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post May 28 2014, 03:02 PM, updated 12y ago

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so who's got the best military?
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Best Korea!!!!!!! flex.gif flex.gif flex.gif
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QUOTE(Heat @ May 28 2014, 03:03 PM)
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USA spends more than 500Billion USD for their military if i am not mistaken. Of course they are the flex.gif .
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QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ May 28 2014, 03:12 PM)
USA spends more than 500Billion USD for their military if i am not mistaken. Of course they are theĀ  flex.gif .
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it is more fair to compare with respect to % of total country spending for the year.
As for murica (year 2013), they spend 17% of total spending (almost 700 billion) which come second to Health and Human Service Dept.

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QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ May 28 2014, 03:12 PM)
USA spends more than 500Billion USD for their military if i am not mistaken. Of course they are the  flex.gif .
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I wish i was a US citizen, then can go apply for military and get free college, monthly salary, become a police officer afterwards (which earns higher than our fresh grads) and other health benefits flex.gif flex.gif
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QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ May 28 2014, 03:12 PM)
USA spends more than 500Billion USD for their military if i am not mistaken. Of course they are the  flex.gif .
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ofcoz they have to, so they can help cover NATO country cost.... see the NATO all low low budget one coz big brother has taken care of the bill.
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I wish i was a US citizen, then can go apply for military and get free college, monthly salary, become a police officer afterwards (which earns higher than our fresh grads) and other health benefits flex.gif  flex.gif
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bro.. they always go to war... sure get sent for campaign 1... ingat msia ke.. tidor suka suka tembak kawan... a lot of them return home handicap
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QUOTE(Heat @ May 28 2014, 03:23 PM)
I wish i was a US citizen, then can go apply for military and get free college, monthly salary, become a police officer afterwards (which earns higher than our fresh grads) and other health benefits flex.gif  flex.gif
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or get ur limbs blown off by an IED or having PSTD bcoz killed bunch of kids during a raid on a supposedly Al-Qaeda stronghold..
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for new thread can block alaskanbunny or not?
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no news on our attack helicopter for ESCCOM or it oledi shortlisted few heli d?

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QUOTE(acam2812 @ May 28 2014, 03:31 PM)
no news on our attack helicopter for ESCCOM or it oledi shortlisted few heli d?
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nope
even replacement for our Fulcrums still didn't make any progress even though this is more crucial than the attack heli
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nope
even replacement for our Fulcrums still didn't make any progress even though this is more crucial than the attack heli
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hopefully next year LIMA got some news.....

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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 28 2014, 04:24 PM)
No problem bro..... I think u can continue here. Baru best.....
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Dude, do you ever knew any sub that can dive more than 800m? Can normal SSN dive that deep?
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PT.PAL launched "KRI Tombak (629)" the 2nd KCR-60 Missile Boat & handed over 1st KCR-60 "KRI Sampari (628)" to the Indonesian Navy. A 3rd "KRI Halasan (630)" will be handed over in September 2014.

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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 28 2014, 04:34 PM)
kebetulan lalu jer......baru finish assemble my 1/35 tank. ztz99B.  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif
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u can try local hobby shop. or online shop.

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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 28 2014, 04:56 PM)
u can try local hobby shop. or online shop.

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really difficult to find hobby shop around my area of living/work..yg ada pun jual RC stuffs jer
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military hobby lagi rare in local, most of the item order online.
u can try taobao.
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 28 2014, 04:59 PM)
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Dude, do you ever knew any sub that can dive more than 800m? Can normal SSN dive that deep?
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Survey sub can go deeper... 800m. As far as I know.... only russian sub with titanium pressure hull can go that deep. The rest just between 300 to 500m
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Dude, do you ever knew any sub that can dive more than 800m? Can normal SSN dive that deep?
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normal diesel submarine usually divi around 300m, nuclear Submarine usually 600m, max is 700m, only few special 1 can divi around 800m.
the towed array sonar usually at ASW ship basic can detect until 500m.
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Wednesday, 28 May, 2014 | 16:14 WIB

Indonesia Completes 60M Fast Missile Craft

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - PT PAL Indonesia has completed a primary weaponry defense system project, 60 Meter Fast Missile Craft, for the Indonesian Navy. The boat is called KRI Sampari-628.

"The craft is to reinforce the Navy to secure Indonesian sea territories," Indonesian defense minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said on Wednesday, May 28, 2014.

"In addition to KRI Sampari-628, PT PAL is also working on two other units, KRI Tombak-629 and KRI Halasan-630, which are to be completed in July and September 2014."

Every unit is armed with canons and two C705 and C802 missiles with 140-kilometer range. Purnomo believed that the crafts are sophisticated and reliable for maritime operations.

PAL Indonesia's chairman Firmansyah Arifin said KRI Sampari-628 has undergone series of sea trials. Based on the tests, the craft has met the required standards.

"The last one was Commodore Inspection on May 27. All basic functions are running properly," Firmansyah said.

The Indonesian Navy chief of staff Admirral Marsetio said the craft is equal to American-made offshore petro vessel type. The project for the three crafts costs about US$31.25 million.


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QUOTE(waja2000 @ May 28 2014, 05:26 PM)
normal diesel submarine usually divi around 300m,  nuclear Submarine usually 600m, max is 700m,  only few special 1 can divi around 800m.
the  towed array sonar usually at ASW ship basic can detect until 500m.
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TAS can detect in passive. The stronger the target strength the further it can detect. No depth restriction coz it depends on bathy profile. To detect more than 600m depth consider useless already as sub cannot operate at that depth. Only concern is how far it can detect
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 28 2014, 04:34 PM)
kebetulan lalu jer......baru finish assemble my 1/35 tank. ztz99B.  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif
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how do u assemble it? is it same like assembling a Gundam?
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 28 2014, 05:21 PM)
Survey sub can go deeper... 800m. As far as I know.... only russian sub with titanium pressure hull can go that deep. The rest just between 300 to 500m
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russian sub guna dual-hull lagi ke? atau metallurgy diorang dah improve cam US, guna HY-80/100
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QUOTE(wanvadder @ May 28 2014, 06:14 PM)
russian sub guna dual-hull lagi ke? atau metallurgy diorang dah improve cam US, guna HY-80/100
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Tak tau plak....tak ikut perkembangan bab2 tu. Rasenye skarng ni semua dh buat simple....more economy..... single hull
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There's a news circulating about a certain political party representative making comments of RAMD in facebook right now,
however the validity of the post (whether the person did post it) is speculated to be a fake

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 28 2014, 07:19 PM)
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Yea, I seen the screenshot, must probably a fake post
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Yea, I seen the screenshot, must probably a fake post
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Pasal ape tu??
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Pasal ape tu??
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PM'ed you, but be caution, most probably a fake post
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PM'ed you, but be caution, most probably a fake post
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Got it....hopefully fake. If not f***k dia la....x penah study dulu
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 28 2014, 06:06 PM)
how do u assemble it? is it same like assembling a Gundam?
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no, more hard than gundam, must paint & cement, no snap fit.
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The suspect been arrested, looks like he turned himself in

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Suspect in Lahad Datu shooting arrested

LAHAD DATU: The commando who allegedly opened fire outside a 24-hour convenience store,
killing another soldier and injuring two civilians on Wednesday has been detained by police.

The commando was one of 11 military personnel arrested in the afternoon in connection with Wednesday morning’s shooting.

A total of 14 people were detained for questioning.

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Australian Chief of the Defence Force, General David Hurley, with Wing Commander Dennis Tan and Squadron Leader Jess Sullivan at a barbecue dinner at Camp Bak...er in Kandahar, Afghanistan during his last operational visit before retiring from the Australian Defence Force. WGCDR Tan and SQNLDR Sullivan previously worked as assistants to General Hurley.

General David Hurley has completed his final visit to Afghanistan and the Middle East Area of Operations as the Chief of the Defence Force. General Hurley visited areas in Kandahar and Kabul where approximately 400 Australian personnel are currently deployed to train, advise and assist the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF). The CDF also met personnel at Al Minhad Air Base in the United Arab Emirates

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QUOTE(xtemujin @ May 29 2014, 12:05 AM)
Australian Chief of the Defence Force, General David Hurley, with Wing Commander Dennis Tan and Squadron Leader Jess Sullivan at a barbecue dinner at Camp Bak...er in Kandahar, Afghanistan during his last operational visit before retiring from the Australian Defence Force. WGCDR Tan and SQNLDR Sullivan previously worked as assistants to General Hurley.

General David Hurley has completed his final visit to Afghanistan and the Middle East Area of Operations as the Chief of the Defence Force. General Hurley visited areas in Kandahar and Kabul where approximately 400 Australian personnel are currently deployed to train, advise and assist the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF). The CDF also met personnel at Al Minhad Air Base in the United Arab Emirates

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dennis tan? cina ke angmoh?

neway, on indon shop... when i pass by their naval base... their ships r always anchored.. those guys r poorly trained n dont hv much opportunity to go out in d sea coz of lack of fuel.. some ppl say they sell their navy fuel to barge owners... n d only time they go out is to chase hijacked coal/palm oil barges hijacked by pirates...
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A few hours ago, our Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) counterparts from the Royal Malaysian Air Force (Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia FB Rasmi) flew in from Kuantan Air Force Base to land at Changi Air Base (East). The RMAF Hawks conducted this fighter land-away as part of the ongoing FPDA Exercise, Bersama Shield 2014.

The Republic of Singapore Air Force warmly welcomes the RMAF to Singapore!

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 28 2014, 03:26 PM)
bro.. they always go to war... sure get sent for campaign 1... ingat msia ke.. tidor suka suka tembak kawan... a lot of them return home handicap
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Triple pay during deployment and not taxable yo.

Ala duduk rumah pun boleh mati. At least you die awesome
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 28 2014, 05:21 PM)
Survey sub can go deeper... 800m. As far as I know.... only russian sub with titanium pressure hull can go that deep. The rest just between 300 to 500m
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It's the Lira class if i'm not mistaken. Small and fast and can dive very deep. But noisy as hell. Even when the propeller is completely stop, you can still hear the coolant flow from miles away.
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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ May 29 2014, 06:39 AM)
this .. about dyana commented on RAMD?
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Yup, a fake post
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Triple pay during deployment and not taxable yo.

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China’s Advance Spurs Indonesian Military Shift: Southeast Asia
 
By Berni Moestafa and Sharon Chen 
May 29, 2014 12:00 AM GMT+0700 

China’s intensifying move to assert claims over the South China Sea has given fresh impetus to a military buildup in Indonesia that will see its forces deployed with greater focus on external risks.

After years of concentrating on separatist threats across an archipelago long enough to stretch from New York to Alaska, Indonesia plans to deploy attack helicopters to its islands at the southern end of the South China Sea and expand its naval power. The front-runner for July’s presidential election, Joko Widodo, aims to boost defense spending to 1.5 percent as a share of the economy, which is Southeast Asia’s largest.

The strategy shift comes as China escalates disputes with the Philippines and Vietnam, fellow members of the Association of Southeast Asean Nations. China’s standoff with Vietnam over an oil rig this month followed its 2012 success in taking control of the Scarborough Shoal from the Philippines.

ā€œThe focus in defense spending is moving to dealing with external threats,ā€ said Tim Huxley, executive director of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Singapore. ā€œThere is a concern from an Indonesian perspective that the South China Sea should not become a Chinese lake and that freedom of shipping should be maintained.ā€ That is influencing Indonesia’s defense spending and procurement, he said.

The military is about 40 percent of the way to developing a minimum-essential force, or MEF, by 2029, to guard its territory as it adds tanks, submarines, helicopters and jet fighters to its arsenal, Deputy Defense Minister Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin said in an interview in Jakarta. Under the MEF, the government is seeking to acquire 274 Navy ships, 10 fighter squadrons and 12 new diesel-electric submarines.

ā€œWe’re part of maintaining regional stability and peace and to maintain that we must certainly have powers that support that regional strength,ā€ Sjamsoeddin said.


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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 28 2014, 05:21 PM)
Survey sub can go deeper... 800m. As far as I know.... only russian sub with titanium pressure hull can go that deep. The rest just between 300 to 500m
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do you know which class?
Just curious, yesterday just rewatch Hunt for Red October. Got script says it dived to 900m and i was totally shocked lol.
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QUOTE(ET-Force @ May 29 2014, 10:07 AM)
do you know which class?
Just curious, yesterday just rewatch Hunt for Red October. Got script says it dived to 900m and i was totally shocked lol.
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American use feet.... so confirm 900 m or 900 ft??
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 29 2014, 10:35 AM)
American use feet.... so confirm 900 m or 900 ft??
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Scorpene got towed array or not?
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Scorpene got towed array or not?
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I dont know can answer or not
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Then the answer is......... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 29 2014, 10:48 AM)
I dont know can answer or not
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Check already...its an open source, u can find in Janes...so we dont have TAS.

Thatsva little bit disadvantage.... but TAS only use for very2 long range range detection & sub manouvre is limited. We got flank array as replacement.... for low freq detection.

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QUOTE(Gregyong @ May 29 2014, 02:11 AM)
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why we keep busy replacing MIG than this hawk? i think these hawk is more ancient than MIG though. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 29 2014, 02:49 AM)
Triple pay during deployment and not taxable yo.

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QUOTE(Naskah @ May 29 2014, 11:05 AM)
why we keep busy replacing MIG than this hawk? i think these hawk is more ancient than MIG though.  hmm.gif
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diff role mayb... or mayb belongs to sg?
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Wednesday, 28 May, 2014 | 22:36 WIB

Indonesia to Boost Submarine Industry

TEMPO.CO, Surabaya - Indonesian Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro, said that he will encourage the national submarine industry to grow before prioritizing submarine offers from Russia, Sweden, Netherlands and French.

According to Purnomo, submarine industry may trigger multiplier effects in the economy and industrial sectors. Purnomo also believed that the industry will be able to absorb labors.

"Russia has offered a submarine with 300 kilometers shooting range. But it doesn't fit our needs," Purnomo said on Wednesday, May 28, 2014.

Indonesia, Purnomo added, is developing a 209-type submarine that was once developed by Germany. He said that Indonesia is planning to build three submarines in collaboration with Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering (DSME). Two units are being built in South Korea and another one is being assembled at PT PAL Indonesia's dock through cooperation in Transfer of Technology.

Purnomo considered that Indonesia needs at least 15 submarines. Two units currently owned by the navy will be decommissioned if the three new submarines have been completed.

DIANANTA P. SUMEDI


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QUOTE(Naskah @ May 29 2014, 11:05 AM)
why we keep busy replacing MIG than this hawk? i think these hawk is more ancient than MIG though.  hmm.gif
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Cuz migs fast interceptor role is hard to come by
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ May 29 2014, 10:38 AM)
Scorpene got towed array or not?
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 29 2014, 10:48 AM)
I dont know can answer or not
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I got simple answer from org Navy...

"kalau ada, ada lar, kalau takder, takder lar.."
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QUOTE(Naskah @ May 29 2014, 11:05 AM)
why we keep busy replacing MIG than this hawk? i think these hawk is more ancient than MIG though.  hmm.gif
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Because hawk only for Lead In Fighting Training (LIFT).... so no problem. Its not MRCA.....
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ May 29 2014, 11:40 AM)
I got simple answer from org Navy...

"kalau ada, ada lar, kalau takder, takder lar.."
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Takpe....aku dh bagi jawapan kt atas tu....sbb dia open source. So jawapan dia...takde.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 29 2014, 10:55 AM)
Check already...its an open source, u can find in Janes...so we dont have TAS.

Thatsva little bit disadvantage.... but TAS only use for very2 long range range detection & sub manouvre is limited. We got flank array as replacement....  for low freq detection.
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RMAF To Upgrade Radar Technology

KUANTAN, May 26 (Bernama) -- The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) has to expedite upgrading the national defence radar system as some of the radars are more than 15 years old.

RMAF chief General Tan Sri Rodzali Daud said the matter had been discussed with the government.

"If everything goes well, RMAF will enhance the existing radar system and hope the matter can be considered.

"RMAF is also studying the need to upgrade the airspace detecting system, which is also a priority, apart from the national defence radar system," he said at a media conference in conjunction with the Defence Ministry and RMAF Media Day at the Kuantan Airbase today.

Rodzali said the country's defence, as well as its military capability, depended on its strength to defend its air space, apart from launching attacks within a short period.

Earlier, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said the country's radar system and national defence should be re-evaluated being that the government had exposed its military capability and assets during the search and rescue mission for MH370.

On the RMAF's 56th anniversary celebration on Sunday, Rodzali said the theme, 'Air Power, National Power', took into account the interest and capability of air defence in safeguarding the country's sovereignty.

-- BERNAMA


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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ May 29 2014, 11:46 AM)
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No problem..... that only specific for exploration task. We can fill the gap with gowind CAPTAS later.... but to have it is a bonus. The flank array on board is a great replacement for TAS with lesser capability.
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QUOTE(Naskah @ May 29 2014, 11:05 AM)
why we keep busy replacing MIG than this hawk? i think these hawk is more ancient than MIG though.  hmm.gif
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because MIG is 2nd hand from USSR, airframe more strained. plus HAWK is used primarily as close air support
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 29 2014, 11:55 AM)
No problem..... that only specific for exploration task. We can fill the gap with gowind CAPTAS later.... but to have it is a bonus. The flank array on board is a great replacement for TAS with lesser capability.
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Yeah. You need to sit almost still or the flow noise will overwhelmed the array.

What if we build an underwater sonar array network along our maritime border? It'll be like long range early warning for submerge contact. We can then direct our submarine and MPA to it.
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ May 29 2014, 12:03 PM)
Yeah. You need to sit almost still or the flow noise will overwhelmed the array.

What if we build an underwater sonar array network along our maritime border? It'll be like long range early warning for submerge contact. We can then direct our submarine and MPA to it.
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QUOTE(Gregyong @ May 29 2014, 11:59 AM)
because MIG is 2nd hand from USSR, airframe more strained. plus HAWK is used primarily as close air support
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Really arr? hmm.gif I though our migs were white tail planes from the russia. who is mod here? Why are you allowing that alaskan monkey jumping around in this thread?
if you allow this bad example then you can see all those monkeys, Kunyuk,orang utan,siamang and baboon gather here in the future.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 28 2014, 05:02 AM)
Rezeki.....menabung sejak kecik....
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oit bro, PM aku ada dapat news dari radio karat nih
mcam tak best sikit je

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PM'ed you, but be caution, most probably a fake post
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QUOTE(Naskah @ May 29 2014, 11:05 AM)
why we keep busy replacing MIG than this hawk? i think these hawk is more ancient than MIG though.  hmm.gif
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haha, if you really alert with the situation,
the interim solution to MMRCA will also be the replacement of Hawk and F5E

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because MIG is 2nd hand from USSR, airframe more strained. plus HAWK is used primarily as close air support
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suka hati kau je kata MIG 2nd Hand!
amik dari gudang lagi tu
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Indian Air Force loses another MiG-21 fighter

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An Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 'Fishbed' combat aircraft crashed during a routine training sortie on 27 May, killing the pilot.

The single-seat fighter came down in a sparsely populated area of the country's South Kashmir region.
The pilot failed to eject and was killed.

The cause of the accident was not known at the time of writing, and the Indian authorities have launched an investigation.


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oit bro, PM aku ada dapat news dari radio karat nih
mcam tak best sikit je
Psl ape tu bro.....PM.....
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Really arr?  hmm.gif  I though our migs were white tail planes from the russia. who is mod here? Why are you allowing that alaskan monkey jumping around in this thread?
if you allow this bad example then you can see all those monkeys, Kunyuk,orang utan,siamang and baboon gather here in the future.
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White tail is not second hand.
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American use feet.... so confirm 900 m or 900 ft??
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 29 2014, 03:48 PM)
ini kopitiam deii, politik dan bashing itu makanan ruji /k

at least pm la aku skali biggrin.gif
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should make a club for hardcore military fag. laugh.gif laugh.gif And always inform each other for this kind of things. hahha
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Helikopter TUDM mendarat cemas

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INILAH helikopter milik TUDM jenis Alouette III yang melakukan pendaratan cemas di padang Sekolah Kebangsaan Nawa, Pokok Sena, Alor Setar semalam.

ALOR SETAR - Sebuah helikopter milik Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia (TUDM) jenis Alouette III melakukan pendaratan cemas di padang Sekolah Kebangsaan Nawa, Pokok Sena di sini dipercayai akibat masalah teknikal semalam.

Dalam kejadian pukul 11.20 pagi itu, helikopter yang dalam latihan penerbangan tersebut dikendalikan oleh dua juruterbang sebelum berlaku masalah teknikal yang memaksa mereka melakukan pendaratan cemas.


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KD Jebat Up and Running Again

Posted on May 29, 2014 by hafizuddinsulaiman

The participation of the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) Jebat-class frigate, the KD Jebat in the Five Power Defence Arrangment (FPDA) multinational exercise dubbed Ex BERSAMA Shield 2014 signifies that the minor damage it suffered last January has been successfully repaired.

In retrospect, the leadship of the class was involved in a collision incident near the One Phatom Bank off Port Klang on January 14. The incident happened during heavy rain at around 0302H causing a 0.12 meters dent on the starboard side near the ship’s engine room.

According to the Fleet Commander, Laksamana Madya Datuk Abdul Hadi Abdul Rashid, the incident was only realized by its officers after a hard object had hit the ship’s side prompting an emergency alert being issued to its crew.

During the incident, the merchant ship does not activated its AIS system while the heavy rain had hampered the crews’ visual. No major leak was detected. All of her crew were accounted for and unaffected. KD Jebat’s damage as a result of the incident nevertheless does not effect its operation.

The Fleet Command HQ has formed an investigation board to identify the root cause of the incident.


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PT PAL delivers first KCR-60 guided missile FAC, launches second

Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - IHS Jane's Navy International
28 May 2014
   
Indonesian state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL delivered the first of three KCR-60-class guided missile fast attack craft to the Indonesian Navy (Tentera Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL) on 28 May.

The handing over ceremony for the vessel, KRI Sampari , was presided over by Indonesian Defence Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro who described its delivery as an important step towards securing the country's vast territorial waters.

The KCR-60-class can carry either four C-705 or C-802 anti-ship missiles in two twin launchers and is fitted with a 57 mm gun on the foredeck and two 20 mm guns amidships. The 59.8 m vessel is powered by two 2,880 kW engines and can attain a top speed of 28 kt.


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Indonesian Defence Minister Watch Astros II Missile Test
28 May 2014 Wednesday | 9:08 pm

Metrotvnews.com, Brasilia: Deputy Minister of Defense Sjafrie watched the Astros II missile test in the military area of the Brazilian Armed Forces in Formosa, Brazil, Tuesday (27/5) morning local time.

Not just watching, and even try their own Sjafrie Asttos II missiles from the launchers.

"It's sophisticated. Just press the button.'s Just there is a bit of shock. Such play the game alone," said Sjafrie.

Indonesia to buy 38 units of artilery saturation or Astros II rocket system from the company Avibras, Brazil, valued at U.S. $ 404 million.

Weaponry that will be placed in two Field Artillery battalion in Bogor and Malang, which is under the Strategic Reserve Command.

A total of 13 units of Astros II arrived in August and will be on display at the 69th anniversary of TNI on October 5, 2014.

In trials, a single missile took place 5 shots and one shot 4 missiles at a time. The missile was tested SS 30 missiles which have a range of 30 kilometers at a time up to a target about 79 seconds.

Avibras developing Astros II with a range of 300 kilometers to 450 kilometers.

"One or a maximum of one and a half years, we are ready to market, just waiting for a certificate of Armed Anglatan Brazil," said CEO Avibras Sami Youssef.

According to Sjafrie, ownership of the Astros II, a challenge for the military.

"We should have fired 600 missiles a year for the exercise because otherwise the fit is not perfect anymore," he said. (Usman Kansong)

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Indonesian, European firms collaborate on propellant production

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State-owned Indonesian firm PT Dahana, a manufacturer of military explosives, has signed agreements with European companies Roxel and Eurenco to develop and build a propellant plant in Indonesia to meet requirements of the Indonesian Armed Forces.

Indonesia's Ministry of Defence (MoD) said on 26 May that the factory would be based in Subang, West Java, and would commence operations in about four years. Construction of the plant is expected to start before the end of 2014.

The ministry added that the plant will produce propellants for a range of small-, medium- and large-calibre weapons. Yearly targets include the production of 200 tons of nitroglycerin, 400 tons of spherical powders, 80 tons of double-base rocket propellants, and 200 tons of composite propellants.


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Abandoned Petronas oil rigs in Sabah waters to be converted into Esscom bases

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LAHAD DATU: The Government will utilise abandoned Petronas oil rigs located around the Eastern Sabah Security Zone (Esszone) as a forward operation bases (FOB).

Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Datuk Seri Shahidan Kassim said the Ministry and the Eastern Sabah Security Command (Esscom) were in the process of identifying appropriately-located oil rigs near the border.

"We will reveal later as to the number of abandoned oil rigs that would be converted into FOBs. In the meantime we will deploy security boats or ships," he told reporters after handing over 30 Rigid Hull Fender Boats (RHFB) to Chief Minister Datuk Seri Musa Aman, who is also Esscom chairman, at the Marine Police operations base here Thursday.

Meanwhile, Musa said the establishment of Esscom and gazetting of Esszone would have no positive impact without integrated action to ensure that the land and waters off Sabah's east coast were free from all forms of threats and intrusions.

"The people must also help the security agencies, not only through providing moral support, but by channelling relevant information that could help to thwart any potential intrusion and threat to the country," he said.

Meanwhile, National Security Council secretary Datuk Mohamed Thajudeen Abdul Wahab said the Government has spent RM50.76mil to procure the 30 RHFBs supplied by four local companies.

He disclosed the companies as MSET Inflatable Composit Sdn Bhd which was awarded a RM17.64mil contract to supply nine RHFBs to the Malaysian Armed Forces; Kay Marine Sdn Bhd (nine RHFBs worth RM17.58mil for the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency); Dalac Marine Engineering and Services Sdn Bhd (six RHFBs worth RM7.79mil for the Marine Police); and Destination Marine Services Sdn Bhd (six RHFBs worth RM7.75mil for the Marine Police).

He said the high-powered boats were bullet proof, equipped with modern specifications and had a speed of 50 knots (92.6 km) per hour.

"The boats are also equipped with a situation awareness system, which is a combination of the Forward Looking Infra Red system and radar that could detect and intercept intrusions," he said.

Thajudeen said the crew underwent training early last month and were ready to be mobilised at any time. - Bernama


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Abandoned Petronas oil rigs in Sabah waters to be converted into Esscom bases

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How does the boat looks like??
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TNI-AU Conducts Air Exercise Over East Java

Posted on May 29, 2014 by hafizuddinsulaiman

The former Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) Lockheed C-130H Hercules acquired by the Indonesian Air Force (TNI-AU) was one of four Hercules tactical transport aircraft involved the TNI combined military exercise known as Sikatan Daya (Sweeping Power) 2014.

The exercise, held since May 5, held its climax exercise on May 28 with a combine aerial bombardment by various TNI-AU fighter jets as well as an airborne assault manouver over the Air Weapon Range Pandanwangi Lumanjang, East Java.

