But I heard FrouFrou is more exp compared to the regular chain, for example Wah Chan?

It is possible since Wah Chan sells diamond at quite a fair price. But then, we still have to see what kind of service (able to educate customers, get diamond images, etc) and diamonds Frou Frou is able to provide.

You probably need to compare the diamonds' 4Cs and proportions that they offer, along with the prices to make the final decision. I can't say which is better, but most people then went to Wah Chan seems to be pretty satisfied with it. You can FB both of them and see what they have in-stores for you. I think (no guarantee) both also have WhatsApp number that you can contact as well. Just google it.

Good luck.

Yeah, I heard given the same spec-to-spec, FrouFrou is more costly

If you are referring to just the standard 4Cs then it is not enough. You still have to look at the proportions of the diamond, or better still - images (H&A, IdealScope, ASET) of the diamond, to determine whether the "extra" cost is worth it.

For example, just take a look at Audrey's website (http://www.audreys.com.my/). You can see similar diamonds at different price. One of the main factors is the proportions. The better the proportions, the more expensive the price.

Another reason could be different diamond batch has different pricing. At least that is what is happening with WhiteFlash. A 0.402 E VVS2 can be cheaper than an 0.402 F VS2.

My advice is still to go and ask further, see what the vendors have in-store. Perhaps you could ask for the GIA cert number and take a look the proportions first. Usually these days, the vendors are willing to share. If not, then it is a sign to move on to another vendor.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Aug 8 2017, 10:20 PM

Guys, total newbie here.
Can you all help me in reviewing this current diamond? Price wise is around RM 5500 (Just the stone)

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6261155630

Thank you : )

This post has been edited by Redevil0410: Aug 9 2017, 11:49 AM

Enchanted Cut Score is 97.2%.
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/cut-score-cal...d=R42-267Z10475

HCA is 1.3

The reason it did not score 100% for Enchanted Cut Score is probably because of the crown angle of 35.5 degrees.

GIA rounds up the average of 8 crown angles to the nearest 0.5 degree. So 35.5 degree crown can actually be 35.7 degrees or 35.3 degrees. We won't want the crown angle to go too steep because this will cause some light leakage. Anyway, I have read that 35.5 degree is an acceptable crown angle but to me, there is still some risk. But nonetheless, assuming the crown angle is exactly at 35.5 degree crown angle, this diamond has pretty good proportions. In fact, the pairing of steep crown angle and shallow pavilion angle is a good combination. Ideally, crown angle and pavilion angle should be the inverse of each other from what I have read.

As for the price, RM 5,500 for such specs I think is acceptable. Given the fact that what I found from WhiteFlash is more expensive.

At RM 5,500 it is close to a 0.402 E VVS2 https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link) that I could get from WhiteFlash. The WF diamond costs USD 1202. Using exchange rate of 4.35 (M2U TT Rate) + 6% GST the price in MYR is around 5,542.42, including some misc. charges such as GST on shipment and insurance, the final price should be around RM 5,580. Despite that, the GIA diamond is still bigger at 4.79 x 4.83 x 2.95 mm vs 4.71 x 4.74 x 2.92 mm.

Another WhiteFlash diamond that has almost the same specs is this: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp (affiliate link). This one costs USD 1350. Include GST & misc. charges, it will cost RM 6,250. The size is around the same as the GIA diamond @ 4.80 x 4.82 x 2.97 mm.

Since I am able to find that diamond in Enchanted Diamonds, this means that the diamond is not in your vendor's hand. Therefore, basically you are buying blind. To overcome this, you can request your vendor to provide you the diamond images (Hearts & Arrows, IdealScope, ASET, Actual Diamond Image). We won't know how well cut it is until we can see it. My guess so far is that is should be above the average cut because Enchanted Diamonds gave it a Master Cut rating at 97.2%, but then, again, it is best if we can verify it.

Here is another GIA diamond in Enchanted Diamonds that has 97.2% cut score:
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view...amond-0890Z5367
My guess is that this diamond score 97.2% is probably because of its total depth at 62.3% (ideally, we should keep it at 62% max). If you take a look at the images, the Hearts & Arrows have a smaller heart at the 11 o'clock position, while the IdealScope shows light leakage at the 10 and 11 o'clock position (whitish area). That's why I said images are important.

Feeling curious, I have messaged Enchanted Diamonds and see if I can get the diamond images, fingers crossed. At the same time, feel free to check with your vendor and see if he/she can get the images as well.

Good luck.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Aug 9 2017, 02:35 PM

Forget it bro. They will take years to respond to your image request.

Thank you, guys.
On the other hand, while I went to survey in Love & Co, I found out their signature Love Marque diamonds are certified by International Institute of Diamond Grading & Research (IIDGR, part of De Beers), not AGS or GIA cert. Anyone has opinion or experience on this IIDGR cert?
Haha thanks.

I think whole Malaysia only Love & Co has that cert. It is basically Hearts & Arrows diamond, and I believe they also include the Hearts & Arrows image in their cert. The price probably won't come cheap. IMO, I will stick to either GIA or AGS. They are well-proven. As for IIDGR, they are part of De Beers, so in other words, they grade their own diamond since De Beers itself is a mining company.

Mind sharing what is the price range like?

