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CRUSADER
“The crusade calls me...so I go.”


Crusaders are unbending champions of faith and law. These living fortresses use impenetrable plate and towering shields to wade through scores of foes, leaving demonic bodies smoldering in their wake.

The thick of battle is unforgiving, but crusaders rush in without hesitation, relying on holy magic and heavy armor to guarantee victory. Well-trained crusaders are adept at deflecting attacks entirely, often shrugging off massive blows that would fell lesser combatants. If pressed, they can sacrifice speed and mobility for pure staying power.

Bone-crunching flails and wicked shields are perfect for melee, but crusaders are hardly limited to extinguishing evil at close range. When one of these divinely empowered warriors joins battle, blazing fire and blinding light follow, smiting entire packs of enemies who dare to resist judgment.

BACKGROUND
“The crusade calls me...so I go.”

The leaders of the harmonious Zakarum religion once strove to imprison Mephisto, Lord of Hatred, beneath Travincal temple, preventing him from ever twisting the hearts of humanity again.

They failed.

It was not the first time Zakarum had lapsed; 200 years prior, the cleric Akkhan noticed corruption at the heart of his faith, and sent his acolytes on a far-ranging quest to cleanse it. Akkhan’s “crusaders” were young recruits, chosen for honor and goodness, trained in weaponry and flesh-scouring magics, though their most important quality was unwavering devotion to duty.

Today, the crusaders’ focused quest for purity has broadened. Flimsy “containment” gives evil many opportunities to thrive, and wandering crusaders – often master and apprentice pairs – regularly strike down Sanctuary’s demons. Some fight out of righteousness; others in the hopes that their victories may make corrupt Zakarum whole again. When a crusader's master dies, their student takes up their weapons and their identity…and the crusade continues, even beyond death.
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Official resources/guides from battle.net:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/crusader/

Crusader short story, additional Lore from battle.net:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/lore/short-story/crusader/

Crusader skill calculator:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/crusader

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The Recruits

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Gears of Crusader:

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Yet to find any utility legendary besides the flail that doubles steed. ._.
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my current crus build has gobs of all resistance .....

so some of my gear aren't perfect, got everything but all resistance. so i'm testing with the new modifiers like increase fist of heaven damage 10-15% etc..... since there is room to have this even though the piece doesn't have allres.

Worse case scenario i can always re-enchant to add ares if the situation changes.

But i'm keeping in mind the perma enchant slot, as well as the increase in gold price everytime you enchant the same piece, as well as my limited stock pile of ros brims X_X:

I think eventually i will be weaning down all resistance for strength gems, once i get better gear. I'm keeping track that all resistance is matching the armor defense value to make me be able to dps in torment 1 and above without dying, now that life steal has been removed.


I'm also contemplating a high end strategy for using a crit hit chance shield for higher torments whether that would be feasible, or whether a thorn defensive build is the way to go.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 29 2014, 07:22 PM)
my current crus build has gobs of all resistance .....

so some of my gear aren't perfect, got everything but all resistance. so i'm testing with the new modifiers like increase fist of heaven damage 10-15% etc..... since there is room to have this even though the piece doesn't have allres.

Worse case scenario i can always re-enchant to add ares if the situation changes.

But i'm keeping in mind the perma enchant slot, as well as the increase in gold price everytime you enchant the same piece, as well as my limited stock pile of ros brims X_X:

I think eventually i will be weaning down all resistance for strength gems, once i get better gear. I'm keeping track that all resistance is matching the armor defense value to make me be able to dps in torment 1 and above without dying, now that life steal has been removed.
I'm also contemplating a high end strategy for using a crit hit chance shield for higher torments whether that would be feasible, or whether a thorn defensive build is the way to go.
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i'm testing a viable way to reach the 75% block cap.

30 is 4 or more creeps within 8 yard range. 29 from my shield, another 11 from shield extra stat. the remove dodge but gain 15 block.

in total i got 44% block static. 74% when fighting groups of mobs (4 or more)

The other method is to use the provoke with rune hit me. Problem with that though, it has a 20 second cooldown .... so unless there is an item that can reduce that to somethin within 5 seconds, i wouldn't recommend using this route.



the justice lantern has block, but it's not trifecta (attack speed, crit hit chance, crit hit damage + main stat aka strength + maybe 1 defensive skill either vit or all res). So i'm not convinced it's worth using justice lantern for block, because you are sacrificing too much.

Helm of command may also have block. Yet again, you won't be able to use mempo's twilight that has attack speed and possibly even crit hit chance. That is another miss opportunity for some damage dealing stats wasted on something else.

So maybe my method i first mentioned seems the only viable route atm that i can see, unless there is a good item out there that can do better hmm.gif


PS: i had to replace my holy cause passive to fit in the block passives. Not too happy about that, because it impacts negatively for my heavens fury build, to move toward a more block oriented build. Gonna have to see whether it's worth it or not.

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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Mar 29 2014, 06:22 PM)
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You have insane HP.

But you have very low AR.
IMO, it's not ideal.
I'd go for AR > Armor > HP.

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bobo, your toughness is nice but you're low on damage.

i'm roughly 8.6m toughness with 805k damage (unbuffed, not taking into account the damage i do from 3 beams of heaven's fury using my "fate of the fell legendary ability". that seems more balanced in terms of offensive and defensive.

But as alleune has highlighted, toughness can be deceiving. If your ares is low, then physical is pointless if you'll just be killed by molten, poison etc....

you need to see your physical reduction (from armor and strength), and make sure spell damage reduction (from all resistance) is also almost equally matching that.

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1235 all resistance which is 77.92% dmg reduction against spells in torment 1.

my armor is 13,066 which is 78.87% dmg reduction against physical attacks in torment 1.

387k healthpoints.

AND FURTHERMORE, my block chance can reach up to 74% which you make my shields legendary ability kick in "You take 56% less damage from blocked attacks"
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So you see, you need to see the finer print to build a good defensive stat that properly works. So although my toughness is less than yours, i feel that i can tank better than you can :}


PS: i'm using some bad rings for exp farming paragorn. So my dps can go even further by just using the trifecta rings i keep on my barbarian Gutz laugh.gif


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technically most of my gear has all ar, if i remove gem i will lose the damage tremendously, unless i can find some good legs, those %life came with ar so why not

Also green gem for being a jew in gold

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How hell do u get 800k dps? Is that normal for crusader?
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Moogle, are u getting your sustain mainly from your gear or from your crusader abilities?

I'm using wrathful as my main sustain, it was ok when i had lower hp but insufficient now as it does'n't scale, require kiting once in a while. lol

Holy cause doesn't work for me as my AS is too low and i experimented with having few k LOH doesn't work too well for me
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How hell do u get 800k dps? Is that normal for crusader?
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It's easier to stack dps now. I have some clanmates with 1m+ paper dps sweat.gif
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QUOTE(stevie @ Mar 29 2014, 11:25 PM)
Moogle, are u getting your sustain mainly from your gear or from your crusader abilities?

I'm using wrathful as my main sustain, it was ok when i had lower hp but insufficient now as it does'n't scale, require kiting once in a while. lol

Holy cause doesn't work for me as my AS is too low and i experimented with having few k LOH doesn't work too well for me
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my updated lv 70 gear...

-shoulder (stats)
-chest (stats)
-pants (yellow non legend) (stats)
- shield (stats and damage mitigator legendary skill)
- 2 hand weapon (has str and vit 900+, a sock with chd, and it's legendary skill is the main driver my whole build revolves around for damage dealing)
- amulet (not trifecta but the clones are nice for added damage)
-boots (doesn't have all res, but i notice i still have 1200 ares even without it, so i use these boots for the stats. it also boosts damage for my fist of the heaven lightning attacks)
- helm ( mempo ros has 3 less attack speed than legacy. But other than that has more strength. I could re roll socket for chc, but i want the socket for ruby to farm exp)


lv60 legacy gear
- gloves (trifecta)
- witching hour (crit hit damage)
- leoric signet (exp ring)
- uber ring (exp ring)


my rings aren't serious ones for dpsing. their just for me to farm exp as i play.

other possible jewelry candidates
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When i use my dps rings, some of my stats dropped like the chc, and ares. i think ares is still fine for t1-t2 so i don't i need to add in all resistance to my boots just yet.

chc and attack speed is not quite near what i need them to be. attack speed i probably can get more from paragorn points once i farm up to lv 600. as for chc, either i enchant mempo's to add it in, or i find a lacuni's with 6 chc, and try get my other gear to perf chc to get it to 45-55 chc if possible.

Anyway with my current build and items, i'm doing 1-3 million regular damage. for crits i get roughly 4-5 million crit dmg. This tested in torment 1. As for heaven's fury, it's multiplied by 1680% for each beam for enemies caught in it, and i can spam this spell every 15 seconds with hardly any cost. You do the math.

as for that 38.8 % dmg increase to elites, that is coming from stone of jordan and unity rings. That probably makes up for the fact that they aren't trifecta, i hope.

As for why i am not using ruby gems to pump strength, well i am using all resistance gems to match up my spell damage reduction to be roughly the same as my armor physical damage reduction. Once this was achieved, then i focused on upping my strength. This is the approach i took, because we don't have life steal to depend on, where damage = life regen. So we need to ensure we are perfectly capable of surviving first, then add in damage. And as i find better gear, i may wean this down by replacing an ares gem and adding in a ruby strength gem when the situation allows.

But for now most of my strength comes from
1. paragorn skill
2. gear stats
3. passive (strength for each socket on your gear)

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Paragorn skill point tree
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Dps rings i have, and will only use for ubers, or when i really have to (probably torment 3-6 and ubers)
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How does my build work

I nick named it the shock and awe build. Because it revolves around heaven's fury - ascendency which i dub the ion cannon to be my heavy damage nuke which i cast every 15 seconds when fighting elites, or whenever i am swarmed by many creeps. This build is only possible because of the weapon "fate's of the fell" which gives me 3 instead of just 1 beam.

fist of the heaven is my wrath spammer. I did try the shield charge, but i still like foth. I'm not sure if it's the best, but it works for me.

Steed charge endurance is just for getting around places. it's not really mean't to do much damage, it's just to make myself more mobile.

slash zeal is my regular attacks. I tend to fight bunchs of creeps at the same time, also since i am using a slow 2 handed weapon, i felt that a zealadin build to increase my attack speed was needed.

laws of valor - frozen in terror, is to increase attack speed passive. but the active skill is for 100% chance to stun to make my Shako amulet spawn 2 clones of myself to help deal damage. I'm not sure exactly how much damage they do each, but it works for me.

Akarat's champion replaced my ironhide for defensive. Ironhide is good and be cast more often, but i liked akarat's because i can reduce my heaven's fury timer for a quicker recast, also if i take a death critical blow, it will restore my health full life instead. It's more offensive oriented compared to thick hide.


Holy cause for increase damage. it also heals you when using holy spells, in my case heaven's fury.

insurmountable increases my block by 30 whenever 4 or more mobs swarm me. I find that i tend to need blocks kickin in when there are a huge group of mobs which are 4+ in number, so this works quite often in the situations where i need block to work.

finery gives me strength for each socket i have in my gear. Yes please.

heavenly strength allows me to wield a 2handed weapon in 1 hand, so that i may use a shield as well. This is very important to have. But it sucks that your movement speed is reduced by 15% as a consequence.



There some items that could patch up my build such as....

1. a shield to reduce the cooldown of heaven's fury by as much as 50%
2. a shield to remove the 15% ms nerf from using heavenly strength passive.
3. a shield that restores my life and my allies life based on a percentage of damage i successfully block. this probably would work nicely with unity ring (assuming that the damage i take from team mates via unity can be blocked).


Issues with the build
1. i use 2 handed so my slow swing means less wrath i regen. This causes issues for spamming fist of the heaven. It also doesn't help that my wrath passive regen is also low. The result is that foth isn't spammed as much as it ideally should.
2. my block isn't close to capping 75% I only can get up to 29% (reliably) or 59% if swarmed by 4 or more creeps. So that is 16% block i am missing to cap. Where to get this ? honestly not sure. The justice lantern ring is rather sad to even contemplate.
3. my gear stats is lacking the necessary chc and attack speed to make it better. also seeing as heaven's fury is the goal of my build, this means i should also be hoarding as much chd as i can (assuming that this spell can crit dmg, which i hope it does).

i want to aim for

2 attack speed minimum, 45-55 minimum chc, chd 450+ and the skys the limit.



Other unanswered dilemmas regarding gear

how am i going to swap out lacunis (movement speed, attack speed, crit hit chance, main stat str) bracers, and witching hour (main stat str, all ares, and more importantly crit hit damage) ???



damage mitigation and life regen in the build from the gear, how does it work ?
When i block an attack successfully, my damage blocks the damage but also take 56% less damage. this is why it's important to cap my block to the max 75% .... still a work in progress.

armor and all resistance must be high enough tor the torment level you are doing.

for life regen it's a combination of
1. life per second
2. life per hit.

LPS is self explanatory. But for life per hit, for every enemy i hit, i heal that amount. So if i am slashing hitting 4 targets, then i heal x4 my lph (so i hope... not sure if that is true).

Also holy cause passive, whenever you deal holy damage (in this case heavens fury), heal for 1% of your total health.

My shoulders has a chance to prevent critical death blow from killing me, but instead healing me back to 25% of my total hp. I'm not sure how reliable this is.....

my chest will heal me back to 100% health if i get a survival bonus (i think that is if i get as low as 5% of my hp, and stay below that for 3-5 seconds, before it works)

Also to work with my chest, i got the boots that increases my movement speed by 30% as my life gets low. So i can horse to un-ice myself, to run away, while waiting for my chest to heal me back to full health.

A combination of damage mitigation, high health pool, life per sec, life per hit....... special legendary affixes, is what helps me to survive the onslaught now that life steal is pretty much obsolete.



Summary
I slash attack and spam foth whenever i got wrath to spare, or spread it out over time when needed.

And every 15 seconds i will use the heaven's fury if i am over whelmed, or when fighting elites. I probably save akarats for elites or bad situations, because although the cooldown isn't that long, i like to only use it when i really have to.

So you could call this a zealadin + foth + heavens fury build lulz...

It probably is a bad idea to mix zealadin with HF, because one depends on fast hits (attack speed+ chc, chd), while the other depends on hard hits (CHD, CHC). But while i am waiting for the 15second cooldown, i got to be dealing damage right ? I didn't find it acceptable swining slowly, so that is why i decided on this approach, even though it's problematic getting all trifecta stats near to where i want them to be.


PS: there are alternative builds revolving around my weapon and heaven's fury, which you can view here and elsewhere
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12296459667?page=1

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dear Moogle, thanks for your guide...

very usefull and i really like the build smile.gif

will keep farming for my noob crusader and wish 1day can get gears similar like yours.^^
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I only have cikai2 stuff on my crusader

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attack speed alarmingly LOW !! FIX ASAP!

chc seems alrite not too urgent. but always if you can cram in more chc to hit 50 or 55, then nice.

CHD kinda low ....


ur chest and pants should have sockets.... 3 on chest, 2 on pants. Best stats is strength, vit, ares, and the sockets..... a nice white armor is also good. extras after that e.g armor, special legendary is just icing on the cake.

anyway once u socket use the diamond gems to get your ares up. you should be able to then hit 1100-1200 ares easy.

your armor seems fine.

block chance 12 is very low .... a good shield block is normall 29 and above. with the +11 block as well.


533k hp is good but maybe you are sacrificing too much dps potential for unecessarily high hp. i'm 380 hp and doing fine.




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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 31 2014, 02:17 AM)
attack speed alarmingly LOW !! FIX ASAP!

chc seems alrite not too urgent. but always if you can cram in more chc to hit 50 or 55, then nice.

CHD kinda low ....
ur chest and pants should have sockets.... 3 on chest, 2 on pants. Best stats is strength, vit, ares, and the sockets.....  a nice white armor is also good. extras after that e.g armor, special legendary is just icing on the cake.

anyway once u socket use the diamond gems to get your ares up. you should be able to then hit 1100-1200 ares easy.

your armor seems fine.

block chance 12 is very low .... a good shield block is normall 29 and above. with the +11 block as well.
533k hp is good but maybe you are sacrificing too much dps potential for unecessarily high hp. i'm 380 hp and doing fine.
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Just one question, what Torment are you running. T6 without sweat?

ASPD is fine, but how are you dealing with the long cooldowns? So while waiting CD you only deal dmg with wrath generator and spender?

Also, +block chance on shield is already added to the shield tool tip of total block chance. Much like weapon DPS. So you don't get +11% more block chance. Just 29 for that Sublime Conviction shield.


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i enjoyed playing thorn build crusader [thx wong!]..can kills elites in a blink!

im still newbie tho..just started playing RoS because of crusader class released

soo my paragon level only reach lv40

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can do torment 1 easier now..havent tried other level yet..
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Mar 31 2014, 04:08 AM)
Just one question, what Torment are you running. T6 without sweat?

ASPD is fine, but how are you dealing with the long cooldowns? So while waiting CD you only deal dmg with wrath generator and spender?

Also, +block chance on shield is already added to the shield tool tip of total block chance. Much like weapon DPS. So you don't get +11% more block chance. Just 29 for that Sublime Conviction shield.
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i did t1-t3 with my build fine haha.. smile.gif

The heaven's fury nuke would work even in a higher torment i suspect because of the dps. but as for my other skills like hotl, and probably some of the others, maybe something different is required for something like torment 6, but i'm not sure what yet.

Gear wise, i built it from the ground up to scale well for the higher torment. So in terms of defensive i think it's pretty solid. The only things to improve it is to find better gear with more stats to hoard.Offensive abilities also isn't a slouch either because i also pay attention to that. But the higher the torment you go, i'm a bit worried that offensive power may not be able to be maxed out, cause you'll be neck deep trying to not die in say torment 6. Before we could just go full dps using barb and just use life steal to support such a high dps build. But without ls, we rely heavily on damage mitigation, and the other less reliable healing methods. So it will be a few months before people figure out what sort of build works in t6, but i suspect a more role oriented game style like 4 player team, the crus acts as a tank maybe using provoke, then being relied on as a tank, while the other 3 are the main dps most part.



Oh by the way, my build i switched akarat's champion for provoke.

Yes it has a 15 second cooldown, but apparently it's probably the best spell in the crusader's arsenal for topping off my wrath resource tank when i run out. So i can spam hotl while waiting for my heavens fury to refresh.

So that pretty much fixed the issue of not being able to spam hotl reasonably more, but now theproblem is, i don't have akarat's champion !



akarat's champion = fast attack speed. also reduces cooldown on spells on every hit (for my heaven's fury). Will auto max health if you receive a critical death blow to help you avoid getting killed.

provoke = wrath top up to refill the tank, to make it so that hotl can be spammed more than 1-2 times then waiting a long time to respam again. also can increase my block chance by alot to make my shield legendary affix to block dodge kick in. and the obvious taunt enemies to group them nice and close so the heavens fury beams are more focused (helps when there isn't a monk around to pull).


they both have their strong points. I'll be testing both out to see which i like most, but i guess most people opt for provoke for the praticality of it to make hotl more meaningful. Because as a 2handed weapon user, there is just no way to regain wrath without using a strong generator such as provoke for a near instant refill when you're out of wrath.

I looked at changing a passive but i didn't really want to change anything there. I looked at replacing another skill, but i can't seem to change what i got. Maybe the buff, but then i'd lose the attack speed passive ! and my amulets shako strategy to proc sad.gif

And whos gonna remove horsey biggrin.gif too useful for getting places. maybe for ubers i can though.



a tanky thorns build in torment 6, may be the superior option to dps and stay alive i suspect hmm.gif but will that be a satisfying way to play though ? That it ends up the only viable build for t6.



QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Mar 31 2014, 04:08 AM)
ASPD is fine, but how are you dealing with the long cooldowns? So while waiting CD you only deal dmg with wrath generator and spender?


when using akarat's champion, very few hotl is being cast because i'm not generating wrath fast enough to spam it effectively. So my dps while waiting on heaven's fury is slashing with the zealadin attack speed buff.

QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Mar 31 2014, 04:08 AM)
Also, +block chance on shield is already added to the shield tool tip of total block chance. Much like weapon DPS. So you don't get +11% more block chance. Just 29 for that Sublime Conviction shield.
so does that mean a shield showing 29 block chance, and has the 11% in the shield actually the mean isn't 29+11 = 40 block, but is 18+11 ? is that what your saying ?


QUOTE(stevie @ Mar 29 2014, 11:25 PM)
Moogle, are u getting your sustain mainly from your gear or from your crusader abilities?

I'm using wrathful as my main sustain, it was ok when i had lower hp but insufficient now as it does'n't scale, require kiting once in a while. lol

Holy cause doesn't work for me as my AS is too low and i experimented with having few k LOH doesn't work too well for me
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i think i more or less answered that in my guide. But for more specifics like how much heal you get when using holy spells like heaven's fury - ascendency with the passive holy cause, you will need to google online for the exact amount of heal you can expect.





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but seeing as i don't have a 2nd monitor, you can redict your questions to me ingame on my battle tag moogle#6806 if you have questions to ask about what you see in the stream smile.gif

also that my build isn't one necessarily suited for everyone, because it's specific to the mix of gear that i have. So you don't have some of the gear i have, especially the weapon, you may be disappointed by the result. It's more of a guideline how this sort of build would work, and gives you an indea how to build your own using the gear that you actually do have.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 31 2014, 09:11 AM)
i did t1-t3 with my build fine haha..  smile.gif

when using akarat's champion, very few hotl is being cast because i'm not generating wrath fast enough to spam it effectively. So my dps while waiting on heaven's fury is slashing with the zealadin attack speed buff.

so does that mean a shield showing 29 block chance, and has the 11% in the shield actually the mean isn't 29+11 = 40 block, but is 18+11 ? is that what your saying ?
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1. Considering Legs should be "End Game". You should rethink why couldn't you do a T6. Or at least a T4. With this much paragon level, This amount of AR, but only 300k+ hp, you will still get 1-2 shotted in T4 above. I'm all rares with only 2 legs, Amulet and weapon. And I'm doing T2 with 940+k dmg 11m toughness. I'm only half your Paragon levels at most. You don't need this much AR. This is no longer Inferno kind of play and AR does not increase % by much after 900 because blizzard scaled the increase of AR to gain very little after 900. They can't let you resist 99% against an element which is why if you mouse over your resist, you'll see resists are stuck at 70+%. AR 900 has resist at 75%, AR1.2k has maybe around 79/80% which makes insignificant reduction. Instead, if you use all that 300 AR on something else, you might be able to kill faster, and be more efficient in groups, yet still tank enough.

2. Perhaps you should try CDR (Cooldown Reduction). Crusader is suppose to be hard hitting but slow. I would not spend IAS on this char. I was sitting at 1m dmg and 13m toughness before. But I cannot solo T2 Elites with stupid affixes. I then change to CDR. Currently 31% CDR. My bursts like condemn CD at 10.5 Sec instead of 15. Which lets me burst down Elite packs better. Current Crusader is underpowered due to the long CD, bad wrath regen and bad spender's damage. If they fix any of the 2, then I'll start playing IAS and healing. For now, toughness + CDR wins Elites.

3. Yes, that means your shield is originally 18% Block chance, rolled a +11% which makes it 29%.



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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Mar 31 2014, 10:13 AM)
AR does not increase % by much after 900 because blizzard scaled the increase of AR to gain very little after 900. They can't let you resist 99% against an element which is why if you mouse over your resist, you'll see resists are stuck at 70+%. AR 900 has resist at 75%, AR1.2k has maybe around 79/80% which makes insignificant reduction. Instead, if you use all that 300 AR on something else, you might be able to kill faster, and be more efficient in groups, yet still tank enough.


that is definitely a valid arguement. i agree in the lower torments, my current ares is probably overkill but i leave it as such so i can do higher torments without having to re-jewel so often. it cost me like 1.2m + to unsocket....

QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Mar 31 2014, 10:13 AM)
2. Perhaps you should try CDR (Cooldown Reduction). Crusader is suppose to be hard hitting but slow. I would not spend IAS on this char. I was sitting at 1m dmg and 13m toughness before. But I cannot solo T2 Elites with stupid affixes. I then change to CDR. Currently 31% CDR. My bursts like condemn CD at 10.5 Sec instead of 15. Which lets me burst down Elite packs better. Current Crusader is underpowered due to the long CD, bad wrath regen and bad spender's damage. If they fix any of the 2, then I'll start playing IAS and healing. For now, toughness + CDR wins Elites.


i'm also beginning to wonder that i should. hotl doesn't seem to be affected by attack speed, and i pretty much use that and heaven's fury.

QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Mar 31 2014, 10:13 AM)
3. Yes, that means your shield is originally 18% Block chance, rolled a +11% which makes it 29%.
thx for clearing that up, now i know for sure smile.gif

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Try increase Holy Dmg % on gear. IAS doesn't benefit all skills.
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my chick crusader still stuck at lvl 23... damn too slow..


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what are the most important attributes on a gear for crus iirc for def you said something like All resist > armor > hp

what about offensive?
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what are the most important attributes on a gear for crus iirc for def you said something like All resist > armor > hp

what about offensive?
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what wrath generator is the best ? do u guys go with fast attack speed for fast wrath generation ?
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 31 2014, 02:17 AM)
attack speed alarmingly LOW !! FIX ASAP!

chc seems alrite not too urgent. but always if you can cram in more chc to hit 50 or 55, then nice.

CHD kinda low ....
ur chest and pants should have sockets.... 3 on chest, 2 on pants. Best stats is strength, vit, ares, and the sockets.....  a nice white armor is also good. extras after that e.g armor, special legendary is just icing on the cake.

anyway once u socket use the diamond gems to get your ares up. you should be able to then hit 1100-1200 ares easy.

your armor seems fine.

block chance 12 is very low .... a good shield block is normall 29 and above. with the +11 block as well.
533k hp is good but maybe you are sacrificing too much dps potential for unecessarily high hp. i'm 380 hp and doing fine.
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Thanks for the advise! biggrin.gif Yeah, I agreed, socket armor/items are preferable, but unfortunate was not able to find any with good stats. My DPS damn low. Can tank well in torment 1 and 2, but dps is really problematic. Thank again for the advise thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Mar 31 2014, 12:27 PM)
what wrath generator is the best ? do u guys go with fast attack speed for fast wrath generation ?
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None. That's how bad the crusader resource management currently is. Best bet would be slash + zeal rune because IAS 1% for 3 seconds for each mob attacked and max 5 stacks. If u hit more than 2 mobs at once, you can easily get some 10-15% IAS buff at 5 stack. Which makes u generate faster. Problem is, it's melee range. And without 30% dmg reduction, crusader needs very high toughness to be able to stand and hit for long.
We're talking about Champion or Elite packs of T2 and above.
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got my crusader to 56 last night... i import over a lvl 70 spear and shield when i was lvl 46... it helped alot. smile.gif

from what i play so far, the crusader is kinda dull. hope they get better at lvl 70. i do like falling sword skill tho.

so any idea if crusader is gonna get 30% damage reduction like barb and monk in a future patch?

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QUOTE(retsmot @ Mar 31 2014, 02:52 PM)
got my crusader to 56 last night... i import over a lvl 70 spear and shield when i was lvl 46... it helped alot. smile.gif

from what i play so far, the crusader is kinda dull. hope they get better at lvl 70. i do like falling sword skill tho.

so any idea if crusader is gonna get 30% damage reduction like barb and monk in a future patch?
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Crusader is dull? Ok lar. Feel very much like Paladin. I am still at lvl30 though. Maybe I will feel dull later on. Shi hi hi hi hi.
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QUOTE(MonkeyDLuffy @ Mar 31 2014, 03:21 PM)
Crusader is dull? Ok lar. Feel very much like Paladin. I am still at lvl30 though. Maybe I will feel dull later on. Shi hi hi hi hi.
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dull coz i not getting lvl 70 loot maybe. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(retsmot @ Mar 31 2014, 02:52 PM)
got my crusader to 56 last night... i import over a lvl 70 spear and shield when i was lvl 46... it helped alot. smile.gif

from what i play so far, the crusader is kinda dull. hope they get better at lvl 70. i do like falling sword skill tho.

so any idea if crusader is gonna get 30% damage reduction like barb and monk in a future patch?
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The dull part I can see is the long duration of CD for high damage skills AND the wonderful movement speed if you use the 2h passive skill.

So, I just use lesser CD skills and 1h weapon instead smile.gif Actually lotsa fun once you have higher damage. All characters are fun when you have higher damage.
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QUOTE(retsmot @ Mar 31 2014, 02:52 PM)
got my crusader to 56 last night... i import over a lvl 70 spear and shield when i was lvl 46... it helped alot. smile.gif

from what i play so far, the crusader is kinda dull. hope they get better at lvl 70. i do like falling sword skill tho.

so any idea if crusader is gonna get 30% damage reduction like barb and monk in a future patch?
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Crusader aren't getting innate 30% damage reduction. This class has high block rate.

30% damage reduction + high block rate = hax
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Crusader suppose need to have 30% damage mitigation like Monk and barb, yes i agree with shield will buff a lot of defensive abilities, but you cant block arcane, molten, plague and poison all that esp when you encounter elite with such abilities, pls blizz pls fix the tankinees of the crusaders , between i play crusader since d3x launch, tbh crusader is quite gear dependent to be good because of their high resource cost skill and long cool down always affect their abilities.



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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Mar 31 2014, 11:20 AM)
+ Elemental dmg % (Will not make u have big numbers on paper, but when u start hitting u can laugh at wizards)
CD, CC
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QUOTE(Ahlok @ Mar 31 2014, 11:22 PM)
hi, sir, can post your profile link?

wanna learn how to improve my char.  thumbup.gif notworthy.gif

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Changed my build last night because I decide to opt for 1H instead. Lost a ton of sheet dps but attacks much faster and crits close to before and doesn't get slowed down by heavenly strength.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Xyreon-6190/hero/44156441

Profile doesn't show rerolls, which you should prolly already know by now. I rerolled around 3 items with CDR for fast cooldowns. And others are CC and CD. My sheet dps goes down a lot but still dealing almost same damage as last time and hits much faster because of 1H skycutter : 19% added to holy damage. But I lost around 1k VIT which was on previous weapon. I decide to do the switch because I wanted to try how good is wrath generation in 1h.
I can't T3 now, I die too easily. Even some T2 packs I'm finding it hard. But I'm more than enough for T1, which is what I'm currently farming and I only play with the same groups of 4 every night.
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here my crusader..but sadly mine lvl 42..huu..can anyone help me to make my hero stronger..some advice for item or anything..

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QUOTE(Son of Sparda @ Apr 1 2014, 11:09 AM)
here my crusader..but sadly mine lvl 42..huu..can anyone help me to make my hero stronger..some  advice for item or anything..

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/TheDON-1718/hero/44567176
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Focus on leveling up, you won't wanna theorycraft without being lv70 anyway.
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still wish to try this build , altho others says already nerf but i think still work but not as strong as the video showing below maybe hmm.gif hmm.gif

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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 1 2014, 11:33 AM)
Focus on leveling up, you won't wanna theorycraft without being lv70 anyway.
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QUOTE(Son of Sparda @ Apr 1 2014, 12:05 PM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thanks bro for the advice..i think i had to leveling my crusader..hmm
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Seeing as it's the highest level char of yours, you might wanna take things slower and also try to earn more money as priority. High level gems are pain in the ass.

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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 1 2014, 01:20 PM)
Seeing as it's the highest level char of yours, you might wanna put on your green jew gold on your helm to try earn more money as priority. High level gems are pain in the ass.
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Fix'ed
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How much does that help? If it helps all that much, I might ask my friend to switch his area dmg to gold find. Because he's down to around 700k.
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loving my level 70 crusader...can breeze through torment 1-2, torment 3 takes alil longer time not worth for farming
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mine in expert mode..lol..always died so i've change to hard..

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QUOTE(Phonzy @ Apr 1 2014, 03:14 PM)
loving my level 70 crusader...can breeze through torment 1-2, torment 3 takes alil longer time not worth for farming
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my build can only work if you have Fell of the Fate....its the crazy heaven fury build....15m-30m damage per blast
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QUOTE(Phonzy @ Apr 1 2014, 05:36 PM)
my build can only work if you have Fell of the Fate....its the crazy heaven fury build....15m-30m damage per blast
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If that flail drops for me, gonna play this build and not looking back. Re-rolling all my CDR to Resource Reduction/+holy dmg, and win game.
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wat u guys think if Fell Of the Fate pair with EBERLI CHARO shield ?
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Awesome, with around 35% cooldown reduction it will be perma uptime. Lol
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I'm also hoping for that loot. I have the shield already.
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Yeap a lot of people thought the build sucks. It's good, coz all 3 heaven fury beans can hit the same target. Just make ur crit chance 40% and up. Crit damage 300% and up. U will face roll anything. Ignore damage, mine is only 400k, my melee attack crits for only 1 mil but my heaven fury is critting 15m per beam. U do not need the shield, u are better off with a gold shield that gives u crit chance and heaven fury damage.

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hi guys, so fate of the fell seems is a core item.

any efficient way to farm?

i understand luck play a important factor...

so do u think i can get it from farming adventure and kahala gambling at normal level?

or u will only able to get it at T1?

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there are different ways of playing crusader.

i saw a 2handed weapon that made slash generate more wrath per monster it hits with the slash attacks.

so though 2handed maybe that legendary affix will help the wrath generation, so you can maintain wrath spender spams like fist of the heaven or some other nuking ability that uses wrath.


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Just to share, this is probably the most nice offensive pally shield
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it's not crusader shield but it may as well be.


And justice lantern isn't totally fail as we had initially thought. You can fix this one up to be chd with chc nod.gif that is acceptable. Just wish though that vit was str hmm.gif

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i got that shield and ware it on my crusader..
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 2 2014, 02:15 PM)
Just to share, this is probably the most nice offensive pally shield
user posted image

it's not crusader shield but it may as well be.
And justice lantern isn't totally fail as we had initially thought. You can fix this one up to be chd with chc  nod.gif  that is acceptable. Just wish though that vit was str  hmm.gif

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Mine doesnt give chd though
Although it came up with +life per hit which was reroll'ed

Also anyone crafted this yet?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/artisan/blacksm...he-helm-of-rule
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right now testing thorn build on my female crusader.

i suspect if i can get the thorn set helm, i can then use 2 set items

- thorn set
- asheara set
- the bounty bracer with 1000% thorn chance dmg whenever enemies hit me

the demon set bonus for fire 4k dmg is probably better for a thorn build, but i just wanted to use asheara's for fun.

anyways i have around 15k thorn damage with my current gear. so if that bracer were to proc, that would be multiplicative 1000% which would be 15 million damage.


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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 2 2014, 11:02 PM)
right now testing thorn build on my female crusader.

i suspect if i can get the thorn set helm, i can then use 2 set items

- thorn set
- asheara set
- the bounty bracer with 1000% thorn chance dmg whenever enemies hit me

the demon set bonus for fire 4k dmg is probably better for a thorn build, but i just wanted to use asheara's for fun.

anyways i have around 15k thorn damage with my current gear. so if that bracer were to proc, that would be multiplicative 1000% which would be 15 million damage.
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Theres a 1 hand axe called hack which gives 90% thorn dmg on all your attacks
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QUOTE(olman @ Apr 2 2014, 11:36 PM)
Theres a 1 hand axe called hack which gives 90% thorn dmg on all your attacks
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i got that but mine was a lower roll :/


Anyways i was messing around with thorns but couldn't quite get it to work well. maybe i'm missing the thorn helm to complete the set, and maybe some other things.

Even without the complete build, i can already see this sort of build being where you stand still, let yourself get hit...... even with the hack..... you'll still be doing this .... it's annoying rolleyes.gif


Anyway i used my main male crusader and rebuilt him by swapping in the asheara set pants and boots. This gave me the set bonus for increased all resistance. The boots also had all res which my previous ones didn't, and also max ms. This then did 2 things for me

1. use 2 less para point for hitting 25ms
2. allowed me to swap in 2 max level strength gems to replaces the all resistance gems.

The result is, i do more damage now, and i can tank better.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 3 2014, 02:51 AM)
i got that but mine was a lower roll :/
Anyways i was messing around with thorns but couldn't quite get it to work well. maybe i'm missing the thorn helm to complete the set, and maybe some other things.

Even without the complete build, i can already see this sort of build being where you stand still, let yourself get hit...... even with the hack..... you'll still be doing this .... it's annoying  rolleyes.gif
Anyway i used my main male crusader and rebuilt him by swapping in the asheara set pants and boots. This gave me the set bonus for increased all resistance. The boots also had all res which my previous ones didn't, and also max ms. This then did 2 things for me

1. use 2 less para point for hitting 25ms
2. allowed me to swap in 2 max level strength gems to replaces the all resistance gems.

The result is, i do more damage now, and i can tank better.

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is the mempo the new ones or old , cos old ones seems to be useless in RoS hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 3 2014, 02:51 AM)
i got that but mine was a lower roll :/
Anyways i was messing around with thorns but couldn't quite get it to work well. maybe i'm missing the thorn helm to complete the set, and maybe some other things.

Even without the complete build, i can already see this sort of build being where you stand still, let yourself get hit...... even with the hack..... you'll still be doing this .... it's annoying  rolleyes.gif
Anyway i used my main male crusader and rebuilt him by swapping in the asheara set pants and boots. This gave me the set bonus for increased all resistance. The boots also had all res which my previous ones didn't, and also max ms. This then did 2 things for me

1. use 2 less para point for hitting 25ms
2. allowed me to swap in 2 max level strength gems to replaces the all resistance gems.

The result is, i do more damage now, and i can tank better.

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u have a kick ass set bro. how long did it take u to farm this?
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Fate of the Fell dropped for me last night. But got a bad roll on it. sad.gif
Was thinking to make 1 of the attribute into socket. Which one should I choose? Vit or Life per wrath spend?
Or just use back my current weapon?
I did use Heaven Fury's a lot on my current build

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u have a kick ass set bro. how long did it take u to farm this?
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My first legs in ros was the amulets. So i got the shakos (2/3 tri) and leoric (trifecta) first.

i think the fate of fell was then my next drop. Got extremely lucky getting this soon nod.gif of course it could be better if i could have it as holy damage and to get a higher weapon dps roll.

The mempos was next. Also very lucky. seems to be bis, unless you can get a mempos with same primary stats but with 5 primary affixes, so you could have chc without having to lose the socket.

someone found the chaing mail i am using. they wanted to brim IT !! so i told them to trade with me instead, so i rescued it biggrin.gif lol

then i started doing bounties starting from act1 to get the grandeur royalty ring (2/3 tri), king leoric shoulders.

then act 2 bounties. New boots.

act 5 bounties, new shield.

did manglemaw t6 runs, got thorn set pieces (which i use the shoulders atm). as well as my soj and unity dps rings.

Found some plans, and crafted asheara's pant and boots. I wanted to try a trifecta craft but not lucky.

replaced my magifist trifecta for a yellow trifecta glove.

i'm still using the legacy lacuni (bracer) and witchin hour (belt) because one has chc with as on it, whereas the other has chd with as. There are alternatives with chc and as on them but not easy to get. For the ms you can shift that to paragorn points, as you can get back the strength from the bracer. But the belt is very hard to use a newer one because most of them don't even have as with chd. So unless it's a lv 70 whd i doubt i would be upgrading belt anytime soon.

anyway around 1-2 weeks farm i guess.
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 3 2014, 12:08 PM)
Fate of the Fell dropped for me last night. But got a bad roll on it. sad.gif
Was thinking to make 1 of the attribute into socket. Which one should I choose? Vit or Life per wrath spend?
Or just use back my current weapon?
I did use Heaven Fury's a lot on my current build

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replace life per wrath for a socket.

add in a max chd gem then compare the damage between the 2.
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By the way if people are wondering how i am able to drop 2 all res gems from pants and use strength gems instead, it's because my new boots has all res in them.