The strike package over the AWR consist of 6 Sukhoi Su-30 Flanker, 4 F-16 Falcon Block 15, 3 KAI T-50i Golden Eagle, two Northrop F-5E Tiger II as well as two Embraer A-29 Super Tucano. Following the conclusion of aerial bombardment, a Boeing 737 flew overhead as ISR platform before an IAe NC-212 Aviocar conducts an photo reconnaissance over the area.

Once completed, a flight of four Hercules heavily laden with paratroopers conduct airborne assault over the target to sweep any remaining ā€˜enemy’ forces left.

The air exercise over AWR Pandanwangi Lumanjang reveals the capabilities of TNI-AU latest acquisition the T-50i and the Super Tucano in conducting aerial bombardment. The South Korean-made aircraft managed to carry 6 bombs each while the Brazilian COIN aircraft carried 4 bombs under their wings.

The two types of aircraft’s performance over East Java during the exercise will surely being closely watched and observed as the aircraft’s makers are now actively promoting the two aircraft respectively to other Air Forces in the ASEAN region.

Nevertheless, one thing amiss during the air exercise over AWR Pandanwangi was a UAV platform.


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How does the boat looks like??
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From the 30, 9 to army, 9 to MMEA, and 12 to Polis marin

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 29 2014, 10:15 PM)
From the 30, 9 to army, 9 to MMEA, and 12 to Polis marin

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Yg baju putih tu bg sape plak??

Dah jadi standard mane2 bot atau kapal kt malaysia ni guna GPMG 7.62mm. Biasa utk tembakan bantuan di laut better guna larger calibre mcm HMG 12.7mm at least. Klu perasan... TLDM masih guna GPMG pd kedua2 port & starboard wings kapal perangnye whereas negara lain dh move ke 12.7mm. Kedah class, as latest ship dlm TLDM yg the only pakai 12.7mm skarang.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 29 2014, 10:37 PM)
Yg baju putih tu bg sape plak??

Dah jadi standard mane2 bot atau kapal kt malaysia ni guna GPMG 7.62mm. Biasa utk tembakan bantuan di laut better guna larger calibre mcm HMG 12.7mm at least. Klu perasan... TLDM masih guna GPMG pd kedua2 port & starboard wings kapal perangnye whereas negara lain dh move ke 12.7mm. Kedah class, as latest ship dlm TLDM yg the only pakai 12.7mm skarang.
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Which pic? that awek ah?  laugh.gif
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Qatar nears exclusive talks on buying Rafale fighter
28 May 2014 Wednesday | 17:52

PARIS: Qatar could firm up its interest in buying French Rafale fighter planes when its new Emir, Sheikh Tamim Ben Hamad Al Thani visits Paris on June 23, the La Tribune financial website reported on Wednesday.

The contract is of vital importance to the Dassault Aviation group which builds the plane and to the French government.

Dassault has had difficulty in selling the aircraft abroad, despite successful high-profile combat missions in Libya and Mali.

La Tribune, citing various sources, said that the Emir might announce during his visit that Qatar had opted for the Rafale and would open exclusive talks with Dassault Aviation.

Negotiations would last about a year but the contract would be less complex than one signed with India, a source close to the matter told La Tribune.

France, which expects to slow down the rate of production of the planes owing to a lack of export orders, and Qatar resumed talks on the matter in March.

The Rafale is in competition with the Eurofighter built by British group BAE Systems, Finmeccanica of Italy and by the defence arm of the European conglomerate Airbus Group.

In March, the head of Dassault Aviation, Eric Trappier, said that the company had reached an understanding with India on how to organise construction of the plane in India.

India began exclusives talks with Dassault in January 2012, for the purchase of 126 fighters.

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Indigenous Machine Guns of China: Part Two – Heavy Machine Guns
By Maxim Popenker | 25 May 2014 Sunday

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2014 Exercise Bersama Shield

Yesterday we reported the arrival of the Royal Malaysian Air Force's (Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia FB Rasmi) Hawks at our Changi Air Base (East) as part of the ongoing Five Power Defence Arrangements Exercise, Bersama Shield 2014. Here are more pictures of the landaway.

As part of this fighter landaway, two of our F-16C/D Fighting Falcons were also deployed to Kuantan Air Base in Malaysia.

Exercise Bersama Shield is a major FPDA exercise designed to enhance regional security and foster cooperation among its member countries, namely Australia, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore and the United Kingdom.

LTC Lim Kok Hong, Commanding Officer of 145 SQN, welcoming RMAF's KAPT Fairul Bin Mohd Rushtam.

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The RMAF Hawk taxiing after landing on the first day of the Fighter Landaway.

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RSAF and RMAF personnel interacting at the flight line on the first day of the Fighter Landaway.

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RSAF and RMAF personnel interacting at the flight line on the first day of the Fighter Landaway.

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Russia Lays Down 6th Kilo-Class Sub for Vietnam

Ā© RIA Novosti. Igor Zarembo
18:22 28/05/2014

ST. PETERSBURG, May 28 (RIA Novosti) – The final Kilo-class Project 636 diesel-electric submarine for the Vietnamese navy under a 2009 contract was laid down Wednesday in St. Petersburg, a defense industry source told RIA Novosti.

"Today, we had the ceremony of laying down the sixth submarine for Vietnam. This is the latest submarine in this series," the source said.

Under the $2 billion contract, two submarines have already been delivered to Vietnam, the third is undergoing sea trials, a fourth was floated out in late March, and the fifth and sixth are now under construction.

"Two submarines have already been transferred to the Vietnamese Navy, the third is to be transferred this year and the remaining three in 2015-2016," according to the source.

The vessels are built at the Admiralty Shipyards, a leading enterprise of the Russian shipbuilding industry and part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. Its military products include warships, especially nuclear and diesel-powered submarines, and large auxiliary vessels.

The $2 billion contract for the supply of six improved Kilo-class submarines to Vietnam was signed in 2009. The submarines will be armed with Club-S anti-ship missiles. The noise level of these submarines is considered the lowest among all Russian vessels.


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2014 Exercise Bersama Shield

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We didnt sent CROCO with the kill markings? hmm.gif

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A rare look inside the Royal Thai Army's T-84 Oplot-M main battle tank.

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Oplot - M T - 84 is considered a form of modern tank top in the world today , was developed based on the T - 80UD form of the Soviet Union.


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The driver's seat T - 84 Oplot - M.


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Here is the seating position of gunner . On vehicles equipped with a series of support systems such as computational elements fired ballistic computers , these sensors provide high accuracy for tank gun in the first shot.


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The chief seat of vehicles equipped with external viewfinder observed.


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The display of the navigation system supports TIUS - NM.


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T - 84 - M used Oplot autoloader systems should Vehicle crew just 3 people instead of 4 . Shown is the space inside the turret T - 84 Oplot - M.


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Oplot - M is equipped with smooth-bore cannon 125mm KBA - 3 integrates the ability to launch missiles against overheating , a coaxial machine gun KT - 7 , 62mm guns and catapults rooms KT - 12 , 7mm.


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Oplot - M is equipped with modern defense systems include : explosive reactive armor Nozh - 2 ; proactive defense system Zaslon , interference optical system Varta . This allows the vehicle to deal effectively modern anti-tank weapons in the world.


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A rare look inside the Royal Thai Army's T-84 Oplot-M main battle tank.

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Alamak sempit giler commander punya post. Nasib baik orang asia ni kecik2. Serupa macam dalam pendekar kot?

Aku tak tau macamana orang Russia besar camtu boleh masuk dalam tank sempit camni.

In contrast, western design macam M1 Abrams roomy giler turret dia,siap ada 3rd member pulak tu (loader). Soviet designs takde loader crew,sebab guna mesin auto-loader.

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Bahagian dalam turret M1 Abrams. Commander duduk kanan, loader kiri, gunner duduk kat satu seat kat depan/bawah commander. Tengah lapang giler!


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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ May 30 2014, 03:30 PM)
Alamak sempit giler commander punya post. Nasib baik orang asia ni kecik2. Serupa macam dalam pendekar kot?

Aku tak tau macamana orang Russia besar camtu boleh masuk dalam tank sempit camni.

In contrast, western design macam M1 Abrams roomy giler turret dia,siap ada 3rd member pulak tu (loader). Soviet designs takde loader crew,sebab guna mesin auto-loader.

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Bahagian dalam turret M1 Abrams. Commander duduk kanan, loader kiri, gunner duduk kat satu seat kat depan/bawah commander. Tengah lapang giler!
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Eh, ada Shtora IR jammer eh T-84M ni? Aku ingat export versions biasa advanced techs diorang tak sertakan?

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Menyala je Shtora jammer ni bila active,macam mata

satu benda lagi,ambik gambar punya pasal PNK-6 advanced panoramic periscope kat commander's post tu saja je diorang tutup hehehe biggrin.gif

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PNK-6 Tank periscope system
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2014 Exercise Bersama Shield

Royal Australian Navy (RAN) officer, Commanding Officer HMAS Sheean, Commander Richard Smallwood proudly exhibits the centenary of submarines in the RAN patch at Sembawang Wharf, Singapore. *** Local Caption *** In 2014 Royal Australian Navy (RAN) celebrates 100 years of submarines in Australia. Four classes of submarines have been in service over the century and made a significant contribution to... the security of Australia.

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Chief Petty Officer Bradley Cooper, Leading Seaman Kerry Cousins, Commanding Officer of HMAS Sheean, Commander Richard Smallwood, Lieutenant Regina Campbell and Able Seaman Justin Cargin stand proud with the new Royal Australian Navy centennial submarine patch at Sembawang Wharf, Singapore.

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Military representatives from Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand and the United Kingdom are briefed on Exercise BERSAMA SHIELD 2014 at Headquarters Integrated Area Defence System, Royal Malaysian Air Force Base Butterworth, Malaysia.

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Republic of Singapore Air Force Officer, Major Yu discusses air operations during Exercise BERSAMA SHIELD 2014 with Royal Australian Air Force Officer, Flight Lieutenant Maurice Hall (right) at Headquarters Integrated Area Defence System, Royal Malaysian Air Force Base Butterworth, Malaysia.

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2014 Shotgun Method of Entry training - 1 RAR
30 May 2014 Friday | Allies at Work: Photography by LCPL Kyle Genner in Townsville.

Soldiers of the 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), employed the Remington 870 Police Magnum Shotgun using the 12 gauge breaching round. This ammunition type ...is purpose designed for ballistically breaching door hinges and locks. This method is also used with manual tools and explosive methods of entry. The capability greatly enhances assaulting troop’s ability to gain access to buildings within the urban environment

Warrant Officer Class Two Michael Carroll, of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), oversees Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville.

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Soldiers of the 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), prepare for room entry during Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville. *** Local Caption *** Soldiers of the 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), employed the Remington 870 Police Magnum Shotgun using the 12 gauge breaching round. This ammunition type is purpose designed for ballistically breaching door hinges and locks. This method is also used with manual tools and explosive methods of entry. The capability greatly enhances assaulting troop’s ability to gain access to buildings within the urban environment.

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Warrant Officer Class Two Michael Carroll, of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), oversees Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville.

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A solider of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), readies his shotgun to destroy a door lock during Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville.

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A solider of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), during Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville.

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A solider of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), destroys a door hinge during Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville

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2014 Shotgun Method of Entry training - 1 RAR
30 May 2014 Friday | Allies at Work: Photography by LCPL Kyle Genner in Townsville.

Soldiers of the 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), employed the Remington 870 Police Magnum Shotgun using the 12 gauge breaching round. This ammunition type ...is purpose designed for ballistically breaching door hinges and locks. This method is also used with manual tools and explosive methods of entry. The capability greatly enhances assaulting troop’s ability to gain access to buildings within the urban environment

Warrant Officer Class Two Michael Carroll, of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), oversees Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville.

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Soldiers of the 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), prepare for room entry during Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville. *** Local Caption *** Soldiers of the 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), employed the Remington 870 Police Magnum Shotgun using the 12 gauge breaching round. This ammunition type is purpose designed for ballistically breaching door hinges and locks. This method is also used with manual tools and explosive methods of entry. The capability greatly enhances assaulting troop’s ability to gain access to buildings within the urban environment.

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Warrant Officer Class Two Michael Carroll, of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), oversees Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville.

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A solider of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), readies his shotgun to destroy a door lock during Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville.

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A solider of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), during Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville.

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A solider of 1st Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (1RAR), destroys a door hinge during Shotgun Method of Entry training, at Mount Stuart Training Area, Townsville

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Are they special forces or normal infantry batallion??

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AFAIK 1RAR is normal infantry.

Cheers.

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Are they special forces or normal infantry batallion??
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QUOTE(xtemujin @ May 30 2014, 06:15 PM)
AFAIK 1RAR is normal infantry.

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Normal infantry pun dressing mcm ni....skill mcm ni... I thought they are 1st special force battalion.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 30 2014, 06:17 PM)
Normal infantry pun dressing mcm ni....skill mcm ni... I thought they are 1st special force battalion.
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Considering their experience in Iraq, I guess they make CCB a top priority.
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A lot of gear changes after the experiences in Afghanistan.

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Indonesia flags military build-up to protect presence in South China Sea

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Jakarta, Indonesia: China's intensifying move to assert claims over the South China Sea has given fresh impetus to a military build-up in Indonesia that will see its forces deployed with greater focus on external risks.

After years of concentrating on separatist threats across an archipelago long enough to stretch from New York to Alaska, Indonesia plans to deploy attack helicopters to its islands at the southern end of the South China Sea and expand its naval power. The front-runner for July's presidential election, Joko Widodo, aims to boost defence spending to 1.5 per cent as a share of the economy, which is south-east Asia's largest.

The strategy shift comes as China escalates disputes with the Philippines and Vietnam, fellow members of the Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN). China's standoff with Vietnam over an oil rig this month followed its 2012 success in taking control of the Scarborough Shoal from the Philippines.

"The focus in defence spending is moving to dealing with external threats," said Tim Huxley, executive director of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Singapore. "There is a concern from an Indonesian perspective that the South China Sea should not become a Chinese lake and that freedom of shipping should be maintained." That is influencing Indonesia's defence spending and procurement, he said.

The military is about 40 per cent of the way to developing a minimum-essential force, or MEF, by 2029, to guard its territory as it adds tanks, submarines, helicopters and jet fighters to its arsenal, Deputy Defence Minister Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin said in an interview in Jakarta. Under the MEF, the government is seeking to acquire 274 navy ships, 10 fighter squadrons and 12 new diesel-electric submarines.

"We're part of maintaining regional stability and peace and to maintain that we must certainly have powers that support that regional strength," Mr Sjamsoeddin said.

Indonesia has sought to stay out of its neighbours' spats with China over the South China Sea, and is not an official claimant to areas in dispute. But in recent months it has said that China's interpretation of its nine dash-line map -- the basis for its territorial claims -- is seeping into Indonesia's exclusive economic zone.

Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa said in an interview in April that he wanted an explanation of China's map and asked the United Nations to help obtain clarity.

Commodore Fahru Zaini, assistant deputy to the chief security minister for defence strategic doctrine, said in March that China's map included an "arbitrary claim" to waters off the Natuna Islands in the Indonesian province of Riau. "This dispute will have a large impact on the security of Natuna waters," he said, according to Antara News.

Indonesia has 17,000 islands to police, stretched across 5300 kilometres from east to west. The Malacca Strait that Indonesia shares with Malaysia is a key shipping lane that links the economies of countries such as India, China and Japan.

"It's the largest country in south-east Asia and they want to play what they think is a corresponding role," Richard Bitzinger, senior fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore, said. "You're not going to get that unless you develop a sizeable, modern military, because at this point the military is pretty small potatoes."

Military spending increased to 81.96 trillion rupiah ($7.7 billion) in 2013 from 72.94 trillion rupiah in 2012, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

China's defence budget will rise 12.2 per cent this year to 808.2 billion yuan ($141 billion). President Xi Jinping has made a navy with longer reach a priority to boost China's claims in the South China Sea and East China Sea.

Despite being a maritime country, Indonesia seeks to build a "balanced force" between the army, the navy and the air force, Mr Sjamsoeddin said in the March interview, as "eventually all battles end on land." Indonesia, which is also spending on tanks, faced decades of internal discord in East Timor, an independent nation since 2002.

Indonesia isn't in an arms race and spends less than 1 per cent of gross domestic product on defence, compared with 3 per cent to 4 per cent among other ASEAN nations, Mr Sjamsoeddin said. If countries in the region have heavy tanks then Indonesia should have heavy tanks, said Mr Sjamsoeddin, 61, adding some military equipment in use is older than he is.

Indonesia will deploy four Boeing Apache attack helicopters to the Natuna Islands, IHS Jane's reported on its website in March, citing General Budiman, the army's chief of staff, as a pre-emptive measure against instability in the South China Sea.

With China more assertive in the southern part of the South China Sea, "the Indonesian armed forces are strengthening their military presence on the Natuna Islands, and that includes preparing facilities on the Natuna Islands to accommodate jet fighters," said Ian Storey, senior fellow at the Institute of South-east Asian Studies in Singapore.

"During the first decade of this century they were focused on combating internal threats, that is separatism and terrorism," Dr Storey said. "But they've been largely successful in containing those threats and I think now they're focusing more outwards, focusing on external threats."

How far Indonesia pushes back against China may depend on the presidential election, with neither candidate detailing foreign policy goals so far. Mr Widodo, who will face off against a former general, Prabowo Subianto, pledged to boost defence spending to 1.5 per cent of GDP within five years, according to his policy paper. Spending is now 0.9 per cent of GDP, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute .

"There seems to be a commitment to increasing defence spending, increasing Indonesia's overall military strength, more in accordance to what they see is a normal, large power in the region," Mr Bitzinger said. "They're increasingly interested too in being able to be a modern military, to project power."

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While our gov complaint why there are increase in military budget in neighbouring countries as we cant really cope up with that anymore.

Persaingan sihat adalah...bila kita tengok org berjaya kita akan usaha lagi utk challenge dia.

Persaingan tak sihat adalah...bila kita tengok org berjaya kita cuba jatuhkan dia, komplen dia....

Nampaknye kita mmg memilih persaingan tak sihat dlm military budget ni.
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Breaking news, Pasukan keselamatan berjaya selamatkan Pelancong China dan Filipino kat Sabah! Tahniah!

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Just a matter of time that a China oil rig will be deployed near Malaysia.

QUOTE(LTZ @ May 30 2014, 07:42 PM)
While our gov complaint why there are increase in military budget in neighbouring countries as we cant really cope up with that anymore.

Persaingan sihat adalah...bila kita tengok org berjaya kita akan usaha lagi utk challenge dia.

Persaingan tak sihat adalah...bila kita tengok org berjaya kita cuba jatuhkan dia, komplen dia....

Nampaknye kita mmg memilih persaingan tak sihat dlm military budget ni.
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Operasi menyelamat mangsa culik berjaya

Breaking news, Pasukan keselamatan berjaya selamatkan Pelancong China dan Filipino kat Sabah! Tahniah!

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What type of rescue....hardcore one or nego one??
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Just a matter of time that a China oil rig will be deployed near Malaysia.
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PRC is softer when dealing with us compare to vietnam & philipine.... thanks to diplomacy effort
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What type of rescue....hardcore one or nego one??
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Joint Ops

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Waitlah makan at the top first Vietnam and Phillipines.

Next in line will be Malaysia.

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PRC is softer when dealing with us compare to vietnam & philipine.... thanks to diplomacy effort
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 30 2014, 07:55 PM)
Operasi menyelamat mangsa culik berjaya

Breaking news, Pasukan keselamatan berjaya selamatkan Pelancong China dan Filipino kat Sabah! Tahniah!

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So Malaysia China relation plus by 100 points?? thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(acapniamaxtor @ May 30 2014, 08:42 PM)
So Malaysia China relation plus by 100 points?? thumbup.gif
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there is a reason why the ops is take place in this period of time tongue.gif
well najib was suppose to be in China

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ni, you can find the answer at the bottom

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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 30 2014, 07:42 PM)
While our gov complaint why there are increase in military budget in neighbouring countries as we cant really cope up with that anymore.

Persaingan sihat adalah...bila kita tengok org berjaya kita akan usaha lagi utk challenge dia.

Persaingan tak sihat adalah...bila kita tengok org berjaya kita cuba jatuhkan dia, komplen dia....

Nampaknye kita mmg memilih persaingan tak sihat dlm military budget ni.
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everywhere in SEA got new militray purchase, we are one of the only that have not done any significant purchase apart from the Gowind purchase

but from the rumored gowind specs, kinda a little disappointment that it cant even afford a proper ciws for that kind of price
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So many list to buy but no money spared by govement cry.gif

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everywhere in SEA got new militray purchase, we are one of the only that have not done any significant purchase apart from the Gowind purchase

but from the rumored gowind specs, kinda a little disappointment that it cant even afford a proper ciws for that kind of price
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So many list to buy but no money spared by govement  cry.gif
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I forwarded the same question to yinchet, he will explain to you the deal also includes the expenditure to build and upgrade boustead shipyards that can support 3000+ tonnes vessels, the ToT to build ships and then the ships itself.

So the whole deal is, Shipyards + Ship building ToT + Ships, not just ships (sgpv)
I hope future local procurement will be justified in terms of cost cuz the infras is ady there (shipyards, tech and factory)
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 31 2014, 07:11 AM)
I forwarded the same question to yinchet, he will explain to you the deal also includes the expenditure to build and upgrade boustead shipyards that can support 3000+ tonnes vessels, the ToT to build ships and then the ships itself.

So the whole deal is, Shipyards + Ship building ToT + Ships, not just ships (sgpv)
I hope future local procurement will be justified in terms of cost cuz the infras is ady there (shipyards, tech and factory)
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aren't this also the same deal that we suppose to get with NGPV?
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ May 31 2014, 08:29 AM)
aren't this also the same deal that we suppose to get with NGPV?
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aren't this also the same deal that we suppose to get with NGPV?
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Gowind is bigger and the tonnage capacity is almost double of that meko design

Though I got no problem if the gomen just pursue the meko design for batch 2 of kedah class instead of new gowind design,
Patent issue? I dunno
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 30 2014, 06:17 PM)
Normal infantry pun dressing mcm ni....skill mcm ni... I thought they are 1st special force battalion.
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only msia punya under equipped .. tengok when pinoy attack dat time doh.gif even prc better equipped

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Breaking news, Pasukan keselamatan berjaya selamatkan Pelancong China dan Filipino kat Sabah! Tahniah!

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hostage exchange.. wif milf members n some from d kiram event dat got caught

QUOTE(thpace @ May 31 2014, 03:46 AM)
everywhere in SEA got new militray purchase, we are one of the only that have not done any significant purchase apart from the Gowind purchase

but from the rumored gowind specs, kinda a little disappointment that it cant even afford a proper ciws for that kind of price
rolleyes.gif

So many list to buy but no money spared by govement  cry.gif
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gov spending more to ramp up d economy... coz next election if no good will kena kick out
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QUOTE(thpace @ May 31 2014, 03:46 AM)
everywhere in SEA got new militray purchase, we are one of the only that have not done any significant purchase apart from the Gowind purchase

but from the rumored gowind specs, kinda a little disappointment that it cant even afford a proper ciws for that kind of price
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So many list to buy but no money spared by govementĀ  cry.gif
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Again...AV8 project is way too expensive. With $2.4 billion, that's equal to $10 million per vehicle, more expensive than the most expensive MBTs in the market, K2 and Leclerc.

Is it really necessary to spend that much on the R&D of an APC platform?


APCs are disposable assets in the battlefield. Like relatively high destruction rate of M113 in Vietnam and BTRs in Afghanistan. APCs are supposed to be cheap and no one would expect them to last long in more intense engagements.


As comparison, Indonesia modifies the basic VAB design.
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It becomes Anoa, the gun turret is move behind the driver to provide more room and make RCWS installation easier. Also an extra pair of wheels are added. Including weapons, Anoa only costs $800,000 and multiple variants have been developed.
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Yes....the interior is simple; just like a truck with navigation, communication and perhaps BMS in some units. But at least it is cheap, won't miss it if a couple of them destroyed in battles.

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 31 2014, 08:51 AM)
Gowind is bigger and the tonnage capacity is almost double of that meko design

Though I got no problem if the gomen just pursue the meko design for batch 2 of kedah class instead of new gowind design,
Patent issue? I dunno
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There were no issue on the kedah class batch2.
boustead did submit bidding on her own design based on meko class unfortunately they lost.
German counter part also did offer meko cls design but it was the most expensive among all bidder design.

As for sgpv it does allocate large portion of its cost on the shipyard upgrade. I would not be surprised if it cost over usd200mil for the upgrade.
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Just curious. Does our local defense industry have the ability to make produce our own armaments like the missiles, mortars, bullets and stuff like Indonesia is starting to do? Because during the Falklands War, France actually helped the UK against their own customers (the Argentinians) by giving them the detailed intel and source code on the hardware they sold to them after the UK suffered significant losses (including a Destroyer or two) from the French-made missiles. If we can develop our own armaments then we wouldn't have to depend on foreign countries as much since they wouldn't think twice about turning on us and assisting any of our "enemies".
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ May 31 2014, 09:24 AM)
Again...AV8 project is way too expensive. With $2.4 billion, that's equal to $10 million per vehicle, more expensive than the most expensive MBTs in the market, K2 and Leclerc.

Is it really necessary to spend that much on the R&D of an APC platform?
APCs are disposable assets in the battlefield. Like relatively high destruction rate of M113 in Vietnam and BTRs in Afghanistan. APCs are supposed to be cheap and no one would expect them to last long in more intense engagements.
As comparison, Indonesia modifies the basic VAB design.

It becomes Anoa, the gun turret is move behind the driver to provide more room and make RCWS installation easier. Also an extra pair of wheels are added. Including weapons, Anoa only costs $800,000 and multiple variants have been developed.

Yes....the interior is simple; just like a truck with navigation, communication and perhaps BMS in some units. But at least it is cheap, won't miss it if a couple of them destroyed in battles.
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K2 in early production cost more than usd15mil.
now they manage to drive it down toward usd9mil depending on equipment adding on.
Amx still farking expensive fully equip with all the gadget it will cost you around usd27mil

As for AV8 the biggest problem it have is to developed 12 variants in one go. That crazy and over ambitious, it certainly will drive up the cost significantly.
too many variant; too little on economy of scale.
Apparently those who involved in these deal forget that we are not US.

Well currently APC is no longer cheaps as it use to be, now it developed into a whole new level of ifv, take cv90s or amv for example it take them billions of dollars to developed into current level.

Lastly I dun think it fairs to compare anoa and av8.
Av8 is on different level in term of protection, situation awareness, ncw, weapons, and role in the battlefield.
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yup, bcoz we already their beetch
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QUOTE(red streak @ May 31 2014, 09:47 AM)
Just curious. Does our local defense industry have the ability to make produce our own armaments like the missiles, mortars, bullets and stuff like Indonesia is starting to do? Because during the Falklands War, France actually helped the UK against their own customers (the Argentinians) by giving them the detailed intel and source code on the hardware they sold to them after the UK suffered significant losses (including a Destroyer or two) from the French-made missiles. If we can develop our own armaments then we wouldn't have to depend on foreign countries as much since they wouldn't think twice about turning on us and assisting any of our "enemies".
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 09:52 AM)
K2 in early production cost more than usd15mil.
now they manage to drive it down toward usd9mil depending on equipment adding on.
Amx still farking expensive fully equip with all the gadget it will cost you around usd27mil

As for AV8 the biggest problem it have is to developed 12 variants in one go. That crazy and over ambitious, it certainly will drive up the cost significantly.
too many variant; too little on economy of scale.
Apparently those who involved in these deal forget that we are not US.

