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post May 29 2014, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ May 28 2014, 03:26 PM)
bro.. they always go to war... sure get sent for campaign 1... ingat msia ke.. tidor suka suka tembak kawan... a lot of them return home handicap
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Triple pay during deployment and not taxable yo.

Ala duduk rumah pun boleh mati. At least you die awesome
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post May 31 2014, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 11:05 AM)
well depend on doctrine for apc.
Some treat it as low cost disposable battle taxi but it only apply on those whose have large quantities of infantry.
some prefer high qualities of apc and ifv to provide valuable fire support, intel, scouts, anti tank, anti air and protection for its infantry.
lots of country going toward quality values
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AV8 is supposed to be backbone for the 'future' malaysian army.the condor is old as shit but still workable

why would the MA buy something that would be obsolete once its on the ground?the AV-8 is going to be the main vehicle for the next 30-40 years

the Anoa was developed out of desperation.they needed an APC that could be made quick and cheap,doesnt care if its shit

can something like the anoa provide a cheap solution to the condor?yes for the immediate future.is it any better than the condor?no

TNI wants to establish more motorized units,thus it can be understandable for them to use the Anoa.the MA is trying to move forward to a new phase of fighting capability,the cheap Anoa is not what they need

btw,as a vehicle commander the notion that IFVs are disposable is doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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post May 31 2014, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ May 31 2014, 12:30 PM)
We should have 2 versions: AV8 & AV6

And this one....iveco LMV which I like it better compare to humvee/vamtac....

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Can be given to all infantry units...plus navy & airforce for base defence.
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why would the MA need both a 8x8 and 6x6 version?

dont compare the iveco LMV with humvee la weh laugh.gif

the otokar cobra is more likely for malaysia

it can replace the defender and G-class in combat roles .all infantry regiments can be transformed into fully mechanized regiments

proton accord can replace defender in office role

sakit ati aku tengok LR defender dengan pintle mount dia pegi guna buat hantar surat pejabat

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post May 31 2014, 12:54 PM

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well it is the way to move forward.the LMV is a force multiplier for the infantry

once,we got intel that the enemy was in a town but we couldn't go in because we didn't have any armoured vehicles,took 5 hours for the armour to arrive,by that time the enemy was already entrenched.took 3 days to take it back
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post May 31 2014, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ May 31 2014, 12:52 PM)
The question is.... "Is expensive, next generation APC really necessary?"

Anoa could already protect troops from small arms fire/shrapnel, provide basic fire support and feature BMS for command versions for $800,000. Those are basic requirements of APCs.

Would AV8 really make difference in battlefield, compared if Malaysian Army uses APCs based on simpler designs? Especially when facing infantry units equipped with light ATGM like NLAW?

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if the AV8 provides better protection,better fire support and better C&C then yes

the presence of ATGMs doesnt mean APCs need to be fodder.tanks are just as susceptible to anti armour fire

why provide soldiers with body armour,helmets and NODs while snipers could take them out?

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post May 31 2014, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 02:13 PM)
Pilak have lots of terrorist clan.
Anyway I dun think it would be milf given that we successful broker a peace deal btw milf and pilak government.
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I hope it wasn't MILF considering their benefactors
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post May 31 2014, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 31 2014, 04:08 PM)
Thanks.
though it were a wishfull thinking I was hoping the government would opt for AMAP modules.

anyway I can't find any info on how much the thales deals on the av8.
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applique armour is a broad statement,manatau dia letak AMAP

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 31 2014, 06:16 PM)
niceeeeeeee~~~  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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puih dia cakap macam salesman

modular is the new marketing buzz word.it used to be 'next-gen' or 'run-flats'

fixing it won't be that much cheaper but will take less amount of time.what used to take mechanics 2 weeks to do in a depot can now be done in the field in a few hours

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post Jun 2 2014, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 1 2014, 10:30 PM)
indonesia definitely are ready to invade another country if they have to  sweat.gif
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no SEA nation is ready to invade anyone.none have the logistics to maintain a front for more than a couple of days except singapore
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post Jun 2 2014, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 05:28 PM)
bro.. ruskies tengah developing s500 system dah

but s400 is said to be an improved s300 system, just s400 sound better for export market rolleyes.gif

kesian.. murica still stuck with their medium range patriots  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

goes to say, in term of air defense system, rukies offer the best while offense murica offer the best
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different thinkings,the US and NATO depend on aerial superiority and superior detection for air defence.russia/USSR know that their backs will be against the wall in most cases so they usually have the best anti air and anti ship capabilities

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post Jun 3 2014, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Jun 2 2014, 07:36 PM)

Russia anti air defense is something to fear about. Murica still with their pathetic patriot, even some of the murica citizen start criticizing why cant they develop a longer range sam instead of keep updating the patriot system?

