w40 semi synthetic from their official store thru shopee
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QUOTE(LA773 @ Aug 11 2024, 08:27 AM)
Ohh.. If u been using semi syn for some time, fully syn with ester may cause seal leaks after it clears some old sludge trapped around the seals.. Careful there
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thank you for the warning , decided to use penrite 10w40 semi synthetic
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 19 2024, 08:45 AM)
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recently went to bandar seri putera lotus , no more shell helix ultra

thank you for the information given , might check out lotus semenyih soon
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Is it right to assume Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 with 'Untuk Pasaran MALAYSIA' sticker priced below RM130 as fake oil?

Because that price point is only possible with parallel imported SHU, that does not have 'Untuk Pasaran MALAYSIA' sticker.
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QUOTE(pandikar @ Aug 21 2024, 08:27 PM)
Is it right to assume Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 with 'Untuk Pasaran MALAYSIA' sticker priced below RM130 as fake oil?

Because that price point is only possible with parallel imported SHU, that does not have 'Untuk Pasaran MALAYSIA' sticker.
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If lotus, giant or any reputable hypermarket definitely original, the engine oil imported, new old stock

If in shopee then avoid it
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Don want open new thread, since also about oil

My over 10 years old P2 car, power steering rack is leaking oil, when service engine oil told me is broken, replace part price range 1k to 2.5k so he told me can just add steering oil, no need urgent replace
When i go shop buy steering oil, shop give me automatic trasmission gear oil, is same thing?
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QUOTE(PJng @ Aug 28 2024, 01:42 PM)
Don want open new thread, since also about oil

My over 10 years old P2 car, power steering rack is leaking oil, when service engine oil told me is broken, replace part price range 1k to 2.5k so he told me can just add steering oil, no need urgent replace
When i go shop buy steering oil, shop give me automatic trasmission gear oil, is same thing?
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Most hydraulic power steering pump use automatic transmission fluid, anything with dexron 3 is more than enough.

Power steering pump do need oil change every 60k /km to increase the life span of your power steering pump oil seal, bush , gasket, etc

Now market many refurbished power steering pump you can insist refurbished your own power steering pump/rack if still serviceable and leave the car at workshop for 3 to 5 working day's if you okay with it , no need new power steering rack or pump, if workshop insist you to change new either chop you or workshop collect old pump/steering rack refurbished and sell again to earn more 😂
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QUOTE(zuozi @ Aug 28 2024, 01:53 PM)
Most hydraulic power steering pump use automatic transmission fluid, anything with dexron 3 is more than enough.

Power steering pump do need oil change every 60k /km to increase the life span of your power steering pump oil seal, bush , gasket, etc

Now market many refurbished power steering pump you can insist refurbished your own power steering pump/rack if still serviceable and leave the car at workshop for 3 to 5 working day's if you okay with it , no need new power steering rack or pump, if workshop insist you to change new either chop you or workshop collect old pump/steering rack refurbished and sell again to earn more 😂
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Family say not worth, change new steering rack for 10 years old car
I think i never request change the oil
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QUOTE(PJng @ Aug 28 2024, 02:19 PM)
Family say not worth, change new steering rack for 10 years old car
I think i never request change the oil
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Hydraulic power steering pump/rack usually can last very long, my pickup truck dmax rough condition usage fluid change every 30k/km this year 16 year old still no sign of leaking at 500k /km , per fluid change/flush roughly rm120 x 16 time for my usage also roughly RM 2k 😂

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