Well currently APC is no longer cheaps as it use to be, now it developed into a whole new level of ifv, take cv90s or amv for example it take them billions of dollars to developed into current level.

Lastly I dun think it fairs to compare anoa and av8.
Av8 is on different level in term of protection, situation awareness, ncw, weapons, and role in the battlefield.
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Yes...Anoa is more like a cold-war APC platform, comparable to M113 and BTR-60. While AV8, is from a new generation of APC, placed in the same category with Stryker and Terrex.

But these new vehicles still carry the same APC genetics; simply different species from the "APC genus". Expensive APCs are ideal only for countries with huge military budget.

The job remains the same, transport troops safely and protect them from small arms fire and mortar shrapnel; also providing basic fire support. These functions can be achieved by older platforms that cost less than $1 million. Larger proportion of APCs are usually destroyed in conflicts, they should be "disposable" and cheap.

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Indonesia will convert an infantry brigade (3 battalions) into mechanized units in East Java alone with Anoa. This can be achieved relatively quickly, because Anoa is cheap and simple. But still provides basic capabilities for mechanized units.

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I forwarded the same question to yinchet, he will explain to you the deal also includes the expenditure to build and upgrade boustead shipyards that can support 3000+ tonnes vessels, the ToT to build ships and then the ships itself.

So the whole deal is, Shipyards + Ship building ToT + Ships, not just ships (sgpv)
I hope future local procurement will be justified in terms of cost cuz the infras is ady there (shipyards, tech and factory)
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The question is does Boustead really need an upgrade?

Remember PT.PAL also is in a Tot Scheme with Damen for building the Sigma PKR 10514 with a 2 ships programme. PT.PAL didn't need any upgrades to it's shipyard. The only thing that PT.PAL need is to build the submarine facility & machines for the korean sub.

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The question is does Boustead really need an upgrade?

Remember PT.PAL also is in a Tot Scheme with Damen for building the Sigma PKR 10514 with a 2 ships programme. PT.PAL didn't need any upgrades to it's shipyard. The only thing that PT.PAL need is to build is for the submarine facility & machines for the korean sub.
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Four modules are built by PT PAL....2 have been confirmed. Rumors say that up to 6 units will be built.

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ May 31 2014, 10:39 AM)
Yes...Anoa is more like a cold-war APC platform, comparable to M113 and BTR-60. While AV8, is from a new generation of APC, placed in the same category with Stryker and Terrex.

But these new vehicles still carry the same APC genetics; simply different species from the "APC genus". Expensive APCs are ideal only for countries with huge military budget.

The job remains the same, transport troops safely and protect them from small arms fire and mortar shrapnel; also providing basic fire support. These functions can be achieved by older platforms that cost less than $1 million. Larger proportion of APCs are usually destroyed in conflicts, they should be "disposable" and cheap.

Indonesia will convert an infantry brigade (3 battalions) into mechanized units in East Java alone with Anoa. This can be achieved relatively quickly, because Anoa is cheap and simple. But still provides basic capabilities for mechanized units.

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well depend on doctrine for apc.
Some treat it as low cost disposable battle taxi but it only apply on those whose have large quantities of infantry.
some prefer high qualities of apc and ifv to provide valuable fire support, intel, scouts, anti tank, anti air and protection for its infantry.
lots of country going toward quality values

QUOTE(azriel @ May 31 2014, 10:41 AM)
The question is does Boustead really need an upgrade?

Remember PT.PAL also is in a Tot Scheme with Damen for building the Sigma PKR 10514 with a 2 ships programme. PT.PAL didn't need any upgrades to it's shipyard. The only thing that PT.PAL need is to build the submarine facility & machines for the korean sub.
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Iinm, dcns require boustead to upgrade the shipyard.
1 thing for sure boustead need to upgrade their ship lift to support 3000+ tonnage ship.
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 31 2014, 09:23 AM)
only msia punya under equipped .. tengok when pinoy attack dat time  doh.gif  even prc better equipped
hostage exchange.. wif milf members n some from d kiram event dat got caught
gov spending more to ramp up d economy... coz next election if no good will kena kick out
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 09:35 AM)
There were no issue on the kedah class batch2.
boustead did submit bidding on her own design based on meko class unfortunately they lost.
German counter part also did offer meko cls design but it was the most expensive among all bidder design.

As for sgpv it does allocate large portion of its cost on the shipyard upgrade. I would not be surprised if it cost over usd200mil for the upgrade.
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+ the Germany kantoi to feed money to one group to sabo the french laugh.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 31 2014, 11:08 AM)
err no!
+ the Germany kantoi to feed money to one group to sabo the frenchĀ  laugh.gif
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Lel german ship too expensive to my liking.
usd 700mil per ship iirc.

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 31 2014, 09:23 AM)
only msia punya under equipped .. tengok when pinoy attack dat time  doh.gif  even prc better equipped
hostage exchange.. wif milf members n some from d kiram event dat got caught
gov spending more to ramp up d economy... coz next election if no good will kena kick out
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Of course PRC is better equipped.....

Are u sure hostage exchanged?? Where did u get this info??
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 11:05 AM)
well depend on doctrine for apc.
Some treat it as low cost disposable battle taxi but it only apply on those whose have large quantities of infantry.
some prefer high qualities of apc and ifv to provide valuable fire support, intel, scouts, anti tank, anti air and protection for its infantry.
lots of country going toward quality values

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Perhaps, it is the matter where we should prioritize quality...on APC, artillery or tank?

One AV8 is equal in cost to two units of Leopard 2RI. The tank is one of the ground assets with high technological quality.

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Again, I know we shouldn't compare MBT with APC. But, the money should be spent accordingly to get the biggest bang for the buck.
103 Leopard 2 and 50 marder IFV for less than $300 million. Also, to mechanize one infantry battalion, TNI only needs to spend $45 million with simpler APCs.

Instead of buying AV8, perhaps Malaysia could settle with building simpler APCs and use the spare cash to buy other quality stuff instead, like more artillery, ATGM and tank


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Hmm, I'm going through puma ifv.
Wow they are adding quite lots of AMAP modules into it.
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Perhaps, it is the matter where we should prioritize quality...on APC, artillery or tank?

One AV8 is equal in cost to two units of Leopard 2RI. The tank is one of the ground
Again, I know we shouldn't compare MBT with APC. But, the money should be spent accordingly to get the biggest bang for the buck.
103 Leopard 2 and 50 marder IFV for less than $300 million. Also, to mechanize one infantry battalion, TNI only needs to spend $45 million with simpler APCs.

Instead of buying AV8, perhaps Malaysia could settle with building simpler APCs and use the spare cash to buy other quality stuff instead, like more artillery, ATGM and tank
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Y not tank, apc and arty all together.

I would prefer malaysia going for quality apc instead of cheap apc.
But it does not means I support the av8 project in fact I hate the way they are doing the the project.
they should have go for 2-3 main varaints first and build in numbers. The remaining varaints can develop in futures.
with these it can be cost effective.
perhaps we can even add in AMAP modules as well if we doing it right.

I dun really into above 50tons mbt. Type 10 mbt would be my pick.
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ May 31 2014, 12:02 PM)
Perhaps, it is the matter where we should prioritize quality...on APC, artillery or tank?

One AV8 is equal in cost to two units of Leopard 2RI. The tank is one of the ground assets with high technological quality.

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Again, I know we shouldn't compare MBT with APC. But, the money should be spent accordingly to get the biggest bang for the buck.
103 Leopard 2 and 50 marder IFV for less than $300 million. Also, to mechanize one infantry battalion, TNI only needs to spend $45 million with simpler APCs.

Instead of buying AV8, perhaps Malaysia could settle with building simpler APCs and use the spare cash to buy other quality stuff instead, like more artillery, ATGM and tank
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Production cost is not the same as the whole development cost, pindad also had to make some domestics loans to startup the manufacturing of the anoas, and that would be considered development cost

The deal with AV8 is to build the local industry complete with infras and tech transfered from FNSS

The same as Pindad building the anoa's, they also needs funds to develop the infras and research facility rite?
Not like they know how to build APC from the scratch, as you said the anoa is from french VAB design


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Production cost is not the same as the whole development cost, pindad also had to make some domestics loans to startup the manufacturing of the anoas, and that would be considered development cost

The deal with AV8 is to build the local industry complete with infras and tech transfered from FNSS

The same as Pindad building the anoa's, they also needs funds to develop the infras and research facility rite?
Not like they know how to build APC from the scratch, as you said the anoa is from french VAB design
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Development cost will always be expensive anyway.
We already spend more than usd1bil in development cost on av8.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 11:05 AM)
well depend on doctrine for apc.
Some treat it as low cost disposable battle taxi but it only apply on those whose have large quantities of infantry.
some prefer high qualities of apc and ifv to provide valuable fire support, intel, scouts, anti tank, anti air and protection for its infantry.
lots of country going toward quality values
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AV8 is supposed to be backbone for the 'future' malaysian army.the condor is old as shit but still workable

why would the MA buy something that would be obsolete once its on the ground?the AV-8 is going to be the main vehicle for the next 30-40 years

the Anoa was developed out of desperation.they needed an APC that could be made quick and cheap,doesnt care if its shit

can something like the anoa provide a cheap solution to the condor?yes for the immediate future.is it any better than the condor?no

TNI wants to establish more motorized units,thus it can be understandable for them to use the Anoa.the MA is trying to move forward to a new phase of fighting capability,the cheap Anoa is not what they need

btw,as a vehicle commander the notion that IFVs are disposable is doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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AV8 is supposed to be backbone for the 'future' malaysian army.the condor is old as shit but still workable

why would the MA buy something that would be obsolete once its on the ground?the AV-8 is going to be the main vehicle for the next 30-40 years

the Anoa was developed out of desperation.they needed an APC that could be made quick and cheap,doesnt care if its shit

can something like the anoa provide a cheap solution to the condor?yes for the immediate future.is it any better than the condor?no

TNI wants to establish more motorized units,thus it can be understandable for them to use the Anoa

btw,as a vehicle commander the notion that IFVs are disposable isĀ  doh.gifĀ  doh.gifĀ  doh.gif
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We should have 2 versions: AV8 & AV6

And this one....iveco LMV which I like it better compare to humvee/vamtac....

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Can be given to all infantry units...plus navy & airforce for base defence.

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 31 2014, 12:29 PM)
AV8 is supposed to be backbone for the 'future' malaysian army.the condor is old as shit but still workable

why would the MA buy something that would be obsolete once its on the ground?the AV-8 is going to be the main vehicle for the next 30-40 years

the Anoa was developed out of desperation.they needed an APC that could be made quick and cheap,doesnt care if its shit

can something like the anoa provide a cheap solution to the condor?yes for the immediate future.is it any better than the condor?no

TNI wants to establish more motorized units,thus it can be understandable for them to use the Anoa.the MA is trying to move forward to a new phase of fighting capability,the cheap Anoa is not what they need

btw,as a vehicle commander the notion that IFVs are disposable is  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Condor will be gg if foe have rpg or 50.
Anoa would not be differ either.
sending those vehicle to heavy fire battlefield would be sending them to die.
Yes av8 will be the back bone and build for future battlefield.
Yes ifv as disposable is facepalm laugh.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 31 2014, 12:30 PM)
We should have 2 versions: AV8 & AV6

And this one....iveco LMV which I like it better compare to humvee/vamtac....

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Can be given to all infantry units...plus navy & airforce for base defence.
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why would the MA need both a 8x8 and 6x6 version?

dont compare the iveco LMV with humvee la weh laugh.gif

the otokar cobra is more likely for malaysia

it can replace the defender and G-class in combat roles .all infantry regiments can be transformed into fully mechanized regiments

proton accord can replace defender in office role

sakit ati aku tengok LR defender dengan pintle mount dia pegi guna buat hantar surat pejabat

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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 31 2014, 12:30 PM)
We should have 2 versions: AV8 & AV6

And this one....iveco LMV which I like it better compare to humvee/vamtac....

Can be given to all infantry units...plus navy & airforce for base defence.
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Huhu ltz also into lmv.
AV6 would be redundant. Should order more AV8 instead.

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 31 2014, 12:43 PM)
why would the MA need both a 8x8 and 6x6 version?

dont compare the iveco LMV with humvee la weh  laugh.gif

the otokar cobra is more likely for malaysia

it can replace the defender and G-class in combat roles

proton accord can replace defender in office role

sakit ati aku tengok LR defender dengan pintle mount dia pegi guna buat hantar surat pejabat
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I like iveco LMV more compare to humvee after watching the documentary in nat geographic. They looks more musculine....better protection against IED.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 31 2014, 12:30 PM)
We should have 2 versions: AV8 & AV6

And this one....iveco LMV which I like it better compare to humvee/vamtac....

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Can be given to all infantry units...plus navy & airforce for base defence.

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Why I suggest this?? If u go to any infantry, airforce & navy base....there is no special vehicles for base protection unless u go to mechanized or armour units. Here....we just depending on a sandbags as protection against any threat. At least if we have this light armoured vehicles, it can be use anyway by base protection teams.
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 31 2014, 12:29 PM)
AV8 is supposed to be backbone for the 'future' malaysian army.the condor is old as shit but still workable

why would the MA buy something that would be obsolete once its on the ground?the AV-8 is going to be the main vehicle for the next 30-40 years

the Anoa was developed out of desperation.they needed an APC that could be made quick and cheap,doesnt care if its shit

can something like the anoa provide a cheap solution to the condor?yes for the immediate future.is it any better than the condor?no

TNI wants to establish more motorized units,thus it can be understandable for them to use the Anoa.the MA is trying to move forward to a new phase of fighting capability,the cheap Anoa is not what they need

btw,as a vehicle commander the notion that IFVs are disposable isĀ  doh.gifĀ  doh.gifĀ  doh.gif
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The question is.... "Is expensive, next generation APC really necessary?"

Anoa could already protect troops from small arms fire/shrapnel, provide basic fire support and feature BMS for command versions for $800,000. Those are basic requirements of APCs.

Would AV8 really make difference in battlefield, compared if Malaysian Army uses APCs based on simpler designs? Especially when facing infantry units equipped with light ATGM like NLAW?

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well it is the way to move forward.the LMV is a force multiplier for the infantry

once,we got intel that the enemy was in a town but we couldn't go in because we didn't have any armoured vehicles,took 5 hours for the armour to arrive,by that time the enemy was already entrenched.took 3 days to take it back
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Why I suggest this?? If u go to any infantry, airforce & navy base....there is no special vehicles for base protection unless u go to mechanized or armour units. Here....we just depending on a sandbags as protection against any threat. At least if we have this light armoured vehicles, it can be use anyway by base protection teams.
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lel teringat aku masa kes al-maunah dulu, masa tu aku sekolah kat kem terendak,
lepas kes tu terus letak condor satu kat gate tuh, siap ngan sandbag sekali
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ May 31 2014, 12:52 PM)
The question is.... "Is expensive, next generation APC really necessary?"

Anoa could already protect troops from small arms fire/shrapnel, provide basic fire support and feature BMS for command versions for $800,000. Those are basic requirements of APCs.

Would AV8 really make difference in battlefield, compared if Malaysian Army uses APCs based on simpler designs? Especially when facing infantry units equipped with light ATGM like NLAW?

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What most important now is having situation awareness and couple it with ncw will make a huge different on battlefield.
Av8 is build on these in mind.
Some apc equipe active protection system like the amap-ads on cv90s
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ May 31 2014, 12:52 PM)
The question is.... "Is expensive, next generation APC really necessary?"

Anoa could already protect troops from small arms fire/shrapnel, provide basic fire support and feature BMS for command versions for $800,000. Those are basic requirements of APCs.

Would AV8 really make difference in battlefield, compared if Malaysian Army uses APCs based on simpler designs? Especially when facing infantry units equipped with light ATGM like NLAW?

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if the AV8 provides better protection,better fire support and better C&C then yes

the presence of ATGMs doesnt mean APCs need to be fodder.tanks are just as susceptible to anti armour fire

why provide soldiers with body armour,helmets and NODs while snipers could take them out?

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 31 2014, 01:01 PM)
if the AV8 provides better protection,better fire support and better C&C then yes

the presence of ATGMs doesnt mean APCs need to be fodder.tanks are just as susceptible to anti armour fire

why provide soldiers with body armour,helmets and NODs while snipers could take them out?
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 01:01 PM)
What most important now is having situation awareness and couple it with ncw will make a huge different on battlefield.
Av8 is build on these in mind.
Some apc equipe active protection system like the amap-ads on cv90s
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True, considering MAF basic infantry section is equipped with 2 RPG-7 gunner and 1 six-shot milkor grenade launcher, who in their right mind would spam APCs head-on with them? That's suicide

At least IFVs would stand a better chance
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Of course PRC is better equipped.....

Are u sure hostage exchanged?? Where did u get this info??
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OSA la bro.. how to give u
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i tot u r pegawai at esscom? u dunno?

OSA la bro.. how to give u
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I am not officer in esscom..... but I still can access that matters. Btw...the kidnappers are not MILF, so how they change with MILF.....Lawak apakah ini??
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Hmm, I'm going through puma ifv.
Wow they are adding quite lots of AMAP modules into it.
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I am not officer in esscom..... but I still can access that matters. Btw...the kidnappers are not MILF, so how they change with MILF.....Lawak apakah ini??
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toksah layan la, poser kuat tu
balik main OSA,

alaskanbunny ko duk SG kan?
lagi senang kerja aku!
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lel teringat aku masa kes al-maunah dulu, masa tu aku sekolah kat kem terendak,
lepas kes tu terus letak condor satu kat gate tuh, siap ngan sandbag sekali
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Tu la aku cakap...kalau kem mech atau amour ok....klu kem biasa & airforce & navy....they need this vehicle.... for QRF in base protection. Like singapore practise.... although they just use normal pickup truck with HMG in choke points in their bases.
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toksah layan la, poser kuat tu
balik main OSA,

alaskanbunny ko duk SG kan?
lagi senang kerja aku!
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Sikit2 OSA....nk pancing org expose info la tu.....
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The question is does Boustead really need an upgrade?

Remember PT.PAL also is in a Tot Scheme with Damen for building the Sigma PKR 10514 with a 2 ships programme. PT.PAL didn't need any upgrades to it's shipyard. The only thing that PT.PAL need is to build the submarine facility & machines for the korean sub.
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our Boustead shipyard only have built 1600 tons Meko100, sure shipyard infrastructure have to upgrade to built 3000 tons ship.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 31 2014, 08:51 AM)
Gowind is bigger and the tonnage capacity is almost double of that meko design

Though I got no problem if the gomen just pursue the meko design for batch 2 of kedah class instead of new gowind design,
Patent issue? I dunno
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 31 2014, 01:37 PM)
I am not officer in esscom..... but I still can access that matters. Btw...the kidnappers are not MILF, so how they change with MILF.....Lawak apakah ini??
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how u know not milf? hmm.gif
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how u know not milf?  hmm.gif
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There were no issue on the kedah class batch2.
boustead did submit bidding on her own design based on meko class unfortunately they lost.
German counter part also did offer meko cls design but it was the most expensive among all bidder design.

As for sgpv it does allocate large portion of its cost on the shipyard upgrade. I would not be surprised if it cost over usd200mil for the upgrade.
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They should propose Meko200 or Meko D (3000 tons class) insist Meko CLS which too expensive.
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They need customers on meko cls.
Seem like now they dun have any customer for meko cls.
after lossing on malaysia and Israel bids.
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how u know not milf?  hmm.gif
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Haha.... locals know better than outsiders.
How do I know its not milf?? How do u know its milf?? Which is totally not true. Milf is an organization. U should know how to relate this milf with us.
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Pilak have lots of terrorist clan.
Anyway I dun think it would be milf given that we successful broker a peace deal btw milf and pilak government.

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whats wrong with AV8..? i like them..expensive at first coz we still trying & learning to build them on our own...once every infra are ready, cost may be cheaper.. smile.gif

eventhough some stuff are cheaper if we buy it outside, we can't always buy from foreign countries, what if we at war with the country or its allies..surely they wouldn't sell us the spare parts/equipment necessary for their product to us coz of that..it's time for M'sia to advance her own arms industries...using our own locally-made weapons,tanks,ships,aircraft in the future..

i do wonder why Meko design is not used for NGPV since we already have the blueprint instead of Gowind, cost should be cheaper if proceed with Meko no? blink.gif

anyway, when will we create our own plane? lel..since Army have go on with locally-made AV8, while Navy proceed with Meko and Gowind.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 02:13 PM)
Pilak have lots of terrorist clan.
Anyway I dun think it would be milf given that we successful broker a peace deal btw milf and pilak government.
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No need to worry relationship with milf..... its abu sayaf & other pilak groups that we need to deal with. MILF not even from that islands....
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 02:13 PM)
Pilak have lots of terrorist clan.
Anyway I dun think it would be milf given that we successful broker a peace deal btw milf and pilak government.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 31 2014, 02:19 PM)
whats wrong with AV8..? i like them..expensive at first coz we still trying & learning to build them on our own...once every infra are ready, cost may be cheaper.. smile.gif

eventhough some stuff are cheaper if we buy it outside, we can't always buy from foreign countries, what if we at war with the country or its allies..surely they wouldn't sell us the spare parts/equipment necessary for their product to us coz of that..it's time for M'sia to advance her own arms industries...using our own locally-made weapons,tanks,ships,aircraft in the future..

i do wonder why Meko design is not used for NGPV since we already have the blueprint instead of Gowind, cost should be cheaper if proceed with Meko no?  blink.gif

anyway, when will we create our own plane? lel..since Army have go on with locally-made AV8, while Navy proceed with Meko and Gowind.. biggrin.gif
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Aircraft manufacturing expensive build.
at best we can go for manufacturing partnership which we already done that with a400m.

boustead did try bid with their own design perhaps the navy perhaps navy still not confident enough with them so decided to go for other instead.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 31 2014, 02:27 PM)
No need to worry relationship with milf..... its abu sayaf & other pilak groups that we need to deal with. MILF not even from that islands....
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Yup.
Especially those small terror clans are very annoying to dealt with.
only if we have dozen of killer on the sky.

QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 31 2014, 02:31 PM)
I hope it wasn't MILF considering their benefactors
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Dun worry.
but we need to look out for those mnlf, abu sayaf and some self proclaimed sultan army.
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 31 2014, 01:01 PM)
if the AV8 provides better protection,better fire support and better C&C then yes

the presence of ATGMs doesnt mean APCs need to be fodder.tanks are just as susceptible to anti armour fire

why provide soldiers with body armour,helmets and NODs while snipers could take them out?
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How much better protection, fire support and C&C AV8 will have? Do they worth the high cost?


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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 31 2014, 02:31 PM)
I hope it wasn't MILF considering their benefactors
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nope, this is more to Abu Sayyaf link cluster group
believe it or not there is many Abu Sayyaf link group in Jolo alone,
they gain monetary fund from them.
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nope, this is more to Abu Sayyaf link cluster group
believe it or not there is many Abu Sayyaf link group in Jolo alone,
they gain monetary fund from them.
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But someone claim he know everything & its from MILF... and he keeps it as OSA.... Although he never check where is MILF suppose to be.... where is abu sayaf suppose to be.... philipine is not consist of 10 islands....

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How much better protection, fire support and C&C AV8 will have? Do they worth the high cost?
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that depend on how you look at it.
I will write down the main spec.

Armor
It will 360° protection against 12.7mm caliber ap round.


AV8 C4ISR systems - Thales
HF and VHF radio communications system - STE
OICS - Thales VSys-net
optronics - Thales Catherine XP, DNGS TI and Sophie TAS/C

Variant

Surveillance - Rheinmetall Vingtaqs II (€36mil for development, intergration, documentation, training and equipment) 24unit
Two men turrets, atgm, rws - denel G130, G130+Ingwe atgm system, denel rws (€340mil include intergration, development, documentation, training and atgm missile) 178units.

There are still a few more varianta not much news I have on its.

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that depend on how you look at it.
I will write down the main spec.

Armor
It will 360° protection against 12.7mm caliber ap round.
AV8 C4ISR systems - ThalesHF and VHF radio
communications system - STEOICS - Thales VSys-net
optronics - Thales Catherine XP, DNGS TI and Sophie TAS/C

Variant

Surveillance - Rheinmetall Vingtaqs II (€36mil for development, intergration, documentation, training and equipment) 24unit
Two men turrets, atgm, rws - denel G130, G130+Ingwe atgm system, denel rws (€340mil include intergration, development, documentation, training and atgm missile) 178units.

There are still a few more varianta not much news I have on its.
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Thermals and CCD cameras at front and rear
NBC protection
BMS system link
Protection STANAG-4569 Level 4, with add-on applique armour
Semi-auto pneumatic computer suspension
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 31 2014, 03:01 PM)
But someone claim he know everything & its from MILF... and he keeps it as OSA.... Although he never check where is MILF suppose to be.... where is abu sayaf suppose to be.... philipine is not consist of 10 islands....
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he is as knowledgeable Tony P with his SGPV!
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 31 2014, 03:50 PM)
he is as knowledgeable Tony P with his SGPV!
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Sudahlar tu biar dia je lar.

but interesting to knowing we are going in for ops perhaps china decide not to nego with terrorist policy? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 04:00 PM)
Sudahlar tu biar dia je lar.

but interesting to knowing we are going in for ops perhaps china decide not to nego with terrorist policy? hmm.gif
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actually what is the most interesting is the Timeline
the ops is happen to be on the date when PM should be in China

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 31 2014, 03:48 PM)
Thermals and CCD cameras at front and rear
NBC protection
BMS system link
Protection STANAG-4569 Level 4, with add-on applique armour
Semi-auto pneumatic computer suspension
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Thanks.
though it were a wishfull thinking I was hoping the government would opt for AMAP modules.

anyway I can't find any info on how much the thales deals on the av8.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 31 2014, 04:06 PM)
actually what is the most interesting is the Timeline
the ops is happen to be on the date when PM should be in China
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Which teams involved in the ops?
Paskal or ggk? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 04:10 PM)
Which teams involved in the ops?
Paskal or ggk? hmm.gif
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main team is VAT/UTK but with military involvement too
esp the commando
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 31 2014, 04:12 PM)
main team is VAT/UTK but with military involvement too
esp the commando
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So it going to be vat69 + ggk + paskal.
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So it going to be vat69 + ggk + paskal.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 04:17 PM)
So it going to be vat69 + ggk + paskal.
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donno about paskal, but ggk maybe brows.gif

QUOTE(souless223 @ May 31 2014, 04:28 PM)
abit of overkill correct me if im wrong.
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Got my question in at #iiss_asia #ShangriLaDialogue, how would Msia react if China parked an oil rig in its waters biggrin.gif

Check out @DzirhanDefence's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DzirhanDefence/status/472572925942300672
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ May 31 2014, 02:43 PM)
How much better protection, fire support and C&C AV8 will have? Do they worth the high cost?
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The other dudes have mentioned their protection, but I would like to highlight one thing about the AV8, it will be modular bro. Modular.