Also the pant and boot set combination gives me another 100 ares. So this allowed me to do that.

But to further boost my dps for heavens fury, i could find a boot similar to mine, but reroll out movement speed for boosting heavens fury/holy damage.

the movement speed stat would be regained through paragorn points.

i also switched shield to one that replaced all res for a chc instead. I think this is the route crusaders should go, because 10chc will help you get a higher dps. it's worth losing the 100 ares for that. as long as you can make up for it elsewhere to stay above 1100 ares.


So now i do 1mil+ dps on white sheet. and much more when i'm actually fighting laugh.gif

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Issues:

1. weapon = fire dmg
2. fist of the heaven = lightning dmg
3. heavens fury = holy dmg

sad.gif very hard to make full use of a elemental damage boost when your gear and skills are varied in elemental damage types. The most i could have hoped for is concerting weapon to holy damage, to make the most ouf of a "increase holy damage by 10-20 %" modifier. alas sweat.gif

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btw guys, how awesome is Crusader compare to Barb?

was thinking to build one and named it Brazzers Knight
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 3 2014, 12:08 PM)
Fate of the Fell dropped for me last night. But got a bad roll on it. sad.gif
Was thinking to make 1 of the attribute into socket. Which one should I choose? Vit or Life per wrath spend?
Or just use back my current weapon?
I did use Heaven Fury's a lot on my current build

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wow that flail.. im wanted this skill imba heaven fury's

congratzz rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(faheem @ Apr 3 2014, 02:59 PM)
wow that flail.. im wanted this skill imba heaven fury's

congratzz  rclxms.gif
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Thank. Was running T1 just to try out new build. Drop off from some trash mob.
Too bad no socket and lower dps than my current 2H. Will try reroll Life per wrath to a socket.
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another possible build is a fire spec crusader using blessed hammer and consecrate hmm.gif seemed interesting seeing someone else use that. they were using bombardment as their nuke.

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cry.gif cry.gif i'm so jeles with u guys..sigh..my crusader still need to lvling..
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 3 2014, 03:13 PM)
Thank. Was running T1 just to try out new build. Drop off from some trash mob.
Too bad no socket and lower dps than my current 2H. Will try reroll Life per wrath to a socket.
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u can try heaven's fury rune fires of heaven.. this skill so imba drool.gif drool.gif
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i just found a leoric signet (found another yesterday as well but was dex)

I'm unsure though if i want to replace the vit or the all resistance to make way for CHD
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I also found a new andariels helm which seems strong if i add in chc for ubers.
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the mempo's is my farming helm with socket for exp
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Anyway regarding the leoric ring, i was checking on vit and all resistance...

gear i most likely won't have all res on is
- glove (trifecta duh)
- bracer (not holding my breath here. cauz i want str chc, as. and usually i aim for vit here rather than ares usually. anything after that is usually icing)
- shield (making room for chc 10)
- rings (trifecta rings. so not normally all res here)


also my gems currently are
- chest (3 diamond max gems)
- pants (2 ruby max gems)


my stats are as such.... *keep in mind a ring is unequiped, and the boot is lv 60...
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the reason i did that, is because in the future i most probably will be using a different set e.g. akarat's or other, and they may not have that all resist bonus. So have to disable it first.

Armor i don't think is that big an issue, because obviously i'll be having str with a ring and better boots. i put in a lv 70 boot and the leoric ring, the str stat makes my armor 14608 which is 80.67% dmg reduction.

For all resistance the 1020 is 74.46% spell dmg reduction





So the question is, is my hp pool high enough ? and is all resistance good enough for torment 6 ? and what about the resistance cap ? Seeing as there is diminishing returns the higher your ares gets, so what is the ares needed to do t6 ? as well as the expected hp ?



Another consideration, if i get all res on leorics, i may be able to replace a diamond gem 78 ares in chest (barely) for a max strength gem 280.

the general consensus in regards to ar and armor ratios for damage mitigation seems to be that for every 1000 armor you should have 1 ares. so if i have 14k armor, then i need 1400 ares for me to achieve a more efficient damage mitigation stat.

While that sort of guideline is good, it doesn't take into account that str not only adds in armor, it also helps your dps. so the question remains, is it worth getting the strength for more damage ? or getting the ares closer to the sweet spot in my example 1400 ish ares ?

so any opinions ?


PS: some insight into how the armor and all resistance mechanism works in damage mitigation
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QUOTE(faheem @ Apr 4 2014, 09:45 AM)
u can try heaven's fury rune fires of heaven.. this skill so imba drool.gif  drool.gif
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Ya. Tried that. Crit 3.8-4mil. A bit low.
My Fell of the fate dps is just too low. Will not use it at this moment sad.gif
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Finally breached 1m dps lol, but i still massively lack utility

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My helm, shield, and bracer came from Kadala lol.

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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 4 2014, 01:27 PM)
Finally breached 1m dps lol, but i still massively lack utility

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My helm, shield, and bracer came from Kadala lol.
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gratz.

also just wondering whats your ares and armor at ? hmm.gif


This is me now with my new leoric's ring. I in the end chose to keep vitality, and instead replace all res. I rolled an attack speed and stop there.

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The details lol

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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 4 2014, 01:34 PM)
The details lol

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ah i c thx. more or less same then defensively smile.gif

i think i can boost my damage if i use my yellow trifectas, but meh rolleyes.gif


are you using any ares on your shield ?

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Can't argue with bonus experience and triple fury lol

Just Str, Vit, CC & Block% oh shield

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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Apr 2 2014, 03:15 PM)
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Mine doesnt give chd though
Although it came up with +life per hit which was reroll'ed

Also anyone crafted this yet?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/artisan/blacksm...he-helm-of-rule
11% block chance helm with other random stats
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Just got the helm of rule plan and crafted it last night. Lost 6% cc, but going to reroll Vit to cc when I have FS. Sitting at 56% block now.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 2 2014, 11:02 PM)
right now testing thorn build on my female crusader.

i suspect if i can get the thorn set helm, i can then use 2 set items

- thorn set
- asheara set
- the bounty bracer with 1000% thorn chance dmg whenever enemies hit me

the demon set bonus for fire 4k dmg is probably better for a thorn build, but i just wanted to use asheara's for fun.

anyways i have around 15k thorn damage with my current gear. so if that bracer were to proc, that would be multiplicative 1000% which would be 15 million damage.
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i think this ones fit in to your thorn build ? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/sanguinary-vambraces-1385JU
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i think this ones fit in to your thorn build ? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/sanguinary-vambraces-1385JU
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- the bounty bracer with 1000% thorn chance dmg whenever enemies hit me

he IS talking about that.
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- the bounty bracer with 1000% thorn chance dmg whenever enemies hit me

he IS talking about that.
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i saw gh0sty in the DH forums post so i check his link http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/CrankyM...2/hero/31977661 and found it's on him so i was like tot is a different ones because i din know it's a bounty bracer coz it's name is difference hmm.gif hmm.gif
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guys, just being a devil's advocate here. but, honestly, why is everyone so focused on DPS as a crusader? Is that the way to go? People are judging me based on my 400k dps, but when I blast out my 40% crit chance and 500% crit damage + fate of the fell + heaven fury...i'm doing 15-16m crit per beam!

they are like, what are you doing in torment 3? ur dps is shit. but, i have no problem facerolling t3....

am i doing something wrong here?

is DPS really important for crusaders when majority of your damage are Holy or a certain spell (which you can roll/gamble) ? at the end of the day, i don't care about my melee, i'm just generating wrath to blast my heaven's fury,

pls correct me if i'm wrong ya coz we are all here to LEARN

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 3 2014, 12:15 PM)
By the way if people are wondering how i am able to drop 2 all res gems from pants and use strength gems instead, it's because my new boots has all res in them.

Also the pant and boot set combination gives me another 100 ares. So this allowed me to do that.

But to further boost my dps for heavens fury, i could find a boot similar to mine, but reroll out movement speed for boosting heavens fury/holy damage.

the movement speed stat would be regained through paragorn points.

i also switched shield to one that replaced all res for a chc instead. I think this is the route crusaders should go, because 10chc will help you get a higher dps. it's worth losing the 100 ares for that. as long as you can make up for it elsewhere to stay above 1100 ares.
So now i do 1mil+ dps on white sheet. and much more when i'm actually fighting  laugh.gif

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Issues:

1. weapon = fire dmg
2. fist of the heaven = lightning dmg
3. heavens fury = holy dmg

sad.gif  very hard to make full use of a elemental damage boost when your gear and skills are varied in elemental damage types. The most i could have hoped for is concerting weapon to holy damage, to make the most ouf of a "increase holy damage by 10-20 %" modifier. alas  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 4 2014, 12:14 PM)
Ya. Tried that. Crit 3.8-4mil. A bit low.
My Fell of the fate dps is just too low. Will not use it at this moment sad.gif
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QUOTE(Phonzy @ Apr 4 2014, 04:02 PM)
guys, just being a devil's advocate here. but, honestly, why is everyone so focused on DPS as a crusader? Is that the way to go? People are judging me based on my 400k dps, but when I blast out my 40% crit chance and 500% crit damage + fate of the fell + heaven fury...i'm doing 15-16m crit per beam!

they are like, what are you doing in torment 3? ur dps is shit. but, i have no problem facerolling t3....

am i doing something wrong here?

is DPS really important for crusaders when majority of your damage are Holy or a certain spell (which you can roll/gamble) ? at the end of the day, i don't care about my melee, i'm just generating wrath to blast my heaven's fury,

pls correct me if i'm wrong ya coz we are all here to LEARN
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It's simple really, to get utility you need very specific legendaries. And the RNG masters has not seen it fit to give me fate of the fell or other unique items which I can build my character upon.
As for rolling non-holy damage affix, that's because my gears are common to both my barb and crusader and holy is worthless to a barb. I'm also collecting legendary mats for crafting but you know how random those are...

Nobody here is judging your 400k dps so why are you judging us posting our pics posted for fun eh? tongue.gif



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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 4 2014, 05:30 PM)
It's simple really, to get utility you need very specific legendaries. And the RNG masters has not seen it fit to give me fate of the fell or other unique items which I can build my character upon.
As for rolling non-holy damage affix, that's because my gears are common to both my barb and crusader and holy is worthless to a barb. I'm also collecting legendary mats for crafting but you know how random those are...

Nobody here is judging your 400k dps so why are you judging us posting our pics posted for fun eh? tongue.gif
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i'm trying to learn you guys. LYN is my home for everything and i seek here for advice!!!

sorry i typed it in a "monotonous" or defensive manner to make anyone feel offended but that's not my objective, really.

i was honestly asking a question! haha
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So after some criticism
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what else am i missing other than phat loot
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Finally lvl70... now need to farm gears smile.gif
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QUOTE(bobohead1988 @ Apr 4 2014, 10:13 PM)
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a while back for quick gear up farms, people were doing the following

1. manglemaw t6
2. core of arreat demonic chests
3. bounties in normal, split team do objectives individually (open many saved bounty caches in t6 for imperial gems)
4. rifting t1
5. other secret methods not publicaly known
6. using rift shards max 500 at any one time, to gamble on gear


these usually were the best ways to gear up. some were nerfed, or going to be nerfed. some got a slight buff like kadala.

your issue seems to be lack of farm, cause it should be raining legs hmm.gif so maybe your farming the less effective places or something, cause should have more then this. Nice shoulders by the way nod.gif

so some of the people you see didn't necessarily play as much, but they knew the good spots and got leg drops very fast, and this was how they became so op so soon .... but blizzard has been busy closing these loop holes, so you better be quick as soon as you found one of these things smile.gif



by the way how did you reach 61 block ? (the cap is 75).

I notice that your using the justice lantern ring. Not sure how your build works, but i'm using rings more oriented toward a trifecta, rather than block, and i probably do more damage. So if you replace ring for trifecta you can tighten up your chc and chd values to get higher dps output.

chd =
- witchin hour belt 50%
- rings (50% each)
weapon 130%)
- gloves 50%

increased block gear options
- justice lantern *usually weak dps
- helm of command *it's called something different for the lv 70 version, but has block in it. But not attack speed. Maybe it's alright to lose attack speed here, and get it elsewhere from maybe a set item bonus like cain's or other ?
- shield


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Damn jelly u palladins much armor
Such dps

wow

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QUOTE(olman @ Apr 5 2014, 09:12 AM)
Damn jelly u palladins much armor
Such dps

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 5 2014, 08:26 AM)
your issue seems to be lack of farm, cause it should be raining legs  hmm.gif  so maybe your farming the less effective places or something, cause should have more then this. Nice shoulders by the way  nod.gif

I notice that your using the justice lantern ring. Not sure how your build works, but i'm using rings more oriented toward a trifecta, rather than block, and i probably do more damage. So if you replace ring for trifecta you can tighten up your chc and chd values to get higher dps output.

chd =
- witchin hour belt 50%
- rings (50% each)
weapon 130%)
- gloves 50%

increased block gear options
- justice lantern *usually weak dps
- helm of command *it's called something different for the lv 70 version, but has block in it. But not attack speed. Maybe it's alright to lose attack speed here, and get it elsewhere from maybe a set item bonus like cain's or other ?
- shield
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Now concentrating on rifting as 25% more leg drop / or doing act 5 bounty to get the salvation healing shield
Hence why my block is so high, gearing up for that shield
Also abusing Renewal passive as well
And abusing shield bash's blockrate bonus damage

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Shield - 30%
Ring - 16%
passive - 15%

Punish - 15%
I saw it register as 76% block but im guessing its just numbers, not showing real hard cap

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QUOTE(Phonzy @ Apr 4 2014, 04:02 PM)
guys, just being a devil's advocate here. but, honestly, why is everyone so focused on DPS as a crusader? Is that the way to go? People are judging me based on my 400k dps, but when I blast out my 40% crit chance and 500% crit damage + fate of the fell + heaven fury...i'm doing 15-16m crit per beam!

they are like, what are you doing in torment 3? ur dps is shit. but, i have no problem facerolling t3....

am i doing something wrong here?

is DPS really important for crusaders when majority of your damage are Holy or a certain spell (which you can roll/gamble) ? at the end of the day, i don't care about my melee, i'm just generating wrath to blast my heaven's fury,

pls correct me if i'm wrong ya coz we are all here to LEARN
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Perhaps they expect you to have 1m DPS + 3 beams + 100% skill buff + 40% additional damage against elites?

Nothing wrong to have more DPS.
Yes, it's important. And you know I don't refer to paper DPS.

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QUOTE(faheem @ Apr 4 2014, 04:59 PM)
u need to push ur CC.. im now at 550k dps.. those crit easyly 8-10Mill
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How to u ppl get more than 1 Utility or Conviction Skills ?
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How to u ppl get more than 1 Utility or Conviction Skills ?
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thanks bro, does this effect anything like exp gain ?
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QUOTE(ForCe @ Apr 6 2014, 03:14 PM)
thanks bro, does this effect anything like exp gain ?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 6 2014, 12:41 PM)
Perhaps they expect you to have 1m DPS + 3 beams + 100% skill buff + 40% additional damage against elites?

Nothing wrong to have more DPS.
Yes, it's important. And you know I don't refer to paper DPS.
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if we play crusader as tank, then we'd need something like provoke to be more effective at grabbing aggro to tank ....

when i try stay ahead of the group, the mobs most the time will also run by me to reach the other ranged members ...... so my choice here is to either stunlock to prevent that, or to use provoke .....

so that would be the role of a crusader....... nobody expects much from us, other than adding that itsy bitsy damage, or the small task of tanking as best as we can..... and that is downright disappointing.

Maybe it's a build we haven't figured out yet, but from what i'm seeing we just aren't pulling the numbers that classes the barbarians are doing.



Maybe this isn't too apparent in the lower torment levels. but having played t3 and t4, my dps is less by far compared to the damage dealers in the group cry.gif so if dps is not what i'm contributing the most, i'm filling the role as a tank to take the hits every chance i get and stunlock (shako clones), and add some damage with my heavens fury and hope that does a little damage to kill the weaker creeps rolleyes.gif my law buff to speed up attacks also helps the team, along the passive it does.

but if your hoping a crusader can take the role of a main damage dealer in your group, this most likely is not gonna happen sad.gif

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 6 2014, 10:25 PM)
if we play crusader as tank, then we'd need something like provoke to be more effective at grabbing aggro to tank ....

when i try stay ahead of the group, the mobs most the time will also run by me to reach the other ranged members ...... so my choice here is to either stunlock to prevent that, or to use provoke .....

so that would be the role of a crusader....... nobody expects much from us, other than adding that itsy bitsy damage, or the small task of tanking as best as we can..... and that is downright disappointing.

Maybe it's a build we haven't figured out yet, but from what i'm seeing we just aren't pulling the numbers that classes the barbarians are doing.
Maybe this isn't too apparent in the lower torment levels. but having played t3 and t4, my dps is less by far compared to the damage dealers in the group  cry.gif so if dps is not what i'm contributing the most, i'm filling the role as a tank to take the hits every chance i get and stunlock (shako clones), and add some damage with my heavens fury and hope that does a little damage to kill the weaker creeps  rolleyes.gif  my law buff to speed up attacks also helps the team, along the passive it does.

but if your hoping a crusader can take the role of a main damage dealer in your group, this most likely is not gonna happen  sad.gif
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imo, crusader stated dps and toughness divide by 2 = equivalent dps and toughness for other classes.
that's how it feels like for me anyway.

there is an effective build out there which is used by Aureus which requires
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/gyrfalcons-foote
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/jekangbord

Hurl your shield, dealing 280% weapon damage plus 250% of shield Block Chance as damage. The shield will ricochet to 3 nearby enemies.
Blessed Shield ricochets to 4–6 additional enemies.

It's 1H, solves the MS problem
It's 0 cost now, solves the wrath problem
It hits up to 9 enemies at range, mostly solves the move to target/not enough trash mob clearing capabilities of the other crusader primaries
It does more damage too

The other viable build is the thorns/reflect based build.


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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 6 2014, 11:59 PM)
imo, crusader stated dps and toughness divide by 2 = equivalent dps and toughness for other classes.
that's how it feels like for me anyway.

there is an effective build out there which is used by Aureus which requires
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/gyrfalcons-foote
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/jekangbord

Hurl your shield, dealing 280% weapon damage plus 250% of shield Block Chance as damage. The shield will ricochet to 3 nearby enemies.
Blessed Shield ricochets to 4–6 additional enemies.

It's 1H, solves the MS problem
It's 0 cost now, solves the wrath problem
It hits up to 9 enemies at range, mostly solves the move to target/not enough trash mob clearing capabilities of the other crusader primaries
It does more damage too

The other viable build is the thorns/reflect based build.
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a while ago some guy discovered using thorns on ghoms cloud or other similar poison spells to reflect back and he did like 40 million dmg per sec.


This was later then fixed cry.gif lulz


interesting blessed hammer build

seems to be doing about same damage as me, but whats interesting is the attack speed of his attacks which over time seems to hit faster and do much more accumulative damage. the only down side seems to be no stead, and the heavens fury 1 beam seems kinda pathethic now. I actually have a blessed hammer 1 hander that gives my hammers the rune of dominion which lets hammers follow you as you move, meaning i can then use 2 runes.