I didn't specifically ask for the specs and prices. But I was told that in general 0.3 carat with setting in this series costs around RM 7000 + while 0.4 carat costs around rm10k. Yeah, I do saw heart and arrows in their cert.

7000+ include setting is pretty expensive for a 0.3ct. Nonetheless, we have to look at the specs and the ring setting they offer.

Also, again, different grading lab may come out with different result. I am not sure how strict is IIDGR. Their standard may be the same with GIA/AGS or their standard may be more lenient. I am referring to both Colour and Clarity. We cannot know for sure until you get to see 2 diamonds from different grading lab side-by-side, but this is for Colour only.

Anyway, I am able to get everything done below RM 7000 with specs below. It is one of the best super ideal diamond money can buy. Look at the Hearts & Arrows and see for yourself.

0.316 D VS1 @ USD 931 - http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link)
Shipment + Insurance - Approximately USD 55 (probably max). You can check with them again via their online chat.
Total = USD 931 + USD 55 = USD 986
Today M2U TT Selling Price is 4.3540, so in RM it is RM 4293.04.
Add on 6% GST, the price will be RM 4550.62 -> Price for a D colour VS1 AGS triple excellent diamond.
So, using RM 7000 as your budget, this leaves you with around RM 2449.38 for ring setting alone. You have pretty lots of options at this price point. On average, a simple ring setting will cost you around RM 1500.00.

The diamond I shown above is already on the more expensive side of things. You can even get 0.303 D VS1 at USD 888:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds...?a_aid=myengexp (affiliate link). Just that the one I mentioned earlier seems to look slightly a bit better in terms of arrows and IdealScope. If you view side-by-side, I believe both look as gorgeous.

What I can guess is, Love & Co cannot provide you with such specs at this price point. However, one thing that is probably good about Love & Co is probably their ring designs. Since they are under Soo Kee group, I believe the workmanship is there.

Hope this helps.

Good luck!

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Aug 11 2017, 09:17 AM

Appreciate your help very much. I will update here once I have done my survey and make my purchase : )

No problem. Let me know if you have further questions, be it WhiteFlash/Brian Gavin or not.

Have fun hunting for your diamond.

Hi all Sifu,

My budget is RM6k include Halo setting and i got a quote from Tailored Jewel. No choice has to go on Halo setting as my gf like this setting.

Can sifu here help me on this and advice on this quote? Thanks

Diamond 1 : is it can be be ignore as most of the criteria not met?

Hereby attached the quotation attachment  06QUO01082017SB.PDF ( 408.05k ) Number of downloads: 49

and link for hi-res picture of diamond and video https://www.sendspace.com/file/2mm599

Hope sifu here can help on this.

Thanks

Diamond 1 - Pavilion angle is way over steep. You can skip it.
Look at what Enchanted Diamond score it: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/cut-score-cal...cate=6242118981. Just 66.3%.

Diamond 2 - It has faint fluorescence (probably nothing major but will tend to skip it). More critical one is the diamond is cut pretty deep at 62.7%. You look at the size of this diamond: 4.29 - 4.31 x 2.70 mm. Compare it to the size of diamond 1, which is 4.34 - 4.36 x 2.69 mm. Both same 0.31ct, but diamond 2 has lesser face up area indicating diamond 2 carat weight is wasted on depth instead of face-up area. Nothing major though because we are just talking about 0.05mm, but worth highlighting.

Look at what Enchanted Diamonds score it: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/cut-score-cal...cate=2236425202. 94.4%. Probably lose some score in terms of depth.

At this depth, there may be light leakage. I would encourage you to request IdealScope image (fingers crossed that you can get it) to check for light return. Also, H&A image is pretty easy to capture as well, but then it is not uncommon that the vendor can't provide right away.

As for price, I can't really comment. But putting aside fluorescence and the depth, you are paying a premium for VVS1. There is really no need to do so IMO.

Personally, I will continue to look for another diamond. You can try ask TJ to look for diamonds without fluorescence with E VS1, and see what they have in-store for you. Also, request for diamonds that have diamond depth max at 62%, crown angle between 34.4 - 34.9 (for GIA will be 34.5 - 35 because they round up at 0.5), pavilion angle at 40.6 - 40.9.

Hope this helps. Good luck bro.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Aug 11 2017, 05:42 PM

Thanks kambingkoh for your advice, will skip for diamond 1, what about diamond 3,4,5?

Eh? Missed out.

Diamond 3 - 96.9 (EC Score: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/cut-score-cal...ate=6255309717)
Diamond 4 - 97.2 (EC Score: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/cut-score-cal...ate=7241777165)
Diamond 5 - 100.00 (EC Score: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/cut-score-cal...ate=5182348193)

The look of Diamond 5 from the PDF looks okay to me. But not sure why the Hearts & Arrows only score "Very Good". You might want to check on that. Also, the 34 degree crown angle, although ideal at 34 degrees, but I prefer slightly steep because will increase some fire. But nonetheless, after looking at all the available options and images on PDF (I did not check the SendSpace because office internet block it), Diamond 5 will be my choice.

You can ask TJ to provide you a few more options as well, if possible.

I shall see the SendSpace contents tonight, if I have the time.

Good luck!

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Aug 11 2017, 06:40 PM

ok bro, no problem. take your time.