This section is damaged? cabut and pasang a new one, like lego. Parts commonality and modularity will make future upgrade and repairs cheap. Researching and developing those lego parts definitely ain't cheap, especially when the base vehicle (FNSS PARS) is not originally made for modularity.
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QUOTE(xtemujin @ May 31 2014, 05:41 PM)
Got my question in at #iiss_asia #ShangriLaDialogue, how would Msia react if China parked an oil rig in its waters biggrin.gif

Check out @DzirhanDefence's Tweet: https://twitter.com/DzirhanDefence/status/472572925942300672
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full speech here

http://rentaka.weebly.com/blog/the-speech-...security-summit
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QUOTE(wanvadder @ May 31 2014, 06:07 PM)
The other dudes have mentioned their protection, but I would like to highlight one thing about the AV8, it will be modular bro. Modular.

This section is damaged? cabut and pasang a new one, like lego. Parts commonality and modularity will make future upgrade and repairs cheap. Researching and developing those lego parts definitely ain't cheap, especially when the base vehicle (FNSS PARS) is not originally made for modularity.
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Thanks.
though it were a wishfull thinking I was hoping the government would opt for AMAP modules.

anyway I can't find any info on how much the thales deals on the av8.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 31 2014, 06:16 PM)
niceeeeeeee~~~Ā  thumbup.gifĀ  thumbup.gif
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puih dia cakap macam salesman

modular is the new marketing buzz word.it used to be 'next-gen' or 'run-flats'

fixing it won't be that much cheaper but will take less amount of time.what used to take mechanics 2 weeks to do in a depot can now be done in the field in a few hours

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29.05.2014 TSAMTO

TSAMTO May 28. Land Forces of Indonesia until the end of the year will receive the first batch of 155-mm self-propelled guns "CaesarĀ» (CAESAR - CAmion Equipe d'un Systeme d'ARtillerie) under the agreement signed with "Nexter cistemzĀ» (Nexter Systems) contract.

According to the "International difenz Review ', ACS production carried out in accordance with the schedule at the plant in Roane (France), and ammunition - factory in Bourges.

As previously reported TSAMTO company "Nexter Systems" in November 2012, confirmed the conclusion of the Ministry of Defence Indonesia contract for the supply of the country NE 37 units. 155-mm self-propelled guns "Caesar." Cost of the program was estimated at 240 million dollars. Delivery schedule is planned to begin transfer of weapons systems in 2013-2014.

According to a recent statement by a source in the Ministry of Finance of Indonesia, only 34 will be purchased ACS worth 108 million euros (140 million dollars). Of this amount, 85% will be taken on credit (it should be noted that the information source in the Finance Ministry of the order reduction has not officially confirmed).

As of SW France, SAU "Caesar" supplied Indonesia, will be based on a truck chassis "Sherpa" 6x6 of "Renault Trucks difenz" (Saudi version installed on the chassis of "Mercedes-Benz").

In a related contract blanket agreement "Nexter Systems" will give the company «PT Pindad" technologies that will provide the service of artillery systems in Indonesia.

For CB Indonesia SPG "Caesar" will be delivered in the configuration with the right wheel and the cockpit, protected against small arms fire and shrapnel ammunition.

It is expected that the first two systems will be supplied NE Indonesia in late 2014. According to initial plans, SAU 18 entered service two divisions, one more will be used for training.

Indonesia is the fourth customer of ACS "Caesar." Saudi Arabia since 2006 three parties acquired 136 units on the chassis "Mercedes-Benz" with the wheel formula 6x6. Thailand received 6 ACS in 2009, and NE France ordered 72 plants and intend to get another 64 units.

Presumably, Saudi Arabia has also ordered a full set of ammunition "Nexter munishnsĀ» (Nexter Munitions), including modern Bonus Mk.II, firing range which is 35 km away.

"Nexter Systems' ACS also offers" Caesar "to other potential customers, including Denmark and India. Denmark is considering purchasing 18 units. India ACS offered on the chassis with the wheel formula 6x6 of "Ashok leyland difenzĀ» (Ashok Leyland Defence). In addition, the Indian armed forces have a number of additional requirements, including increased ammunition.

Reference:

ACS "Caesar" is the only 155-mm self-propelled wheeled cannon artillery system, used Sun France. After completion of the five pre-test samples, 72 were delivered to the system serial French army in the period 2008-2011. They were used during operations in Afghanistan, Lebanon and Mali.

Armed with French army also consist 155mm tracked SPG AUF1 (placed on a modified chassis of the AMX-30) and 155-mm towed TRF1. It is assumed that they will be replaced by a second batch of 64 ACS "Caesar", which previously was scheduled for 2017-2020., But currently moved to the purchase in 2020.


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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 03:39 PM)
that depend on how you look at it.
I will write down the main spec.

Armor
It will 360° protection against 12.7mm caliber ap round.
AV8 C4ISR systems - Thales
HF and VHF radio communications system - STE
OICS - Thales VSys-net
optronics - Thales Catherine XP, DNGS TI and Sophie TAS/C

Variant

Surveillance - Rheinmetall Vingtaqs II (€36mil for development, intergration, documentation, training and equipment) 24unit
Two men turrets, atgm, rws - denel G130, G130+Ingwe atgm system, denel rws (€340mil include intergration, development, documentation, training and atgm missile) 178units.

There are still a few more varianta not much news I have on its.
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Any prediction, how much each unit of AV8 will actually cost, excluding R&D and infrastructure costs. Let's say the there will be 2nd batch production.
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QUOTE(souless223 @ May 31 2014, 04:28 PM)
abit of overkill correct me if im wrong.
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dulu kat ld kita guna paveway bomb dia orang lagi overkill.

QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 31 2014, 07:45 PM)
applique armour is a broad statement,manatau dia letak AMAP

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Tak mungkin lar dia letak AMAP.
I dun see any AMAP looking armor sad.gif
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Any prediction, how much each unit of AV8 will actually cost, excluding R&D and infrastructure costs. Let's say the there will be 2nd batch production.
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Depending on the amount build and which variants.
my guess it will at least reduce the price by half.
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Out of curiosity, why do planes cover their cockpits like this when on static display. Is it just to protect from heat or something else? (Along the lines of satelite imagery from potential enemies)

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QUOTE(aztechx @ May 31 2014, 08:42 PM)
Out of curiosity, why do planes cover their cockpits like this when on static display. Is it just to protect from heat or something else? (Along the lines of satelite imagery from potential enemies)

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Panaih, biasanya kapal terbang yang ada avionics system yang sensitip terpaksa tutup la
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 31 2014, 08:56 PM)
Panaih, biasanya kapal terbang yang ada avionics system yang sensitip terpaksa tutup la
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Hee..Sblom ni xpnah amek port pon tp sambil browse gambar cik su yg dirindui pelik plak. Russian knights pon tutup bila atas tarmac. Power sgt ke satelite sampai bole nampak dlm cockpit tu. blink.gif
Takkan su-27 russian knights tua bangka pon nak cover..haha

Ohh and by the way, these video of the russians su-35 and su-30sm really shows up close those amazing thrust vectoring nozzles in action..amazing!

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 31 2014, 07:45 PM)
applique armour is a broad statement,manatau dia letak AMAP
puih dia cakap macam salesman

modular is the new marketing buzz word.it used to be 'next-gen' or 'run-flats'

fixing it won't be that much cheaper but will take less amount of time.what used to take mechanics 2 weeks to do in a depot can now be done in the field in a few hours
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ May 31 2014, 08:25 PM)
Any prediction, how much each unit of AV8 will actually cost, excluding R&D and infrastructure costs. Let's say the there will be 2nd batch production.
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We'll never know until deftech start the production of these machines
But in terms of estimation, a baseline pure apc FNSS Pars 8x8 "long-wheelbase version" (without weapons) would cost $800,000, so go figure

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APC PIRANHA III - $1,200,000
PARS 8X8 - $1,000,000
ROSOMAK - $2,900,000
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 02:13 PM)
Pilak have lots of terrorist clan.
Anyway I dun think it would be milf given that we successful broker a peace deal btw milf and pilak government.
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we broker milf n pinoy gov... mnlf angwee, we broker mnlf, milf angwee... how la... after that there's so many splinter units that keep barking saying they r not invited

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 31 2014, 02:19 PM)
whats wrong with AV8..? i like them..expensive at first coz we still trying & learning to build them on our own...once every infra are ready, cost may be cheaper.. smile.gif
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no economy of scale bro.. if u can make n export to increase production then ok but if ur product not good enuf for export the design cost, low production n high learning curve will kill u

msia cant even make car, or any ship... how to build for military application? even to assembly not design aug also so much problem...

QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 02:32 PM)
Aircraft manufacturing expensive build.
at best we can go for manufacturing partnership which we already done that with a400m.

boustead did try bid with their own design perhaps the navy perhaps navy still not confident enough with them so decided to go for other instead.
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yes, forming alliance n JV is the best... do simple things urself n work with others for complicated weapons
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 31 2014, 11:25 PM)
we broker milf n pinoy gov... mnlf angwee, we broker mnlf, milf angwee... how la... after that there's so many splinter units that keep barking saying they r not invited
no economy of scale bro.. if u can make n export to increase production then ok but if ur product not good enuf for export the design cost, low production n high learning curve will kill u

msia cant even make car, or any ship... how to build for military application? even to assembly not design aug also so much problem...
yes, forming alliance n JV is the best... do simple things urself n work with others for complicated weapons
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Proton tu ape?? Bukan kereta?? We never make military application?? Kata tau banyak classified infos...takkan tak tau ade company dlm malaysia yg dh develop application & dah digunapakai dlm servis pun. Mane lu punye OSA ni...botswana punye OSA ke?
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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 31 2014, 11:53 PM)
Proton tu ape?? Bukan kereta?? We never make military application?? Kata tau banyak classified infos...takkan tak tau ade company dlm malaysia yg dh develop application & dah digunapakai dlm servis pun. Mane lu punye OSA ni...botswana punye OSA ke?
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waduh... protong doh.gif xmau debat perushaan fail tu

apply dn guna ada, tapi value kos itu tak? atau lebih baik beli dari org lain je?
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jun 1 2014, 12:23 AM)
waduh... protongĀ  doh.gifĀ  xmau debat perushaan fail tu

apply dn guna ada, tapi value kos itu tak? atau lebih baik beli dari org lain je?
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Ur statement kata not even build a car.....so tak kira le fail ke tak tp proton dh build more than a car.....

Apply dan guna...yup. ade value.... masa ops fajar di aden, ape kita pakai?? Dont tell me u dont know coz u know everything right?? NCW yg ATM pakai ni.... masa ops daulat kita pakai ape?? UAV.... ade kita pakai luar punye??

I know u know many things compare to us as u can access "OSA" thingy.... I myself hold BATC5 as well.....

Lots of members here....eventhough they are not in security forces....they know many things, they read a lots for long time, they involve in many military industries...so we share among others....we correct among others.

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 31 2014, 10:00 PM)
We'll never know until deftech start the production of these machines
But in terms of estimation, a baseline pure apc FNSS Pars 8x8 "long-wheelbase version" (without weapons) would cost $800,000, so go figure

Malaysian 8x8 evaluation phase
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From left to right,
APC PIRANHA III - $1,200,000
PARS 8X8 - $1,000,000
ROSOMAK - $2,900,000
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I think AV8 in its full-feature version will cost nearly $5 million. Belgium purchased 242 Piranha III for $1 billion in 2005, or around $4 million each. Stryker costs $5 million each; so this is the proper price for next-generation APCs
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true2..btw, does Deftech and Army have plan to upgrade the AV-8 with 105mm Mobile Cannon System like the USA's Stryker? can replace old light tank that we have like Alvis Scorpion and Sibmas.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jun 1 2014, 12:32 AM)
Ur statement kata not even build a car.....so tak kira le fail ke tak tp proton dh build more than a car.....

Apply dan guna...yup. ade value.... masa ops fajar di aden, ape kita pakai?? Dont tell me u dont know coz u know everything right?? NCW yg ATM pakai ni.... masa ops daulat kita pakai ape?? UAV.... ade kita pakai luar punye??

I know u know many things compare to us as u can access "OSA" thingy.... I myself hold BATC5 as well.....

Lots of members here....eventhough they are not in security forces....they know many things, they read a lots for long time, they involve in many military industries...so we share among others....we correct among others.
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kalau assemble tu bkn build.. masalah besar spare part tu..

adalah, tp itu optimum gak? mcm india tu, mau buat sendiri tp semua yg keluar tu junk

untuk negara kecil, lrbih baik focus upgrade dn maintenance dari scratch..
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PLA will up number of Type 041 subs to 60 in 10yrs

Staff Reporter 2014-05-31 10:31 (GMT+8)

Experts have predicted that China is likely to increase the number of its type 041 conventional submarines to 60 or 70 over the next decade. The Japanese navy also plans to increase the number of its Soryu-class diesel-electric powered submarines from 16 to 22 in response to a perceived threat from China, reports our Chinese-language sister newspaper Want Daily.

Soryu-class diesel-electric powered submarines are the latest model of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force. The vessel has a displacement of 2,000 tonnes and is equipped with an air-independent propulsion system. Japan will purchase another five of the submarine and will get delivery of one per year, increasing the total number of its Soryu-class submarines to ten.

China is preparing to test its latest type-041 diesel-electric submarine in the water recently. The vessel is similar to Germany's new submarine and equipped with an extra sonar system. Its displacement is likely to reach 3,500 tonnes.

US Pacific Command commander Samuel Locklear also said in March that China plans to increase the number of its type 041 conventional submarines to 60 or 70. The country has been building a nuclear-powered submarine that can carry JL-2 ballistic missiles. So far, the main carrier of the missiles has been the type-094 nuclear submarine, which China has four of.

British military magazine Jane's Defense said the Chinese navy has at least four nuclear-powered submarines that can launch ballistic missiles and 53 slightly outdated diesel-electric submarines. US Lieutenant General Michael Flynn said in February that China's ballistic missile nuclear submarines have carried out missions regularly and been spotted in the Indian Ocean.


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Another Day, Another Thai Coup, This Time With Tavors

Thailand has had 18 military coups since they abolished the absolute monarchy in 1932, one every 4.5 years on average. This time around (the last Thai coup was in 2006) there are a lot more Tavor TAR-21 carbines deployed.

The Royal Thai Army is slowly replacing some of their aging stockpile of M16 rifles and M4 carbines with Tavors. They have ordered a total of 106,203 carbines with 58,000 currently in service, which probably makes this coup the largest military deployment of Tavor rifles outside of Israeli conflicts.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05...up-time-tavors/
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how much shipyard these people have seriously?
I search the net, their current type 041 only consist of 13 vessel.
Built 50 vessels in 10 years, about 5 per year is just too powderfulll.

SK, Japan, Pinoy and Taiwan surely would not be happy when they hear this.

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Thai.....Indo....they are very serious..... singapore we know it already.... philipine is planning, at least they are planning for something & announce it.
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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Jun 1 2014, 05:51 PM)
Another Day, Another Thai Coup, This Time With Tavors

Thailand has had 18 military coups since they abolished the absolute monarchy in 1932, one every 4.5 years on average. This time around (the last Thai coup was in 2006) there are a lot more Tavor TAR-21 carbines deployed.

The Royal Thai Army is slowly replacing some of their aging stockpile of M16 rifles and M4 carbines with Tavors. They have ordered a total of 106,203 carbines with 58,000 currently in service, which probably makes this coup the largest military deployment of Tavor rifles outside of Israeli conflicts.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05...up-time-tavors/
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which reminds me, our armed forces have decided to choose M4 as the standard rifles rite?
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RMAF 56th Anniversary Q & A

Marhalim Abas June 1, 2014 Malaysia - RMAF

SHAH ALAM: Just like his counterpart in the other services, RMAF chief Jen Tan Sri Rodzali Daud entertained us – media folks – by answering questions ahead of the anniversary celebrations – the 56th this year.

The 56th anniversary parade this year was held at the Gong Kedak airbase – the home of the Sukhoi Su-30MKM.

The full Q & A is reproduced full below. To be honest I am not so keen on sending written questions as I have no control over the answers. Over the years I had received one word answer to a very long question so I am not so keen about this. That is why I prefer a live interview where you can get to ask more questions based on the answers given even if the answers sometimes is a Yes or No.

Anyhow, Jen Rodzali had explained further about the MRCA programme at the recent RMAF media day which was organised jointly by the service and the Defence Ministry’s Corporate Communication.

It must be noted that I received the answers to my questionnaire two days after the media event, which did not allow me to clarify some of the answers.

The lease-buy solution for MRCA was necessitated by the fact that the Fuclrum service life is not expected to extended further beyond 2015. The MRCA programme was still born as it was initiated without the funding already secured.

Yes I had stated that the Gripen and Typhoon were the favourites for the programme as both had proposed a lease and buy solution, one cannot discount the possibility that either the Super Hornet and Rafale be chosen as the government might go ahead with an out right buy as proposed by RMAF.

With the 11th Malaysian Plan starting in the middle of next year – anything could happen even the postponement of the Fulcrum retirement. Postponement is a possibility but without any major upgrades as this will take too much time to be conducted.

Anyhow, the highlights of my Q&A, is on the PC7 Mk II, Hercules and Nuri upgrades. Malaysian Defence had reported that the deal was supposed to take place during the recent DSA 2014 but it did not happened.

Jen Rodzali said ā€œLetter of Intent was issued to the company, Pilatus Aircrft Ltd, Switzerland for the supply and deliver 5 x aircraft PC- 7 MK II . RMAF will receive the aircraft after 18 months from the date of signing the LOA is expected in the near future.ā€

The Hercules fleet is to continue service until 2030 and the 14 aircraft in service will be fitted a digital cockpit from a Canadian company Esterline CMC Electronics (CMC) with Airod as the prime contractor. Esterline CMC’s system integration experience includes C-130 cockpit upgrades for more than 10 international customers, including air forces in Austria, Brazil, Chile, Dubai, France, the Netherlands and Saudi Arabia. Although Jen Rodzali did not identify the digital cockpit system to be installed but CMC currently markets the Cockpit 9000, which the company described as an integrated, fully digital cockpit, tailored to the requirements of military transport aircraft.

From CMC release ā€œAt its core, the company’s CMA-9000 Flight Management System (FMS) combines with Esterline CMC’s high-integrity GPS Landing System, to provide a comprehensive solution for all flight phases, from departure to precision approach, and in full compliance with published international CNS/ATM navigational mandates and growth provisions.

Meanwhile, as most servicable Nuri is move to Kuching for operational duties in Sarawak and Lahad Datu, at least one example is being used as the test bed for an upgrade programme which had been proposed to RMAF for the last two decades, in one form or another.

The upgrade which may see the Nuri continuing in service until 2030 include mostly replacement of obsolescence parts and equipment and a new digital cockpit. I am told test flights of the Nuri fitted with digital cockpit is being conducted at the moment.

Q&A for RMAF 56th anniversary

Q1 . What is the current status of the MRCA programme . We were made to understand the aircraft manufacturers Boeing , Saab , BAE Systems, Dassault and Sukhoi have sent in their proposal which including a lease-buy solutions to the RMAF and Mindef recently .

Answer: Still in the evaluation stage. Not all companies mentioned proposed a lease-buy solution purchase .

Q2 . Why did the manufacturers proposed a lease-buy solution to the RMAF? Did the RFP stated a lease-buy solution?

Answer: The lease-buy solution were proposed by the manufacturers to the RMAF and not due to the RFP.

Q3. What is the RMAF recommendation for the MRCA programme. An out-right procurement in the 11th Malaysian Plan (RMK11).

Answer: For RMK11, the air force proposed an outright procurement of the MRCA.

Q4. Even if approved by the government under RMK11, the first MRCA will only be operational well beyond 2015. Will this mean the Mig-29N fleet will continue to be operational until the MRCA are in service?

Answer: No, the MiG-29N fleet will be retired in Dec 2015. As a temporary solution, RMAF is proposing to lease fighter jets.

Q5. At the recent DSA 2014, Airod was given the LOI as the prime contractor for the C130 upgrade. Can Tan Sri elaborate further on the project ie what kind of avionic systems have been chosen for this project Is Rockwell Collins is involved in the project?

Answer. Airod Sdn Bhd is the prime contractor of the programme with Esterline CMC (CMC ) of Canada as a systems provider and integrator. All 14 planes will be upgraded in phases to meet the standards of CNS – ATM for global mission readiness Force.

Q6. We were informed that the project will also include a SLEP. Does this mean that these aircraft will continue to operate until 2030 ?

Answer. There is no SLEP programme for the C-130 aircraft . However, with increasing levels of aircraft avionics standards CNS – ATM ā€˜s, the C -130 fleet will be capable of serving efficiently to meet global mission until 2030.

Q7. Airod has also been awarded the contract to provide proof of concept for the digital cockpit for Nuri. What is the status of the project and whether RMAF will allow the media to provide coverage for this project ?

Answer. The Proof of Concept ( POC ) NUP4 still in status Functional Check Flight ( FCF ) where aircraft is tested for suitability and performance after upgrading. Media coverage thereof may be allowed during the process of upgrading the next plane .

Q8.. RMAF should have signed a contract for five aircraft Pilatus PC- 7 MKII at DSA 2014 recently> Was the contract signed and when will the aircraft will be delivered?.

Answer. The LOI was issued to the company Pilatus Aircraft Ltd, Switzerland for the supply and deliver 5 PC- 7 MK II aircraft. The aircraft will be delivered after 18 months from the date of signing of the LOA, which is expected in the near future.

Q9. When will the EC-725 Cougar helicopter fleet will receive their self protection system , refueling probe and weapons ?

Answer. The primary role of the RMAF EC725 aircraft now is for SAR and utility. For the record, this aircraft has the capability to be upgraded for Combat SAR. The focus now is to reach full Operational Capability by the end of June. Increased in capacity depends on the government.

Q10. Butterworth Air Base status. Are negotiations for base redevelopment is now underway? Will the the developer will provide a new base complete with a runway and other equipment ?

Answer. The Defence Ministry (MINDEF ) is still reviewing the proposed redevelopment pf of the airbase by the JV between the Armed Forces Fund Board and TSR Bhd. When a suitable replacement land is identified , the Ministry will examine the need to develop a new airbase based on one to one replacement concept. The requirements include the provision of facilities to improve strategic and operational capabilities of the New Base later.


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Aku paling sedih bab EC725 tu....masa beli mati2 aku dh ingt ready utk CSAR....tp PTU kata upgrade tu depend pd kerajaan plak...

Ni jadi mcm kes NGPV.....fitted for but NEVER with.....
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jun 1 2014, 10:54 PM)
Aku paling sedih bab EC725 tu....masa beli mati2 aku dh ingt ready utk CSAR....tp PTU kata upgrade tu depend pd kerajaan plak...

Ni jadi mcm kes NGPV.....fitted for but NEVER with.....
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Dlm post b4 aku tu....previous page masa press tanye soalan psl EC725 tu
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He was referring to this Q&A.

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Q9. When will the EC-725 Cougar helicopter fleet will receive their self protection system , refueling probe and weapons ?

Answer. The primary role of the RMAF EC725 aircraft now is for SAR and utility. For the record, this aircraft has the capability to be upgraded for Combat SAR. The focus now is to reach full Operational Capability by the end of June. Increased in capacity depends on the government.

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jun 1 2014, 10:54 PM)
Aku paling sedih bab EC725 tu....masa beli mati2 aku dh ingt ready utk CSAR....tp PTU kata upgrade tu depend pd kerajaan plak...

Ni jadi mcm kes NGPV.....fitted for but NEVER with.....
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Cuma tinggal weapon pod je.
Ada yg kata dah beli dah cuma nak remain low profile.

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Cuma tinggal weapon pod je.
Ada yg kata dah beli dah cuma nak remain low profile.
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Low profile tak jadi la kalau orang boleh taw dan leh share kat open forum cmni =)
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Sensor, rwr, flir and chaff already confirmed.
the only thing left is the weapons pod which nowhere to be seen.

20mm cannon pod and 2.75" rocket pod not that expensive.
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Low profile tak jadi la kalau orang boleh taw dan leh share kat open forum cmni =)
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Bukan yg saya kata punya. biggrin.gif
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ESSCOM HOPES FOB TO BE READY BY YEAR END

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KOTA KINABALU, (June 1) — Eastern Sabah Security Command (ESSCom) director-general Datuk Mohammad Mentek hoped construction of the Forward Operation Bases (FOB) in the Eastern Sabah Security Zone (ESSZone) using abandoned Petronas oil rigs could be ready by year end.

He said construction of the FOB in waters off Semporna would take time as the oil rigs were huge and had to be brought from the peninsula to Sabah.

ESSCom, he said, had been requested to identify suitable and strategic sites to place the oil rigs for use as FOB.

Mohammad said he and other ESScom officers, as well as officers from Petronas, would visit the ESSZone waters, especially Semporna, next week to identify the site to place the oil rigs.

When completed, the FOB would not only be used by the security teams to berth their boats for refilling or to get their supplies, but also for helicopter landing, he added.


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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 1 2014, 10:30 PM)
indonesia definitely are ready to invade another country if they have to  sweat.gif
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no SEA nation is ready to invade anyone.none have the logistics to maintain a front for more than a couple of days except singapore
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jun 1 2014, 10:54 PM)
Aku paling sedih bab EC725 tu....masa beli mati2 aku dh ingt ready utk CSAR....tp PTU kata upgrade tu depend pd kerajaan plak...

Ni jadi mcm kes NGPV.....fitted for but NEVER with.....
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10sqn ngan 5 sqn pn blum fully operating lagi
the last Cougar baru sampai kat Subang tgh pasang dan belum buat upacara hand over.


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Indonesia is definitely not in a position to execute an incursion on foreign soil. Yes, they are on shopping spree but the quantity is way inadequate to protect their territories. Their military in general couldnt even form an effective expeditionary force which requires a sizable airlift and sea lift to different part of the region within shortest possible notice. Luckily, like 191 member nations across the world which are under the umbrella of United Nation, emphasis on economy, wide spread social media for sympathy. Otherwise, Singapore would have shot down all their planes and sank their fleet and taking Riau Peninsula from the Indonesian.

Anyway big country is not invincible. History has proven, when JPN annihilated the Chinese air power and raped Chinese cities apart. The Chinese do not have the capability to resist simply because naval power was like almost from little to none and they possessed limited air power. If SG decided to whack Indonesia for some apparent reasons, Indonesia will probably be experiencing what the Chinese experienced in WW2. Personally i think its unlike to happen.



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QUOTE(Nannostomuss @ Jun 2 2014, 01:32 AM)
Indonesia is definitely not in a position to execute an incursion on foreign soil. Yes, they are on shopping spree but the quantity is way inadequate to protect their territories. Their military in general couldnt even form an effective expeditionary force which requires a sizable airlift and sea lift to different part of the region within shortest possible notice. Luckily, like 191 member nations across the world which are under the umbrella of United Nation, emphasis on economy, wide spread social media for sympathy. Otherwise, Singapore would have shot down all their planes and sank their fleet and taking Riau Peninsula from the Indonesian.

