If I were you, go for A6000.

There are other considerations like lens prices.

SEL35F18 costs RM1499 while SEL50F18 costs RM1099. In comparison, SAL35F18 is RM899 and SAL50F18 is RM699. I'm taking the SRP for easy comparison. It's really quite costly if I want to get a prime on top of the kit lens with the E-mount. Can buy both SAL35F18 and SAL50F18 with one SEL35F18.

Of course this comparison is done without taking the IQ into equation la

From your sig, you're using A58 right? Have you tried A6000 before? Any urge to upgrade?

Actually to start with, what do you want the camera for? If you just easily wanna take pics with a damn pocketable cam and don't want to bother with lenses, get the RX100MK3. If you just wanna get creative and play around with lenses and flash, get an Alpha mount (now, while Sony haven't killed the line off yet).

The E-mount APS-C cameras are NOT something you'd wanna get into if you want "lenses and stuff". The A-mount has a wider range and all sorts of specialist optics - at cheaper prices. Plus, the moment Sony kills off the A-mount, prices are *only* gonna get cheaper (not a certainly but a plausible possibility nowadays).

The A7 gang is already Sony's new poster child now so don't expect the APS-C E-mount lens range to grow any time soon. Yes, you can use FF lenses on an APS-C body (or even the A-mount lenses with the LA-EA2/4), but it's not really gonna be optimised for it, and will be needlessly large and expensive.

Which brings me to the *only* real upside of owning an APS-C E-mount body -> Size. *Only* get the A6000 if you want the biggest sensor/smallest body camera around with decent enthusiast level controls and an EVF - and a limited native lens choice that you consider to be "enough".

Similarly the A5100 - get it if you don't *need* an EVF or the ability to use external flash units.

Wait for the A6100? Well, that depends too: do you *need* a camera now? If not, just wait lar.

As for the SELP1650, it depends, are you gonna shoot mainly RAW or JPEG?As a backup, JPEG only lens, the SELP1650 is actually not that bad - especially when you consider just how small it is in storage mode.

If you just want a good "kit" lens, I say don't bother with the SEL1855 (it isn't really *that* much better and its huge) and just get the SEL1670Z or the SEL18105G. Or skip Sony lenses altogether and get the Sigma prime trio (19, 30, 60) if you want good performance for cheap.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Sep 22 2014, 02:50 AM

I should be mainly using it for landscape, buildings and food? Also family/friends photo while going on vacation. RX100 is a good choice but not sure if I'll regret in the long term as I may be bored not being able to change lenses.

Yeah... Agree for the lens part. For me, I'm thinking maybe a zoom lens (probably the kit lens) that's versatile for day to day use, add a wide angle for landscape and a 28~50mm prime for portraits.

Factoring those in then it costs a lot more than a regular dslr size system.

Maybe will look into M43 and NX too. Fuji has some affordable offerings of body + kit lens but any additional lens costs a bomb. Even more expensive than E mount lenses but probably with better quality (I think... else why so expensive )

Anyway... Thanks for your suggestion. Will study more and see what fits my needs Already stucked with P&S and phone cameras for so many years, a few more month won't do harm

If you only do pictures and can live with considerably slower focusing, the Fuji X-E2 is a good, albeit pricey alternative. If you can live without WIFI and with *even* slower AF, the older X-E1 is being sold for quite cheap nowadays. If you don't need EVF or the "special" Fuji sensor, the X-A1 is *even* cheaper.

Yes, Fuji lenses are expensive, but as you (correctly) assumed, some of them are optically very good, including the kit lens (1855 not the 1650) - which is possibly the best from *any* maker.

That said, Fuji bodies and lenses are considerably bigger than the APS-C E-mount - they're almost as big as the A7 and the FF lenses (and nearly just as expensive). The newer ones also have "the pasty skin syndrome" (NR smearing details) at higher ISOs, and the NR is actually applied even to RAWS.

Also, weirdly enough, most Fuji glass are faster but lack OIS. Apparently Fuji only puts OIS in their zooms for some reason.

Good luck checking out the market though. Just go with what feels best in your hands and you can comfortably afford. Nobody really makes *bad* cameras any more, really. Just a matter of *which one* fits you the best.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Sep 22 2014, 11:50 AM

haha!

btw, last month (or last 2 months ago) I saw mid valley sony centre selling the E 50mm F1.8 lens for RM6xx, less than the Sony RM300 after rebate price of RM799. Is the price still that right now? I was wondering if that was the display unit they were selling that time, but didn't ask though.

Anyone knows this? Thank you!

This post has been edited by yok70: Sep 22 2014, 04:05 AM

I believe no more. 1st, I can't get any special price direct from sony. 2nd, I heard most camera shop had no longer selling it with special price

b4 I bought the lens, I go search around the whole kl. unfortunately, most camera shop, included sony centre, only sell RM799, and only display unit with slightly reduced price. for me, I rather buy a new unit than slightly discounted for display unit

I think A5100 is just nice for you.. since you're casual photographer. I also gonna upgrade my NEX-5R to a5100 soon.. or maybe a6100 in future if they're launching.

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IwanAGP: I've seen your name here many times. Honestly, you think too much and over researched and procastinate soon become your habit(sometimes it's a good habit, can save money). Camera get replace often (don't think a6000 will be replace any soon also) and it's never ending cycle... U never get the best as the best will come out the next day.... This symptom happens to all new buyer, even myself, when trying our best to make sure our hard-earned money are well invested.