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newbie crusader reporting in.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/bsl-6386/hero/45688451

noob question, why my movement speed is stagnant at 10% only?
also, what is the effective way to regenerate wrath quickly?
with my setup 600k+ dps & 8-9m toughness, i only can play at master, T1 is playable but took too long time to kill enemies.
i'm using condemn, heaven's fury & bombardment as main damage.
sometime switch from law of justice to law of valor (unstoppable force) however still keep run out of wrath quickly sad.gif

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QUOTE(dreaming @ Apr 7 2014, 10:11 AM)
newbie crusader reporting in.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/bsl-6386/hero/45688451

noob question, why my movement speed is stagnant at 10% only?
also, what is the effective way to regenerate wrath quickly?
with my setup 600k+ dps & 8-9m toughness, i only can play at master, T1 is playable but took too long time to kill enemies.
i'm using condemn, heaven's fury & bombardment as main damage.
sometime switch from law of justice to law of valor (unstoppable force) however still keep run out of wrath quickly sad.gif
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using 2-H and passive sure MS got capped bro...
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QUOTE(dreaming @ Apr 7 2014, 10:11 AM)
newbie crusader reporting in.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/bsl-6386/hero/45688451

noob question, why my movement speed is stagnant at 10% only?
also, what is the effective way to regenerate wrath quickly?
with my setup 600k+ dps & 8-9m toughness, i only can play at master, T1 is playable but took too long time to kill enemies.
i'm using condemn, heaven's fury & bombardment as main damage.
sometime switch from law of justice to law of valor (unstoppable force) however still keep run out of wrath quickly sad.gif
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hehe bro.. coz u wear 2 hand wep... that passive - ur max ms speed reduce by 15%

u can check my http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/faheem-1459/hero/44721947 skill

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QUOTE(faheem @ Apr 7 2014, 10:26 AM)
hehe bro.. coz u wear 2 hand wep... that passive - ur max ms speed reduce by 15%

u can check my http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/faheem-1459/hero/44721947 skill

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mlm nanti aku ikut.. Cru aku baru graduate smlm laugh.gif
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mlm nanti aku ikut.. Cru aku baru graduate smlm  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(faheem @ Apr 7 2014, 10:26 AM)
hehe bro.. coz u wear 2 hand wep... that passive - ur max ms speed reduce by 15%

u can check my http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/faheem-1459/hero/44721947 skill

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ic, but how to resolve wrath regen problem?
yesterday whole day crusader really feel no good leh..

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Apr 7 2014, 10:22 AM)
using 2-H and passive sure MS got capped bro...
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mana pegi?? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dreaming @ Apr 7 2014, 10:43 AM)
bro, longtime no see u online D3..
mana pegi??  biggrin.gif
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ic, but how to resolve wrath regen problem?
yesterday whole day crusader really feel no good leh..
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regen wrath every normal hit + shield glare (zelous glare) ini regen 9 wrath every enemy blinded..

so when on low wrath go to the group use condem (vacum) to suck mob then u blind a group mobs. more mob more wrath.

then spam fires of heaven.. 1 or 2 shotgun can kill white mob very fast.

+1 i have loot trag'oul coil bracer..
healing wells replenish all resources.. this for mine..

but we need to have other crusz opinion too.

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Crusader is the best class for now.
No other class can come close to Cru's burst damage, not even Wiz (meh, 20 secs burst damage but 120 sec cool down)
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 7 2014, 10:53 AM)
Crusader is the best class for now.
No other class can come close to Cru's burst damage, not even Wiz (meh, 20 secs burst damage but 120 sec cool down)
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i know it's not the best, but for me 40 mil from bombardment is whack: True story.

Can't imagine someone with mortal drama "Double the bombardment"
"80+ mil" *shudder*

Don't know why people whine about dps. it's not meant to play like a wizard. That's why there is a wizard class. I'd be damned if the crusader could output DPS like a wizard, yet have shield block, and burst AOE at the same time


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QUOTE(MightySmiter @ Apr 7 2014, 11:23 AM)
i know it's not the best, but for me 40 mil from bombardment is whack: True story.

Can't imagine someone with mortal drama "Double the bombardment"
"80+ mil" *shudder*

Don't know why people whine about dps. it's not meant to play like a wizard. That's why there is a wizard class. I'd be damned if the crusader could output DPS like a wizard, yet have shield block, and burst AOE at the same time
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Who whined about dps? We all have not enough dps. No?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 7 2014, 11:34 AM)
Who whined about dps? We all have not enough dps. No?
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Blizzard crusader forums la...hehe, never enough dps eh...

Oh hey Aleune, yesterday your barb keep doing that green thing, my bro actually didn't realize a set item dropped....only ran back after noticing a star on minimap lol sweat.gif
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QUOTE(MightySmiter @ Apr 7 2014, 11:58 AM)
Blizzard crusader forums la...hehe, never enough dps eh...

Oh hey Aleune, yesterday your barb keep doing that green thing, my bro actually didn't realize a set item dropped....only ran back after noticing a star on minimap lol sweat.gif
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It wasn't me. I didn't play co-op game with my barb yesterday.
I remembered I played solo to level my barb to lvl70.
Or was it me? Can't recall. laugh.gif

Seriously, burst damage of Crusader @ 40-50m is plain OP.
No class can do that. Most of the class can do like 5-10million, it is just lame as compared to Crusader.

Sigh... Witch Doctors need some love.
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Well, condemn is 1160% every 15 seconds

Impactful bombardment is 3320% every 60 seconds (40 seconds with passive)

That's additional 77% per seconds vs 55.3% (83% if you use passive)

I use condemn-vacuum as it synergizes better with my blessed hammer and is more sutainable. Can use it against big white mobs which you don't necessarily want to use bombardment for.

Also, using bombardment against ranged elites in an open area is annoying as they tend to spread out. lol
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i sometime switch my bombardment flail and 3' gun flail when facing 2 or 3 elite.. nice dmg output and fast kill
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sorry for whining for more dps >->;

if your so against why are you posting in a crusader thread ? i wonder if you even main class crus to begin with :/ so why don't you go back where you came from n troll from there rolleyes.gif

Anyhow..... i found this lil precious today.

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max values are

750 str, 7 attack speed, 50 chd, 10 chc.

So the stats on it is quite good for a set item no less. broke from trying to get 45% or more chd X_X:

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 7 2014, 12:13 PM)

Seriously, burst damage of Crusader @ 40-50m is plain OP.
got a youtube of this, including persons battletag ? hmm.gif

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Nice class set item.
Haven't found any set grinding T1 rift.
For regen problem, 1 of the solution is to farm Glove of Worship. Get the 1 hour Empower shrine. Love the buff too much.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 7 2014, 01:28 PM)
sorry for whining for more dps >->;

if your so against why are you posting in a crusader thread ? i wonder if you even main class crus to begin with :/ so why don't you go back where you came from n troll from there  rolleyes.gif


the thing in diablo 3 has no main class not like any other mmorpg you will play a main class , the RoS also design such ways not to limit paragon to specific classes so you can play other class to experiencing other class mechanics , i think you comment is slightly a bit rude towards our fellow forumers , it's always practice freedom of speech , no offence bro , just my 2 cents icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 7 2014, 01:37 PM)
Nice class set item.
Haven't found any set grinding T1 rift.
For regen problem, 1 of the solution is to farm Glove of Worship. Get the 1 hour Empower shrine. Love the buff too much.

My profile: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MikeSte...7/hero/43591679
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your gear set very similar to mine. chaingmail, asheara pants and boot (ares set bonus).

i strongly recommend you replace your rings asap. The cheapest fastest solution is yellow trifecta rings (usually converting a 2/3 into a trifecta).


That eye of etlich looks interesting for mitigating ranged damage. If only it had str, chc, chd with that lightning dmg increase, it would be awesome. Not sure if that is possible though.

You belt will your you till you find a witchin hour belt.

andariels is top 5 helm for crus. possibly even bis. it can be forgiven that you dropped ares, because the lightning dmg increase, chc, attack speed and strength are very nice here.


Your shoulders you can either replace the life% or armor for either all resistance or damage modifier. Probably want damage modifier i think.

for boots you want vit str, ares and a damage modifier. the ms you can get from paragorn points.


Your best piece is most likely your bracer. Str, chc, attack speed... i'm very jelly drool.gif


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QUOTE(huoshenfeng124 @ Apr 7 2014, 01:43 PM)
the thing in diablo 3 has no main class not like any other mmorpg you will play a main class , the RoS also design such ways not to limit paragon to specific classes so you can play other class to experiencing other class mechanics , i think you comment is slightly a bit rude towards our fellow forumers , it's always practice freedom of speech , no offence bro , just my 2 cents  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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so it's only okay for one side to ridicule others, but not vice versa? don't you think that is hypocritical of you ? shakehead.gif and please don't drag other forumers into this. my response is to 1 person only based on their specific comment, so please don't cr8 drama rolleyes.gif

as for dps i'm not expecting the best, seeing as we probably are most tanky. but i expect something close to 85% dps at least hmm.gif is that so wrong to ask ? god forbid.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 7 2014, 01:28 PM)
got a youtube of this, including persons battletag ?  hmm.gif
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He is our forum member. Guess he wants to stay low profile (Am I right?) since he didn't post in Crusader thread.

Been running many times in 4-player co-op game @ T3.
Killing 90% of elites at the T3 rift below 5 seconds in 4-player game. You can roughly know the damage per hit he can dish out.
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 7 2014, 01:28 PM)
sorry for whining for more dps >->;

if your so against why are you posting in a crusader thread ? i wonder if you even main class crus to begin with :/ so why don't you go back where you came from n troll from there  rolleyes.gif

got a youtube of this, including persons battletag ?  hmm.gif
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Clearly you don't understand what i'm trying to say. Then again maybe my fault for not being clear, so my apologies on that. Or perhaps every opinion is "trolling" to you....

You can whine for more dps, we all strive to get higher dps, but what i meant was i don't get why people compare it to a wizard or any other pure dps class for that matter. A crusader clearly isn't built to be a pure dps class.

Yeap, i main a crusader now. used to be barb, but gave it up since RoS.

oh FYI, in case you want to check out my battletag for whatever reason, here you go.

Mightymouse#2640

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 7 2014, 01:52 PM)
He is our forum member. Guess he wants to stay low profile (Am I right?) since he didn't post in Crusader thread.

Been running many times in 4-player co-op game @ T3.
Killing 90% of elites at the T3 rift below 5 seconds in 4-player game. You can roughly know the damage per hit he can dish out.
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wow i'm impressed drool.gif hope to learn from him nod.gif just need more info sadly....

I'm also t3 ing now. T4 is doable but i don't think group dps can do it as fast as doing t3s.

i can only begin to imagine what sort of gear it would take for t6..... and i always come back to 1 single conclusion what it would take....

grandeur royalty ring, using a mixture of more than 1 class set item sets shocking.gif

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my crusader is still on the way to lvl70..

may i know how to crusader survive?
i think crusader can easily hit high toughness..
but how to sustain?

life on hit? high regen? pls advice...
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QUOTE(MightySmiter @ Apr 7 2014, 01:54 PM)
Clearly you don't understand what i'm trying to say. Then again maybe my fault for not being clear, so my apologies on that. Or perhaps every opinion is "trolling" to you....

You can whine for more dps, we all strive to get higher dps, but what i meant was i don't get why people compare it to a wizard or any other pure dps class for that matter. A crusader clearly isn't built to be a pure dps class.

Yeap, i main a crusader now. used to be barb, but gave it up since RoS.
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i understand what you are saying and i do agree to some extent. and yes we can debate on the finer points, i welcome that.

but what i find fault is your wording that is rude to people who ask for more dmg (not necessarily op mind). That is my qualm with your comment, which you don't seem to get rolleyes.gif

so if you want a civil conversation, then word your comments better next time icon_rolleyes.gif


ok i'll check out your crus. oh and mine is moogle#6806 would appreciate some feedback if you have any. maybe it may help with my dps issues icon_idea.gif


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saw your build. you got the 3 main nuking skills

heavens fury (understandable because of your weapon), falling sword, and bombardment.

20 sec, 30, 60 sec cooldowns respectively.


so it seems your using those nukes, then while waiting your just slashing. It's nice to have those nukes, but i wonder though, isn't it better to replace one of them (in this case either fallen sword or bombardment) and pick out a lesser wrath spender like blessed hammer or fist of the heaven; or something else ?

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 7 2014, 01:55 PM)
wow i'm impressed  drool.gif  hope to learn from him  nod.gif  just need more info sadly....

I'm also t3 ing now. T4 is doable but i don't think group dps can do it as fast as doing t3s.

i can only begin to imagine what sort of gear it would take for t6..... and i always come back to 1 single conclusion what it would take....

grandeur royalty ring, using a mixture of more than 1 class set item sets  shocking.gif
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For T6, imo, DPS is not the biggest concern.
Toughness is.

I tested T6 with my wiz, 1m DPS & 20m toughness (8.5K armor / 2.5k AR).
No problem in killing. But it's damn pain hit by elites.

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For T6, imo, DPS is not the biggest concern.
Toughness is.

I tested T6 with my wiz, 1m DPS & 20m toughness (8.5K armor / 2.5k AR).
No problem in killing. But it's damn pain hit by elites.
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for crusader that makes sense. i probably be more of a team buffer that is tanky. lots of options here .....




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my crusader is still on the way to lvl70..

may i know how to crusader survive?
i think crusader can easily hit high toughness..
but how to sustain?

life on hit? high regen? pls advice...
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we got a passive where holy damage will heal us...... theres even a legendary potion with the affix increase life per second with a 30 second cooldown....(which i use).

another passive finery gives us str for each gem socket we have in our gear. as str = more armor = more mitigation + offensive dps.

Akarat's champion will prevent the first death blow and restore us back to full life. I prefer that compared to iron skin.

other gear stats to make us survivable are.....


armor = from str or the armor value from gear. mitigates all damage types.

all resistance = mitigates spell damage.

block = depends on chance to block to proc. Will reduce damage based on your block reduction value on shield. Max cap for block chance is 75%

dodge = crus don't even bother, because we don't stack dexterity enough to care about this. We even have a passive that removes the dodge mechanic, for an increased 15% block chance.

hp = your health points comes from a combination of vitality and life% to boost hp further.


life per hit = this is the life steal replacement. it's not as good as the old life steal, but it's all we got as a replacement.

life per second = use this in combination with lph.



there are other less reliable healing stats like..

-health orb heal bonuses
- life after kills




In summary aim for 350k + hp with 14k + armor, with 1100+ all resistance. This is good enough for torment 3 and 4.

The general rule is you want a 10:1 ratio for armor versus all resistance. Mine is 14xx : 11xx and i'm doing okay. I can usually get the remainder from monk buffs, so i'm not too worried about making it exactly 10:1 smile.gif


dmg mitigation is important but don't neglect your damage either.

my white sheet damage is 1.1m, with toughness of roughly 9.5m

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 7 2014, 01:49 PM)
your gear set very similar to mine. chaingmail, asheara pants and boot (ares set bonus).

i strongly recommend you replace your rings asap. The cheapest fastest solution is yellow trifecta rings (usually converting a 2/3 into a trifecta).
That eye of etlich looks interesting for mitigating ranged damage. If only it had str, chc, chd with that lightning dmg increase, it would be awesome. Not sure if that is possible though.

You belt will your you till you find a witchin hour belt.

andariels is top 5 helm for crus. possibly even bis. it can be forgiven that you dropped ares, because the lightning dmg increase, chc, attack speed and strength are very nice here.
Your shoulders you can either replace the life% or armor for either all resistance or damage modifier. Probably want damage modifier i think.

for boots you want vit str, ares and a damage modifier. the ms you can get from paragorn points.
Your best piece is most likely your bracer. Str, chc, attack speed... i'm very jelly  drool.gif
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Still finding good ring. With trifecta stat.
Eye of glitch are best among amulet I got. Should I reroll the life per hit to something else?

Not sure I want to reroll the Shoulder. Now at 600k dps, 10mil toughness, 1000ish All resist. With the Empower buff, clearing T1 seem very fast to me. Will continue grind for few days hope RNGod good to me. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 7 2014, 02:20 PM)
Still finding good ring. With trifecta stat.
Eye of glitch are best among amulet I got. Should I reroll the life per hit to something else?

Not sure I want to reroll the Shoulder. Now at 600k dps, 10mil toughness, 1000ish All resist. With the Empower buff, clearing T1 seem very fast to me. Will continue grind for few days hope RNGod good to me. biggrin.gif
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don't waste your time with t1. it's very fast for me now.

work your way up to t2 and t3 (once you get the gear of course)

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No love for cooldown reduction gear?
I'm aiming for Born's set once i get the -1 set ring

I already have the 10% bonus from captain's crimson
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 7 2014, 02:23 PM)
don't waste your time with t1. it's very fast for me now.

work your way up to t2 and t3 (once you get the gear of course)
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By the way, is +life after kill better than +life per hit? Especially clearing rift?
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No love for cooldown reduction gear?
I'm aiming for Born's set once i get the -1 set ring

I already have the 10% bonus from captain's crimson
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the akkhan set has cooldown reduction whenever using akarat's champion.

For me i got lots of paragorn points, so i can get reduction from there, rather than gear (other than akkhans because obviously i'm going to be wanting this).

so for my own build, the only thing with a cooldown to reduce is akarat's champion, and heavens fury. Both of which the akkhan set will reduce drool.gif

And there is a shield that can reduce heavens fury by as much as 50% !!! so this is why i'm not too strict on getting cooldown on pieces other than

1. akkhan set (set bonus)
2. paragorn points (aiming for para 600 to max this out)
3. shield (forgot the name of the shield, but it reduces heavens fury by 50%)
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Haha. Farming as efficient as I can to get gears.
By the way, is +life after kill better than +life per hit? Especially clearing rift?
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i prefer life per hit, because it still works the higher torment level you go (aka it scales better), compared to something like after kills (mobs get harder to kill in higher torment).

just do what i do.

1. use akarats champion
2. use a legendary potion (i like the one i'm using with 30k+ life per sec for 5 seconds)
3. horse (to unfreeze yourself to run away when your almost dying)
4. chaingmail (assuming your don't already have something else better. It can instant heal your when your really low)
5. use the passive holy cause (assuming your using holy spells of course)



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Blizzard just buff the crusader with their latest hotfix . much love biggrin.gif
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i didn't read yet..... watching game of thrones....

but i hope they do 3 things...

1. better wrath genetion (especially for 2handers)
2. higher dps, not necessarily better than other classes, but at least somewhere 85% of what other classes do using the same gear quality.
3. fix the block gear for the justice lantern ring. make it str, chc, chd with block, at least.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 7 2014, 02:17 PM)
for crusader that makes sense. i probably be more of a team buffer that is tanky. lots of options here .....
we got a passive where holy damage will heal us...... theres even a legendary potion with the affix increase life per second with a 30 second cooldown....(which i use).

another passive finery gives us str for each gem socket we have in our gear. as str = more armor = more mitigation + offensive dps.

Akarat's champion will prevent the first death blow and restore us back to full life. I prefer that compared to iron skin.

other gear stats to make us survivable are.....
armor = from str or the armor value from gear. mitigates all damage types.

all resistance = mitigates spell damage.

block = depends on chance to block to proc. Will reduce damage based on your block reduction value on shield. Max cap for block chance is 75%

dodge = crus don't even bother, because we don't stack dexterity enough to care about this. We even have a passive that removes the dodge mechanic, for an increased 15% block chance.

hp = your health points comes from a combination of vitality and life% to boost hp further.
life per hit = this is the life steal replacement. it's not as good as the old life steal, but it's all we got as a replacement.

life per second = use this in combination with lph.
there are other less reliable healing stats like..

-health orb heal bonuses
- life after kills
In summary aim for 350k + hp with 14k + armor, with 1100+ all resistance. This is good enough for torment 3 and 4.

The general rule is you want a 10:1 ratio for armor versus all resistance. Mine is 14xx : 11xx and i'm doing okay. I can usually get the remainder from monk buffs, so i'm not too worried about making it exactly 10:1  smile.gif
dmg mitigation is important but don't neglect your damage either.

my white sheet damage is 1.1m, with toughness of roughly 9.5m
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wooo very details explaination..
thanks a lot..

white sheet dmg 1.1M still able to get 9.5M toughness?
looks like the rumour is truee... (crusader = strongest)
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Manner cookies crusader guide..... i find it useful most part (in particular the graphics chart for what stats to get for gear)

He too is using heavens fury, but his build omits attack speed in favor of cool down reduction.

I'm doing this a little different, cause i'm getting my cooldown reduction from paragorn points (cause i got a lot), other than that i agree with everything else.

Especially on rings like Unity, CHC with CHD is the way to go. Even SOJ you would want to prioritize CHC or CHD rather than attack speed.

hm... apparently instead of ascendency which i'm using, his using fires of heaven which is wrath resource heavy.