Anyway big country is not invincible. History has proven, when JPN annihilated the Chinese air power and raped Chinese cities apart. The Chinese do not have the capability to resist simply because naval power was like almost from little to none and they possessed limited air power. If SG decided to whack Indonesia for some apparent reasons, Indonesia will probably be experiencing what the Chinese experienced in WW2. Personally i think its unlike to happen.
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Actually, Indonesia has an aspiration to become the strongest militarily in the region, even outgunning Australia. Although, may never be as strong as China and India.

According to Citigroup projection, Indonesia will become 4th largest economy in 2050. Other financial organizations have varying projections, but the lowest rank is 6th position in 2050.

Year 2050 (in billion)
China 205,321
India 180,490
United States 83,805
Indonesia 45,901

If it maintains 0.8% GDP for defense budget...equal to $360 billion.

Some people could be somewhat skeptical about this, but if someone prophesied in 1998 that Indonesia will become the 10th largest economy in 16 years according to World Bank, everyone would roll on floor laughing out loud. But, it happens. smile.gif

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 1 2014, 10:30 PM)
indonesia definitely are ready to invade another country if they have toĀ  sweat.gif
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There would be no such invasion.

Indonesia is now entering it's final phase of the 1st Minimum Essential Force (MEF) this year. MEF have now reached 40% capability. The 2nd MEF will kick start as the new president is elected,

2nd MEF ---> 2015 - 2019
3rd MEF ---> 2019 - 2024

Indonesia current defence spending is 0.9% (one of the lowest in SEA) of GDP. The defense budget is projected to increase in 2015 to 1.5% (and yet it is still one of the lowest in SEA) of GDP. But with a GDP that have reached the USD 1 Trillion mark that would see a defence budget of USD 15 Billion.

Indonesia 1st MEF priority is to replace obsolete military hardware and there are lots of it. It would be interesting on what Indonesia would be procuring in the 2nd MEF with a defence budget of USD 15 Billion.

And it looks like the 2 presidential candidates are committed in modernizing the Indonesian military.

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jun 1 2014, 10:54 PM)
Aku paling sedih bab EC725 tu....masa beli mati2 aku dh ingt ready utk CSAR....tp PTU kata upgrade tu depend pd kerajaan plak...

Ni jadi mcm kes NGPV.....fitted for but NEVER with.....
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justification of the high price of the EC725 is that is primed for CSAR..

QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 1 2014, 11:14 PM)
Cuma tinggal weapon pod je.
Ada yg kata dah beli dah cuma nak remain low profile.
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EC725 nak pasang weapon pod mcm mana tu? rocket launchers ke? ke cukup je pasang mini-gun tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

bila beli tapi taknak announce pasal 'low profile' la mengundang persoalan mengenai isu songlap..
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 2 2014, 09:04 AM)
justification of the high price of the EC725 is that is primed for CSAR..
EC725 nak pasang weapon pod mcm mana tu? rocket launchers ke? ke cukup je pasang mini-gun  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

bila beli tapi taknak announce pasal 'low profile' la mengundang persoalan mengenai isu songlap..
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betol betol! now even NGPV also facing the same critisim.

our minister-minister are more concern of their pocket rather than the security of the nation.


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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Jun 2 2014, 09:16 AM)
betol betol! now even NGPV also facing the same critisim.

our minister-minister are more concern of their pocket rather than the security of the nation.
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takkan baru tahu kot bro tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

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Yes, MAF will be using the M4.

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 1 2014, 10:35 PM)
wow
which reminds me, our armed forces have decided to choose M4 as the standard rifles rite?
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how much shipyard these people have seriously?
I search the net, their current type 041 only consist of 13 vessel.
Built 50 vessels in 10 years, about 5 per year is just too powderfulll.

SK, Japan, Pinoy and Taiwan surely would not be happy when they hear this.
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china have more than 100 shipyard, but shipyard built navy ship around 10 plus怂

main shipyard:

- Dalian zhonghua shipyard - Aircraft Carrier, Destroyer 051C, 052D
- Jiangnan Shipyard (shanghai) - Aircraft Carrier, Destroyer 052C/D, Diesel-Electric Submarine
- Wuchang (wuhan) shipyard - Diesel-Electric Submarine, Frigate 056
- Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding - Frigate 054, 056,LPD 071, LCAC
- Guangzhou Huangpu shipyard - Frigate 054, 056, Submarine support ship
- Bohai Shipbuilding - nuclear Submarine SSN, SSBN
- Dalian LiaoNan shipyard - Frigate 056

also 80 unit type 022 FAC built in other small shipyard怂

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 1 2014, 09:30 PM)
indonesia definitely are ready to invade another country if they have to  sweat.gif
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invade who? msia? no lar, msia and singapore is important for indon economy, and indon govt now taking economy seriously
just hope next indon leader is not someone crazy ultranationalist leader sweat.gif
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We getting China LY-80 medium range Surface-Air defence missile ....

Another MoU, between Aneka Bekal Sdn Bhd and Aerospace Long-March International Trade Co Ltd, sees the latter offering the LY-80 (HQ16) Medium-Range-Air-Defence Missile Weapon System bundled with transfer of technology. - See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.JcMdo7D5.dpuf

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 2 2014, 04:21 PM)
We getting China LY-80 medium range Surface-Air defence missile ....

Another MoU, between Aneka Bekal Sdn Bhd and Aerospace Long-March International Trade Co Ltd, sees the latter offering the LY-80 (HQ16) Medium-Range-Air-Defence Missile Weapon System bundled with transfer of technology. - See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.JcMdo7D5.dpuf

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so, good thing or bad thing?
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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Jun 2 2014, 10:28 AM)
Yes, MAF will be using the M4.
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will be using? we already using it la bro tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 2 2014, 04:21 PM)
We getting China LY-80 medium range Surface-Air defence missile ....

Another MoU, between Aneka Bekal Sdn Bhd and Aerospace Long-March International Trade Co Ltd, sees the latter offering the LY-80 (HQ16) Medium-Range-Air-Defence Missile Weapon System bundled with transfer of technology. - See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.JcMdo7D5.dpuf

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actually met the boss of aneka bekal otw to LIMA 2009..

anyway, MOU only, not solid contract to supply..
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 2 2014, 04:31 PM)
will be using? we already using it la bro  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
actually met the boss of aneka bekal otw to LIMA 2009..

anyway, MOU only, not solid contract to supply..
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yaya, hopefully this time project will running will and complete it.
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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Jun 2 2014, 04:29 PM)
so, good thing or bad thing?
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offcouse good thing.
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Plus S300 for long range....
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jun 2 2014, 05:14 PM)
Plus S300 for long range....
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s400 for all range interception tongue.gif

short, medium and long.. just need diff missiles packs wub.gif

but then again s400 just a fancy name for an improved s300 or so it seem.
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 05:17 PM)
s400 for all range interception  tongue.gif

short, medium and long.. just need diff missiles packs wub.gif

but then again s400 just a fancy name for an improved s300 or so it seem.
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O thought S300 is the latest....ade lagi latest rupanye
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jun 2 2014, 05:24 PM)
O thought S300 is the latest....ade lagi latest rupanye
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bro.. ruskies tengah developing s500 system dah

but s400 is said to be an improved s300 system, just s400 sound better for export market rolleyes.gif

kesian.. murica still stuck with their medium range patriots sweat.gif sweat.gif

goes to say, in term of air defense system, rukies offer the best while offense murica offer the best
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 05:28 PM)
bro.. ruskies tengah developing s500 system dah

but s400 is said to be an improved s300 system, just s400 sound better for export market rolleyes.gif

kesian.. murica still stuck with their medium range patriots  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

goes to say, in term of air defense system, rukies offer the best while offense murica offer the best
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dont worry, we no money to buy S300 (around 400 million usd per-set) not event S400, some more S400 not export yet.
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Not all units are equipped with the M4, most still using the Steygr.

Cheers.

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 2 2014, 04:31 PM)
will be using? we already using it la broĀ  tongue.gifĀ  tongue.gifĀ  tongue.gif
actually met the boss of aneka bekal otw to LIMA 2009..

anyway, MOU only, not solid contract to supply..
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 05:28 PM)
bro.. ruskies tengah developing s500 system dah

but s400 is said to be an improved s300 system, just s400 sound better for export market rolleyes.gif

kesian.. murica still stuck with their medium range patriots  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

goes to say, in term of air defense system, rukies offer the best while offense murica offer the best
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different thinkings,the US and NATO depend on aerial superiority and superior detection for air defence.russia/USSR know that their backs will be against the wall in most cases so they usually have the best anti air and anti ship capabilities

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QUOTE(hecklaine @ Jun 2 2014, 03:32 PM)
invade who? msia? no lar, msia and singapore is important for indon economy, and indon govt now taking economy seriously
just hope next indon leader is not someone crazy ultranationalist leader  sweat.gif
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Prabowo, the former special forces commander is likely the one. The latest Tanjung Datu incident just bring more support to him.......

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 2 2014, 05:41 PM)
dont worry, we no money to buy S300 (around 400 million usd per-set) not event S400, some more S400 not export yet.
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s400 ready for export.. china is getting 4 set from russia rolleyes.gif Russia trust china enough that they wont copy the system

i this we need the most also two or four s400 battalion. Of course one would be at the capital and putrajaya whistling.gif Not sure though we need to protect those songlap kings
whistling.gif whistling.gif

one at sabah another at edge of kelantan.. any china planes come in through the south china sea.. shoot them immediately


QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jun 2 2014, 06:34 PM)
different thinkings,the US and NATO depend on aerial superiority and superior detection for air defence.russia/USSR know that their backs will be against the wall in most cases so they usually have the best anti air and anti ship capabilities
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Russia anti air defense is something to fear about. Murica still with their pathetic patriot, even some of the murica citizen start criticizing why cant they develop a longer range sam instead of keep updating the patriot system?

It not like they dont have the capabilities to do so
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 07:36 PM)
s400 ready for export.. china is getting 4 set from russia rolleyes.gif Russia trust china enough that they wont copy the system

i this we need the most also two or four s400 battalion. Of course one would be at the capital and putrajaya whistling.gif Not sure though we need to protect those songlap kings
whistling.gifĀ  whistling.gif

one at sabah another at edge of kelantan.. any china planes come in through the south china sea.. shoot them immediately


Russia anti air defense is something to fear about. Murica still with their pathetic patriot, even some of the murica citizen start criticizing why cant they develop a longer range sam instead of keep updating the patriot system?

It not like they dont have the capabilities to do so
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China special case, we not China.... which also have alot money...
S400 no much help if china really want to attack as..
also long range defense missile successful rate to hit jet fighter after 80km is not more than 50%.
and our military level not at so "high level" yet to operate S400 from financial or technically, good starting from medium range first.

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I prefer korean KM-SAM, they develop it with the help from the russian

They can offer whatever they want, the problem is always about the moneh, moneh~
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 2 2014, 08:34 PM)
China special case, we not China.... which also have alot money...
S400 no much help if china really want to attack as.. 
also long range defense missile  successful rate to hit jet  fighter after 80km is not more than 50%.
and our military level not at so "high level" yet to operate S400 from financial or technically, good starting from medium range first.
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they did offer us the s300 system long ago but i not sure when

If u want to compare "high level", since vietnam can operate a s300, i dont see why we cant considering our army and technology is still much more advance compared to them rolleyes.gif


Just that our top.. think that military spending is not important, instead of finding funds for the all the 3 forces, they are busy finding funds for the next BRIM vmad.gif

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 10:07 PM)
they did offer us the s300 system long ago but i not sure when

If u want to compare "high level", since vietnam can operate a s300, i dont see why we cant considering our army and technology is still much more advance compared to them rolleyes.gif
Just that our top.. think that military spending is not important, instead of finding funds for the all the 3 forces, they are busy finding funds for the next BRIM vmad.gif
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To be exact....to INCREASE to amount for next BR1M.....
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 10:07 PM)
they did offer us the s300 system long ago but i not sure when

If u want to compare "high level", since vietnam can operate a s300, i dont see why we cant considering our army and technology is still much more advance compared to them rolleyes.gif
Just that our top.. think that military spending is not important, instead of finding funds for the all the 3 forces, they are busy finding funds for the next BRIM vmad.gif
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Im not sure about this, they have far more experience in the SAM business than us and vietnam is probably the 2nd in SEA in terms of military power after singapore.
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SAM is not the main priority for us now.
I think we should get
1. FAC ~200 tonnage and 800 tonnage.
2. CB 90s
3. Upgrading kedah class
4. MPA
5. Lease 18 fighter jets wait for more advance jet fighter to be available. Trade in all remaining migs and add in some cash for 1small sqn Mkm
6. More utility heli
7. AEW
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jun 2 2014, 10:41 PM)
To be exact....to INCREASE to amount for next BR1M.....
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kesian.. scorpene dua biji entah sampai bila ada extra brother and sister laugh.gif

QUOTE(lulz @ Jun 2 2014, 10:49 PM)
Im not sure about this, they have far more experience in the SAM business than us and vietnam is probably the 2nd in SEA in terms of military power after singapore.
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most of their system are outdated.. even they admit it laugh.gif

But their country no problem with military purchases in fact the ppl encouraged it to counter china

In malaysia, ruling party find ways to enter their pocket, opposition bising why buy this why busy that. Except us in this community that encourages more arms purchase.

Imagine there a military coup in Malaysia, Finally we will more than enough funds to buy what we want whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif Inb4 my word masuk ISA

QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 2 2014, 10:54 PM)
SAM is not the main priority for us now.
I think we should get
1. FAC ~200 tonnage and 800 tonnage.
2. CB 90s
3. Upgrading kedah class
4. MPA
5. Lease 18 fighter jets wait for more advance jet fighter to be available. Trade in all remaining migs and add in some cash for 1small sqn Mkm
6. More utility heli
7. AEW
9. LPD
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a long list but the answer is always " no fund".. sad lah our military
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 11:11 PM)
kesian.. scorpene dua biji entah sampai bila ada extra brother and sister  laugh.gif
most of their system are outdated.. even they admit it  laugh.gif

But their country no problem with military purchases in fact the ppl encouraged it to counter china

In malaysia, ruling party find ways to enter their pocket, opposition bising why buy this why busy that. Except  us in this community that encourages more arms purchase.

Imagine there a military coup in Malaysia, Finally we will more than enough funds to buy what we want  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  Inb4 my word masuk ISA 
a long list but the answer is always " no fund".. sad lah our military
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 07:36 PM)

Russia anti air defense is something to fear about. Murica still with their pathetic patriot, even some of the murica citizen start criticizing why cant they develop a longer range sam instead of keep updating the patriot system?

It not like they dont have the capabilities to do so
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the patriot is nothing to laugh about

office politics la.AD is primarily the job of the USAF whose command are composed of former air jockeys

if you're a former pilot would you spend your money on developingstupid AD systems or moar badass raptors and lightnings?

the fighters and helos can provide cover so don't need any more AD systems

the patriot and stinger systems are good enough to provide a shield alongside the USAF
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 2 2014, 10:54 PM)
SAM is not the main priority for us now.
I think we should get
1.Ā  FAC ~200 tonnage and 800 tonnage. - Hamina Class nuff said
2.Ā  CB 90s with hellfire missile
3.Ā  Upgrading and 2 more batch of Kedah class
4.Ā  MPA
5.Ā  Lease with option to buy 36 fighter jets wait for new MMRCA jet to arrived and be fully operationalĀ  tongue.gifĀ 
6.Ā  More utility heli
7.Ā  AEW&C
9.Ā  2 xLHD (Mistral class)
10. 2 x LPD (Rotterdam Class) this 2 class of carrier is fully for power projectile
11. MRTT
12. New batch of MBT
13. 2nd batch of Gowind SGPV
14. Type 26 Frigate Program
15. ASW heli
16. SLAAMRAM
17. Starstreak
18. Pantsir
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Lol'ed.
You guys having too much weeds.
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jun 3 2014, 12:56 AM)
the patriot is nothing to laugh about

office politics la.AD is primarily the job of the USAF whose command are composed of former air jockeys

if you're a former pilot would you spend your money on developingstupid  AD systems or moar badass raptors and lightnings?

the fighters and helos can provide cover so don't need any more AD systems

the patriot and stinger systems are good enough to provide a shield alongside the USAF
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Only their navy develop long range AD.
too bad it have been a long time for them to develop badass fighters jet after F14.
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Only their navy develop long range AD.
too bad it have been a long time for them to develop badass fighters jet after F14.
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yeah the role of AD falls on their navy's shoulder as they have the largest destroyer + cruiser fleet in the world.

but based on their budget cut and forecast, they are still short of full AD coverage nationwide.
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Erieye is always the most sensible....but it doesn't have full 360-scanning coverage. Too bad Russian doesn't have something similar to Hawkeye or Elta's rotodome radar. Would be nice if Russian's lightweight AEW platform can be datalinked with Flankers family.

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Erieye is always the most sensible....but it doesn't have full 360-scanning coverage. Too bad Russian doesn't have something similar to Hawkeye or Elta's rotodome radar. Would be nice if Russian's lightweight AEW platform can be datalinked with Flankers family.

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Erieye is always the most sensible....but it doesn't have full 360-scanning coverage. Too bad Russian doesn't have something similar to Hawkeye or Elta's rotodome radar. Would be nice if Russian's lightweight AEW platform can be datalinked with Flankers family.

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You sure erieye dun have 360° scanning coverage? biggrin.gif
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You sure erieye dun have 360° scanning coverage? biggrin.gif
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300° coverage, 150° on each side
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I read on a magazine two years ago they are updating the radar improve coverage to 360° and reduce some of its blind spot.
Perhaps it still under development. hmm.gif
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I read on a magazine two years ago they are updating the radar improve coverage to 360° and reduce some of its blind spot.
Perhaps it still under development.  hmm.gif
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So now we have 4 ec725 deployed at labuan
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RMAF To Enhance Radar System

The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) has to expedite upgrading the national defence radar system as some of the radars are more than 15 years old.

RMAF Chief JenĀ Tan Sri Dato’ Sri Rodzali Daud TUDM said the matter had been discussed with the government.

ā€œIf everything goes well, RMAF will enhance the existing radar system and hope the matter can be considered.

ā€œRMAF is also studying the need to upgrade the airspace detecting system, which is also a priority, apart from the national defence radar system,ā€ he said.

Rodzali said the country’s defence, as well as its military capability, depended on its strength to defend its air space, apart from launching attacks within a short period.

Earlier, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said the country’s radar system and national defence should be re-evaluated being that the government had exposed its military capability and assets during the SAROPSĀ mission for the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Boeing 777-200ER Super Ranger (r/n: 9M-MRO) of the ill-fated Flight MH370

The upgrade of RMAF radar system has been highlighted during the recently concluded Defence Services Asia (DSA) 2014 held in Kuala Lumpur.

Since 1995, the RMAF has operated Martello radars operated by various Air Defence squadrons throughout the country. These radars have been undergoing Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) works to extend their service life for another 15 years but as new threats emerges and with the aftermath of the Flight MH370 incident, there has been as need to procure new radar system for the RMAF.

http://malaysiaflyingherald.wordpress.com/...e-radar-system/
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I read on a magazine two years ago they are updating the radar improve coverage to 360° and reduce some of its blind spot.
Perhaps it still under development.  hmm.gif
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Should be no problem if the Erieye makes 360-degree turn every 5 minutes, as long as one of its main radar lobes is pointed on most probable enemy approach routes
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Should be no problem if the Erieye makes 360-degree turn every 5 minutes, as long as one of its main radar lobes is pointed on most probable enemy approach routes
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Iirc they are adding more cell module into the radar hence increase in coverage and reduce in blind spot.
They even will upgrade several thing like the mission computer, ew and so on.
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Four foreign firms eye P5.9-billion DND patrol aircraft project

At least four firms have expressed interest in joining the auction for the Department of National Defense’s (DND) P5.9-billion acquisition of two long-range patrol aircraft.

DND Public Affairs Service Chief Arsenio R. Andolong told BusinessWorld via telephone that, as of Friday -- the day of the project’s pre-bid conference -- four foreign companies have already bought bid documents, signifying their interest.

These included Canadian firm Field Aviation Ltd. and Israeli defense contractors Elbit Systems Ltd. and Elta Systems Ltd.

European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company -- Construcciones Aeronautics SA (EADS-CASA) Airbus, which earlier expressed interest in bidding for the DND’s P4.9-billion close air support aircraft acquisition project, also bought bid documents for the patrol aircraft project.

The project also entails supplying aircraft sensors and their integration with the DND’s systems.

The first stage of bidding is still scheduled for June 13 at the DND Bids and Awards Committee Conference room, DND building, Camp Emilio Aguinaldo, Quezon City.

However, DND Public Affairs Service Chief Arsenio R. Andolong said that the agency might extend the bid deadline as requested by some bidders who were having trouble registering with the Philippine Government Electronic Procurement System (PhilGEPS).

ā€œWe received requests to extend because may kaunting problems sa PhilGEPS... Mainly sa pagregister online (We received requests to extend because of a few problems with PhilGEPS... Mainly in registering online),ā€ Mr Andolong said.

PhilGEPS is the online portal of the government that contains information on all its procurement processes and the awarding of contracts.

Under Republic Act 9184, otherwise known as the Government Procurement Reform Act, manufacturers, suppliers, and distributors are required to register with PhilGEPS before they participate in bidding activities under the Philippine government. -- Alden M. Monzon


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Iirc they are adding more cell module into the radar hence increase in coverage and reduce in blind spot.
They even will upgrade several thing like the mission computer, ew and so on.
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radar module/emitter should be placed on the front of main radar assembly for forward scanning and on the aircraft's tail for rearward scanning
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So now we have 4 ec725 deployed at labuan
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RMAF To Enhance Radar System

The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) has to expedite upgrading the national defence radar system as some of the radars are more than 15 years old.

RMAF Chief JenĀ Tan Sri Dato’ Sri Rodzali Daud TUDM said the matter had been discussed with the government.

ā€œIf everything goes well, RMAF will enhance the existing radar system and hope the matter can be considered.

ā€œRMAF is also studying the need to upgrade the airspace detecting system, which is also a priority, apart from the national defence radar system,ā€ he said.

Rodzali said the country’s defence, as well as its military capability, depended on its strength to defend its air space, apart from launching attacks within a short period.

Earlier, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said the country’s radar system and national defence should be re-evaluated being that the government had exposed its military capability and assets during the SAROPSĀ mission for the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Boeing 777-200ER Super Ranger (r/n: 9M-MRO) of the ill-fated Flight MH370

The upgrade of RMAF radar system has been highlighted during the recently concluded Defence Services Asia (DSA) 2014 held in Kuala Lumpur.

Since 1995, the RMAF has operated Martello radars operated by various Air Defence squadrons throughout the country. These radars have been undergoing Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) works to extend their service life for another 15 years but as new threats emerges and with the aftermath of the Flight MH370 incident, there has been as need to procure new radar system for the RMAF.

http://malaysiaflyingherald.wordpress.com/...e-radar-system/
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4?
I was told 5 unit hmm.gif under the 5 squadron
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Emirates chief asks why no fighter jet tracked MH370

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Emirates chief Tim Clark has reportedly questioned why fighter jets did not intercept Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 when it veered widely off course, but said he believed the missing plane will be found.

Mr Clark said that more information on the disappearance of the Boeing jet, which was carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, was needed before the industry changes its aircraft tracking procedures.

The Emirates boss told The Australian Financial Review at an annual airlines conference in Doha that the plane would have been intercepted by military aircraft if it had flown off course over other countries.

"If you were to fly from London to Oslo and then over the North Sea you turned off and then went west to Ireland, within two minutes you'd have Tornadoes, Eurofighters, everything up around you," he said. "Even if you did that over Australia and the US, there would be something up. I'm not quite sure where primary radar was in all of this."

- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/aust...h.Ni3oFLS3.dpuf
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 3 2014, 01:41 PM)
Hmm, flyingherald kata 4.
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hmm, maybe there is a still misunderstanding
oh well, it is doesn't matter
all the EC725 are already there in Labuan and they are fully operated squadron

the reason why more Super Cougar here in Pahang is because it will also served as training helo to new crew
I've got a chance to see the Cougar new house (still under development) it is freaking huge, consist of 2 large hanger with administration and training building in the middle!
for now the cougar tompang the old 10 sqn Hangar and 17 sqn Hangar
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 3 2014, 02:08 PM)
hmm, maybe there is a still misunderstanding
oh well, it is doesn't matter
all the EC725 are already there in Labuan and they are fully operated squadron

the reason why more Super Cougar here in Pahang is because it will also served as training helo to new crew
I've got a chance to see the Cougar new house (still under development) it is freaking huge, consist of 2 large hanger with administration and training building in the middle!
for now the cougar tompang the old 10 sqn Hangar and 17 sqn Hangar
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Hopefully more cougar in the future.
The cuurent sqn size still relatively small.
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We getting China LY-80 medium range Surface-Air defence missile ....

Another MoU, between Aneka Bekal Sdn Bhd and Aerospace Long-March International Trade Co Ltd, sees the latter offering the LY-80 (HQ16) Medium-Range-Air-Defence Missile Weapon System bundled with transfer of technology. - See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.JcMdo7D5.dpuf

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Hopefully more cougar in the future.
The cuurent sqn size still relatively small.
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btw, me just got a very juicy news
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btw, me just got a very juicy news
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Pm me too
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Earlier, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said the country’s radar system and national defence should be re-evaluated being that the government had exposed its military capability and assets during the SAROPSĀ mission for the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Boeing 777-200ER Super Ranger (r/n: 9M-MRO) of the ill-fated Flight MH370
how compromised are we from the exposure?

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apa PM PM
tukar code word

U both got Rosma  tongue.gif
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how compromised are we from the exposure?
uit nak gak  wave.gif
even better just post here la~
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No article on how they saved the tourist? They should hype a bit, no wonder no one give a shit about military procurement.
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Labuan RMAF Receives 4 EC725 Helicopters
3 June 2014 Tuesday

LABUAN, June 3 (Bernama) -- The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) base here has received four Eurocopter EC725 to replace the Nuri helicopters which had been in operation since 1968.

Air force chief Tan Sri Rodzali Daud said the assets were four of 12 helicopters costing more than RM1.6 billion, that were secured by the RMAF to replace its 28 Nuri helicopter units.

"The EC725 is capable of executing two functions...tactical such as search and rescue operations and as a logistic support," he told reporters after the handing over ceremony here on Tuesday.

Rodzali said acquiring a modern and high tech aircraft such as the EC725 was in the RMAF Plan to enhance its strength.

He said the other eight EC725 helicopters had been handed over to the RMAF base in Kuantan.

-- BERNAMA

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/ge/general.php
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DCNS Wins €1 Billion Gowind Corvettes Contract

Source : Our Bureau ~ Dated : Tuesday, June 3, 2014 @ 02:24 PM

DCNS has won a €1 billion contract from Egypt for the acquisition of four Gowind corvettes, according to La Tribune. This contract is yet to be confirmed.

DCNS has beaten off rival bids from Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (Meko A200 corvettes) and the Dutch Damen Schelde group (Sigma corvette).

The contract covers two ships with another two on option, of which one would be built in France and the others in Egypt. The Gowind design selected by Egypt is the Gowind 2,400 tonne variant, fitted with DCNS’ own SETIS combat management system. The contract with DCNS does not include the ships’ armament, which will be provided by MBDA, and which La Tribune says will include MICA VL air-defense missiles and Exocet MM-40 anti-ship missiles.