It not like they dont have the capabilities to do so
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the patriot is nothing to laugh about

office politics la.AD is primarily the job of the USAF whose command are composed of former air jockeys

if you're a former pilot would you spend your money on developingstupid AD systems or moar badass raptors and lightnings?

the fighters and helos can provide cover so don't need any more AD systems

the patriot and stinger systems are good enough to provide a shield alongside the USAF
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post Jun 19 2014, 01:13 AM

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Both. The M1A1M without DU is still a capable tank

The tank crews are inexperienced and under trained for combined arms warfare

Maybe the tank was already abandoned?
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post Jun 20 2014, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jun 19 2014, 05:20 PM)
pasal dia reservists je kot  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

reservist pun, still budak payung udara, atau short form dia, payudara  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Buat perhiasan je wings dia . Buat jump qualifying je
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post Jun 27 2014, 03:51 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 26 2014, 12:27 AM)
Koperal from what? ours or koperal from 'sulu royal army'?
with SPH/truck-mounted arty rapidly developing in these recent years, would there be no more towed artillery like M777 and FH-70 in the future?
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Nope.

Towed howitzers are simpler and easier to transport . but their roles will be supplemented by mobile howitzers and heavy mortars
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post Jun 29 2014, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jun 28 2014, 11:59 PM)
bushmaster 9mm
police dun have other SMG ka..bored liao with MP5..use P90 pulak la..  biggrin.gif
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9mm polis ada banyak. 5.7mm mahai

PDRM rarely engage body armour equipped criminals so 9mm is good enough and with its attitude of emptying an entire magazine on anything that moves memang mahal la

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post Jul 2 2014, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Jul 2 2014, 05:33 PM)
I don't understand why our military is so paranoid. Even the US with the technology years ahead of what we have allow people to take picture inside their planes and vehicles.
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Their property Sukati depa la nak buat peraturan apa
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post Jul 4 2014, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Jul 3 2014, 11:05 PM)
Rip.

Tyre not run flat? Can shoot the tire?
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High center of gravity and it's top heavy. Inherit danger of all armoured vehicles.

They don't have modern safety features. Accident macam duduk dalam kereta zaman 50s

RIP to the VC and cpl. Hope the others recover
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post Jul 4 2014, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 4 2014, 12:27 AM)
do these vehicles even have seatbelts?

i think they didnt turn oon the aircon so all the vents are left open for ventilation thus the guys sitting on top section gets thrown out?

i see army convoys carrying soldiers on truck, apart from driving slow, theres pretty much no safety features. i don't think it's appropriate for them to travel in such unsafe measures.
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It's normal to open the hatches to increase visibility. The vehicles has a lot of blind spots so the driver depends on the commander for directions
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post Jul 4 2014, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 4 2014, 12:36 AM)
seat belts? air cond?

this is not your everyday vehicle
these are old war machine, not the new and sophisticated battle vehicle
kipas pun belum tentu ada

that's why all the top door is open
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I pernah langgar kambing. Vehicle terbalik, gunner patah tangan. Kambing hidup. Wtf
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post Jul 4 2014, 12:53 AM

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Dah memang Nasib aku dengan kambing nak buat macam mana. Ok lagi dari langgar lembu ke kuda ke. Yang ni dekat dengan base. Driver baru masuk seminggu, x reti nak main brek
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post Jul 5 2014, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(manickam123 @ Jul 4 2014, 04:02 PM)
that is really awful APC. don't say kena hit by mine, rpg or IED lah...a usual accident among APCs are when they climb up a hill, because of their high center of gravity, esp this condor one...they tend to overturn.

that was a major accident occurance among US troops in Afganistan, when their high MRP vehicles overturn esp when it climb up the hill...the poor guy at the turret all smash up.

so imagine lah, the kind of safety this APC offers...if got EHS ah sure fail one.
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In the 80s considered high tech wo..

The case with the MRAP was caused by lack of driving experience . Didn't know what it could take

Dude, you know that anything larger than a 30mm round will likely turn an IFV into butter

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