Gowind is bigger and the tonnage capacity is almost double of that meko design

Though I got no problem if the gomen just pursue the meko design for batch 2 of kedah class instead of new gowind design,
Patent issue? I dunno

Again...AV8 project is way too expensive. With $2.4 billion, that's equal to $10 million per vehicle, more expensive than the most expensive MBTs in the market, K2 and Leclerc.

Is it really necessary to spend that much on the R&D of an APC platform?
APCs are disposable assets in the battlefield. Like relatively high destruction rate of M113 in Vietnam and BTRs in Afghanistan. APCs are supposed to be cheap and no one would expect them to last long in more intense engagements.
As comparison, Indonesia modifies the basic VAB design.

It becomes Anoa, the gun turret is move behind the driver to provide more room and make RCWS installation easier. Also an extra pair of wheels are added. Including weapons, Anoa only costs $800,000 and multiple variants have been developed.

Yes....the interior is simple; just like a truck with navigation, communication and perhaps BMS in some units. But at least it is cheap, won't miss it if a couple of them destroyed in battles.

yup, bcoz we already their beetch

Yes...Anoa is more like a cold-war APC platform, comparable to M113 and BTR-60. While AV8, is from a new generation of APC, placed in the same category with Stryker and Terrex.

But these new vehicles still carry the same APC genetics; simply different species from the "APC genus". Expensive APCs are ideal only for countries with huge military budget.

The job remains the same, transport troops safely and protect them from small arms fire and mortar shrapnel; also providing basic fire support. These functions can be achieved by older platforms that cost less than $1 million. Larger proportion of APCs are usually destroyed in conflicts, they should be "disposable" and cheap.

Indonesia will convert an infantry brigade (3 battalions) into mechanized units in East Java alone with Anoa. This can be achieved relatively quickly, because Anoa is cheap and simple. But still provides basic capabilities for mechanized units.


http://www.antarajatim.com/lihat/berita/13...ekanik-di-jatim

The question is does Boustead really need an upgrade?

Remember PT.PAL also is in a Tot Scheme with Damen for building the Sigma PKR 10514 with a 2 ships programme. PT.PAL didn't need any upgrades to it's shipyard. The only thing that PT.PAL need is to build the submarine facility & machines for the korean sub.

err no!
+ the Germany kantoi to feed money to one group to sabo the french 

Perhaps, it is the matter where we should prioritize quality...on APC, artillery or tank?

One AV8 is equal in cost to two units of Leopard 2RI. The tank is one of the ground
Again, I know we shouldn't compare MBT with APC. But, the money should be spent accordingly to get the biggest bang for the buck.
103 Leopard 2 and 50 marder IFV for less than $300 million. Also, to mechanize one infantry battalion, TNI only needs to spend $45 million with simpler APCs.

Instead of buying AV8, perhaps Malaysia could settle with building simpler APCs and use the spare cash to buy other quality stuff instead, like more artillery, ATGM and tank

Production cost is not the same as the whole development cost, pindad also had to make some domestics loans to startup the manufacturing of the anoas, and that would be considered development cost

The deal with AV8 is to build the local industry complete with infras and tech transfered from FNSS

The same as Pindad building the anoa's, they also needs funds to develop the infras and research facility rite?
Not like they know how to build APC from the scratch, as you said the anoa is from french VAB design

AV8 is supposed to be backbone for the 'future' malaysian army.the condor is old as shit but still workable

why would the MA buy something that would be obsolete once its on the ground?the AV-8 is going to be the main vehicle for the next 30-40 years

the Anoa was developed out of desperation.they needed an APC that could be made quick and cheap,doesnt care if its shit

can something like the anoa provide a cheap solution to the condor?yes for the immediate future.is it any better than the condor?no

TNI wants to establish more motorized units,thus it can be understandable for them to use the Anoa.the MA is trying to move forward to a new phase of fighting capability,the cheap Anoa is not what they need

btw,as a vehicle commander the notion that IFVs are disposable is     

We should have 2 versions: AV8 & AV6

And this one....iveco LMV which I like it better compare to humvee/vamtac....

Can be given to all infantry units...plus navy & airforce for base defence.

The question is.... "Is expensive, next generation APC really necessary?"

Anoa could already protect troops from small arms fire/shrapnel, provide basic fire support and feature BMS for command versions for $800,000. Those are basic requirements of APCs.

Would AV8 really make difference in battlefield, compared if Malaysian Army uses APCs based on simpler designs? Especially when facing infantry units equipped with light ATGM like NLAW?

if the AV8 provides better protection,better fire support and better C&C then yes

the presence of ATGMs doesnt mean APCs need to be fodder.tanks are just as susceptible to anti armour fire

why provide soldiers with body armour,helmets and NODs while snipers could take them out?

They should propose Meko200 or Meko D (3000 tons class) insist Meko CLS which too expensive.

whats wrong with AV8..? i like them..expensive at first coz we still trying & learning to build them on our own...once every infra are ready, cost may be cheaper..

eventhough some stuff are cheaper if we buy it outside, we can't always buy from foreign countries, what if we at war with the country or its allies..surely they wouldn't sell us the spare parts/equipment necessary for their product to us coz of that..it's time for M'sia to advance her own arms industries...using our own locally-made weapons,tanks,ships,aircraft in the future..

i do wonder why Meko design is not used for NGPV since we already have the blueprint instead of Gowind, cost should be cheaper if proceed with Meko no? 

anyway, when will we create our own plane? lel..since Army have go on with locally-made AV8, while Navy proceed with Meko and Gowind..

No need to worry relationship with milf..... its abu sayaf & other pilak groups that we need to deal with. MILF not even from that islands....

I hope it wasn't MILF considering their benefactors

How much better protection, fire support and C&C AV8 will have? Do they worth the high cost?

he is as knowledgeable Tony P with his SGPV!

Thermals and CCD cameras at front and rear
NBC protection
BMS system link
Protection STANAG-4569 Level 4, with add-on applique armour
Semi-auto pneumatic computer suspension