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Barnes Deploys Crews to Malaysia for Training Exercises

WESTFIELD, Mass. (WGGB) — Barnes Air National Guard base has begun deploying crews to Malaysia for a three week multinational exercise called COPE TAUFAN.

Senior Master Sgt. Robert Sabonis made the announcement Monday explaining that a number of F-15C/D aircraft along with over 100 members of the 104th Fighter Wing have been deploying to Malaysia since Saturday.

The exercise operations will join Massachusetts Air National Guard members with active duty F-22 Raptor aircraft and multinational Mig-29 and Su-27 aircraft.

ā€œThe 104th Fighter Wing’s involvement in this exercise speaks volumes to the relevance of this unit in the global theater,ā€ said Col James J. Keefe, Wing Commander. ā€œWe were asked to participate in this exercise because of our proficiency with Advance Fighter Integrationā€.

During this exercise, American fighter aircraft will fly dissimilar aircraft training with Royal Malaysian Air Force MiG-29 and SU-27 aircraft. ā€œThese exercises both build relationships with one of our strategic partners but also aids in developing tactics for F-15 and F-22 integration in the Pacific Theater of Operations,ā€ adds Keefe.

This is the furthest west the 104th has traveled for a training exercise.

Back in March, National Guard members from Barnes participated in training at Hickam Air Force Base in Hawaii. The goal is to demonstrate the ability to cover contingencies to the East as well as to the West.


http://www.wggb.com/2014/06/02/barnes-depl...ning-exercises/

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Should be no problem if the Erieye makes 360-degree turn every 5 minutes, as long as one of its main radar lobes is pointed on most probable enemy approach routes
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I read on a magazine two years ago they are updating the radar improve coverage to 360° and reduce some of its blind spot.
Perhaps it still under development.Ā  hmm.gif
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actually in Saab website, Erieye 2000 broaches is listed 360Āŗ azimuth coverage, some other website said fully detection range is 150Āŗ each side, other 60Āŗ not getting full detection range.

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more complete report,

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The contract covers two ships with another two on option, of which one would be built in France and the others in Egypt. The Gowind design selected by Egypt is the Gowind 2,400 tonne variant, fitted with DCNS’ own SETIS combat management system. The contract with DCNS does not include the ships’ armament, which will be provided by MBDA, and which La Tribune says will include MICA VL air-defense missiles and Exocet MM-40 anti-ship missiles. The missile installations are valued at about €50 million, with another €300-400 million for the missiles themselves.


1 Billion Euro = USD 1.36 + 0.5 B for missile with installation = USD 1.8 billion for 4 ship
2400 tons @ 405 million +- each. seems ok.

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Indonesia will have at least a total of 18 mechanized infantry battalions based on Anoa APC...out of 100 infantry battalions in TNI-AD. There are currently 3 in Kodam Jaya (Jakarta), three are being converted in Kodam Brawijaya (East Java)...that will require nearly 1000 Anoa, about USD 800 million total.

http://www.antaranews.com/berita/437162/tn...s-di-tiap-kodam

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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Jun 4 2014, 12:01 AM)
Barnes Deploys Crews to Malaysia for Training Exercises

WESTFIELD, Mass. (WGGB) —  Barnes Air National Guard base has begun deploying crews to Malaysia for a three week multinational exercise called COPE TAUFAN.

Senior Master Sgt. Robert Sabonis made the announcement Monday explaining that a number of F-15C/D aircraft along with over 100 members of the 104th Fighter Wing have been deploying to Malaysia since Saturday.

The exercise operations will join Massachusetts Air National Guard members with active duty F-22 Raptor aircraft and multinational Mig-29 and Su-27 aircraft.

ā€œThe 104th Fighter Wing’s involvement in this exercise speaks volumes to the relevance of this unit in the global theater,ā€ said Col James J. Keefe, Wing Commander.  ā€œWe were asked to participate in this exercise because of our proficiency with Advance Fighter Integrationā€.

During this exercise, American fighter aircraft will fly dissimilar aircraft training with Royal Malaysian Air Force MiG-29 and SU-27 aircraft.  ā€œThese exercises both build relationships with one of our strategic partners but also aids in developing tactics for F-15 and F-22 integration in the Pacific Theater of Operations,ā€ adds Keefe.

This is the furthest west the 104th has traveled for a training exercise.

Back in March, National Guard members from Barnes participated in training at Hickam Air Force Base in Hawaii.  The goal is to demonstrate the ability to cover contingencies to the East as well as to the West.
http://www.wggb.com/2014/06/02/barnes-depl...ning-exercises/

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hantar F15 asik kene tapau je
even though system limited at only 30%
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yep, aku sembang ngan budak Div 1 hari tu
dah lama US nak mintak ex ngan MKM
hantar F15 asik kene tapau je
even though system limited at only 30%
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yep, aku sembang ngan budak Div 1 hari tu
dah lama US nak mintak ex ngan MKM
hantar F15 asik kene tapau je
even though system limited at only 30%
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patut send div with F15 E/F more same level match mah. brows.gif

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Bro, syok sendiri ke?
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aku baca report cope taufan yang melibatkan first time MKM vs F15C
waktu tu MKM punya integration system tak habis lagi
kali ke 2, aku tak dapat baca report, tp dengar lebih kurang jugak, and at that time USAF just got their F15 upgraded
tp kalau takde sebab, awat USAF nak bawak turun Raptor a.k.a grounded king turun Malaysia?

apa lagi kalo nak buat SIGINT dan ELINT towards MKM

logic le bro!
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patut send div with F15 E/F more same level match mah.  brows.gif
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wei, 2nd Cope Taufan MKM vs F15,
F15 USAF baru woo, electronic suite dia macam Korean F15 (or much more advance)
ada gak engagement kalah, tp kali ni pilot masing2 tunjuk terer la

you'll have to remember, mana ada negara yang akan pamer full capability of the plane and pilot skill
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At a six-ton gross vehicle weight the vehicle can carry 1.2 tons of payload over rough terrain in sand, rocky and rugged terrain. With custom 54 inch tires, ground clearance of 0.7 meters and an approach and departure angle of 90 degrees CombatGuard can handle vertical obstacles up to 0.80 meter high with ease. It can also ford water obstacles up to 1.5 meter deep. Photo: IMI


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The monocoque capsule protected hull accommodates six fully equipped troops along with modern, advanced weapon systems. Locating the wheels on the capsule’s sides also enhances the capsule’s protection. The modular design enables the application of different level, including protection against advanced threats such as EFP, land mines and blast. Photo: IMI


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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 4 2014, 03:07 PM)
yep, aku sembang ngan budak Div 1 hari tu
dah lama US nak mintak ex ngan MKM
hantar F15 asik kene tapau je
even though system limited at only 30%
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QUOTE(James Bum @ Jun 4 2014, 03:20 PM)
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 4 2014, 06:17 PM)
aku baca report cope taufan yang melibatkan first time MKM vs F15C
waktu tu MKM punya integration system tak habis lagi
kali ke 2, aku tak dapat baca report, tp dengar lebih kurang jugak, and at that time USAF just got their F15 upgraded
tp kalau takde sebab, awat USAF nak bawak turun Raptor a.k.a grounded king turun Malaysia?

apa lagi kalo nak buat SIGINT dan ELINT towards MKM

logic le bro!
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tuler bro, biler kita cakap perkara yg betul dan hebat pasal ATM, ada yg kata kita syok sendiri..walhal mmg betul..payah nak layan bebudak mcm tu bro tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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tuler bro, biler kita cakap perkara yg betul dan hebat pasal ATM, ada yg kata kita syok sendiri..walhal mmg betul..payah nak layan bebudak mcm tu bro  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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nak buat mcam mana, mata hati depa buta ngan pencapaian rakan senegara sendiri cry.gif

jom bagi contoh lagi


nama pilot buat aksi nih callsign dia PMAD - aku selamba je panggil Pak Mad!

PMAD stand for Pilot Mad, given by the russian instructor pasal dia ni lagi daring dari top gun russia!
even though at that time he was only a trainee!

so syiok sendiri jugak ke tu?
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MANILA, June 4 (PNA) -- The Philippine Navy (PN) on Wednesday announced that the two armed versions of its AgustaWestland AW-109Es are scheduled to be delivered before the end of 2014.

This was confirmed by Navy public affairs office chief Cmdr. Gregory Fabic in an interview with the PNA.

"They will be delivered before the end of the year," he stressed.

These versions will be armed with machine guns and air-to-ground rockets.

Three of the PN's AW-109Es, the unarmed version, was formally activated and tasked to join the fleet last May 21.

These aircraft were formally commissioned into service last Dec. 22.

The AW-109 "Power" helicopter is a three-ton class eight seat helicopter powered by two Pratt and Whitney PW206C engines.

The spacious cabin is designed to be fitted with a number of modular equipment packages for quick and easy conversion between roles.

The aircraft’s safety features include a fully separated fuel system, dual hydraulic boost system, dual electrical systems and redundant lubrication and cooling systems for the main transmission and engines.

The AW-109 has established itself as the world’s best selling light-twin helicopter for maritime missions.

It's superior speed, capacity and productivity combined with reliability and ease of maintenance make it the most cost effective maritime helicopter in its class.

For shipboard operations, the aircraft has a reinforced-wheeled landing gear and deck mooring points as well as extensive corrosion protection measures.

The ability to operate from small ships in high sea state enables the AW-109 to perform its mission when many others helicopters would be confined to the ship’s hangar.

Over 550 AW-109 "Power" and AW-109 light utility helicopters have been ordered for commercial, parapublic and military applications by customers in almost 50 countries. (PNA)


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nak buat mcam mana, mata hati depa buta ngan pencapaian rakan senegara sendiri  cry.gif

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cuba ko post citer puji menggunung pencapaian rakan sejiran, sure reply pujian setinggi Everest dkt 100 postings laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif ..

tu lum cerita lg apa yg brader2 komando dok buat hari2.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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cuba ko post citer puji menggunung pencapaian rakan sejiran, sure reply pujian setinggi Everest dkt 100 postings  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif ..

tu lum cerita lg apa yg brader2 komando dok buat hari2.. tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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IMPERIAL, Calif. (AP) — A Marine jet crashed into a residential area and destroyed two homes in a Southern California desert community Wednesday, but no one was injured, authorities said.

Despite the explosive crash on a street of tightly packed houses, 1st Lt. Jose Negrete (neh-GREH-tay) said no people on the ground were hurt. The pilot had ejected safely, was taken to a hospital for evaluation and released, officials said.


The Harrier AV-8B went down in a front yard at 4:20 p.m. PDT in Imperial, a city of about 15,000 near the U.S.-Mexico border about 90 miles east of San Diego.

Debris from the plane hit the roof of one of the houses, which was destroyed, Marine Lt Col John Ferguson said. The subsequent explosion and fire destroyed another house and badly damaged one more.

The house that suffered the brunt of the damage had a missing roof but still had walls and windows intact.

Christopher Garcia, 11, was watching television two blocks away with his father and brother when he heard an explosion that "felt like an earthquake." He hurried outside to see a pilot parachuting into a field about 200 yards from the crash.

"A mushroom cloud of black and red smoke" rose above the house with the collapsed roof, he said. The garage of the house next door was on fire.

He saw a woman crying outside saying, "That's my house!"

Adriana Ramos, 45, whose home is less than a block from the crash, said her "whole house moved."

"It felt like a bomb was thrown in the backyard," Ramos said.

Another witness, Jose Santos, was driving nearby and saw the plane flying "really low." Then "it just fell down," he said.

Santos sped toward the crash site. On the way, he saw the pilot on the ground.

"He didn't look like he was injured. He was rolling from side to side," and a police officer and others were helping him, Santos said.


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At the crash site, there was chaos as people ran in every direction, he said. The two homes were on fire and it was unclear if anyone was inside.

The plane was from Marine Corps Air Station Yuma in Arizona, said Cpl. Melissa Lee, a spokeswoman for Marine Corps Air Station Miramar. She had no details about what might have caused the accident.

This was the second crash in a month of a Harrier jet from the Yuma air base.

On May 9, a pilot was able to eject safely before his jet crashed in a remote desert area near the Gila River Indian Community, south of Phoenix. No one was injured.

And in July, 2012 another AV-8B Harrier crashed in an unpopulated area 15 miles from the air base, which is among the busiest in the world for the Marine Corps, and is used it to train military aviators from around the nation.


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Bersempena pengunduran US dari Afghanistan pada 2016, military assets berupa heavy equipment & vehicles bernilai USD 8 Billion akan dijual,dimusnahkan atau dibagi secara percuma. Kos total penghantaran balik ke US aje dah lebih kurang USD 5-6 Billion,so kerajaan US bercadang untuk write-off semua aset2 ni. Setakat ni Croatia dah booking 150 lori MRAP. Pembeli tanggung sendiri kos transport.

Apa lagi,meh hantar C-130 ke Bagram,angkat satu MRAP sorang!

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Mayat dipercayai Gareth David Huntley, 34, dibawa menggunakan helikopter Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia ke Hospital Tengku Ampuan Afzan (HTAA) Kuantan untuk bedah siasat selepas ditemui di tepi sungai Mentawak, Kampung Juara, Pulau Tioman.

Timbalan Pengarah Bomba dan Penyelamat Pahang Morni Mamat berkata pihaknya belum dapat memastikan sama ada mayat yang ditemui itu adalah warga Britain yang dilaporkan hilang sebelum ini berikutan identiti mayat tersebut sukar dikenal pasti kerana selain tidak mempunyai dokumen pengenalan diri, sebahagian muka mangsa juga sudah dalam keadaan reput.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 5 2014, 04:49 PM)
Lai lai lai

Bersempena pengunduran US dari Afghanistan pada 2016, military assets berupa heavy equipment & vehicles bernilai USD 8 Billion akan dijual,dimusnahkan atau dibagi secara percuma. Kos total penghantaran balik ke US aje dah lebih kurang USD 5-6 Billion,so kerajaan US bercadang untuk write-off semua aset2 ni. Setakat ni Croatia dah booking 150 lori MRAP. Pembeli tanggung sendiri kos transport.

Apa lagi,meh hantar C-130 ke Bagram,angkat satu MRAP sorang!

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They offered to us before. But dunno what will we take. I'm pretty sure we will take something.
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They offered to us before. But dunno what will we take. I'm pretty sure we will take something.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 5 2014, 04:49 PM)
Lai lai lai

Bersempena pengunduran US dari Afghanistan pada 2016, military assets berupa heavy equipment & vehicles bernilai USD 8 Billion akan dijual,dimusnahkan atau dibagi secara percuma. Kos total penghantaran balik ke US aje dah lebih kurang USD 5-6 Billion,so kerajaan US bercadang untuk write-off semua aset2 ni. Setakat ni Croatia dah booking 150 lori MRAP. Pembeli tanggung sendiri kos transport.

Apa lagi,meh hantar C-130 ke Bagram,angkat satu MRAP sorang!

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 5 2014, 11:38 AM)
nak buat mcam mana, mata hati depa buta ngan pencapaian rakan senegara sendiri  cry.gif

jom bagi contoh lagi


nama pilot buat aksi nih callsign dia PMAD - aku selamba je panggil Pak Mad!

PMAD stand for Pilot Mad, given by the russian instructor pasal dia ni lagi daring dari top gun russia!
even though at that time he was only a trainee!

so syiok sendiri jugak ke tu?
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Typical malaysians la tu.. Setiap masa merendahkan negara not only military punya bende.

In fact masa LIMA 2011, MKM tgh perform ada makcik sorng ni dok cakap "pilot russia ni..." And husband die mengangguk je..nak je aku tampaq laju2
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QUOTE(aztechx @ Jun 5 2014, 07:31 PM)
Typical malaysians la tu.. Setiap masa merendahkan negara not only military punya bende.

In fact masa LIMA 2011, MKM tgh perform ada makcik sorng ni dok cakap "pilot russia ni..." And husband die mengangguk je..nak je aku tampaq laju2
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Those are photos of Indonesian Army Leopard 2 tank crews training in Germany according to the source of the photos. Most probably training in preparation for the 2nd batch of delivery.

As reported by Janes in it's article that the next delivery of around 21 unit Leopard 2RI (MBT Revolution) are slated for 11 September 2014.

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In total, Indonesia is committed to buying 103 vehicles, 10 of which are engineering and support vehicles. The remaining 93 are Leopard 2A4s, at least 61 of which will receive elements of the Rheinmetall 'Revolution' modular upgrade package. These upgraded MBTs have been renamed the Leopard RI, for Republic of Indonesia.

Of the total order, two Leopard 2A4s were delivered on 22 September 2013. The next delivery, slated for 11 September 2014, will consist of 21 Leopard RIs.

http://www.janes.com/article/38102/indones...mbt-acquisition


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Those are photos of Indonesian Army Leopard 2 tank crews training in Germany according to the source of the photos. Most probably training in preparation for the 2nd batch of delivery.

As reported by Janes in it's article that around 21 unit Leopard 2RI (MBT Revolution) are slated for delivery for 11 September 2014.
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confirmation from TUDM regarding Cope Taufan and F22

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 5 2014, 11:38 AM)
nak buat mcam mana, mata hati depa buta ngan pencapaian rakan senegara sendiriĀ  cry.gif

jom bagi contoh lagi


nama pilot buat aksi nih callsign dia PMAD - aku selamba je panggil Pak Mad!

PMAD stand for Pilot Mad, given by the russian instructor pasal dia ni lagi daring dari top gun russia!
even though at that time he was only a trainee!

so syiok sendiri jugak ke tu?
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jujurnya aku rasa pilot russia bagus lagi (tak boleh nak cakap bohong, berdosa).. tapi pilot Malaysia tu not bad dan agak kreatif mula minit 5:40 dia macam cuba gabungkan gerakan pusingan j-turn + herbst + cobra hmm.gif

lepas ni boleh cuba gerakan kulbit 360 degree pula.. tapi saya cadang guna simulator --> pesawat training dulu baru guna jet sukhoi.. jangan pakai pesawat sukhoi terus, karang terhempas pula tak pasal-pasal penuh ruang komen kat forum ni pula sweat.gif

Kulbit 360 degree jet Sukhoi


Kulbit 360 degree jet MiG


pakai jet training dulu kalau nak buat gerakan gempak-gempak..
pilot russia semua pun mula dari jet camni dulu sebelum pakai jet pejuang sukhoi buat gerakan pelik-pelik tu semua


pada pendapat peribadi aku memang jet sukhoi adalah di ranking #1 dunia untuk buat gerakan pelik-pelik tapi kena mula dari bawah dulu,
jangan terus pakai jet sukhoi, sekali dia terhempas mampus nak jawab nanti dengan rakyat Malaysia, harga dia mahal sungguh..


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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 6 2014, 01:55 AM)
confirmation from TUDM regarding Cope Taufan and F22
http://rentaka.weebly.com/blog/siaran-medi...-teak-mint-2014
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atreyuangel apabila kumpulan air force dari amerika ke markas utama TUDM datang kata pada diaorang minat nak lawat dan belajar di Maxwell Air Force Base di Alabama, USA yang merupakan Air Education and Training Command (AETC) dan merupakan Air University (United States Air Force), minat nak dapatkan latihan intensif di universiti airforce USA.. kalau boleh minta sekali kata Malaysia minat nak masuk projek jet pejuang generasi ke-6 USA yang katanya Boeing akan buat, dapatkan sekali diskaun dan pakej terbaik untuk sistem AWACS, research center utama diaorang untuk pembangunan jet pejuang generasi ke-6 kemungkinan besar dekat Alabama, USA juga.. dekat sana diaorang memang gila sungguh dengan kapal terbang sampai boleh gaya camni sekali.. mungkin sebab ni USA buat terus universiti air force diaorang di Alabama

pilot dari Alabama, USA bernama Skip Stewart gila betul dah la buat low pass laju pula tu.. dia kata datuk dia di Alabama, USA yang ajar dia buat gerakan camni, pastu dia boleh pula serongkan kapal terbang dia 45 darjah, sikit je lagi nak kena tanah, tetiba naik je atas udara terus dia buat gerakan stunt macam orang gila sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif entah apa sebenarnya yang US airforce ajar kepada pilot diaorang di universiti airforce diaorang di Alabama, USA.. dahsyat gak gerakan diaorang semua ni.. katanya diaorang ada kelab khas diaorang sendiri nak buat gerakan-gerakan camni, dah pernah menang jadi juara dunia sebelum ni


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Armed EC725 undergoes flight tests

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 5 2014, 04:49 PM)
Lai lai lai

Bersempena pengunduran US dari Afghanistan pada 2016, military assets berupa heavy equipment & vehicles bernilai USD 8 Billion akan dijual,dimusnahkan atau dibagi secara percuma. Kos total penghantaran balik ke US aje dah lebih kurang USD 5-6 Billion,so kerajaan US bercadang untuk write-off semua aset2 ni. Setakat ni Croatia dah booking 150 lori MRAP. Pembeli tanggung sendiri kos transport.

Apa lagi,meh hantar C-130 ke Bagram,angkat satu MRAP sorang!

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Washington (AFP) - A US Navy jet crashed into the sea as it was making a late-night approach to land on an aircraft carrier
off the coast of southern California, officials said Thursday.

The pilot ejected from the F/A-18E Super Hornet before impact at about 10:00 pm Wednesday (0500 GMT Thursday)
and was in stable condition aboard the USS Carl Vinson, the Navy said in a statement.

The other aircraft operating at the time of the accident were diverted to the Coronado naval base in California,
where they landed without incident an hour after the crash, it said.

The F/A-18E Super Hornet was not recovered.

"All air operations have ceased aboard Carl Vinson until further notice," the Navy said, adding that an investigation
had been launched to determine the cause of the accident.

Another US military aircraft crashed Wednesday in California, local media reported. The pilot of the Marine Harrier jet
ejected for reasons that were not yet clear, and the aircraft crashed in a residential area. No one was hurt.


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since they're bringing the Raptors..
can we test the Radar Vera Dalam Kari? (Vera-E to the slow minded) brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 6 2014, 04:24 PM)
since they're bringing the Raptors..
can we test the Radar Vera Dalam Kari? (Vera-E to the slow minded) brows.gif  brows.gif
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Shh.. maybe they ady did deploy it, but senyap2 lar
Being a passive radar, you never know
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 6 2014, 04:33 PM)
Shh.. maybe they ady did deploy it, but senyap2 lar
Being a passive radar, you never know
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i believe they will use it
bila masa lagi kan nak test potential Vera-E laugh.gif
when u say 'senyap2' mean USA can't detect whether Vera-E is switched on? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 6 2014, 04:39 PM)
i believe they will use it
bila masa lagi kan nak test potential Vera-EĀ  laugh.gif
when u say 'senyap2' mean USA can't detect whether Vera-E is switched on?Ā  hmm.gif
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Yes, cuz Vera-E is passive locator that relies on ELINT (Electronic intelligence)
Actually not a "radar" on actual terms, it's like locating a handphone based on signal tower triangulation

So if that F-22 switches on it's AN/APG-77 radar, IFF, jammers or anything electronics, Vera-E will pick that up

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No photos on Raptor yet?

I get these recently....is this in Cope Taufan 2014?

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 6 2014, 04:59 PM)
No photos on Raptor yet?

I get these recently....is this in Cope Taufan 2014?

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this picture is fact very recent, the Raptor arrived about noon today

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Joke: did our radar detect them?
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 6 2014, 04:54 PM)
Yes, cuz Vera-E is passive locator that relies on ELINT (Electronic intelligence)
Actually not a "radar" on actual terms, it's like locating a handphone based on signal tower triangulation

So if that F-22 switches on it's AN/APG-77 radar, IFF, jammers or anything electronics, Vera-E will pick that up
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Ada news sudah on.. and started data gathering.

Budak kata too good of information to let got, next time sg f35 can be tracked better with this information

Plus, since normal radar difficult to track f22, it also used as location radar. Budak US pun tahu cuma both side buat muka 'u know, I know, we both keep quiet"

Buat they dont want too tell me whre it current location
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since it can cover 450km , just detach it in any military camp.
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since it can cover 450km , just detach it in any military camp.
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Jun 6 2014, 05:52 PM)
Joke: did our radar detect them?
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nak je aku duduk kat SOC01 tuk tengok pergerakan radar kesan si Raptor nih
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U.S., Malaysian Air Forces gear up for Cope Taufan
6 May 2014 Friday

6/5/2014 - JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM, Hawaii -- The U.S. Air Force and the Royal Malaysian Air Force will participate in exercise Cope Taufan 14 from June 9-20, 2014, at P.U. Butterworth and P.U. Subang, Malaysia. Cope Taufan is an excellent opportunity to improve combined readiness and cooperation between the U.S. and Malaysia. This large force employment exercise will include operations in air superiority, close air support, interdiction, tactical airlift, and combat search and rescue.

Cope Taufan 14 will see the participation of C-17s, Special Operations Command Pacific air and ground forces, and the joint deployable electronic warfare range (JDEWR) in the exercise for the first time.

Cope Taufan 14 will also see the first F-22 Raptor deployment to Southeast Asia, an inaugural step toward participation in other Southeast Asia exercise and engagement opportunities.

The U.S. is committed to strengthening partnerships with Malaysia and is honored to participate in this year's event. In addition to Pacific Air Forces staff and exercise support personnel, the following U.S. Air Force units and aircraft are participating in Cope Taufan 14:

-131st Fighter Squadron, 104th Fighter Wing, Barnes Air National Guard Base, Massachusetts (F-15C)
-199th Fighter Squadron, 154th Wing, Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii (F-22A)
-19th Fighter Squadron, 154th Wing, Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii (F-22A)
-36th Airlift Squadron, 374th Airlift Wing, Yokota Air Base, Japan (C-130)
-517th Airlift Squadron, 3rd Wing, Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska (C-17)
-535th Airlift Squadron, 15th Wing, Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii (C-17)
-204th Airlift Squadron, 154th Wing, Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii (C-17)

The exercise allows for an exchange of techniques and procedures to enhance cooperation between U.S. and Malaysian Airmen. It also provides a quality training venue for U.S. and Malaysian aircrew and maintenance personnel.

Pacific Air Forces has conducted exercises with the Royal Malaysian Air Force since the early 1980s. By participating in exercises with military forces from partner nations in the Asia-Pacific, the U.S. demonstrates its commitment to peace and stability in the region.

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 6 2014, 06:07 PM)
Ada news sudah on.. and started data gathering.

Budak kata too good of information to let got, next time sg f35 can be tracked better with this information

Plus, since normal radar difficult to track f22, it also used as location radar. Budak US pun tahu cuma both side buat muka 'u know, I know, we both keep quiet"

Buat they dont want too tell me whre it current location
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so lets perform dogfight test with this thing using the oldest jet fighter we have since some say this raptor is useless in dogfight even cannot compete with old russian MiG. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 6 2014, 04:39 PM)
i believe they will use it
bila masa lagi kan nak test potential Vera-E  laugh.gif
when u say 'senyap2' mean USA can't detect whether Vera-E is switched on?  hmm.gif
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all our radar can see lah,
F-22 used signal booster so can flight to other place for Airshow and exercise. same to F35.
usually flight over many country, so they used signal booster, they also need to keep secret RCS of F22. biggrin.gif

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so lets perform dogfight test with this thing using the oldest jet fighter we have since some say this raptor is useless in dogfight even cannot compete with old russian MiG.  laugh.gif
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even our sukhoi shoot down f-35 recently. tu la bodoh sangat.
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even our sukhoi shoot down f-35 recently. tu la bodoh sangat.
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is this news on the internet ? please give link... interested to read... tq. hmm.gif hmm.gif
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even our sukhoi shoot down f-35 recently. tu la bodoh sangat.
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even our sukhoi shoot down f-35 recently. tu la bodoh sangat.
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even our sukhoi shoot down f-35 recently. tu la bodoh sangat.
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China Navy Plane Crashes on Training Mission: State Media

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Shanghai:  A Chinese navy plane crashed on a training mission over the eastern coastal province of Zhejiang,
the official Xinhua news agency said on Friday, but did not say if there were casualties.

