So you are now name calling eh. Let me guess why you took so long to answer. The fact is that I got you cornered and you refuse to answer further because you know that the more you answer the more you look bad on yourself. But the fact is that since you know you are getting exposed real bad, you have to start defending yourself. You see, when even UW starts questioning your belief, not defending yourself will lead to you not taken seriously. Actually you are not taken seriously in the first place. No one actually read your article. People are praising you because you are writing long articles that's all. No one actually reads them. So you should be thankful that I actually read them.

Well.
1) Yes it is referring to believers but then it differs from what you are teaching. If I can recall, you were talking about the 10 Virgins. You were comparing this verse to the passage of the 10 virgins. So what does this has got to do with the virgins and their oil lamps? You see, knowing operus mondi, you will always twist even what you said earlier just to confuse everyone. Again you can confuse others but not me.

2)I have already proven that when Jesus says that he does not knows someone, it means that this person is not His in other words not a believer.
No. Look carefully at the verse. The "workers of iniquity" claims that they did a lot of things under the name of Christ but then Christ did not acknowledge their works. He treated everything they did as iniquity. You see, people like you think that they are doing a lot of work for Christ. But then, when the day comes you will be surprised that Christ will also say that you are a worker on iniquity.

3)So you even know my theology as well. Good Job. It just prove that you do not want to discuss with me because discussing with me will make you look bad. You know that I am not one of those people who get trick so easily and that is why you only discuss with people who are weak in their theology and not me. Nope. Not every person who calls themselves Christians are believers. Not every person who appear to serve the church are believers. In fact the parable of the seed should have given you a clue. Again, you do not even understand the basic calvanistic argument.

4)Nope, as mentioned earlier. Laocidea is talking about God's discipline in this age and not the next. God disciplines his Children but we do not need to be overcomers because the work has already been done on the cross. God can perfect us even though we ourself are not perfected just like the thief on the cross. Christ told the thief that he will in paradise today. There's no maturing process required for the thief. It's pretty clear that you are spreading false hood.

There's nothing that breaks the Camel's back. Actually what break the Camel's back is that you choose to take a previous argument that we had ages ago and use it to substantiate your current argument. If you are confident of yourself why do that? Very simple. You need to defend falsehood because there is no turning back after all.

Nope. God wants us to secure in our faith. There is no need for perfection in the next life. God can perfect us immediately after we die as shown by the verse I provided.

Anyway, James 2 is talking about demonstration of faith through works. The whole new testament talks about justification through faith and here you only have 1 verse that demonstrate works. Now I have been saying all along. That faith needs to be demonstrated through works. In fact, I have always said that when one comes to faith, naturally, he will love the law too because he understands that the law was created by God not only for being obedient to God but then also in order to benefit him. But then while I was debating with UW, you have been silent all this while. The thing is you know you have to be silent because if not then it will be your turn. See, even now your conscience has been seared just so that you can keep your position over here.

Hebrews 11.

Now, you see. When Abraham offers his Son to the alter, it was actually mainly due to faith. It was because of his faith, that he trusted God and offer his Son. God was actually demonstrating that Abraham was faithful. It's got nothing to do with maturity my friend.

Similarly, when we serve in faith as Christians in the church or even in the office, people will be able to see our fruits and thus we will be rewarded in this way. Nothing too complex there.

You see, there. It's so obvious to me that you are not willing to answer me because answering me will lead you to question your own beliefs because your beliefs were not founded upon God's Word. But then your conscience has been seared to such a degree that you now have to discredit me just so as to defend yourself. It's amazing how when people are starting to lose their credibility, they will resort to all kind of things.

Why do I have to come out with a framework? I follow the word of God. I do not create a framework and fit God's word in the framework like how Watchman nee does. You did not come out with any framework. You are just a follower of one. That's all.

The thing is you can only spread falsehood for so long. Eventually when the light shines on darkness, darkness will be exposed.

And I know you are just going to stay silent for a while and then when question further just come out and say that I did not prove anything. That is your operus mondi anyway. You do not have the balls to carry on with the discussion and have to resort to those tactics.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Oct 6 2014, 04:56 PM

Friend, you decide the conclusion.

If you are going to continue to be spoon fed and not be led by the spirit, nothing can be done to help you.

Dangerous because you said so?

Hey we are interpreting the bible. Not your version of things ok.

am i having a feeling that sylar is the earlier fella that refutes everything we shared here?

Which fella. And I dun see you saying anything.

If you are not contributing to anything, at least learn how to read.

The only person I am refuting is Pehkey. I am writing in support of UW. So what do you mean by refuting everyone in the first place?

what make you think i am number one report guy huh?

Sorry sylar, if you look few pages back there is a incident where certain members stirring up something like everything pehkay and UW write.........i am not blaming anyone, i may have not posted anything here does not means i don't follow it...........

everyone has their own interpretation on how the bible tell them as the spirit led them

Guys, don't fight, Sylar111 and de_luffy

I'm just having a friendly discussion with Pehkay, no animosity involved.

Macam so hardline ya you

Bible Devotions with UW

Who is your God?



I've not heard of any other religion or any other gods of this world who would say "I will be your God". No, I have not heard it.
Most of the time, it's the person who is in trouble or who has great need that will come to certain deities or gods hoping for answers to the god whom He does not know personally.
And that person will be willing to perform any rituals required, with unknown hope, hoping that he will be answered.

Friends,

We have the Lord of the Heaven and of Earth who says to you "I WILL BE YOUR GOD" and You WILL BE MY PEOPLE.
This God is alive and is not silent.

Do you know the deep significant of this meaning, I WILL BE YOUR GOD?
If you have spiritual ear, Hear this:

He is the God who will protect you.
He is the God who will provide you.
He is the God who will guide you.