Clear your mind and think simple.... How to make a choice for your camera? How often do you shoot with your handphone? This may very well define how 'crazy' are you with photos.
If you hardly make effort for photo.. food, scenery, as well and pc fair girls with your mobilephone... You are better off with rx100...
Otherwise grab A6000 with kitlens. Don't worry bout the comparison with old kitlens, it's just a hair diff in (in my opinion) don't even worry about future lens prices... If u gotten poisoned enough, rm4k lens also u can afford out of the blue...

The reasoning for my advise is just afraid after 3 month u get a a6000, if you are not crazy for photo and end up reason like 'no time for photography' the a6000 will end up in cupboard growing fungus(happens to Many many people already). So hence advise grab the rx100 for less burden.

go somewhere pitch black dark bro...easier to shoot...

let me think first Give and take between 5100 and 6000, 100 dollar difference here

Got many many times? Why I can't remember got so many times. View the thread got la This shows how well Sony has attracted me since few years back. Never really read any other photography thread in Lowyat except this.

I have been trying to get myself a camera to play with but the permit to buy was never granted by my mum. Now only can seriously consider getting one with self earned money. Can you understand that kind of feeling? I bet you don't, pro photographer

I no worry about collecting dust on my camera. Confirm will put it to use over time. It's now more about which camera system should I invest in. E mount should do well but maybe I have to settle for slower lens at f2.8 (like sigma trio recommended above)

Anyway, nice input from you. Thanks.

This post has been edited by IwanAGP: Sep 22 2014, 12:07 PM

Valentino, actually I will be hard pressed to believe any camera can correctly expose the example you gave without any form of digital manipulation done either in camera or in computer. Not to splash cold water, but really, it is basic lighting science. Your model's face is in the shadows (caused by her hair) and the rest of the scenery is receiving direct sunlight, can't really expect a photo to turn out correctly exposed for both subject's face and the background. I understand your peeve with the face detection though. It's not easy and quite often, face detection will not be able to detect a face. I also don't quite understand why you hate that the camera meters for the face once it detected the face. I mean, I would had done the same, if I was to meter the scene manually myself. Always meter for the subject.

Anyway, may I suggest you to consider Dynamic Range Optimizer (DRO), which is a function feature found in the a6000 (it has been in all alpha cameras since the first alpha, the a100 was launched). It will selectively lift up the shadows and cuts down the highlights. For human shots, don't use DRO levels too high. It should work very well in the example scene you showed us. Experiment with this and let us know what you discover. Sharing is caring.

yea, u asked bout what camera like once a year... i've been in this thread for 5 years >.< since A100 days

every PRO is once a noob, once a poor student, once a rebel because family denial everything we wanted. , once kena kaokao from PRO like albnok.... i know exactly how you feel.

but i planned a little more well, my initial budget was 3k, back then(5 years ago), 450D was 3xxx.... procrastinate for another year(working year) i manage to save another 2k, total up to 5k, thats when i saw the advert for A200 in newspaper, rm1999, and got me started research on Sony... brought A300 twin kit, with extra 2.5k then so on with F58 and a 50F1.4.

its not easy to part with the money or gain new responsibility to take care of it...

if you very very very confirm u going to get serious, then definitely interchangeable lens system is way to go. is not A, definitely E mount (or other brand mounts)

i would avoid Sigma lens, because the phase detect will not work with sigma lenses... so its like end up using AF perfomance of nex7... but that come later, coz u dont have to think so much first, all new user, all PRO here will advise the same thing, please use your kitlens first, use until you REALLY understand it only then u start thinking what you NEED next.

Wah... When did I ask every year. I rmb asking about A550 or what only lo... Other than that I can't remember I asked. Maybe I'm too old to remember d :p

Hmm... Got that problem arh... Then really need to think again.

Anyway... This time it's serious. Save 2 - 3 months salary first then buy. Luckily working in SG. One month salary enough d, if working in M'sia maybe only buy after 6 or 7 months? Maybe never coz no extra money :D


EDIT: done a Google search, I only posted a lot in this thread back in 2010. Google my ID with those keywords then you'll see it. You saw me mentioning it somewhere elseway isit? Lol...

This post has been edited by IwanAGP: Sep 22 2014, 12:33 PM

hahahaha... my mistake then XD

anyway, you have two choice... pack A6000 once you have enough, or, save a little more extra, that way wont feel so pain coz u will have leftover when u pack the A6000 XD then who knows 2 week later feel like wallop the F43m also~ hehehehe

Have enough to pack it now. But want keep spare money in case of emergency.

Still hoping for a 35 or 50 f1.8 lens. But it's really expensive la. More than half the price of A6000 kit. Let's see if there's any good deals in any of the IT fairs here. Few weeks ago got one fair, Olympus giving extra prime lens that costs over 500SGD on top of kit lens(es) with freebies like dual 32GB card. Samsung on the other hand included free tablet with purchase of their camera. If can get A6000 with some similar offer it's really nice :p

So fast want persuade ppl buy flash d? Engine haven't order at all, even engine model not decided yet now already recommending me to supercharge my engine :x :D

35 F1.8 sure is quite expensive but you can always look for 2nd hand ones. I bought mine from a fellow forumer here which was a good bargain. I used it more than my kit now.

no harm what buying the supercharger before the engine...

this call for a TT session...lama siot takde TT...

From my point of view... When a product can sell, it's difficult to have promo..... When product can't sell, or end of shelf life, the company will put in everything just to get rid of it. Even buying a7 free rx100 during klpf last week... Freebie sound good, but don't be tempted by the wrong thing and make impulse buying.