The military plane crashed late on Thursday night in a mountainous area near the city of Yiwu, it said.

Xinhua said the plane belonged to the navy's East China Sea fleet while the military news channel of the Sina website
quoted sources as saying the aircraft was a fighter-bomber JH-7 "Flying Leopard".

The fleet's area of responsibility includes disputed islands in the East China Sea, according to state media,
which Japan administers and calls the Senkaku islands but which China also claims and names the Diaoyu islands.

For more than a year since Tokyo nationalised some of the islands in September 2012, Chinese vessels and aircraft have
regularly approached them, playing cat and mouse with the Japanese coastguard.

Search and rescue teams were looking for the crew of the crashed plane, Xinhua reported,
but did not say how many people were on board. The JH-7 typically carries two.


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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 6 2014, 05:38 PM)
this picture is fact very recent, the Raptor arrived about noon today
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patut la bising betul hari ni dengan bunyi jet.. dah la rumah dekat betul dengan Subang TUDM sweat.gif
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patut la bising betul hari ni dengan bunyi jet.. dah la rumah dekat betul dengan Subang TUDM  sweat.gif
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heck....amik gambar upload sini...kasi cepat... brows.gif brows.gif
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even our sukhoi shoot down f-35 recently. tu la bodoh sangat.
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huh?
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Pindad ready to produce Leopard 2A4 tank ammunition

Friday, June 6th, 2014 19:28 pm | 3,799 Views
Announcers: Sharif Abdullah

Bandung (ANTARA News) - The leap made Pindad, after President Director of PT Pindad, Sudirman Said, stated that the company's ability to create and build the Leopard 2A4 main tank ammunition.

"From the Joint military exercises in 2014, much to our responsibilities, one of which complement the latest ammunition for some perenjataan military, including a 120mm smoothbore cannon fodder for the Leopard tanks," said Said, in London on Friday.Ā 

According to him, a 120mm smoothbore cannon fodder for Leopard, targeted its development can be done from late 2015.Ā "So that we can meet the needs of the tank weaponry," he said.Leopard uses two variants of the main gun, the Rheinmetall 120 mm L44 or L55 smoothbore or without threaded along 5.28 meters and weighs 3.37 tons.

Non-threaded barrel of the cannon is "the answer" in the decade of the '70s over the T-72/80 tank series triumph of the Soviet Union that could be easily slaughtered Western tanks.

Non-threaded barrel of the cannon also has a kinetic energy larger than the threaded so elevating effects posed lethal ammunition.

In addition to conventional ammunition, cannon can accept various types of ammunition, Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot chant DM23, or Armour Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot with M829 containing uranium explosive head.

Still no ammo Projectile Multi Purpose Anti-Tank based High Explosive Anti-Tank technology, made in Germany, berdesignasi NATO as DM12.


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South Korea to give 'Pohang' class corvette to PHL –DND spokesperson

June 6, 2014 6:51 am

MANILA, June 5 — The South Korean government will be donating a corvette to the Philippines before the end of 2014, Department of National Defense spokesperson Dr. Peter Paul Galvez said on Thursday.

He added that the corvette will be one of South Korea's "Pohang" class and there is a big possibility that the ship will be handed to the Philippine Navy with all its weapons and sensor system intact.

The "Pohang" class corvette is a general purpose vessel operated by the Republic of Korean Navy.

They have served in a coastal defense role during the late Cold War and post Cold War period.

A total of 24 "Pohang" class vessels were built, all constructed in South Korea. Twenty-one vessels remain in service.

A "Pohang" class corvette weighs around 1,200 long tons and has a length of 289 feet and 8 inches.

It has a beam of 32 feet and 10 inches and a draft of nine feet and six inches.

The ship is powered by CODOG (combined diesel and gas propulsion system). "Pohang" corvettes have a maximum speed of 32 knots and a cruising speed of 15 knots.

It has a range of 4,000 nautical miles and a crew of 95 officers and enlisted personnel.

Sensors and processing systems include one AN/SQS-58 hull-mounted sonar.

The ships are armed with Harpoon and Exocet anti-ship missiles, a 76mm Oto Melara automatic cannon, a Breda 40mm twin cannons and two Mark 32 triple torpedo tubes (with 6 Mark 46 torpedoes) and 12 Mark 9 depth charges.

Announcement that South Korea will be giving a "Pohang" class corvette to the Philippines came in the wake of reports that the former will be also donating an LCU (landing craft utility) to the Navy. (PNA)

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IOMAX offers Archangel light attack turboprop to the Philippines

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Artist's concept of the IOMAX Archangel ISR and light strike aircraft modified with a bubble canopy, ejection seats, and speed fairings. The aircraft is currently being offered to the Philippines and the United Arab Emirates (pictured). Source: IOMAX

IOMAX has offered its Archangel Block 3 Border Patrol Aircraft (BPA) to the Philippine Air Force (PAF) as a replacement for its ageing Rockwell OV-10 Bronco counterinsurgency fleet, IHS Jane's was told on 2 June.

The US defence company has submitted a bid to the Philippine government, in which it is pitching the Archangel as a replacement for the PAF's nine remaining OV-10s, which were acquired second-hand in the 1990s, IOMAX CEO Ron Howard disclosed during a visit to the company's North Carolina headquarters.

"IOMAX has previously done signals intelligence in Southeast Asia, and so we know the region. The Philippine mission is very well suited to the Archangel," he said.

The Philippine requirement was formally launched in mid-May, when the Department of National Defense (DND) issued tender documents to acquire six close air support aircraft and an accompanying logistics support package for PHP4.968 billion (USD114 million).

In its documents, the DND noted that the selected bidder must have had prior experience of such programmes over the previous decade, and that the selected platform should already be in service with the armed forces of the country of origin or by the military of at least two other countries.

Although the Archangel BPA is regarded by some (the US Department of Defense included) as being an essentially new platform, it is in fact the third iteration (hence the Block 3 designation) of the Block 1 and Block 2 AT-802 that IOMAX developed and supplied to the United Arab Emirates (and which it still supports). Also, with the Block 1 also now in service with Jordan, the Archangel does fit the criteria for selection as laid down by the DND.

While the DND did not publically disclose aircraft specifications, IHS Jane's understands that they have been written up with the Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano in mind, with requirements that it be equipped with retractable undercarriage and ejector seats, among other things.

The Archangel currently features neither of these, but Howard told IHS Jane's that IOMAX has done studies with Martin-Baker on the feasibility of replacing the current crash-resistant seating and roll-cage with twin ejection-seats and bubble canopy, and that this is perfectly doable (the United Arab Emirates is also said to be interested in the canopy for a potential follow-on order of aircraft, but not the ejection-seats). As for retractable undercarriage, Howard said the mission did not require it, and the weight penalties and rough field limitations would outweigh any benefits over the current fixed undercarriage, and so this would not be offered.

As retractable undercarriage is not being offered as an option, Howard said the company's designers were looking at a number of aerodynamic improvements to the Archangel that would help it close the speed gap from its current 180 kt cruise speed to bring it closer to the 220 kt of platforms such as the Super Tucano.

From spinner to tail, these enhancements include the option of an enhanced propeller with a scimitar-style composite blade; a sleeker nose profile; angling the exhaust rearwards to provide about 200 lb of additional thrust; speed fairings on the main undercarriage and wheel struts; remodelled wing roots and tips; blending the rear of the cockpit to the tail section to reduce buffeting and drag; remodelled tail and stabiliser roots and tips; and a more generally cleaned-up fuselage, with as few protruding parts as possible. According to IOMAX's chief scientist, Ray Nielson, who is leading this improvement effort, these modifications should increase the aircraft's cruise speed to about 210 kt.

Even so, Howard was keen to note that speed is not everything, and that rival platforms had sacrificed much in terms of payload and range/endurance in order to go faster. With a typical mission profile of 175 kt outbound to a range of 1,350 n miles, six hours on station, and 175 kt inbound to base, and all with a maximum gross take-off weight of 6,715 kg, the Archangel can cover more of the Philippine's area of operations with a greater weapon load than any of its competitors. At just USD8 million per aircraft (without options), the Archangel is also cheaper than many of its rivals ( IHS Jane's All the World's Aircraft gives the Super Tucano a unit price of USD12-13 million).

With the DND's tender documents now released, all bids must be submitted by 11 June, with the selected platform expected to be with the PAF 18 months after contract signature. Besides the Archangel and Super Tucano, other platforms expected to compete include the Beechcraft AT-6 Texan II, and perhaps even the Pilatus PC-21.


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atreyuangel aku dapat rasa perisikan USA sudah dapat hidu sesuatu dari krisis di Thailand.. aku ingatkan kawan aku main-main je bila dia cakap lepas raja thailand sekarang meninggal dunia, negara thailand mungkin akan berpecah kepada 3 bahagian sebab ada masalah amat besar akan pewaris tahta.. dikatakan pewaris tahta sah raja thailand sekarang, yang institusi diraja thailand sembunyikan semua data peribadi dia kepada orang ramai, dia dikatakan hendak minta taraf warganegara Malaysia dan hanya mahu jadi orang kebanyakan, mahu jadi orang biasa, tak mahu pegang tahta kerajaan thailand sebab fahaman agama dan kepercayaan yang amat berbeza.. pewaris sah tahta kerajaan thailand sekarang dikatakan sedang berada di antara selatan thailand dan utara semenanjung malaysia, tiada siapa tahu identiti sebenar dia.

aku cadangkan Angkatan Tentera Malaysia (ATM) kukuhkan sempadan Malaysia-Thailand macam-macam boleh jadi lepas amerika pergi post berita camni, kawan aku dah cakap benda ni berbulan-bulan sebelum washingtonpost benda ni.. camne macam lebih kurang la pula hmm.gif
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/behind...76ed_story.html

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atreyuangel aku dapat rasa perisikan USA sudah dapat hidu sesuatu dari krisis di Thailand.. aku ingatkan kawan aku main-main je bila dia cakap lepas raja thailand sekarang meninggal dunia, negara thailand mungkin akan berpecah kepada 3 bahagian sebab ada masalah amat besar akan pewaris tahta.. dikatakan pewaris tahta sah raja thailand sekarang, yang institusi diraja thailand sembunyikan semua data peribadi dia kepada orang ramai, dia dikatakan hendak minta taraf warganegara Malaysia dan hanya mahu jadi orang kebanyakan, mahu jadi orang biasa, tak mahu pegang tahta kerajaan thailand sebab fahaman agama dan kepercayaan yang amat berbeza.. pewaris sah tahta kerajaan thailand sekarang dikatakan sedang berada di antara selatan thailand dan utara semenanjung malaysia, tiada siapa tahu identiti sebenar dia.

aku cadangkan Angkatan Tentera Malaysia (ATM) kukuhkan sempadan Malaysia-Thailand macam-macam boleh jadi lepas amerika pergi post berita camni, kawan aku dah cakap benda ni berbulan-bulan sebelum washingtonpost benda ni.. camne macam lebih kurang la pula  hmm.gif
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/behind...76ed_story.html
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Saw the army transporting the pt-91m tank today at north south highway near serembam

Any idea whre they heading? They are heading nortybound. Will post photo once balik
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So, there's a possibility Narathiwat, Yala and Pattani would secede to Malaysia if disintegration occurs?
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with many of my relatives are residing in Yala, most of them wanting their own state and only small minority wanting to join Malaysia..
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on the way to penang island today, see two raptors on the sky

dayum, tengah drive memang la tak boleh nak snap gambar
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ESSCOM update

- 4 sea-base rig confirmed for sabah
- 3 Remote Sensor Site (RSS) to be built
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 9 2014, 02:55 PM)
ESSCOM update

- 4 sea-base rig confirmed for sabah
- 3 Remote Sensor Site (RSS) to be built
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sea-base rig ada heliborne rapid strike units ke?
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sea-base rig ada heliborne rapid strike units ke?
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We dun have that many helis to begin with..  sweat.gif
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should have at least 1-2 heli capable of carrying troops and a few with armaments mcm Little Bird..
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should have at least 1-2 heli capable of carrying troops and a few with armaments mcm Little Bird..
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 9 2014, 02:55 PM)
ESSCOM update

- 4 sea-base rig confirmed for sabah
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I'm not very keen with oil rig idea.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 9 2014, 03:17 PM)
I'm not very keen with oil rig idea.
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 9 2014, 04:30 PM)
time no operation, leh gi memancing  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Sana kan banyak pulau boleh guna jadi base.
Kalau mau boleh bina airfield sekali.
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http://en.take-off.ru/pdf_to/to26.pdf

LIMA 2013 special, got some su30mkm article in there.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 9 2014, 03:08 PM)
Not bad, even latest little bird version AH-6 only cost usd2mil  hmm.gif

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I dun think mh6x melb will be that cheap.
for uav variant yes it will be around 2mil.
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Not bad, even latest little bird version AH-6 only cost usd2mil  hmm.gif

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 9 2014, 05:39 PM)
Sana kan banyak pulau boleh guna jadi base.
Kalau mau boleh bina airfield sekali.
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environmentalist and marine biologist not happy with that idea. tongue.gif
place the rig in a few km from border actually a nice idea.

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environmentalist and marine biologist not happy with that idea.  tongue.gif
place the rig in a few km from border actually a nice idea.

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Indonesian Navy to receive indigenously built LSTs by October

Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - IHS Jane's Navy International
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Two landing ship tanks (LSTs) under construction by state-owned shipbuilder PT Dok Kodja Bahari are on track for delivery to the Indonesian Navy (Tentera Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL) by October 2014, State Enterprises Minister Dahlan Iskan said on 3 June.

The 117 m LSTs were ordered under a 2012 programme to replace the TNI-AL's ageing US and South Korean-built boats for amphibious operations. The vessels are powered by two 3,970 HP engines and can attain a maximum range of 6,240 n miles with a top speed of 16 kt.

Ishan told reporters that the shipbuilder is currently awaiting the arrival of equipment and sensors from South Korea, Germany, and the Netherlands that will be installed on the vessels.


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QUOTE(James Bum @ Jun 9 2014, 05:42 PM)
Sampai sini mungkin jadi USD6 million  biggrin.gif
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already 6 million each for Ah-6i in 2010,
for 2014 maybe price will go up to 8 million+ with block 2+ biggrin.gif

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/a...s/20101029.aspx
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already 6 million each for Ah-6i in 2010,
for 2014 maybe price will go up to 8 million+ with block 2+  biggrin.gif

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/a...s/20101029.aspx
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Russian Nuclear Submarine rescues motorboat

When the crew of a small motorboat in the White Sea was caught in a storm and realized they were in too low on fuel to make it back to port, they radioed Arkhangelsk port for help. When a Mi-8 Helicopter dispatched by port authority arrived in the area to help the motorboat,everyone was shocked to see the boat already had help.

A 15,000 Ton Oscar-class Cruise Missile Nuclear Submarine "Voronezh"!

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Mi-8 from Arkhagelsk port authority approaching the Oscar-class submarine and the rescued motorboat

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The motorboat which has been tied up alongside the Voronezh

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The motorboat which has been tied up alongside the Voronezh

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Madrid (AFP) - A Eurofighter jet crashed on Monday while landing at the Moron air base in southwestern Spain near Seville,
a defence ministry spokeswoman said.

"A Eurofighter has crashed on landing on the runway of the Moron base," she told AFP.
She was not able to confirm media reports that the pilot had died in the crash.

The Moron air base is shared by Spain and the US Air Force, but only Spain operates the Eurofighter jet.


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RIP..
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Crash frenzy lately. What's next?
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Looks like failure on front landing gear
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Hmm, any conspiracy theory to explain all the happening in 2014?
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Hmm, any conspiracy theory to explain all the happening in 2014?
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There's only one reason........too many aircrafts in the world today.

No man-made object is perfect or people don't always have good intention. It means, statistically, accidents or incidents will happen.
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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Jun 10 2014, 11:36 PM)
Indon want to "ganyang" malaysia and become superpower in SEA. I dunno why they hate us so much. Butthurt? i hope /k not become kaskus.
Even when usaf f 22 raptor train with our mkm they called us selling ourself to uncle sam. Inb4 called us english slut.  doh.gif
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indon memang dont like us, some of the hardcore still believe we should be part of them

u should day they sell themselves more to US, they have more US equipments compared to us laugh.gif

the one major asset of US in our inventory is the F18
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 10 2014, 05:39 PM)
Eurofighter jet crashes in southern Spain, pilot killed

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RIP..
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moron airbase... bkn terol article?
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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Jun 10 2014, 11:36 PM)
Indon want to "ganyang" malaysia and become superpower in SEA. I dunno why they hate us so much. Butthurt? i hope /k not become kaskus.
Even when usaf f 22 raptor train with our mkm they called us selling ourself to uncle sam. Inb4 called us english slut.  doh.gif
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we had the opportunity to team up with Indo and becum quite a fearsome alliance..but then, with the fiasco for Ambalat, we already burnt part of the bridge there..


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QUOTE(Gregyong @ Jun 10 2014, 11:53 PM)
fuiyoh... legit news... al fatihah to the pilot
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indon memang dont like us, some of the hardcore still believe we should be part of them

u should day they sell themselves more to US, they have more US equipments compared to us  laugh.gif

the one major asset of US in our inventory is the F18
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During the new order era, Indonesians actually have their aggressive mentality cured. But with Sipadan/Ligitan, Ambalat and recent Tanjung Datu incident, the "ganyang" term is revived.

The term was never mentioned under Suharto, because it was invented in Old Order era.

Indonesia felt that Malaysians betrayed them at their weakest time after the 1998 crisis and didn't act like "brother", when they are still recovering from economic and social turmoils.

Indonesians now have aspiration to become regional superpower, even outgunning Australia; although will never be as strong as China and India.

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 10 2014, 05:39 PM)
Eurofighter jet crashes in southern Spain, pilot killed

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RIP..
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pesawat eurofighter typhoon katanya sudah 3 kali jatuh terhempas di sepanyol sweat.gif

meanwhile pilot rafale perancis... kau tengok sini aku buat macam nak landing macam nak crash atas laut ..
minit 0:55 aksi berani mati, show-off tahap dewa punya laugh.gif


ahuuuuuu... lu orang tengok pilot perancis cuba show-off lagi dengan jet rafale dia laugh.gif laugh.gif


korang tengok... pilot perancis show-off lagi kali ni.. low pass letak manusia betul pula...


french pilot.. MASTER OF FIGHTERS LOW PASS SKILL.. RATATATATATATA !!!

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 11 2014, 08:04 AM)
During the new order era, Indonesians actually have their aggressive mentality cured. But with Sipadan/Ligitan, Ambalat and recent Tanjung Datu incident, the "ganyang" term is revived.

The term was never mentioned under Suharto, because it was invented in Old Order era.

Indonesia felt that Malaysians betrayed them at their weakest time after the 1998 crisis and didn't act like "brother", when they are still recovering from economic and social turmoils.

Indonesians now have aspiration to become regional superpower, even outgunning Australia; although will never be as strong as China and India.
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We got Sipadan/Ligitan fair and square thru International Court, but I do admit that trying to exert our influence into Ambalat was kinda a douche move..Tanjung Datu incident might be just a misunderstanding..

As for the 1998 crisis, u must remember that we were also in financial troubles, so how to help Indo?

And many have not forgotten our soldiers who died defending Kalabakan...
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The #A400M msn11 @AirbusDS to 25 unless the 24 are already in the FAL in Seville are Germany 1, United Kingdom 6, 4 France, Turkey 2 and Malaysia 1


read twitter found Spain Fly news report our A400M already in FAL (Final Assembly Line), our A400M is MSN22.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 11 2014, 09:31 AM)
read twitter found Spain Fly news said our A400M already FAL (Final Assembly Line), our A400M is MSN22.
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Russian T-50 PAK FA fighter prototype catches fire

Nicholas de Larrinaga, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
09 June 2014

A prototype Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA fifth-generation fighter aircraft caught fire on 10 June following landing, according to Sukhoi.

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The fifth flying Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA prototype (side number '055') caught fire on 10 June after landing, heavily damaging the aircraft. (UAC)The fifth flying Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA prototype (side number '055') caught fire on 10 June after landing, heavily damaging the aircraft. (UAC)

"While the plane was landing, smoke above the right air intake was observed, then a local fire broke out," Sukhoi stated. The incident occurred at the Zhukovsky test centre, near Moscow, where the T-50 prototypes have been conducting flight trials.

The aircraft involved in the incident is the fifth flying prototype, aircraft T-50-5 (side number '055'), which was delivered for tests at Zhukovsky in November 2013.

According to Sukhoi, the pilot was uninjured and the company has already set up a commission to investigate the cause of the incident.


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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Jun 11 2014, 10:21 AM)
sipadan /ligitan is not like malaysia stole from indo. malaysia developed those islands and suddently indo claimed theirs. even ICJ accept it those island part of malaysia. we dont used any military action to get those island. it is your media and politician spin the story to make malaysia backstab the relationship. i hope we (malaysia-indonesia) can come out with something good so we can stop this nonsense. i really shocked when im trying google about f22 raptor in malaysia .. 1 the result came from kaskus(indo forum). i been lurking around in kaskus since then and found out that indo really hate malaysia. and the major reason indo hate malaysia is bcoz we have good relationship with british. apa ketahian ni?
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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Jun 11 2014, 10:21 AM)
sipadan /ligitan is not like malaysia stole from indo. malaysia developed those islands and suddently indo claimed theirs. even ICJ accept it those island part of malaysia. we dont used any military action to get those island. it is your media and politician spin the story to make malaysia backstab the relationship. i hope we (malaysia-indonesia) can come out with something good so we can stop this nonsense. i really shocked when im trying google about f22 raptor in malaysia .. 1 the result came from kaskus(indo forum). i been lurking around in kaskus since then and found out that indo really hate malaysia. and the major reason indo hate malaysia is bcoz we have good relationship with british. apa ketahian ni?
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RMAF A400M MSN22 cockpit.

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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Jun 11 2014, 10:21 AM)
sipadan /ligitan is not like malaysia stole from indo. malaysia developed those islands and suddently indo claimed theirs. even ICJ accept it those island part of malaysia. we dont used any military action to get those island. it is your media and politician spin the story to make malaysia backstab the relationship. i hope we (malaysia-indonesia) can come out with something good so we can stop this nonsense. i really shocked when im trying google about f22 raptor in malaysia .. 1 the result came from kaskus(indo forum). i been lurking around in kaskus since then and found out that indo really hate malaysia. and the major reason indo hate malaysia is bcoz we have good relationship with british. apa ketahian ni?
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With Sipadan and Ligitan, Indonesians reluctantly accepted it. There's no protest whatsoever. But the anger flared up with Ambalat and subsequent incidents. Indonesians think why didn't Malaysia do this during the New Order era.

TVRI often used the word "serumpun" in New Order era and Indonesians view on Malaysia was good. Now, that word is seen with cynicism by many Indonesians, as a word without meaning. Malaysia will try to provoke when Indonesia during its weakest times, a country with hidden ill intention towards Indonesia.

Relationship with British isn't really the reason. Indonesia has very close relationship with British too. Even SBY received knighthood, Order of Bath recently.
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With Sipadan and Ligitan, Indonesians reluctantly accepted it. There's no protest whatsoever. But the anger flared up with Ambalat and subsequent incidents. Indonesians think why didn't Malaysia do this during the New Order era.

TVRI often used the word "serumpun" in New Order era and Indonesians view on Malaysia was good. Now, that word is seen with cynicism by many Indonesians, as a word without meaning. Malaysia will try to provoke when Indonesia during its weakest times, a country with hidden ill intention towards Indonesia.

Relationship with British isn't really the reason. Indonesia has very close relationship with British too. Even SBY received knighthood, Order of Bath recently.
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with the Ambalat incident, I have to agree and symphatize with u guys...trying to take over Ambalat was a douche move
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 11 2014, 02:23 PM)
With Sipadan and Ligitan, Indonesians reluctantly accepted it. There's no protest whatsoever. But the anger flared up with Ambalat and subsequent incidents. Indonesians think why didn't Malaysia do this during the New Order era.

TVRI often used the word "serumpun" in New Order era and Indonesians view on Malaysia was good. Now, that word is seen with cynicism by many Indonesians, as a word without meaning. Malaysia will try to provoke when Indonesia during its weakest times, a country with hidden ill intention towards Indonesia.

Relationship with British isn't really the reason. Indonesia has very close relationship with British too. Even SBY received knighthood, Order of Bath recently.
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Somehow I feel the media plays this tune as well, got even anti-msian reports as well

I remember when the malindo 2013 parachute jump with both country, but the weather is bad and all of them got way off target
One channel reports all msian paras off target, but says indo paras is right on target
Then another channel reports both msian and indo paras all off target
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with the Ambalat incident, I have to agree and symphatize with u guys...trying to take over Ambalat was a douche move
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I know, but it was inside Indo's territory, so whats with the douchebagattry on our part?
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Beyond defense modernization

Evan A. Laksmana, New York | Opinion | Wed, June 11 2014, 9:42 AM

As the presidential race heats up, contenders are putting forth their visions, including their defense policy agendas.

In the absence of a specific and solid vision from former general Prabowo Subianto, the propositions of Joko ā€œJokowiā€ Widodo are the best we have — and worth examining further.

According to his 41-page action plan, he has four main defense priorities.

First, continue supporting the professionalism of the Indonesian Military (TNI) by improving soldiers’ welfare and its main weapons systems by increasing the defense budget to 1.5 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) within five years.

Second, seek defense independence by reducing foreign technological imports, strengthening the domestic defense industry and diversifying Indonesia’s defense partnerships.

Third, complete the military’s Minimum Essential Force (MEF) blueprint and build it so that it eventually becomes a respectable maritime force in East Asia.

Finally, place defense policy as an integral part of a comprehensive and resilient national security system that reorders various defense, internal security, public safety and human security functions managed by the National Security Council (DKN).

The DKN has been among the centerpieces of Indonesia’s post-authoritarian security reform — but its creation has thus far been fraught by difficulties in passing the national security bill.

A regional maritime power vision, meanwhile, hinges on the first two priorities — perhaps better encapsulated by ā€œdefense modernizationā€.

Indeed, Indonesia has been in a decade-long drive to obtain state-of-the-art weaponry, including, among others, more than 100 main battle tanks, several attack submarines and corvettes, a few squadrons of multi-role fighters and ground-attack aircraft, as well as dozens of new infantry fighting vehicles.

Indonesia’s next president, however, should look beyond ā€œdefense modernizationā€ and consider instead a well-rounded ā€œdefense transformationā€ agenda.

Firstly, transformation is not only about increasing the defense budget. It is about strategically spending it.