I believe that is getting nerfed in the upcoming patch for dmg. Enough to kill it ? I'm not sure.

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This is my new pants found today t3 rifting.

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doesn't have vit, but i still have 400k hp pool without the vit on pant so i can get away with that (probably cause i am making up for it with my high paragorn points spen on life%)

in return i get 500 str from the bonus which translates to better offensive stats.

My all resistance fell down to 1024 (cause i don't benefit from asheara's 2 set bonus for additional ares) ...... but i still feel i'm doing okay in T3. haven't tested in T4 yet doh.gif But with the str my armor is now 1600


my gloves i rerolled but only got up to 41%.... ideally i want 45% or better sweat.gif now broke ....
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Interesting crusader blessed hammer build with condemn and heavens fury.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthr...-of-the-Blessed



blessed hammer infinity rune seems interesting as a nuking option. because each holy attack heals 1% hp. And it also has a chance to spawn more hammers on hit .... i feel that is huge for keeping you alive and dishing some damage.

But to further empower that, there is a flail that gives the extra dominion rune effect so it follows you around as you move. But doing so means you can't then use the fells of fate 2handed weapon for 3 heavens fury beams.

so one step in one direction, takes you away from another. So you have to choose which you prefer.


his build uses condemn, whereas mine uses the horse. horse helps me out generally in getting places quick in and out of fights. it's more of a general utility. maybe provoke is better on higher torments i suppose where you need to finish whats on your plate before you move on. but t4 and below i prefer to keep my horsey handy tongue.gif seeing as i'm using heavenly might -15 movement speed. Probably wouldn't be an issue if had the shield at least. But then again rather use heavens fury cooldown reduction shield for faster nukes.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 8 2014, 02:22 PM)
Interesting crusader blessed hammer build with condemn and heavens fury.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthr...-of-the-Blessed
blessed hammer infinity rune seems interesting as a nuking option. because each holy attack heals 1% hp. And it also has a chance to spawn more hammers on hit ....  i feel that is huge for keeping you alive and dishing some damage.

But to further empower that, there is a flail that gives the extra dominion rune effect so it follows you around as you move. But doing so means you can't then use the fells of fate 2handed weapon for 3 heavens fury beams.

so one step in one direction, takes you away from another. So you have to choose which you prefer.
his build uses condemn, whereas mine uses the horse. horse helps me out generally in getting places quick in and out of fights. it's more of a general utility. maybe provoke is better on higher torments i suppose where you need to finish whats on your plate before you move on. but t4 and below i prefer to keep my horsey handy tongue.gif seeing as i'm using heavenly might -15 movement speed. Probably wouldn't be an issue if had the shield at least. But then again rather use heavens fury cooldown reduction shield for faster nukes.
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QUOTE(amiranna @ Apr 8 2014, 02:44 PM)
i got the flail last night.. it very nice to have 2 rune blessed hammer  laugh.gif i use it with thunderstruck.. lightning hammer circling around me as i move  thumbup.gif
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Got the flail too. But the flail DPS too low compare to my current 2H Sourge. Sourge Poison Nova proc very freq and lot of dmg.
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Got the flail too. But the flail DPS too low compare to my current 2H Sourge. Sourge Poison Nova proc very freq and lot of dmg.
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re roll life per hit of course.

even if you screw up on the roll, you can keep re-rolling to a different one. so you shouldn't worry too much.

My suggestion .... wear the helm first then check how much all resistance you have.

if your all res is above 1024 (my current ares when i t3), then don't ares.

2nd thing to check is your critical hit damage. How much is it using helm. Is it close to 50 chc ? Calculate if you put max chc on helm, will you be at 50chc or more ? 50chc is bare minimum you need.

3rd thing to check is what damage spell modifiers can you stack on it to suit your current build to increase damage.

Refer to cookiemanners graphical enchant guide to see what he suggests.

The way i see it though, omit ares, and go for chc primarily. i just can't imagine myself not wearing a helm without chc on it at the very least.

But if chc is okay already, then go for damage modifier for your spell instead (i strongly doubt this is the case). I don't think you got room to add all res, cause you got 2-3 things you want here, and they probably have a higher priority (assuming you can make up ares elsewhere)

For all attack speed, the only helms with it are andariels and mempo's of twilight. For block chance only helm of rule. So these 2 you can forget on getting for the akkhan helm.

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Crusader changes in todays patch (assuming it's today sweat.gif since maintenance)
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Lord Commander The cooldown of Steed Charge is now reduced by 25% (changed from 5 seconds),  and Bombardment by 35% (changed from 20 seconds).
Blessed Shield Now deals 340% weapon damage (up from 280%).
Staggering Shield : Now has a 35% chance to stun (up from 25%).
Combust : Now deals 270% weapon damage (up from 105%).
Sweep Attack Now deals 440% weapon damage (up from 400%).

Heaven's Fury
Fires of Heaven : Now deals 735% weapon damage (down from 950%).

Phalanx Now deals 380% weapon damage (up from 295%).
Bowmen : Now deals 160% weapon damage (up from 85%).
Shield Charge : Now deals 180% weapon damage (up from 75%).
Stampede : Now deals 380% weapon damage (up from 295%). Now has a 30% chance to stun (up from 25%).
Bodyguard : Now deals 285% weapon damage (up from 200%).
Fist of the Heavens Now deals 340% weapon damage (up from 250%) Each bolt now deals 340% weapon damage (up from 210%).
Fissure : Now deals 400% weapon damage (up from 80%).
Divine Well : Now has an 18 yard distance (up from 12). Now deals 80% weapon damage (up from 14%)

Blessed Hammer
Burning Wrath : Scorched ground now deals 150% weapon damage (up from 95%).

Shield Bash The datamined values for base shield bash where pulling up the same as the new pound rune, so they have been removed for now. There is a good chance the base ability was buffed.
Crumble : Now deals 660% weapon damage (up from 550%).
Shattered Shield : Now deals 380% weapon damage (up from 325%) plus 335% of your shield's block chance (up from 300%).
Pound : Now deals 740% weapon damage (up from 550%) plus 500% of shield's block chance (up from 150%).
Steed Charge Cooldown is now 16 seconds (down from 25). Now lasts for 1.5 seconds (down from 2).
Ramming Speed : Now deals 515% weapon damage (up from 475).
Endurance : Now increase duration to 2 seconds (down from 3)
Draw and Quarter : Now deals 185% weapon damage (up from 125%).

Falling Sword
Rise Brothers : Possible change here, however diffs have an error and are outputting 0%.

Punish Now deals 270% weapon damage (up from 200%). 
Retaliate : Now deals 94% weapon damage (up from 70%).
Justice Now deals 240% weapon damage (up from 175%).
Sword of Justice : Now gains 3% movement speed (up from 2%).
Hammer of Pursuit : Now deals 300% weapon damage (up from 200).
Burst : Now deals 30% weapon damage (up from 25%). .


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There is currently a very unpleasant bug with Blessed Shield - Shattering Throw where the shield can rebound on the Crusader casting it, potentially resulting in death.

Hardcore players should avoid using this skill until a hotfix can be implemented.

We are currently working on a hotfix and will update the 2.0.4 Patch Hotfix thread with more information as soon as it becomes available. We thank you for your patience and understanding while we work to resolve this issue as quickly as possible!

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Crusader changes in todays patch (assuming it's today  sweat.gif since maintenance)
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My holy/condemn/crafted crusader build.
Finally can take some damage thanks to set bonus and 15% DR biggrin.gif

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Need a holy dmg amulet, socketed helm for CD reduction gem and will switch a diamond to ruby soon.
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some crusaders with high damage brainstorming some builds with some interesting info

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12329993250


i may need to try different builds because people are just doing way more or lousier gear most part doh.gif

in summary

1. elemental damage bonuses (enchants on gear e.g. lightning, holy, fire dmg... depending on which you are stacking....)
2. elite damage bonuses (unity ring.... stone of jordan..... even some weapons have that ....)
3. skill damage bonuses (heavens fury etc.....)

will get you to high dmg output hmm.gif

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Crusader best in slot items ??



helm
-andariels = can attack speed with chc. also has a neat poison attack skill
-mempos of twilight = can attack speed with chc
- helm of rule = can block and chc
- akkhan set helm = set bonus

shoulder
- zakara = no repair bills. mostly good for general farm or anything really.
- skeleton king shoulderpads = a possibility to avoid death. though not sure you would intentionally chance it to get it to proc on the off chance.
- asheara = for set bonus
- akkhan set shoulder = set bonus
- homing pads = teleport out in 99% of most situations back to town without interrupts
- death watch mantle = for a more offensive crusader build


rings
- stone of jordan = high elite dmg
- unity = elite dmg
- grandeur royalty = possibility to use more than 1 set easily, and also fit in better choice items while still able to unlock set bonuses (from act1 bounty reward)
- rhogars huge stone = high health per sec regen, especially if you get a good roll with 90% + or so on life missing. Ideally you want chc with chd and main stat on it as well.
- leoric signet = trifecta with exp farming bonus
- hellfire ring = trifecta with exp farming bonus


amulets
- ess of johan = grouping up adds is easier. works even when you heavens fury ascendency !
- leorics = skely archers on massacre
- shako = creates clones on stun. if you use the law with 100% chance to stun, you can make them reliably appear.

weapons
- fate of the fell = 2handed heavens fury increase by 2 beams. good for ascendency.
- the mortal drama = 2handed bombardment build.
- sword of hatred = possibility to use it's special skills for added damage ?
- maximus = has fire dmg boost for a fire build crusader.
- hack = thorn build
- burning axe of sankis = 1 handed fire dmg booster wep
- devastator = 1 handed fire dmg booster wep. craftable
- blade of prophecy = 2 handed sword for condemn build.
- cam's rebuttal = falling sword build spam
- justinians mercy = has dominion effect, which allows hammers to follow as you move. lets you use basically another rune with it.


shields
- defender of westmarch = offensive heavy shield on block proc
- eberli charlo = reduce heavens fury cooldown. works very well when combined with the akkhan set bonus
- hellskull = general purpose shield for mavking heavenly might not a pain in the a-ss when general farming


chests
- cindercoat = if your going fire build. this is the bis chest. incr fire dmg, and also reduce the cost as well for fire dmg spells !!
- magefists. bis for fire crusader builds.
- akkhan set chest
- cain set = for attack speed set bonus
- tyreal's might = increased dmg against demons. lots of creep we fight is demon so this is good.
- armor of the king regent = improves smite ability by a bit.

belt
- witchin hour - bar none. Attack speed with chd is too hard to pass. No other belt beats it.

Bracer
- steady strikers = chc with as
- lacuni = chc with as.
- thorn vambrances = possible to 1000% thorn damage. good for a thorn build.

pants
- pox faulds = has aoe damage .......
- asheara for set bonus ?
- akkhan set pants = set bonus
- cain set = for attack speed bonus
- asheara = for set bonus

boots
- ice climbers
- phase boots that lets you run through enemies (from bounty reward)
- akkhan set boots = set bonus
- cain set = for attack speed bonus
- asheara = for set bonus


potions
- bottomless potion of generation = increases your life per sec temporarily.

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QUOTE(draex3 @ Apr 10 2014, 06:47 PM)
yeah i notice this because of SB got this reflect dmg ... if you try on reflect elite it works the same way too...
ahhh I did mention that on description.

It only works on certain elites, for example Fire Chain types.

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What about justice lantern ring for the high block ?
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See my sad sad crusader.. .can't even solo torment 1...

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QUOTE(gh0sty @ Apr 11 2014, 11:15 AM)
What about justice lantern ring for the high block ?
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some skills benefit from damage based on high block (cap 75 block).

That said, i'm not convinced the high block on the ring is worth losing the other dps stats e.g. trifecta hmm.gif


using a decent shield with high block rate (best ive seen is stormshield ironically, at 30 %+ block chance), insurmountable (30% block if 4 or more creates near you), punish (another 15% block chance when you use the skill).

There is your 75% block. So then what is the point of justice lantern, unless of course you pair it up with helm of rule, so you don't need to use insurmountable to gain a more reliable block chance at all times even against single foes like bosses.

Or better yet, switch out the insurmountable for stand your ground for the more reliable 15% block, and use that with helm of rule. There is just no reason to use justice of lantern.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 11 2014, 11:42 AM)
some skills benefit from damage based on high block (cap 75 block).

That said, i'm not convinced the high block on the ring is worth losing the other dps stats e.g. trifecta  hmm.gif
using a decent shield with high block rate (best ive seen is stormshield ironically, at 30 %+ block chance), insurmountable (30% block if 4 or more creates near you), punish (another 15% block chance when you use the skill).

There is your 75% block. So then what is the point of justice lantern, unless of course you pair it up with helm of rule, so you don't need to use insurmountable to gain a more reliable block chance at all times even against single foes like bosses.

Or better yet, switch out the insurmountable for stand your ground for the more reliable 15% block, and use that with helm of rule. There is just no reason to use justice of lantern.
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I was also thinking about insurmountable passive but the description mentions block amount increased by 30%. ... I believe block amount is different from block chance...

This is what I plan to do with my crusader. To build a high block chance + high CDR + high CC effect reduction (all gear dependent) while trying to maintain at least 500k dps / 600k HP / 1500AR (this is for Torment 1)... Skill choices are as below :

Left mouse : Slash (Zeal) - for faster wrath regen
Right mouse : Steed Charge (Rejuvenation) - escape skill for oh-shlt moments (mind you this is Hardcore crus)
1 : laws of justice (Bravery) - CC Breaker
2 : provoke (Hit me) - to take pressure off from party members while regaining HP from High block and Renewal (Passive)
3 : Condemn (Unleashed) - burst damage / Consecretion (bathed in light$
4 : Fist of the Heavens (Fissure) - burst damage

Passives
Hold your ground : increase block chance by 15%
Long arm of law : increase duration of CC breaker to 10secs
Renewal : gain life from blocks
Optional - Heavenly strength / Righteousness

Required Items
1. Helm of command/rule (8-11%block chance)
2. Storm shield (29-32% block chance)
3. Justice Lantern (11-16% block chance)

Total ideal max block chance achievable : 74% (including 15% from passive)

This is what I have at the moment... So ... Any crusader sifus out there wanna pinch in some advice?

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 10 2014, 11:42 PM)
ahhh I did mention that on description.

It only works on certain elites, for example Fire Chain types.
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witchin hour has str type also?


Nvm .. just saw the updated version
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/the-witching-hour

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Mannercookie was demo-ing this 6 piece set bonus for Akkhan's.

90% Akarat's chamption uptime and nearly-perma doube-condemn spam with blade of phrophecy.

Pretty sick.
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Iron Skin + Reflective Rune does not work on Siegebreaker anymore.
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QUOTE(gh0sty @ Apr 11 2014, 12:06 PM)
I was also thinking about insurmountable passive but the description mentions block amount increased by 30%. ... I believe block amount is different from block chance...

This is what I plan to do with my crusader. To build a high block chance + high CDR + high CC effect reduction (all gear dependent) while trying to maintain at least 500k dps / 600k HP / 1500AR (this is for Torment 1)... Skill choices are as below :

Left mouse : Slash (Zeal) - for faster wrath regen
Right mouse : Steed Charge (Rejuvenation) - escape skill for oh-shlt moments (mind you this is Hardcore crus)
1 : laws of justice (Bravery) - CC Breaker
2 : provoke (Hit me) - to take pressure off from party members while regaining HP from High block and Renewal (Passive)
3 : Condemn (Unleashed) - burst damage / Consecretion (bathed in light$
4 : Fist of the Heavens (Fissure) - burst damage

Passives
Hold your ground : increase block chance by 15%
Long arm of law : increase duration of CC breaker to 10secs
Renewal : gain life from blocks
Optional - Heavenly strength / Righteousness

Required Items
1. Helm of command/rule (8-11%block chance)
2. Storm shield (29-32% block chance)
3. Justice Lantern (11-16% block chance)

Total ideal max block chance achievable : 74% (including 15% from passive)

This is what I have at the moment... So ... Any crusader sifus out there wanna pinch in some advice?
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i stand corrected. yes you are right. insurmountable is block VAlue.

whereas stand your ground is block chance.

So we can ignore insurmountable in regards to block chance that was being discussed. still stands to reason that helm of rule (block +str + chc) with stand your ground (15% block CHANCE) is the better option.

That then leaves room for you to use....

Grandeur royalty (for multiple set effectiveness) with either a soj (elite bonus and maybe the 50 chd with holy damage modifier 20%) or a unity (less elite bonus, but you can fight in chc with chd into it)



I'm using blessed shield which does % increased weapon damage + % increased damage based on your block chance. Seems it does some decent numbers, but combust which i like is fire based.... the others are lightning and holy.

Problematic for me since my ascendency is holy, so i rather just be stacking one element damage type than having split into 2 or more rclxub.gif


so shield bash may be better for me if i am stacking holy, and want to take advantage of a good shield to produce more damage. still need to do some testing.


PS: your playing hc so it's understandable why you playing cc role like extending effect to 10 seconds. That is probably the wiser choice for hardcore. Crowd controlling so you don't die. I was doing the same sort of thing i was being power leveled doing audience with royalty fighting snakes. Shield glare to stun, and law to stun again .. hah.

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I start stacking lightning dmg % with new craft bracer Reaper's Wraps. Manage to reroll to 20% Lightning (was aim for holy)

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GUys what do you all think, if using heaven's fury, Ascendancy (large beam) or Split Fury (3 smaller beam) better?
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QUOTE(Vorador @ Apr 12 2014, 11:32 AM)
GUys what do you all think, if using heaven's fury, Ascendancy (large beam) or Split Fury (3 smaller beam) better?
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I using Blessed Ground rune now. It seem like the scorching effect made too much damage it intended to.
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Moogle's Crusader build 2.0 .............


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i'm using punish - celerity for increase attack speed. also it helps increase my block chance as long as i diligently make sure it's being renewed. is phys so it doesn't stack with my holy element :{ I don't really treat this as my main damage so doesn't really matter. it's more the skill utility for block, and to increase my attack speed to life on hit.


shield bash - pound. just that extra high damage to knock the elites into the ground. it's holy so i benefit from using it. the downside though is it's very small range. it does however have some sort of charging ability to close the distance. gobby raping anyone laugh.gif

laws of valor - frozen in terror. just a boost to my attack speed. also i chose frozen terror to work with my shako amulet for a reliable 100% stun so that my clones show up whenever i need them.

akarat's champion - rally. avoid death blows. also helps reduce my cooldowns faster especially for heavens fury. i heard there is a cooldown reduction cap, but i wonder whether rally helps bypass the cap to make it refresh faster. honestly i'm not sure. But my set combined with my shield = 99% reduction cooldown whenever akarat's is active. I can confirm now it's not 99% .... there is definitely some cap working there, but it's fast enough for recast nuking. So now i wonder whether rally is worth it or not seeing as i got akkhan set bonus and the eberli charlo shield effect from.

steed charge - endurance. just to get places seeing as how i'm -15movement speed due to heavenly might passive.

heaven's fury - ascendency. nukes everything trash and bosses alike. it helps that i got set bonus and shield to spam it more frequently. thats why it's worth using this for my setup as my main damage.

holy cause - heal whenever i use holy spells. also increases holy damage.

finery - strength gained for each gem socket in gear. more strength is good :}

heavenly strength - so i can wear the fells of the fate. all 2handed crusaders use this.

hold your ground - to increase my block chance by 15%



gear

helm
- attack speed on it. normally you'd also have chc to go with it, but seeing as i'm 55% chc i didn't bother. Also i can switch to my andariels if i needed to which has it, or i make a helm of rule and get block instead of attack speed. I'd do this especially if i found the westfall march shield which does damage on block procs, which would make the block that much better.

shoulder
- the stats seem fine for primary. it also has heaven fury damage increase for my build.

amulet
- can make clones whenever you stun (with a cooldown timer though). i'd probably want to replace this for an amy with holy dmg booster in it.

chest
- doesn't have all resistance, but instead has the heaven fury dmg increase. i'm a bit skeptical if that is the way to go, because i don't like my all res being low. but cookie manner seems to think this is the right thing to do. So if that is the case, does he intend for crusaders to use all but one or no sockets for strength gems, and instead go all resistance ? is that loss in strength worth the hf spell boost ? I hope so.

gloves
- trifecta meaning it has strength, attack speed, chd and chc. Mines a set item trifecta which is good since those are hard to come by. but if you are a fire spec crusader, you may rather be using a magefist because of the added fire bonus dmg in it.

bracer
- the reaper wrap's is good because of the holy dmg booster, and has chc, with str and vit. it's legendary skill is also amazing especially if you have a big wrath pool via secondary stat (increased wrath). So in my situation i'd spam pound, then get a pool to almost recharge my wrath. health orbs drop quite often that people don't realize. so makes topping up during and after the fights quite easy if you have issues generating enough wrath. this bracer's helps in that area. It gets really good if paired with a zero dog witch doctor in your group who spams health orbs.

belt
- lv 60 but it has chd and attack speed. i'd replace it with the lv 70 version for more main stats while still keeping attack speed and chd of course.

pants
- doesn't have vit, other than that it's fine. My hp pool is 300k+ so i can still use these pants despite the lack of vit. But down the road i definitely need one with vit in it. But if you come across the same situation as this, check how much hp you have. If it's below 300k, see if you can use paragorn points in vit and life% to get you there.

boots
- asheara's nothing fancy. if i were to use it with another asheara piece i could unlock the set bonus for 100+ all res, and the life% But figuring out which asheara piece to use..... stil deciding :/ problem is i don't have enough akkhan set pieces, to be removing any of them at this time. Also i don't have ice climbers or some other specialty boots which would probably be better for me at this point since i can't do multiple sets yet.

rings
- royalty grandeur is a must once you start getting set items. you can get some good set combos by using as few pieces as possible. this ring is awesome especially if you find a trifecta version of it.