But most of all;

He is the God who loves you.

Count it great joy knowing and with great contentment of relief, this GREAT ALMIGHTY GOD loves you and does not wants you destroyed in anyway.

Since the days of old, Since the time of Moses, we have a God who reaches out to his people. The gods of this world is silent and does not speak.
For the longest time ever, THIS Lord Almighty whose Name is Christ Jesus and is One with the Father wants to be your God and you his people.

He is no figment of Imagination, Friends. He came in the historical person of Jesus Christ, recorded by secular historians. This is an established fact, irrefutable and undeniable.
And this trail of history can be witness throughout the surrounding Jerusalem in Israel, even Today.

Most gods and deities of this world came as story of myth and of unknown origin, untraceable in history but our God is a reality who does not leave his mark as a mystery unknown.

Do not be afraid, dear Friends, Christ Jesus wants to be your God to set you free from the Yoke of the Egyptians*. Yoke of Egyptians represent the system of this world. From the powers of this world; the Yoke of Oppression, Depression, Poverty, Stress, Health problem, Uncertain Future, Loneliness, Hurtful past, Unforgiveness, Shame, ,Reproach, etc.

Most of all He came to set you free from Eternal Condemnation into Abundant Life. (John 10:10).

Choose this day, who is your God.

God Bless.

Anyway, wrong accusing your brother is not something to be taken lightly

1 Peter 3:16English Standard Version (ESV)

16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.

Well, at least post something constructive. It's better then wrongly accusing someone.

And no. The truth is narrow not wide.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Oct 7 2014, 01:33 PM

Well, Christianity is hard business.

Remember.

You are supposed to lose your life for it.

Amen

What about joy and laughter?

So did Jesus laugh when the Pharaisees were mocking him and shaming their religion?

Happy people most often do not know what's going on. They are the ones who always get cheated.

So I guess Noah was really happy too when he was building the ark knowing very well that the whole world is about to get destroyed.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Oct 7 2014, 05:32 PM

The Experience of Jacob

Jacob was chosen before his birth, even before the foundation of the world (25:22-23; Rom. 9:11; Eph. 1:4). We, like Jacob, were also chosen before we were born. Our being chosen by God was according to His foreknowledge (1 Pet. 1:2; Rom. 8:29).

Not of His Own Strife

Jacob was not chosen by God of his own strife (25:22-23, 26). Likewise, our being chosen is not according to our struggling. Jacob was somewhat foolish. Of course, he did not have the knowledge that we have. If he had known that he had been chosen, he would have had no need to struggle and could have told Esau, "Esau, you may go out first. No matter who gets out first, I have been chosen. It does not matter how fast you are or how slow I am. The birthright is mine because I have been chosen." But because Jacob did not have this revelation, he struggled.

Not of His Own Works

Romans 9:11, referring to Jacob and Esau, says, "The children not yet being born, nor having done anything good or bad, (that the purpose of God according to selection might remain, not of works, but of Him who calls)." In this verse we see that Jacob's being chosen was not of his own works. Before the children had done neither good nor bad, God had told Rebekah, the mother, that the "greater shall serve the less" (Rom. 9:12). This proves that God's selection does not depend upon our works. Whether we are good or bad means nothing.

Of God Who Calls

Romans 9:13 says, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." His selection does not depend on us; it is absolutely up to Him. It is not of our struggle or works, "but of Him who calls." We are not the Creator—He is.

Of God's Mercy

God's selection is also of God's mercy (Rom. 9:14-16). God said to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion" (Rom. 9:15). We all are the objects of God's mercy. How we thank Him that He has had mercy on us! "It is not of the one who wills, nor of the one who runs, but of God, the One who shows mercy" (Rom. 9:16).

Of God's Grace

God's selection is also of His grace (Rom. 11:5). It is somewhat difficult to understand mercy and grace as they are related to God's selection. Although we were selected and foreknown by God in eternity past, when God came to call us, we were in a pitiful situation, a situation which required God's mercy.

The enemy, the Devil, might have said to God, "Look at this one who is Your selection. How pitiful he is!" Then God might have said to Satan, "Satan, don't you realize that this is a very good opportunity for Me to show My mercy? Without such a pitiful person, how could I show My mercy? If everyone were perfect and up to your standard, I would have no one on whom to show mercy. Satan, this chosen one is the right one to be the object of My mercy." What about grace? As we have seen, grace is something of God wrought into our being. Although we were so pitiful, God did not reject us. Rather, regardless of Satan's accusations, He had mercy on us. God might have said to Satan, "Satan, I shall not only show mercy to My chosen ones, but I shall work Myself into them." When God is wrought into our being, that is grace. We are not only the objects of God's mercy; we are also the objects of His grace. We are under God's mercy, and His grace is within us.

What about the joy mentioned in fruit of the spirt in Galatians 5:22-23? Smile and happy sikit la friend. Why so serious?

There is a time for everything ma

I appreciate your boldness for Christ. Sure it's such a sacrifice to live like that.

My calling is to build people.

What do you think ? most people doesn't like being a "Christianity is a hard business, supposed to lose your life" Christian but i have to build them anyway, making them a better person day-by-day. Any idea ?

i am not acusing you as someone, i am just being cautious, from your behavior i assume you might be the same guys who earlier making a slander.............if i have wronged you, my apologies.........

don't forget the Bible also teaches us to correct someone who you think is at fault also nobody has the right to judge anyone only God alone know what is in their heart

sylar111, you by any chance know theaccountant? seem like you have some of his resemblance?

Nope. Who is he.

Why would you say that I am similar to him.