While Indonesia’s defense budget has more than tripled in the past decade, it has never constituted more than 1 percent of GDP; a comparatively small proportion for a nation of 250 million spread over 17,000 islands. Thus, Jokowi’s ā€œ1.5 percent of GDPā€ goal is a step in the right direction.

But around two-thirds of the budget has traditionally been for personnel-related costs rather than for acquisition and research and development (R&D).

According to IHS Jane’s projections, personnel spending between 2010 and 2017 will, on average, be around US$4.79 billion annually, while procurement and R&D spending will average $1.45 billion and $150 million, respectively. This ratio is unsustainable if becoming a regional maritime force is a serious goal.

Secondly, assuming that defense autarchy could be achieved — though many studies have told us otherwise — how we reinvigorate the domestic defense industrial base while integrating it with the broader national economy and the underdeveloped human capital, technological know-how and basic infrastructure, remains a question mark.

This is particularly the case when the 2012 Defense Industry Law’s technological offset, countertrade and joint venture policies relating to foreign arms deals have been criticized for their lofty and vague benchmarks as well as for failing to account for a lack of transparency in procurement procedures. Transparency International’s Government Defense Anti-Corruption Index lists Indonesia as a ā€œvery high riskā€ country.

Thirdly, while diversifying defense partners is intuitively appealing — especially given the disastrous arms embargo of the 1990s — our arms spree over the past two decades has gradually become supplier-driven rather than capabilities-driven.

As a result, the TNI has been operating 173 different medium and advanced weapon platforms imported from 17 different countries by 2006. This entails significant costs in terms of long-term maintenance and personnel training — not to mention the more than occasional operational readiness and interoperability problems.

Fourthly, the absence of coherent, long-term capabilities planning and a tri-service institutional structure and culture means that arms modernization has been reduced to a shopping list for individual services.

The blueprint for the MEF lists each service’s required platforms without considering associated integration, maintenance and training costs — or the need for long-term platform alignment and standardization plans. Further, total procurement spending is to be divided almost evenly between the Army, Navy and Air Force until 2024; despite the three services’ different operational readiness, capability requirements and imbalanced force sizes, as well as Indonesia’s predominantly maritime geostrategic position.

Finally, transformation requires a focus on more elementary challenges: personnel management, military education and training, and organizational structure.

The launch of the Indonesian Defense University in 2009, offering graduate-level education to both civilians and military personnel, is a step in the right direction — as is the recent prioritization of education and training by TNI leaders

However, a review of the TNI’s education curricula suggests that non-military (mostly sociopolitical) courses continue to make up a significant proportion of available classes, though to a lesser extent than under the New Order. Thus, we need to accelerate ongoing efforts to revamp the TNI’s operational doctrines as the lynchpin of educational reform.

Meanwhile, even though overseas education and training opportunities have expanded, messy personnel policies have created promotional logjams as the number of available posts shrunk while the officer corps grew from around 46,000 in 2004 to more than 52,000 in 2009. Consequently, tours of duty and area have become shorter while higher educational qualifications potentially drag career prospects.

More importantly, the TNI’s current Order of Battle still reflects the New Order organizational structure. Too many personnel are allocated to ā€œterritorialā€ postings rather than combat commands and posts. This structure needs to be revamped. A leaner tri-service command oriented more toward the changing external strategic environment and less toward internal security and staffed with better-educated officers, can capitalize on advanced technology to compensate for reductions in territorial personnel.

The bottom line is that defense transformation is not about fulfilling material needs. It is about institutional and paradigmatic shifts on how the military views and structures itself, educates and trains its members, as well as how it equips itself and plans to fight.


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1.5 percent GDP defense budget...that will be at least $20 billion in 2019

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I know, but it was inside Indo's territory, so whats with the douchebagattry on our part?
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Striving Towards Closer M’sia-China Military Ties

"Keeping Your Friends Close, But Your Enemies Closer"

It seems that history has been repeated again these days with Malaysia, after having been able to dodge the frenzy of War On Terror’s ā€œEither With Us or Against Usā€ policy which puts the country under immense pressure to remain to be seen by the super power as a moderate and neutral Muslim majority country.

This was further aggravated through rise of China since the last decade which had sparked the resurgence of tensions between countries (including Malaysia) over disputed maritime territories in the South China Sea. Malaysia has again been sandwiched between the reemergence of China as the rising super power in the Pacific and the United State’s ā€œPivot In the Pacificā€ check and balance policy. As similar as the past decade, Malaysia has been put again under the crucial and tough decision of choosing sides.

Neutrality and moderation have long dictated Malaysia’s foreign policies which have also successfully guarantees the peace and prosperity as well as sovereignty of this country. It’s a matter of ā€œKeeping Your Friends Close, But Your Enemies Closerā€. Instead of straining necks with these two giants, why not try to deepen and strengthen diplomatic ties and channels with the two.

As can be seen through the US-Malaysian bi-lateral relationship, it seems that ever since the Obama taking charge of the office from the previous ā€œCowboy style, Mano-el-Manoā€ Bush Administration, the relationship between the twoĀ has improved significantly.

Yet, in order for not to be seen as a country eager to be too close with the US, Malaysia has strive to also maintained close relationship with China. The relationship between the two has been at its highest level ever since the late Prime Minister Tun Razak made his inaugural visit to China in the 1970′s, yet there’s still a lot to be done before this relationship could mature to a level similar to those enjoyed by this countryĀ with the United States.

Despite strong economic ties, military relationship between China and Malaysia is still limited. Aside from military visits by the two countries top officials as well as very limited procurement of weapon system (the FN-6 MANPADS), the two countries has not had ever conducted joint, bi-lateral military exercises like what Malaysia has done with other regional and international partners.

Furthermore, Malaysia’s defence equipment procurement has long being sourced from countries such as the United States, Europe (both Western and Eastern), South Korea as well as ASEAN region. But never from China though the FN-6 could be considered as an exception.

The recent signing of MoU in China pertaining the LY-80 medium range SAM system could be seen as the new beginning of a more serious defence equipment procurement Ā between the two country. But this could only be materialised only if the Government decided to proceed with the procurement of the LY-80 SAMs.

China has put into card a hard to resist offer in the means of technological transfer to Malaysia. Having able to license assemble or license produce SAM systems (of whatever categories) could contribute to strategic self-reliance in the country’s defence. Nevertheless, combat reliability and operational experience still cast the doubt on Chinese-made weapon’s capabilities. A typical stigma of Chinese-made product of all types and categories.

Over the past years, China shipbuilder has long offered the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) its Type 071 LPD to fill in the Multi Role Ship (MRS) requirement. Afterall, the Type 071 LPD is not a stranger in this part of the world, having had involved in territorial disputes with Malaysia in the James Shoal as well as working side-by-side together during the SAROPS for the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH 370.

Recently, Prime Minister Najib, during his visit to China has also echoes the same about having closer military ties. Nevertheless, should both countriesĀ strive towards the same goal, perhaps the FN-6, LY-80 and Type 071 LPD could be the best medium to promote such close relationships. It’s hard to think of having Chinese made jets, tanks or combat vessels in the Malaysian service but procuring SAMs and sealift ships might be seen as the logical way, at least to appease each other diplomatically.

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Local production of FN-6 could benefit not only the industry (SMEO) but also non GAPU air defence units such as the RMN PPU and the RMAF Regiment

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It’s about time GAPU being empower with SAM systems such as the LY-80

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There’s no harm to procure Type 071 LPD. Perhaps it would be better than having second-hand, vintage Austin-class LPD

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U.S. Marines + Malaysian Army Paratroopers + USS Ashland with U.S. Navy Sailors at sea + LCACs and AAVs bound for the beach = CARAT Malaysia Amphibious Exercise 2014

Sauce: https://www.facebook.com/Exercise.CARAT/pho...?type=1&theater
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Thank you for ur side of story. Just let u know.. personaly i think malaysian doesnt have any issues with indo. If wut u have told is true then .. it is not malaysian fault. i mean the people. maybe MY gov abit douche. but your media shoud stop portray malaysian ppl does not respect u guys as a neighbor. peace  icon_rolleyes.gif
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btw in kaskus.. if u want to read about military news, please go to military forum, if u go to lounge forum, lots of them are just kiddies and newbie.. on military forum, see who speak in there, there are people from the army, sales, arms industry, enthusiast and of course troll..
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U.S. Marines + Malaysian Army Paratroopers + USS Ashland with U.S. Navy Sailors at sea + LCACs and AAVs bound for the beach = CARAT Malaysia Amphibious Exercise 2014

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A rather interesting piece of model in RMAF Deputy Chief of Staff office

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LY-80 sam model brows.gif brows.gif
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A rather interesting piece of model in RMAF Deputy Chief of Staff office

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LY-80 sam model  brows.gif  brows.gif
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i see a ground master400 is that correct under it?
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 11 2014, 09:02 PM)
A rather interesting piece of model in RMAF Deputy Chief of Staff office

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LY-80 sam model  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Nice, at least this means the local MOU company ady had meeting with RMAF for prospect of this particular sam

Wait, GAPU under who again? army? or air force?
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Jun 11 2014, 10:09 PM)
Nice, at least this means the local MOU company ady had meeting with RMAF for prospect of this particular sam

Wait, GAPU under who again? army? or air force?
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well, according to wiki, GAPU under TUDM..
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well, according to wiki, GAPU under TUDM..
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well, according to wiki, GAPU under TUDM..
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if i remembered it correctly, they're under Army..
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Yes, under army
This makes interesting question, does air force intends to take over the medium range system (MEADS)?

So..
Air force - Medium Extended Air Defense System (MEADS)
Army - Very Short Range Air Defense Systems (VSHORAD)
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Hei hei what's going on here?

ISIS fighters capture Mosul Kirkuk and Tikrit, Iraqi military and police change into civilian wear,bolts south to Baghdad and abandons entire northern Iraq sector,leaving airports and military installations in ISIS hands. ISIS reports A LOT of vehicles and weapons are captured. Baghdad is getting desperate,Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki announcing state of emergency and offer to give arms and support to any militia force willing to help Iraqi army retake the cities.

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Projected map showing areas controlled by ISIS in Syria and Iraq

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ISIS militant pose with captured Iraqi Army Humvees and other military vehicles

Any chance of a ISIS push on Baghdad?



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Hmm a lot of Military exercises going on these few weeks. We had Cope Taufan, CARAT and now Haringgaroo.

Must be potent fuel for those paranoid "Kehadiran tentera asing tanda kemasukan agenda yahudi amerika, Allah peliharalah Malaysia dari kejahatan mereka" crowd.
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well, according to wiki, GAPU under TUDM..
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GBAD under TUDM
GAPU Army

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 12 2014, 08:50 AM)
Hmm a lot of Military exercises going on these few weeks. We had Cope Taufan, CARAT and now Haringgaroo.

Must be potent fuel for those paranoid "Kehadiran tentera asing tanda kemasukan agenda yahudi amerika, Allah peliharalah Malaysia dari kejahatan mereka" crowd.
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Yes, under army
This makes interesting question, does air force intends to take over the medium range system (MEADS)?

So..
Air force - Medium Extended Air Defense System (MEADS)
Army - Very Short Range Air Defense Systems (VSHORAD)
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i think it just a give or a little souvenir given by the Chinese while evaluating the system

i hear while during evaluation phase, both the army and air force will together evaluate and determine which is more suitable operator

in my honest opinion, army (GAPU) should get it due to their familiarization with mobile weapon based vehicles. Save time and money. And most importantly, they are already trained in air defense laugh.gif
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It's just a matter of time that a China oil rig will be near Malaysia.



China plans artificial island in disputed Spratlys chain in South China Sea
The move indicates a shift from defence to offence in the East and South China seas

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/152...south-china-sea
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Raptor with Che' Su
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Raptor with Taufan ganas
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Ex Cope Taufan 2014: Flankers, Fulcrums and The Raptors

First and foremost, I would like to thank En Fitri Shukri for his tweet pertaining Ex Cope Taufan 2014 air exercise between the United States Air Force (USAF) and the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) over the Straits of Melaka (as I was told by another source) which is still on-going until June 20.

The two pictures that he had attached (credited to Victor from MalaysianWings) are perhaps the two stunning pictures of the exercise involving the American F-22 Raptors and the Malaysian Mig-29N Fulcrum and Su-30MKM Flanker.

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As has been highlighted so many times through interviews of USAF squadron commanders participating in this year exercise, the opportunity to fly with/against the Fulcrum and the Flanker is something which is not to be missed. The same goes to the other side (the Malaysians of course).

Having able to fly close with stealth fighters is an opportunity which should not being let to fly away considering the fact that modern air combats nowadays had always ended long before the two beleaguering aircraft could merge for dogfight, no thanks to the Beyond Visual Range Air To Air Missile (BVRAAM).

One should not forget that situation in Asia Pacific is still volatile especially in the East China Sea as well as in the Korean Peninsular. The Korean People’s Army Air Force (KPAAF) operates approximately 40 Mig-29B/UB fighters to defend Pyongyang from the external aggressors. Despite the Fulcrum being the most modern in KPAAF arsenal, which also consist of Mig-21 Fishbed, Mig-23 Flogger as well as Chinese made F-7 Airguard, the F-6 and F-5, by all means, the Malaysian Migs are far more capable and modern than the North Korean examples.

On April 2013, USAF had sent its F-22 Raptors to join a military exercise conducted in South Korea. Training with/against the Malaysian Migs may perhapsĀ be the closest feeling that the American pilots could get on the North Korean Migs.

The same goes to having able to fly with/against the Malaysian Fulcrum. The United States has always consider a near peer conflict in Asia Pacific as future threats to its hegemony in the region. China’s PLAAF, for example operates a wide array of Flanker variants consist of 76 Su-27SK/UBK, 165 J-11A/B/BS, 73 Su-30MKK and 24 J-16. While the Chinese MKK/MK2 and Malaysian MKM belongs to the same MK family, the Su-30MKM employ Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC) and canards compared to the Chinese example which does not have any.

Operating out of Kadena AFB in Okinawa, Japan which is relatively just next door to mainland China, the USAF Raptor drivers deployed there on rotational basis, need to get the feel of fighting such adversary and Ex Cope Taufan 2014 is the best platform to hone such skills.

Nevertheless, it would be something surprising if the outcome of DACT and BFM exercise conducted during Ex Cope Taufan would be revealed to the public.

MFH


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Eksesais Haringgaroo tingkat kerjasama tentera Malaysia, Australia

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SEREMBAN 11 Jun - Seramai 791 anggota termasuk pegawai Tentera Darat Malaysia dan Australia mengadakan latihan bersama selama seminggu bermula hari ini dalam usaha meningkatkan keserasian doktrin ketenteraan menerusi Eksesais Haringgaroo di Kem 15 Rejimen Askar Melayu Diraja (RAMD) Senawang.

Panglima 3 Divisyen, Mejar Je-neral Datuk Sheikh Mokhsin Sheikh Hassan berkata, eksesais yang masuk edisi ke-65 itu selari dengan hasrat Angkatan Tentera Malaysia (ATM) ke arah meningkatkan profesionalisme dalam ilmu ketenteraan dari semasa ke semasa.

"Latihan ini sudah menjadi tanggungjawab kita untuk mempersiapkan diri dengan ilmu pepe-rangan sekali gus berupaya meningkatkan kemahiran diri, pengetahuan taktikal dan ketahanan fizikal termasuk aspek penggunaan peralatan serta sistem persenjataan moden dan canggih.

"Namun apa yang penting, latihan bersama ini merupakan platform terbaik untuk memahami serta mendalami doktrin peperangan yang kian mencabar dan rumit," katanya selepas merasmikan Majlis Pembukaan Eksesais Haringgaroo di Kem 15 RAMD Senawang di sini.

Yang turut hadir, Panglima 1 Briged, Brigedier Jeneral Datuk Adnan Abu Bakar dan Pegawai Meme-rintah Kumpulan Tentera Australia, Leftenan Kolonel, Thomas Tilbrook.


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So many simultaneous exercise with foreign country now flex.gif flex.gif
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well, according to wiki, GAPU under TUDM..
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Here's another one for the fans. An F-22 Raptor super up close (and at super high resolution), on the runway at the Royal Malaysian Air Force P.U. Butterworth. The F-22 Raptors are in Malaysia for Cope Taufan 14

Sauce: https://www.facebook.com/usembassykl/photos...?type=1&theater
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Indonesian Air Force to deploy fighter planes to disputed area

Deputy chief of staff of the TNI-AU, Air Vice Marshall Sudipo Handoyo has said on 9/6/2014 that work has begun to upgrade an old Dutch airfield at Paloh,west Kalimantan and to permanently establish an Indonesian presence there.

Land around the airfield will also be expanded into an military outpost and expects around 500 personnel from the Army and Navy will be stationed there to respond to any "Malaysian provocations". Recently there has been confrontations between the Indonesian and Malaysian navies at the waters off Tanjung Datu,at the border of the Malaysian state of Sarawak and the Indonesian province of Kalimantan.

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TNI-AU Deputy chief-of-staff Air Vice Marshal Sudipo Handoyo

News Link: TNI-AU to deploy fighter planes to disputed area

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Indonesian Air Force to deploy fighter planes to disputed area

Deputy chief of staff of the TNI-AU, Air Vice Marshall Sudipo Handoyo has said on 9/6/2014 that work has begun to upgrade an old Dutch airfield at Paloh,west Kalimantan and to permanently establish an Indonesian presence there.

Land around the airfield will also be expanded into an military outpost and expects around 500 personnel from the Army and Navy will be stationed there to respond to any "Malaysian provocations". Recently there has been confrontations between the Indonesian and Malaysian navies at the waters off Tanjung Datu,at the border of the Malaysian state of Sarawak and the Indonesian province of Kalimantan.

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TNI-AU Deputy chief-of-staff Air Vice Marshal Sudipo Handoyo

News Link: TNI-AU to deploy fighter planes to disputed area
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 12 2014, 08:24 PM)
Recently there has been confrontations between the Indonesian and Malaysian navies at the waters off Tanjung Datu,at the border of the Malaysian state of Sarawak and the Indonesian province of Kalimantan.
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I tot msia only send one small boat patrol there while indon mobilized quite a number of asset to tanjung datu.

either indon over-reaction or msia under play the incident? hmm.gif
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Here's another one for the fans. An F-22 Raptor super up close (and at super high resolution), on the runway at the Royal Malaysian Air Force P.U. Butterworth. The F-22 Raptors are in Malaysia for Cope Taufan 14

Sauce: https://www.facebook.com/usembassykl/photos...?type=1&theater
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What a beautiful picture that is. Im quite disappointed by the lack of photos coming out from cope taufan so far. Takkan la the raptors are stealth to dslr cameras also? tongue.gif

What a sight having the f22 and two legendary russian fighters airborne together
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I tot msia only send one small boat patrol there while indon mobilized quite a number of asset to tanjung datu.

either indon over-reaction or msia under play the incident?  hmm.gif
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show of power.. of course if malaysia send their warship, it will be another round of problem

i would the small boat is like poking a finger to test the reaction.. Now we know, then we will take bigger action laugh.gif
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Bunga Mas 5 Can Serve As Platform For Sea Basing - RMN Chief

KUALA LUMPUR, June 10 (Bernama) -- The Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) auxiliary ship, Bunga Mas 5 (BM 5) can be used as a sea basing platform in the Eastern Sabah Security Zone (ESSZone).

RMN chief Admiral Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar said this was due to the capability of BM 5 which he described as mobile, effective and easy to handle.

"BM 5 can be tasked as a platform for stationing RMN assets for interceptive action.

"There is a helicopter on BM 5 which can act as a force multiplier, provide greater distant control, wider surveillance and faster interception," he told reporters after receiving a courtesy call from US Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral Harry B. Harris JR here today.

Nevertheless, he agreed with the decision of the government to station disused oil rigs as observation platforms in the long term.

Abdul Aziz said the oil rigs would have intercepting boats and personnel for surveillance and boat handling duties.

Prior to this, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein had said sea basing was the stationing of military assets in the middle of the sea, capable of providing quick responses when tackling intrusions in the waters off Sabah.

Petronas had also previously given its commitment to provide oil rigs with the implementation of the system.

Meanwhile, Abdul Aziz said Harris' visit to Malaysia was to strengthen bilateral ties between the United States Navy and RMN.

-- BERNAMA


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I tot msia only send one small boat patrol there while indon mobilized quite a number of asset to tanjung datu.

either indon over-reaction or msia under play the incident?  hmm.gif
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1 APMM boat,
as this is still APMM jurisdiction
but we are going to see heavy navy and police activity near the border for the hunt of the missing oil vessel!
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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Jun 12 2014, 11:23 PM)
I tot msia only send one small boat patrol there while indon mobilized quite a number of asset to tanjung datu.

either indon over-reaction or msia under play the incident?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 13 2014, 09:33 AM)
show of power.. of course if malaysia send their warship, it will be another round of problem

i would the small boat is like poking a finger to test the reaction.. Now we know, then we will take bigger action  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 13 2014, 09:57 AM)
1 APMM boat,
as this is still APMM jurisdiction
but we are going to see heavy navy and police activity near the border for the hunt of the missing oil vessel!
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U have to understand this, Indon tanah sikit, kita tanah banyak..so for sure la negara tanah sikit yg akan menggelupur lebih.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 13 2014, 10:06 AM)
U have to understand this, Indon tanah sikit, kita tanah banyak..so for sure la negara tanah sikit yg akan menggelupur lebih.. tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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apa u cakap?

indon tanah banyak.. kita yang tanah sikit compared to them sweat.gif


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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 13 2014, 10:11 AM)
apa u cakap?

indon tanah banyak.. kita yang tanah sikit compared to them  sweat.gif
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he was sarcastically speaking..
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 13 2014, 10:11 AM)
apa u cakap?

indon tanah banyak.. kita yang tanah sikit compared to them  sweat.gif
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..then suppose kita la hantar kapal besar tapi kenapa ini kes indon plak hantar kapal besar?huhuh..
Ayo..you punya sarcasm radar off ka pagi ni...hehe
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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Jun 13 2014, 10:21 AM)
..then suppose kita la hantar kapal besar tapi kenapa ini kes indon plak hantar kapal besar?huhuh..
Ayo..you punya sarcasm radar off ka pagi ni...hehe
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pagi lagi lah bai.... motor belum warm up laugh.gif
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 13 2014, 10:11 AM)
apa u cakap?

indon tanah banyak.. kita yang tanah sikit compared to them  sweat.gif
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sarcasm detector off ke bang? tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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Indonesia deploys naval vessels to Tanjung Datu

In order to respond to what it has called 'Malaysian provocations', Indonesia has deployed three naval vessels to the waters around Tanjung Datu. The three ships are KRI Barakuda, KRI Lemadang and KRI Sutedi Senoputra.

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Kakap-class Offshore patrol vessel KRI Barakuda(No 633)

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Todak-class guided missile vessel KRI Layang (No 805),the KRI Lemadang would be similar (No 806)

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Kapitan Panimura-class corvette KRI Sutedi Senoputra(No 878)
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Australia new HMAS Canberra Sea trial sudah rosak .... shocking.gif

Brand new $1.5 billion pride of Australia's fleet crippled after electrical meltdown during sea trials
- The HMAS Canberra was damaged during a 'shakedown cruise'
- Electrical systems melted down and the hull was damaged in the May trials
- The problems resulted from user error on the part of the civilian crew


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-26...ilian-crew.html

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 13 2014, 01:23 PM)
Australia new HMAS Canberra Sea trial sudah rosak ....  shocking.gif

Brand new $1.5 billion pride of Australia's fleet crippled after electrical meltdown during sea trials
- The HMAS Canberra was damaged during a 'shakedown cruise'
- Electrical systems melted down and the hull was damaged in the May trials
- The problems resulted from user error on the part of the civilian crew
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-26...ilian-crew.html

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mak aih, brapa kuat shakedown depa test tu
tp mmg itulah tujuan sea trial

agak2 ada tak monyet dalam parlimen depa buat statement bodoh diikuti oleh monyet-monyet berDNA cadbury yang akan mengiyakan serta mengulang kata mereka sampai depa mampos!
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 12 2014, 08:24 PM)
Indonesian Air Force to deploy fighter planes to disputed area

Deputy chief of staff of the TNI-AU, Air Vice Marshall Sudipo Handoyo has said on 9/6/2014 that work has begun to upgrade an old Dutch airfield at Paloh,west Kalimantan and to permanently establish an Indonesian presence there.

Land around the airfield will also be expanded into an military outpost and expects around 500 personnel from the Army and Navy will be stationed there to respond to any "Malaysian provocations". Recently there has been confrontations between the Indonesian and Malaysian navies at the waters off Tanjung Datu,at the border of the Malaysian state of Sarawak and the Indonesian province of Kalimantan.

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News Link: TNI-AU to deploy fighter planes to disputed area
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As I always say.....it all started with Sipadan/Ligitan, which is followed by numerous incidents. Indonesians feel offended or perhaps "betrayed" by Malaysians who take advantage of Indonesia during its weaker times.

Tanjung Datu incident shouldn't happen if Malaysia communicated with Indonesia before constructing the beacon tower.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 13 2014, 01:23 PM)
Australia new HMAS Canberra Sea trial sudah rosak ....  shocking.gif

Brand new $1.5 billion pride of Australia's fleet crippled after electrical meltdown during sea trials
- The HMAS Canberra was damaged during a 'shakedown cruise'
- Electrical systems melted down and the hull was damaged in the May trials
- The problems resulted from user error on the part of the civilian crew
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-26...ilian-crew.html

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Bae Australia and navantia going to make some losses on these issue.
I think tldm should avoid navantia for awhile.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 13 2014, 02:18 PM)
mak aih, brapa kuat shakedown depa test tu
tp mmg itulah tujuan sea trial

agak2 ada tak monyet dalam parlimen depa buat statement bodoh diikuti oleh monyet-monyet berDNA cadbury yang akan mengiyakan serta mengulang kata mereka sampai depa mampos!
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'Shakedown' cruise tu bukan goncang2.....tp pre-workup sailing..... training b4 been tested & evaluated.
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 13 2014, 02:19 PM)
As I always say.....it all started with Sipadan/Ligitan, which is followed by numerous incidents. Indonesians feel offended or perhaps "betrayed" by Malaysians who take advantage of Indonesia during its weaker times.

Tanjung Datu incident shouldn't happen if Malaysia communicated with Indonesia before constructing the beacon tower.
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Biaq pi kt depa...jgn layan. Byk kali kita confront depa x brani buat pe jugak..... sbb takut international convention.
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Indon menggelupur tak tentu pasal... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 13 2014, 02:30 PM)
Indon menggelupur tak tentu pasal... laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Haha, must show of forces mah.
Btw I think these must have something to do with presidential election.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 13 2014, 02:38 PM)
Haha, must show of forces mah.
Btw I think these must have something to do with presidential election.
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maybe, but if we send 2 fully armed Cik Horny, diorang kicut tulur balik tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jun 13 2014, 02:18 PM)
mak aih, brapa kuat shakedown depa test tu
tp mmg itulah tujuan sea trial

agak2 ada tak monyet dalam parlimen depa buat statement bodoh diikuti oleh monyet-monyet berDNA cadbury yang akan mengiyakan serta mengulang kata mereka sampai depa mampos!
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Macam familiar.

They also suggesting operating f35b from it

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