- unity is 2nd best to stone of jordan. i'm using it since, i haven't yet found a holy stone of jordan yet.


weapon
- fate of the fell, 2handed nuker for heavens fury builds. want a higher dps version, and be able to re-roll it to holy damage if possible. i like the str and vit stats because it has so much of it.

shield
- found that eberli charlo finally. it help reduces my heavens fury cooldown for more frequent spam. this is very useful for hf builds such as mine, as it vastly reduces the need to hoarde as much cooldown reduction stats. i'm literaly don't use any.

Bit sad that it didn't come with the usual str, vit, chc, block% ; but i settled for it having all resistance because i'm rather low for ares anyway, and as long as i'm 300k+ hp i'll be okay, though i rather wish i were 400k+ hp Also i want this with 28 block or more ideally.


gear summary

overall i'm worried about all resistance being between 900-1000. Could use some feedback on what others think is the ares needed for things up to torment 6. Vit is low, but then again i'm using a lv 60 belt which i hope to replace soon. And if possible maybe try and get some set bonuses in there for that extra vit if possible.


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Just noticed that sets like cains just got cheap to make. so gonna be farming crafts for these drool.gif

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how i wish i have better items.....
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Moogle Stiltzkin how do you kill mobs? solid skills but mobs maybe trouble if play solo or low dps like me sweat.gif
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Apr 13 2014, 11:38 PM)
Moogle Stiltzkin how do you kill mobs? solid skills but mobs maybe trouble if play solo or low dps like me  sweat.gif
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i hardly solo so hm ... hmm.gif and usually when i do i t1-t3 hehe.
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Moogle gear v3.0 ......

I managed to find the wolf shield finally. so using that. I also crafted a helm of rule helm as well.

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i had to use asheara 3 set bonus using the shoulder and boots with royalty grandeur ring because i am low on hp and all resistance.

also had to replace gems to use more all resistance ones.


it didn't matter that my helm didn't have chc, because i'm 54.50% chc without it even. And thats not even counting that some of my pieces e.g. rings and shield are not yet maxed on chc yet.

If the helm had ares instead of vit, i probably could fit back in that 1 str gem i replaced though :/



As for shield, eberli charlo is good for my hf build in all honesty, but i've always intended to use the westfall defender shield from the start. it works well with my punish skill anyway for a high block stat which is my end game. I've only so far managed to get 66 block chance (with punish being maintained of course)


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PS: i can probably should get chc to replace vit or socket. because i can still get them via my witchin hour belt, and akkhan pants still. Or better yet all res with chc. so no socket or vit. this gives me room for str gems in socket. even without life% bonus from socket i probably can still get to 400-500k health pool.



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wow...what is the best place for level up and legendaries?

those drops are awesome
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wow...what is the best place for level up and legendaries?

those drops are awesome
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i was farmin for helm of rule mat when the shield dropped in bounty mode t3. fighting gorog if not mistaken :/

the witchin hour i got gambling belts from kadala using rift shards.


and i was doing torment 4 rifts with some buddies when i got leg after leg. i think at one point i got 6 legs within 20 seconds ..... crazy.... 1 leg...2 leg.. 3leg..... at that point i was like drool.gif

always open chests, and break breakable objects whenever you can nod.gif

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1.2mil dps holy moly...
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1.2mil dps holy moly...
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the diablofans explanation.

if you check my profile is lower than this. but if ingame it shows 1.2m this is because it then take into calculation my chd and chc. the diablofans video explains this




actual dps is the yellow dmg shown when you use your spells on monsters. this can be drastically different doh.gif depending if you stack elite dmg&, elemental dmg%, skill dmg % , crit procs and so on....

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 11 2014, 07:00 PM)
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It's still works, i try it out yday..
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been playing more cruz lately... how's my build? personally i find killing slow compared to my dh...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/retsmot...5/hero/44027205

my gear not so good... can only do t1 at best. also, for some reason when i use crusader 2 handed weapons legends hardly drop. rng is such a beetch.

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QUOTE(draex3 @ Apr 14 2014, 02:11 PM)
It's still works, i try it out yday..
i tried it out over the weekend, it didn't work. so did another friend.

so now they brought it back? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(retsmot @ Apr 14 2014, 02:29 PM)
been playing more cruz lately... how's my build? personally i find killing slow compared to my dh...
AOE still ok but 1 on 1 really super duper slow.

Doing bounty also slow due to walk speed.

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QUOTE(retsmot @ Apr 14 2014, 02:29 PM)
been playing more cruz lately... how's my build? personally i find killing slow compared to my dh...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/retsmot...5/hero/44027205

my gear not so good... can only do t1 at best. also, for some reason when i use crusader 2 handed weapons legends hardly drop. rng is such a beetch.
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I stacking +lightning dmg%. Can do T2 easily. T3 will had to kite a bit. Not slow thought because the mod density is much more compare to T2.
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i haven't found any worthy elemental stacking stuff...

and yes its pretty slow i only use my crusader in rifts... for bounty i use dh to farm the rift crystals.
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QUOTE(retsmot @ Apr 14 2014, 02:29 PM)
been playing more cruz lately... how's my build? personally i find killing slow compared to my dh...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/retsmot...5/hero/44027205

my gear not so good... can only do t1 at best. also, for some reason when i use crusader 2 handed weapons legends hardly drop. rng is such a beetch.
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crusader damage output example

my dps output is 15-20 million per shield bash - pound (holy). I top up my wrath using reaper wraps from orb drops. To make sure that i am able to shield bash more before i run out of resource, or enough time to allow for health orbs to drop, i make sure that i am stacking increased wrath on secondary stats on all my gear whenever possible (even in paragorn points i've maxed out my wrath resource pool). So a bigger tank lets me keep doing this consistently, with huge tops up from health orbs nod.gif

Then my main dps is from the heavens fury ascency, making good use of fate of the fell, to shoot 3 instead only 1 big beam. And i can spam that every 15 seconds or less. Sooner when my akarat's champion is active. If i use eberli charlo shield, i can spam every 7-8 seconds instead roughly.

I can't see how much my HF dmg does, but looking at the skill description it improves my damage over 1000% of my weapon dmg. And it's holy based so it also takes holy element stacking into consideration. As well as dmg against elite bonuses ...... i suspect Crit hit dmg may also be factored however i'm unsure. and this is for each of the 3 beams no less. That is way more than shield bash -pound smile.gif


So thats the only dps figures and i can share with you for my build. I honestly don't know what the top 50 crusaders dps and build are like. But i am aware that lightning spec crusaders using a good Darklight 1 hander, are using the Fist of the heaven -fissure to do some insane damage. But they are stacking lightning, so i couldn't really test that.

according to the diablofans video i posted, the guy mentioned that skill boosters like increased foth dmg by so and so %, is multiplicative rather than additive toward your overall damage. So it may be worth stacking. This may be okay on shoulders and chest (i got heavens fury dmg modifiers on them); but i am unsure whether it's wise to do the same for boots, belt, helm (i don't think you can get heavens fury on these. Just your regular attacks like slash.... fist of the heaven etc....) Because you will quickly run out of places for all resistance, and vitality which you need very badly. I'm already running low an all resistance.

Seeing as i use punish, should i be stacking punish into boots and helm as well ? Well without it, i do 3-4m ish damage. And this skill is physical, not even holy based, so i don't benefit from my holy stacks here. But the reason i use it is upkeep of that 15% extra dodge for my shield to proc more often at 66 % ish block rate (when punish is active).

So i cannot recommend adding skill dmg to anything other than

- shoulder (heavens fury)
- chest (heavens fury)
- bracer (holy)
- amulet (holy)
- glove (only fire is possible and this is from magefist gloves)
- weapon (only some weapons can stack increase dmg modifier. holy, cold, fire, lightning......)
- shield (i think only lidless wall and that hallowed shield can stack holy. Lidless can also stack other elemental damage as well)
- ring (stone of jordan can stack holy, cold, fire, lightning)


All resistance issues ??

I noticed that my all resistance starts dipping 900-1000 if i replace all resistance 100 on chest for the heavens fury modifier. This is one piece i am very unsure whether this is the best course of action. I don't deny that stacking HF is amazing, but it takes a toll on your all resistance stacks.

So i tried a few things to make up for it such as....

- 2 piece of asheara set items (either shoulder, pants, boots, glove) to get the 100 ares bonus. Seeing as i also use grandeur royalty ring i also get a nice 20% life bonus as well.
- i replaced my 3 chest sockets and 2 pant sockets to all resistance max gems. Except for 1 socket in pants i left as a strength gem.
- My shield rolled a socket, so i put in an ares gem. Seeing as i'm using the finery passive, i also get strength from it.


other things i could do is...
- replace my whd to have 1 defensive stat either vit or ares. in my situation i probably rather have the all resistance, seeing as i'm 400k+ hp so that isn't too big a deal for me.

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how to improve strength beyond this point for me ?

i think i've already done my best to get the str stats on my gear. so this seems to be the max i can get, seeing as the gems are used currently for all resistance to stay capped. The only way now for me to increase strength, is to find gear with near perfect strength, meaning as closest as possible to max str value on that of gear. Alot of my gear is mostly roughly like 60% ish of their max str value on their pieces. So this is the only option left for me to get a higher str. Hopefully i can hit the 100k str barrier laugh.gif

As for vit, some of the gear like akkhan's pants don't even have vit. it's a flawed item, but the reason i got away with that was because my hp was already high. So rather than being a super amazing 500k+ crusader, i'm instead now a decent 400k ish. So vit for me, i still got to find better gear for that, before i worry about maxing out vit alongside str. TBH i rather max out str more, seeing as my vit is pretty good enough that i'm the least concerned, just as long as i have vit on the piece where it's needed, i'm fine at this point.



Anyway this is my stats using my current gear atm
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had to scale back str, to tighten up low all resistance. also shuffle around some pieces to get set bonuses.

the result....


Defensive stats
477k health points pool
1033 + all resistance
armor 15.8k
block chance 51% (is 66% when punish is renewed)

offensive stats
str 9104
bonus damage against elites 23%
attacks per sec 1.55
critical hit chance 54.50%
crit hit damage 463%
area damage 50%

wrath stat
wrath pool 139
wrath regen per sec 2.5
wrath cost reduction 7.8%

healing stat
life per sec 7.3k
life per hit 4.1k
health glove healing bonus 28.9 k
globe radius 5 yards
Bottomless potion of regeneration = 60% health heal, including the special effect life per sec 37.7k hp over 5 seconds; and has a 30 second cooldown. Infinite use, isn't a consumable any longer.

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aiyo.... kilat-kilatnya Moogle...

My Cruddy so desperately need a good legendary chest armor and a flail for him... and I want your flail! (Coz I use heaven's fury a lot)

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Nice eq moogle.

Last night I found a 2 handed flail with x2 bombardment... On my dh. Needless to say I am using it now on my Cruz Hohoho. 2 biji 3k% ball drop down from sky so syok lol.
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QUOTE(retsmot @ Apr 15 2014, 10:57 AM)
Nice eq moogle.

Last night I found a 2 handed flail with x2 bombardment... On my dh. Needless to say I am using it now on my Cruz Hohoho. 2 biji 3k% ball drop down from sky so syok lol.
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Now my only hope is to farm the Hilt of the Silver Wolf and hopefully can get the recipe cry.gif
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QUOTE(Vorador @ Apr 15 2014, 10:48 AM)
aiyo.... kilat-kilatnya Moogle...

My Cruddy so desperately need a good legendary chest armor and a flail for him... and I want your flail! (Coz I use heaven's fury a lot)

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QUOTE(retsmot @ Apr 15 2014, 10:57 AM)
Nice eq moogle.

Last night I found a 2 handed flail with x2 bombardment... On my dh. Needless to say I am using it now on my Cruz Hohoho. 2 biji 3k% ball drop down from sky so syok lol.
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QUOTE(Vorador @ Apr 15 2014, 11:00 AM)
Ayam Jelly...

Now my only hope is to farm the Hilt of the Silver Wolf and hopefully can get the recipe  cry.gif
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thx for comments.

actually... i want fell of the fate but with 2.9k dmg or close to drool.gif then i'd be able to do some real damage.

i just found a bombardment but it's roughly 2.4k so i'll just use for experimenting with only laugh.gif

scourge, is that any good ? i honestly didn't try smite hmm.gif from what i remember in d2, smiting was something like a stun bash if i am not mistaken.


QUOTE(and85rew @ Apr 15 2014, 12:05 PM)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KYO-2948/hero/45022514

my weak-ass crusader  happy.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif 
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hm you got cindercoat. reroll for 3 sockets, and go for a fire build crus perhaps ? hmm.gif fire build cruis use maximus i noticed.

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Apr 15 2014, 12:05 PM)
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my weak-ass crusader  happy.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 14 2014, 02:45 PM)
i tried it out over the weekend, it didn't work. so did another friend.

so now they brought it back? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Apr 15 2014, 12:05 PM)
Tuan... why you quoted my character... itu adik crusader aku... doh.gif

QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 15 2014, 12:33 PM)
thx for comments.

actually... i want fell of the fate but with 2.9k dmg or close to  drool.gif  then i'd be able to do some real damage.

i just found a bombardment but it's roughly 2.4k so i'll just use for experimenting with only  laugh.gif

scourge, is that any good ? i honestly didn't try smite  hmm.gif  from what i remember in d2, smiting was something like a stun bash if i am not mistaken.
hm you got cindercoat. reroll for 3 sockets, and go for a fire build crus perhaps ?  hmm.gif fire build cruis use maximus i noticed.
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That's my crusader lor... sweat.gif But I aim to upgrade my Leg chest, so that's why don't wanna waste forgotten soul on it. (And worse, I'm focus on holy damage while this coat boost my fire damage rclxub.gif Should I change?)

And yes... I do have a Maximus: Guess I shall change to fire build... (But I need that holy build for the healing!)

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ur weapon need to slot emerald lor. this game weapon 100% need slot emerald to see dps go up.
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I tried, the secondary properties options don't have socket, so better don't waste my precious forgotten soul on it. My ultimate aim is the 2H flail that give you 3 heaven's fury, I think Moogle is using it.

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Tuan... why you quoted my character... itu adik crusader aku...  doh.gif
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Hello guys,

Last night maximus dropped upon me. It make me considering to roll a fire crus. Currently my crus is foth (divine well) + heaven fury build. Item mostly have foth dmg modifier.

So, what element have the highest dps potential ? In diablo prgress most high element dps is fire type. But they are most close melee battle oriented. Currently im so much enjoy foth and heaven fury style...

Can holy be on par with fire element?
Foth divine well better or fissure rune better?

Helm of rule or mempo twilling ?

Thx
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My FotH Condemn crusader geared for lvling.

Going with CDR. above 40% with gem now

Condemn, spam FotH, provoke, spam FotH, whack 2 to 3 times, repeat.

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QUOTE(KruteX @ Apr 15 2014, 03:52 PM)
Hello guys,

Last night maximus dropped upon me. It make me considering to roll a fire crus. Currently my crus is foth (divine well) + heaven fury build. Item mostly have foth dmg modifier.

So, what element have the highest dps potential ? In diablo prgress most high element dps is fire type. But they are most close melee battle oriented. Currently im so much enjoy foth and heaven fury style...

Can holy be on par with fire element?
Foth divine well better or fissure rune better?

Helm of rule or mempo twilling ?

Thx
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magefist + cindercoat. no other element has that, that is why it's possible to stack fire more than the other elements hmm.gif not to mention that cindercoat reduces cost for fire skills as well.

seem's very one sided that fire is getting all the perks for best element stack atm.


QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 15 2014, 04:19 PM)
My FotH Condemn crusader geared for lvling.

Going with CDR. above 40% with gem now

Condemn, spam FotH, provoke, spam FotH, whack 2 to 3 times, repeat.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/fthis-6363/hero/43524809
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since your lightning spec foth, have you considered using the darklight 1hander for foth - fissure ? i heard it's really op right now hmm.gif

if you can get a chc and chd str compass rose that would be nice for your amy set bonus smile.gif

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Speaking of which, I just looted a CD compass rose today.

I'm out of souls to enchant that and my darklight haha

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wooooo fire build cruzzy ROCK !!!

My cruzz 'suddenly' can survive T1 very well!
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QUOTE(poyol @ Apr 16 2014, 09:07 AM)
got this last night.. but traded it away... sweat.gif

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everybody wants this.... but i want this
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crusader love shield biggrin.gif now there plenty of white shield we can craft


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Omgggg how
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crusader love shield biggrin.gif now there plenty of white shield we can craft
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Ah...need this white shield. Can give me 1 or 2?
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Hi guys, just now drop a blade of prophercy.

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what stat should i reroll ?

do the sword do any good ?
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 16 2014, 05:03 PM)
Ah...need this white shield. Can give me 1 or 2?
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hm... dunno why my crusader looks like gundam...

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Crus got sidelined in terms of gear potential ....


Barb IK set - wear 3 to unlock all set bonus
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/immortal-kings-eternal-reign

Raekor 4 piece to unlock all set bonus
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/raekors-heart

And yes can combine both set. to one degree or another to unlock some of their bonuses together.



Crusader akkhan set 5 pieces to unlock full set....
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/breastplate-of-akkhan

meaning.... we can only choose either to use 1 different piece for shoulder, helm, pants, chest, boots, gloves ........


shoulder - zakara, homing pads

helm - mempos, helm of rule, andariels

pants - hex, stink pants

boots - ice climbers .....

gloves - magefists .......


So out of all those choices, you will only be able to wear 1 custom piece. assuming you use the royalty grandeur ring, and you intend to get the full set bonus for akkhans.

This is our crusader situation right now. So compare that to barbarian and understand that they have more options to use MORE unique gear and still unlock full set bonus. Including wearing a partial 2nd set raekor which isn't bad at all.


PS: didn't bother to include invoker set rolleyes.gif not worth considering unless your a thorn build (and intend to use sanguiary vambraces), which i am not.



also our phalanx isn't like witch doctor and barb minions where they can stay until they die. we weren't given that option sweat.gif


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where you all crusaders get godlike weapons?
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 17 2014, 07:17 PM)
Crus got sidelined in terms of gear potential ....
Barb IK set - wear 3 to unlock all set bonus
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/immortal-kings-eternal-reign

Raekor 4 piece to unlock all set bonus
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/raekors-heart

And yes can combine both set. to one degree or another to unlock some of their bonuses together.
Crusader akkhan set 5 pieces to unlock full set....
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/breastplate-of-akkhan

meaning.... we can only choose either to use 1 different piece for shoulder, helm, pants, chest, boots, gloves ........
shoulder - zakara, homing pads

helm - mempos, helm of rule, andariels

pants - hex, stink pants

boots - ice climbers .....

gloves - magefists .......
So out of all those choices, you will only be able to wear 1 custom piece. assuming you use the royalty grandeur ring, and you intend to get the full set bonus for akkhans.

This is our crusader situation right now. So compare that to barbarian and understand that they have more options to use MORE unique gear and still unlock full set bonus. Including wearing a partial 2nd set raekor which isn't bad at all.
PS: didn't bother to include invoker set  rolleyes.gif not worth considering unless your a thorn build (and intend to use sanguiary vambraces), which i am not.
also our phalanx isn't like witch doctor and barb minions where they can stay until they die. we weren't given that option  sweat.gif
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Crusader is a hybrid mage class...don't even meant for tank purposes. I made a lvl70 with holy dmg..
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how come no one playing lightning crusader? hammer throw + spinning hammer looks pretty awesome no? + passive skill adds +20% dmg.

or no synergy with equipments?
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how come no one playing lightning crusader? hammer throw + spinning hammer looks pretty awesome no? + passive skill adds +20% dmg.

or no synergy with equipments?
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But I think to progress further, I need to aim for holy dmg with condemn build.
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i am too doing lightning cruz but don't see it as potential T6 solo... i have the same question as u.. if holy dmg /condemn build is sustainable.. then might as well go for that and forget about lightning build
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QUOTE(alcohol @ Apr 21 2014, 12:50 PM)
i am too doing lightning cruz but don't see it as potential T6 solo... i have the same question as u..  if holy dmg /condemn build is sustainable.. then might as well go for that and forget about lightning build
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The key piece in this build is Blade of Prophecy and Akkhan 6 pc bonus.
I had so far got 2 pcs only. Need to keep farming with my current lightning build then..
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Basically, he's got 72.9 total CD reduction for his Akarats.

If you could achieve 60+ CDR on your gears, you might be able to simulate the same effect.
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Show a non Akkhan sets much appreciated and non ping pong shield build (boring build)
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Maximus fire chain build lor. flex.gif
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Maximus fire chain build lor.  flex.gif
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Maximus fire chain build is indeed very strong. Im a holy foth build . Im using maximus while waiting for fell of fate to drop. Even though i have other build defining wep such as blade of propercy, mortal drama. But i felt like maximus a lot stronger due to damage proc by maximus chain.

4-5M damage per hit from the chain is not funny. It make fighting elite is a joke.

Arkhat , pop up fire demon... then ensure the chain touch the monster.. and u will see 6 digit number keep popping out. Im not stacking fire elemental damage, im curious if stacking fire damage will increase chain damage. But as far as i know. The chain damage will increase if your crit damage increase
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QUOTE(KruteX @ Apr 22 2014, 10:34 AM)
Maximus fire chain build is indeed very strong. Im a holy foth build . Im using maximus while waiting for fell of fate to drop. Even though i have other build defining wep such as blade of propercy, mortal drama. But i felt like maximus a lot stronger due to damage proc by maximus chain.

4-5M damage per hit from the chain is not funny. It make fighting elite is a joke.

Arkhat , pop up fire demon... then ensure the chain touch the monster.. and u will see 6 digit number keep popping out. Im not stacking fire elemental damage, im curious if stacking fire damage will increase chain damage. But as far as i know. The chain damage will increase if your crit damage increase
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That's why I got a big problem changing to other build... current have about +50% fire damage gears...

Unfortunatley my Maximus no socket, now can only count on Kadala for another Maximus. (Oddly, my current Maximus cannot re-roll a socket, when preview the secondary properties it doesn't show a socket rclxub.gif )
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That's why I got a big problem changing to other build... current have about +50% fire damage gears...

Unfortunatley my Maximus no socket, now can only count on Kadala for another Maximus. (Oddly, my current Maximus cannot re-roll a socket, when preview the secondary properties it doesn't show a socket  rclxub.gif )
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socket is primary not secondary laugh.gif
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QUOTE(amiranna @ Apr 22 2014, 10:58 AM)
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really! but I thought it always at secondary!

This is my current maximus, screen-cap from profile page:

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really! but I thought it always at secondary!

This is my current maximus, screen-cap from profile page:

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QUOTE(amiranna @ Apr 22 2014, 11:27 AM)
to need to reroll the STR or VIT to make socket, well its to late now..  laugh.gif
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ya... too late... but anyway i wont reroll the strength lor, that's my main stat
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Sir, considering you have +50 fire elemental dmg, can u cnfirm either it will increase chain dmg or not
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ya... too late... but anyway i wont reroll the strength lor, that's my main stat
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depends on what you need on primary stats, but majority of people would replace VIT for sock
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QUOTE(KruteX @ Apr 22 2014, 11:41 AM)
Sir, considering you have +50 fire elemental dmg, can u cnfirm either it will increase chain dmg or not
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Erm... it gotta take some effort to test it (like swap out the gears with exact same stat but no +% fire dmg)...

QUOTE(Benny T @ Apr 22 2014, 11:44 AM)
depends on what you need on primary stats, but majority of people would replace VIT for sock
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Currently i am torn apart which build should i go.

For fire build i have : maximus (quite high dmg. 2.7k), magefist, and firewalker.

For holy i have : hallow baricade (holy elemental shield), stone of jordan (holy elemental), and 1 crap reaper wrap (holy, can roll to crit, but now im not using it as i want to craft a better holy reaper wrap)

For lightning i have : stone of jordan (lightning) and lightning reaper wrap

So far i very enjoyed holy build. FotH damage to elite around 7-8m , while justice can damage 5m

For end game or higher torment (4 5 6) which 1 is the most reliable and strong?

Please enlighten me
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QUOTE(KruteX @ Apr 22 2014, 01:23 PM)
Currently i am torn apart which build should i go.

For fire build i have : maximus (quite high dmg. 2.7k), magefist, and firewalker.

For holy i have : hallow baricade (holy elemental shield), stone of jordan (holy elemental), and 1 crap reaper wrap (holy, can roll to crit, but now im not using it as i want to craft a better holy reaper wrap)

For lightning i have : stone of jordan (lightning) and lightning reaper wrap

So far i very enjoyed holy build. FotH damage to elite around 7-8m , while justice can damage 5m

For end game or higher torment (4 5 6) which 1 is the most reliable and strong?

Please enlighten me
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I see some sifus here are thinking holy build for high end..

anyway what's your current weapon? I'm struggling a lot even on T2 due to low DPS... (340k dps only)
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I would said holy build are for end game. The passive holy cause is very important if you want to survive eng game.
Now I start collective +holy dmg, cooldown reduction gear. Also pray RNGod drop me more akkhan pieces and an Blade of Prophecy. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Vorador @ Apr 22 2014, 02:01 PM)
I see some sifus here are thinking holy build for high end..

anyway what's your current weapon? I'm struggling a lot even on T2 due to low DPS... (340k dps only)
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QUOTE(Vorador @ Apr 22 2014, 02:01 PM)
I see some sifus here are thinking holy build for high end..

anyway what's your current weapon? I'm struggling a lot even on T2 due to low DPS... (340k dps only)
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Dps sheet will show your damage which calculated base on str, wep dmg, aspd, crit chance, crit dmg (if im not mistaken) it is calculated roughly base on that.

To improve your damage. Try to stack crit damage, aspd and cc at ring, amulate, glovme. While for bracer and shield i believe can only stack cc and no crit damage. It can be achieve by only using yellow item. I suggest for ring and amulet using a good trifecta cc, cd, aspd, str. Some ppl suggesting aspd is not important as crus focus on burst damage.. which you could consider to roll elemental damage at ur accesories. But by doing that you may have some problem when generating wrath as you attack slower. So for me, im stick to aspd for my acesories.

For wep. If you do not have any good leg, using a good 2h wep with high dmg (2.5-2.6k) and socketed with emerald is good already.

Currently my sheet dps dmg is 800k, but i have stack holy damage at my sheild, bracer, and ring (stone of jordan). And also i deal 38 percent more damage to elite due to bonus from BT set and stone of jordan.

My helm and boot both boost my FotH damage.


Above overall roughly sum up my item build


QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 22 2014, 02:36 PM)
I would said holy build are for end game. The passive holy cause is very important if you want to survive eng game.
Now I start collective +holy dmg, cooldown reduction gear. Also pray RNGod drop me more akkhan pieces and an Blade of Prophecy. biggrin.gif
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Yeah. Im hunting for akhan set too. Currently only have one piece. And BoP silently awaiting in my storage. ;(
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QUOTE(KruteX @ Apr 22 2014, 03:48 PM)
Dps sheet will show your damage which calculated base on str, wep dmg, aspd, crit chance, crit dmg (if im not mistaken) it is calculated roughly base on that.

To improve your damage. Try to stack crit damage, aspd and cc at ring, amulate, glovme. While for bracer and shield i believe can only stack cc and no crit damage. It can be achieve by only using yellow item. I suggest for ring and amulet using a good trifecta cc, cd, aspd, str. Some ppl suggesting aspd is not important as crus focus on burst damage.. which you could consider to roll elemental damage at ur accesories. But by doing that you may have some problem when generating wrath as you attack slower. So for me, im stick to aspd for my acesories.

For wep. If you do not have any good leg, using a good 2h wep with high dmg (2.5-2.6k) and socketed with emerald is good already.

Currently my sheet dps dmg is 800k, but i have stack holy damage at my sheild, bracer, and ring (stone of jordan). And also i deal 38 percent more damage to elite due to bonus from BT set and stone of jordan.

My helm and boot both boost my FotH damage.
Above overall roughly sum up my item build
Yeah. Im hunting for akhan set too. Currently only have one piece. And BoP silently awaiting in my storage. ;(
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Thanks a lot, frankly speaking my crusader largely rely on my Maximus' fire chain, without that the slow attack speed + low dps is really killing... rclxub.gif

Anyway looks like i gotta go through another long run of item farming for those item suggested by you nod.gif
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Justice (Burst): Stun! + Amulet effect (summon shadow clones)

FotH (Fissure): "Main" attack source due to weapon "Darklight" effect (53% to cast another FotH)
Dear Sifu,

please advice for better skill combination, cuz i havnt really try into other skills.

should i change to 2h weapon? cuz i scare wrath cant regen fast enough for FotH.

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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Aiken-1503/hero/46711360

currently playing torment 1 with ease, not yet test for higher torment..
Dear Sifu,

please advice for better skill combination, cuz i havnt really try into other skills.

should i change to 2h weapon? cuz i scare wrath cant regen fast enough for FotH.

Thanks in advance!  notworthy.gif
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You should get a 2H, much more dps compare to 1H. If you changed to 2H, you can try change Foth to Blessed hammer (thunderstruck) since you stack some lighitning dmg. For justice+ hammer build, you need to change your passive to Blunt.
Provoke charge up worked very well with lighting build too and it is a very good wrath gen skill.

But your gear is still not rigid to 1 elemental dmg. If you can found some good holy dmg gears stick to it. Holy had much more potential for enggame T6.


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Sir, considering you have +50 fire elemental dmg, can u cnfirm either it will increase chain dmg or not
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It does not. Fire chain is weapon damage and it's considered range damage. Fire Element does not boost it.

Anyway, I see many of you are loving the Maximus, may I know how high torment are you guys playing at?

Fire chain is cool, I dealt like 8m per tick and it ticks around 4 ticks per second. I even had it on max roll, 1788 max fire dmg, 20% increase fire dmg, a socket and 1101 Str. I have a cindercoat and andy's at max as well, Reaper's wraps at 19% fire dmg, everything set for a fire crusader. Raping T2 like nothing.

Then comes T3. Elites are fine, but rift guardians can one shot my demon, and I'm left with only bowmen as single target. And I'm not the only one facing this issue. /r/diablo3crusaders even has a topic saying Fire crusader cannot go end game. So I'm curious how well you Maximus lovers are doing and in what difficulty, because I switched to lightning then now holy (both now 1Handed) and raping even harder in higher torments than what my decked out Maximus build can.

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I too felt that even lightning build will not be endgame. So far Holy build is only one I saw on twitch.tv that is end game viable.
If you want to see. You can search Mannercookie in twitch.tv/youtube.
This morning he was timing his 10 T6 run (Without Unity on follower). Try to goes as fast as he can and try to beat OP Witch Doctor that can clear in 8 mins or so. biggrin.gif . He cleared them Average around 10 to 13 mins per run.

He did try to swap some skills and gears to optimized the time. But his key pieces are BOP, 5 pcs Akkhan with Ring of royal granduer, 2 pcs born set. His CDR is around 45%




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It does not. Fire chain is weapon damage and it's considered range damage. Fire Element does not boost it.

Anyway, I see many of you are loving the Maximus, may I know how high torment are you guys playing at?

Fire chain is cool, I dealt like 8m per tick and it ticks around 4 ticks per second. I even had it on max roll, 1788 max fire dmg, 20% increase fire dmg, a socket and 1101 Str. I have a cindercoat and andy's at max as well, Reaper's wraps at 19% fire dmg, everything set for a fire crusader. Raping T2 like nothing.

Then comes T3. Elites are fine, but rift guardians can one shot my demon, and I'm left with only bowmen as single target. And I'm not the only one facing this issue. /r/diablo3crusaders even has a topic saying Fire crusader cannot go end game. So I'm curious how well you Maximus lovers are doing and in what difficulty, because I switched to lightning then now holy (both now 1Handed) and raping even harder in higher torments than what my decked out Maximus build can.
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The reason for me to go for Maximus fire build is because I only have Maximus.. doh.gif

Can play T1 no prob, T2 often got killed rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 23 2014, 12:34 PM)
I too felt that even lightning build will not be endgame. So far Holy build is only one I saw on twitch.tv that is end game viable.
If you want to see. You can search Mannercookie in twitch.tv/youtube.
This morning he was timing his 10 T6 run (Without Unity on follower). Try to goes as fast as he can and try to beat OP Witch Doctor that can clear in 8 mins or so. biggrin.gif . He cleared them Average around 10 to 13 mins per run.

He did try to swap some skills and gears to optimized the time. But his key pieces are BOP, 5 pcs Akkhan with Ring of royal granduer, 2 pcs born set. His CDR is around 45%
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Ahh mannercookie, while I like the burst he's giving, I don't like his survivability. But his build is legit and his gears are good and that's the only Crus build that can do T6 now, no captn murica nor thor builds can win that. Fire = 404 not found.

QUOTE(Vorador @ Apr 23 2014, 12:50 PM)
The reason for me to go for Maximus fire build is because I only have Maximus..  doh.gif

Can play T1 no prob, T2 often got killed  rclxub.gif
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You'll get upgrades and reach T3 and you'll then have to ditch them and change element.
I too started with a Maximus, and still only have a good maximus. no gryf's, no BoP, no FotF. Looted a darklight, tried lightning, shit's good but not as good as jekang.
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 23 2014, 12:34 PM)
I too felt that even lightning build will not be endgame. So far Holy build is only one I saw on twitch.tv that is end game viable.
If you want to see. You can search Mannercookie in twitch.tv/youtube.
This morning he was timing his 10 T6 run (Without Unity on follower). Try to goes as fast as he can and try to beat OP Witch Doctor that can clear in 8 mins or so. biggrin.gif . He cleared them Average around 10 to 13 mins per run.

He did try to swap some skills and gears to optimized the time. But his key pieces are BOP, 5 pcs Akkhan with Ring of royal granduer, 2 pcs born set. His CDR is around 45%
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Faster make one lightning build T6 viable and prove them wrong!!
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 23 2014, 12:57 PM)
Ahh mannercookie, while I like the burst he's giving, I don't like his survivability. But his build is legit and his gears are good and that's the only Crus build that can do T6 now, no captn murica nor thor builds can win that. Fire = 404 not found.
You'll get upgrades and reach T3 and you'll then have to ditch them and change element.
I too started with a Maximus, and still only have a good maximus. no gryf's, no BoP, no FotF. Looted a darklight, tried lightning, shit's good but not as good as jekang.
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Faster make one lightning build T6 viable and prove them wrong!!
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Dont think I so lucky to get the Akkhan set. Been almost 1 week, dry as Selangor Dam.
Also, Mannercookie did test out Lightning build. Not viable.
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Dont think I so lucky to get the Akkhan set. Been almost 1 week, dry as Selangor Dam.
Also, Mannercookie did test out Lightning build. Not viable.
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I'm on 4, got a double gloves. But rolls aren't too great. Will still try it out when I get the gears though, interesting set mechanics.

What lightning build he tested, can you generate and paste it here?

With upcoming changes in rune elements, I'm suspecting blizzard might make fire/lightning builds work better end game. But that's a bit far stretched, we all know blizz hate crusader.
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 23 2014, 03:22 PM)
I'm on 4, got a double gloves. But rolls aren't too great. Will still try it out when I get the gears though, interesting set mechanics.

What lightning build he tested, can you generate and paste it here?

With upcoming changes in rune elements, I'm suspecting blizzard might make fire/lightning builds work better end game. But that's a bit far stretched, we all know blizz hate crusader.
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I think he tested Fissure, Falling Sword.
Try look at his twitch.tv video: http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie/c/4112019 I think that the recording about lightning build what I saw 1 day ago.

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QUOTE(mikelanding @ Apr 23 2014, 03:41 PM)
I think he tested Fissure, Falling Sword.
Try look at his twitch.tv video: http://www.twitch.tv/mannercookie/c/4112019 I think that the recording about lightning build what I saw 1 day ago.
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It's really hard to make falling sword fit into any build.

The time it takes to fall and the knockback it gives, not helping. Though I must say the AoE lightning is not bad at all. I see falling sword as the 7sided strike of crusader. Flashy and useless.

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yeps. a balance of all elemental would be great. if not everyone is aiming for holy dmg only.
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 23 2014, 03:46 PM)
It's really hard to make falling sword fit into any build.

The time it takes to fall and the knockback it gives, not helping. Though I must say the AoE lightning is not bad at all. I see falling sword as the 7sided strike of crusader. Flashy and useless.
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theres a 2handed sword that can let you spam it a few times in a row.

couple that with some cooldown reductions, and akarat set, then maybe ..... hmm.gif
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This is probly the way to go for t6
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This is probly the way to go for t6
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hm... I see Blessed Shield can only be diversified into lighting or fire dmg... so this is for lighting / fire build?
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hm... I see Blessed Shield can only be diversified into lighting or fire dmg... so this is for lighting / fire build?
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fire can stack on glove and chest. chest even has the resource reduction. so i'm guessing fire hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 24 2014, 02:17 AM)
fire can stack on glove and chest. chest even has the resource reduction. so i'm guessing fire  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 23 2014, 07:44 PM)
theres a 2handed sword that can let you spam it a few times in a row.

couple that with some cooldown reductions, and akarat set, then maybe .....  hmm.gif
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Have it, useless because of the knock back. Even if I turn a blind eye to the casting animation, the knock back scatters mobs too far to make things efficient again. And because of the animation. You can only cast twice with that blade. Compared to BoP's condemn+unleashed rune, too inferior.

Still can't get my gryf's. Going by T4 with Skycutter.....

Blessed Shield Fire/Lightning? Shattering Throw with stacked Holy = rape.

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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 24 2014, 01:10 PM)
Have it, useless because of the knock back. Even if I turn a blind eye to the casting animation, the knock back scatters mobs too far to make things efficient again. And because of the animation. You can only cast twice with that blade. Compared to BoP's condemn+unleashed rune, too inferior.

Still can't get my gryf's. Going by T4 with Skycutter.....

Blessed Shield Fire/Lightning? Shattering Throw with stacked Holy = rape.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Xyreon-6190/hero/44156441
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another guy was telling me condemn build is op.

he use with the sword for condemn effect, and also reduce cooldown gear. and akarat champion - rally smile.gif and iron skin - flash

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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 24 2014, 01:10 PM)
Have it, useless because of the knock back. Even if I turn a blind eye to the casting animation, the knock back scatters mobs too far to make things efficient again. And because of the animation. You can only cast twice with that blade. Compared to BoP's condemn+unleashed rune, too inferior.

Still can't get my gryf's. Going by T4 with Skycutter.....

Blessed Shield Fire/Lightning? Shattering Throw with stacked Holy = rape.

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 24 2014, 01:38 PM)
another guy was telling me condemn build is op.

he use with the sword for condemn effect, and also reduce cooldown gear. and akarat champion - rally  smile.gif and iron skin - flash
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It's not THAT OP. But going up to 100m damage one shot-ing elite packs is nothing surprising with that, which is why I said that falling sword can never win condemn. The only good rune it has is prolly the lightning one due to the AOE, but still.. knock back f* this skill too much to be good.

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may I ask, default BS is holy attack of physical?
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Holy. First rune lightning, Second rune fire, others all holy as well.

Holy can easily transition to end game. At least for the current meta.


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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 24 2014, 02:53 PM)
It's not THAT OP. But going up to 100m damage one shot-ing elite packs is nothing surprising with that, which is why I said that falling sword can never win condemn. The only good rune it has is prolly the lightning one due to the AOE, but still.. knock back f* this skill too much to be good.
Holy. First rune lightning, Second rune fire, others all holy as well.

Holy can easily transition to end game. At least for the current meta.
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Thanks for telling! That means the passive holy stack skill will help too woo!!!

But need to get Gyfalcon first... sad.gif
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QUOTE(Vorador @ Apr 25 2014, 10:10 AM)
Thanks for telling! That means the passive holy stack skill will help too woo!!!

But need to get Gyfalcon first...  sad.gif
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Towering shield helps boost damage as well.
Their tooltip is either wrong or this is a bug u can abuse right now.
They take into account TOTAL block chance where towering shield gives you 25% when capped and not blocking for 10 seconds. Since Murica builds you need to stand far so this is very viable. I did it yesterday and usually the first pack after I clean the last takes a lot more damage due to full block chance. This is also why people tend to ask shield builds to go Justice Lantern or Helm of Rule so that block chance is high. However I cannot for the love of Akarat give up a SoJ and a Andy's when playing element attack speed spender build.

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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 25 2014, 10:49 AM)
Towering shield helps boost damage as well.
Their tooltip is either wrong or this is a bug u can abuse right now.
They take into account TOTAL block chance where towering shield gives you 25% when capped and not blocking for 10 seconds. Since Murica builds you need to stand far so this is very viable. I did it yesterday and usually the first pack after I clean the last takes a lot more damage due to full block chance. This is also why people tend to ask shield builds to go Justice Lantern or Helm of Rule so that block chance is high. However I cannot for the love of Akarat give up a SoJ and a Andy's when playing element attack speed spender build.
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hm... took me a while to figure this out. Yeah increase block chance = more dmg to BS.
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Just found a blade of prophecy. Can test it but i dont have much cool down reduction to maximize this build. Need 50% cdr i heard

Wep 10, paragon 10, crimson set 2 piece 10. Where to get remainder 20?

Glove, amy, ring ?

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Manner cookie utilize akarat rally for condemn build i think

Dont forget gem also can reduce the cd. Slot in helm

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 25 2014, 01:32 PM)
Just found a blade of prophecy. Can test it but i dont have much cool down reduction to maximize this build. Need 50% cdr i heard

Wep 10, paragon 10, crimson set 2 piece 10. Where to get remainder 20?

Glove, amy, ring ?
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Ammy 8, Shoulder 8, ring 7, Glove 8, Helm 12% (dont put 12.5 because it's bugged). Weapons can get 10, Born's 3 set 10.

Also, it's not additive, so it's not 10+10+10+20 = 50 lol.

Formula is 1-((1-10%)*(1-10%)) etc.

Multiplicative.

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Paper dps = crap

On paper dps I only have 300k, I'm holy build with Fist of the heaven skills + Darklight flair.

Critical 2.5-3mil Condemn critical for 9-10mil.

Cooldown reduction 38%, 20% Holy dmg.

I always run T2 in party.

There is no tank in Diablo, kill fast + run when danger on that spot.
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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ Apr 25 2014, 03:56 PM)
Paper dps = crap

On paper dps I only have 300k, I'm holy build with Fist of the heaven skills + Darklight flair. 

Critical 2.5-3mil Condemn critical for 9-10mil.

Cooldown reduction 38%, 20% Holy dmg.

I always run T2 in party.

There is no tank in Diablo, kill fast + run when danger on that spot.
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cool story u have there bru. no tank monks can go cry themselves or just delete the class from game.

indeed paper dps mean nothing. Pretty sure everyone has past this point.

I'm on 82% holy, my eDPS is 1.4m, to elite is 1.6m. Sheet dps is 800k only.

Using Skycutter. Blessed shield Crits One shield throw 7-9m. To elite 12-16m. 2 shields out per second, bounce 9 mobs + shattering throw.

http://jleight.com/d3ps/

Use this to calculate.


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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 25 2014, 01:32 PM)
Just found a blade of prophecy. Can test it but i dont have much cool down reduction to maximize this build. Need 50% cdr i heard

Wep 10, paragon 10, crimson set 2 piece 10. Where to get remainder 20?

Glove, amy, ring ?
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Helm with diamond gem
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Im going for capt malaysia build shatter shield throw thing.

Lacking of gear but im using burst of wrath 2 hand sword + a rare shield
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Found a mortal drama 2.6 k dps lightning with str vit cdr max wrath.

Do i reroll vit or cdr for socket.

Its 1000+ vit or 7% cooldown reduc.

I undersand bomba builds are very cdr intensive , but is it worth losing 1k vit ? Or can i make up the cdr elsewhere to still have a viable cdr to spam bombatdment ?

Also what build do people recommend for this new wep?


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Hello to all the Sifus Crusader here! notworthy.gif

Newbie Crusader reporting in rclxm9.gif

Siu dai here is a bit lost in the path of crusade, hope some sifus can give me some guidance.. sad.gif

I've been thinking that, a 1handed weapon or 2handed weapon is the crusader best friend?

I've tried both personally, 1handed give me the attack speed boost and it's fun to spam skill but the dps is much lower... But on the other hand, 2handed gives good damage but slower down my movement speed and damage sad.gif

I've also facing that, crusader has a lot skills with damn long cool down time (those with massive damages like Bombardment). How you guys overcome this? Is it using Akarat's Champion (Rally)? Or just ignore Bombardment and spam other skills instead?

This is my profile:-
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/jchan-6774/hero/43715877

And I would like to have guidance from the sifus in here regarding these 2 weapons, which you prefer? or both can be salvage shocking.gif

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This weapon, which stats should be roll away for Socket? My main damages now are holy, does the poison will affect my damages?

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Is this a good weapon? If it a good weapon, which status should be roll and which stat I should get?

Hope to get some guide from all the sifus here, thanks in advance!
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Darklight is good for lightning build.
FotH - Fissure.
Stack lightning damage and the arc does respectable damage.

Imho, an option you can consider in enchanting is to turn the lightning damage to to a higher dps normal damage to fully take advantage of your 10% damage immediately (conversely, you can wait for the bug-fix). 2.3k++ dps

There is one downside to the darklight build, which is stacking lightning damage when the accepted conventional "end-game" route is to stack holy damage.

Use provoke-charged up with your shield glare to keep refilling mana to continuously spam FotH.

In the argument between 1H or 2H is better, if your only options are stalgard's vs. darklight, imho again, darklight wins.

Using the 1H route tho, even tho weapon dps *may* be not too far off (2.3k vs 2.7k is only 17% off) , weapon damage itself is far lower than 2H due to the attack speed and may not be optimal for high cooldown burst skills, therefore I would avoid bombardment.

All this is my personal opinion, based on my limited knowledge and subject to change.

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P.s: I've tried the darklight build before and it clears T1 rather quickly but I still prefer the condemn route.
P.p.s: 1H's best choice is http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/gyrfalcons-foote with http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/jekangbord

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 26 2014, 07:42 PM)
Found a mortal drama 2.6 k dps lightning with str vit cdr max wrath.

Do i reroll vit or cdr for socket.

Its 1000+ vit or 7% cooldown reduc.

I undersand bomba builds are very cdr intensive , but is it worth losing 1k vit ? Or can i make up the cdr elsewhere to still have a viable cdr to spam bombatdment ?

Also what build do people recommend for this new wep?
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You can get 7% CDR from most slots easily but you will need 1.5-2 slots (usually) to get 1000+ vit.
Based on that I will keep the vit.

No idea on bomb builds sad.gif

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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 27 2014, 10:27 AM)
Darklight is good for lightning build.
FotH - Fissure.
Stack lightning damage and the arc does respectable damage.

Imho, an option you can consider in enchanting is to turn the lightning damage to to a higher dps normal damage to fully take advantage of your 10% damage immediately (conversely, you can wait for the bug-fix). 2.3k++ dps

There is one downside to the darklight build, which is stacking lightning damage when the accepted conventional "end-game" route is to stack holy damage.

Use provoke-charged up with your shield glare to keep refilling mana to continuously spam FotH.

In the argument between 1H or 2H is better, if your only options are stalgard's vs. darklight, imho again, darklight wins.

Using the 1H route tho, even tho weapon dps *may* be not too far off (2.3k vs 2.7k is only 17% off) , weapon damage itself is far lower than 2H due to the attack speed and may not be optimal for high cooldown burst skills, therefore I would avoid bombardment.

All this is my personal opinion, based on my limited knowledge and subject to change.

Cheers

P.s: I've tried the darklight build before and it clears T1 rather quickly but I still prefer the condemn route.
P.p.s: 1H's best choice is http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/gyrfalcons-foote with http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/jekangbord
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I've tried as your advice works pretty well biggrin.gif

Seems like I have to start building up lighting build for now hmm.gif
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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 27 2014, 10:27 AM)

There is one downside to the darklight build, which is stacking lightning damage when the accepted conventional "end-game" route is to stack holy .
This is spot on. Interesting enough other skills builds are also affected.

Bombardment is physical....... fire stacking for stuff like blessed combust also conflicts.

It all comes down to not getting the benefit of holy cause our primary heal skill for holy dmg.....
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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 27 2014, 10:30 AM)
You can get 7% CDR from most slots easily but you will need 1.5-2 slots (usually) to get 1000+ vit.
Based on that I will keep the vit.

No idea on bomb builds sad.gif
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Thk u.

The reason i ask is cause im not originally cdr stacked so not experienced with cdr heavy builds or bombardment. Guess that helps.

I also found a blade of prohecy with holy , str, cdr 10 and socket. Is 2.5k ish dps though.

For t6 do i bop or drama ?
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That sounds like a good BoP.
Keep rerolling until u get high dps holy dmg. (Easier said than done tho. my reroll cost for my BoP is 1mil+ per try now -.-)

I can do T4 max (solo inefficiently) only, can't comment on T6 lol.

With regards to CDR, the efficient way to do it is max rolls on slots due to diminishing returns.

Example. 5 slots of 8 CDR will give u 34.1 % (sum 40%) but 6 slots of 7 CDR will give 35.2% (sum 42%) there is a 1% penalty, penalty grows as more slots are used.

I had a theorycraft for crafted crus gears (shit luck on crus. 150+ hours only 2 akkhan, don't think i will ever complete, but then again, no RoRG as well)

Chest - Born's Frozen Soul
Shoulder - Born's Privilege
Bracer - Aughild's Search
Helm - Aughild's Spike
Gloves - Cain's Scriviner
Boots - Cain's Travelers
Belt - Captain Crimson's Silk Girdle
Pants - Captain Crimson's Thrust


Bonus Exp - 70%
Regen - 2000
AR - 50
Life - 15%
DR Melee - 7%
DR Range - 7%
DR Elites - 15%
Elite Dmg - 15%
Attack Speed - 8%
CDR - 20%
RRC - 10%
MF - 50%

With Bonus x2 @ 10%, BoP 10%, Gloves, Shoulder, Shield, and 1 ring 8% and 12% gem, Paragon 10% you will get a 59% real CDR (55% if you lose 1 8% CDR slot) in total, have all the set bonuses, and yet still maintain a very respectable dps and toughness.

A real alternative to Akkhan as its firstly very hard to complete, and secondly hard to get good rolls on all slots.

Now if only RNG will give me that RoRG. sad.gif

Disclaimer: Based on my limited understanding of mechanics as well. Correct me where I'm wrong.
Edit: Cain's 2pc can be replaced by Asheera's 2pc same slots for a lot more survivability at higher torment. Personally I'm aiming for efficient T4. T4 to T6 to do at the same level you need, survive double the dmg, deal triple the dps and only get double exp and gold. lol. So many things to achieve for seemingly not much additonal benefit.

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For comparison, Cookie has 45% real CDR on top of his 50% Akarats.
So his real Akarat's CDR is 72.5% with 50% (possibly plus 10% paragon) cost reduction as well.

With brings us to calculate Manner's 20/22.95 @ 87% Akarat's uptime vs. 20/36.9 @54.2% Akarat's uptime.

Still a big difference in uptime :/
But I'm hoping good enough as we still have to move through packs. Def won't be as mobile as cookie.

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If you use crimdon set you wont get akkhan bonus, or you replace reaper wraps .... makes me wonder if crimson is worth the trouble.

Good info on cdr. But does paragon cdr and crimson count as a socket each ?
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Hi fellow crus. Currently i still cant really decide on what type of crus that should i focusing on.

Currently im running holy crus with FotH (Divine Well rune)
I stacked holy damage at bracer (reaper wrap) , shield (hallowed protector), and stone of jordan (holy)

In my inventory have some other BiS item for fire and lightning as well.

For fire :
Magefist (can be rolled to trifecta), 2.7k dps of Maximus, and also Fire shoe(forget the name)

Now i planning to try FotH lightning build, i already crafted Lightning holy wrap (str,vit, cc) , i also have another SoJ (lightning), Andariel (lightning)... to complete it i currently hunt for lightning lidless wall.

I dont know either FotH (fissure) or FotH (Divine) better.


I also had read that currently Condemn build is more reliable on higher torment.

Im glad that in my stash have 4 piece of arkhan (i need 1 more piece to have complete set bonus as i already have royal ring too and also a BoP.

I need to decide it soon as it is better i geared toward end game, but i so enjoy my flashy FotH style (but only viable at lower tormemt)

What u say guys?
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The build depend on what your gear. But endgame or High torment, Holy/ Condem build is very viable.
Blade of Prophecy make extra 2X condemn. Each crit up to 20+mil or more.
Once U got akkhan 6 pcs bonus, you can keep spamming Condemn as long as your Akkarat Champion is up.
Mannercookie had showcase this condemn build very well in his youtube and twitch channels. I was his stream almost every night.

I only got 2 akkhan pcs now. BOP just drop for me yesterday. I will keep farming for my akkan pcs and then decide to convert to condem build and craft some Reduced CD set.

Note: I am now lighting build with blessed hammer/justice.
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Looking at cookie manners bop akkhan condemn build i agree with his explanation and is what i am aiming for now.

So time to stack cdr.

What sold me was his defensive and offensive and almost instant akarat champ recast. All the criteria i wNted addressed, even the explanation how he manages to use less all resistance with thr help of secondary stat reduce elite dmg affixes to be able to gem for more str for 10k.


just to share my opinion on my build i'm switching away from.

1. shield bash - feels a bit slow. like there is a slight delay between spaming sb after another. feels like an internal cooldown. i wish it didn't do that. also pound has a really small radius, which is another down side.

2. on t6 i cannot tank long periods at all. also the wolf shield damage doesn't seem to be much impact on t6. until they buff buff wolf shield, i don't think i'd use that for t6 for now, seeing as there better shields for t6.

3. punish celerity better off replacing for blessed shield using a jaekobong shield to empower it more.

4. and the biggest reason i am moving away from fell of fate and heavens fury, is it the dots from hf does not proc rally..... probly not an issue if your using eberli charlo i suppose, but still u would want hf to work with rally to reduce cooldown for your other spells.

5. a condemn + akarat champ - rally and blessed shield seems the best method using akkhan set with blade of prophecy in t6. the role would be for the crussder to nuke groups of creeps deads quick. this will be my new role in group play in t6.

6. for survivability i will try toning down ares gems to compensate using elite dmg reduction on secondary, so i can use more str gems.

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Since release people have been saying CDR + ele dmg is the way to go for crus. Now people are believing it. Before that all still stacking "Aspd" and go "Trifecta". Lel.

3* T6 builds so far that works really well but very gear dependent.

1. CDR Condemn Build AC with Akkhan.
2. ASPD build with Gyrfalcon's Foote + Jekangbord.
Edit : 3. Commander build, CDR Akkhan with Baleful Remnant and shield bash.

I've got 5 akkhan set pieces and a RoRG just need a freaking BoP to make shits possible.

Or just a gyrfalcon's.

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It's painful to be an under-gear Crusader...

While many of you crusader player there are owning all the high end gears for you to play different builds, many are still struggling as a low-end crusader (like mine) who don't have any good weapon to spam out skill.

I'm currently wielding a 2H weapon and using heavenly strength. What's happen was sometime I happen to got a right full of FAST RUNNING BAST**D. Like those ghost, sand wasp, small spider and so. And many of these fast running monster are good at running away from you, and come back doing guerrilla attack while you're swarmed by other elites...

Today I'm so 'lucky' to kena 2 groups of elites: 1 Group of champion sand wasp and 1 Yellow elite of Ghost. Both are "FAST, EXTRA HEALTH", one of them got nightmarish while another got jail. It's one of the most frustrating fight I ever encountered since playing D3... darn all of them easily out run my slow ass Crusader and runaway whenever I hit them once... it took me close to 20 minutes to clear them...

well I still hoping for a Gryfalcon... wanna go take revenge on all these jokers!!!
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I am running cruz at 400k dps and 1mil toughness. I can tank easily in T1 but take a d**n long time to kill creeps.

Running lightning build fulminator ( thats all i foudn right now) lightning belt... hammer throw plus blessed hammer +50% each.

Still tough... add me biggrin.gif #rawness6261
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 28 2014, 12:14 AM)
Looking at cookie manners bop akkhan condemn build i agree with his explanation and is what i am aiming for now.

So time to stack cdr.

What sold me was his defensive and offensive and almost instant akarat champ recast. All the criteria i wNted addressed, even the explanation how he manages to use less all resistance with thr help of secondary stat reduce elite dmg affixes to be able to gem for more str for 10k.
just to share my opinion on my build i'm switching away from.

1. shield bash - feels a bit slow. like there is a slight delay between spaming sb after another. feels like an internal cooldown. i wish it didn't do that. also pound has a really small radius, which is another down side.

2. on t6 i cannot tank long periods at all. also the wolf shield damage doesn't seem to be much impact on t6. until they buff buff wolf shield, i don't think i'd use that for t6 for now, seeing as there better shields for t6.

3. punish celerity better off replacing for blessed shield using a jaekobong shield to empower it more.

4. and the biggest reason i am moving away from fell of fate and heavens fury, is it the dots from hf does not proc rally..... probly not an issue if your using eberli charlo i suppose, but still u would want hf to work with rally to reduce cooldown for your other spells.

5. a condemn + akarat champ - rally and blessed shield seems the best method using akkhan set with blade of prophecy in t6. the role would be for the crussder to nuke groups of creeps deads quick. this will be my new role in group play in t6.

6. for survivability i will try toning down ares gems to compensate using elite dmg reduction on secondary, so i can use more str gems.
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Yup just watched his vid on BS.
Works well. Time to rest my WD and go back to crus lol
Too bad my jekang only 4 bounce.
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Is it a good combination jekang + BoP with Arkhan set? If using full set bonus arkhan set. (Assuming royal ring is equipped) do we still need reaper wrath?
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QUOTE(Vorador @ Apr 28 2014, 01:30 PM)
It's painful to be an under-gear Crusader...

While many of you crusader player there are owning all the high end gears for you to play different builds, many are still struggling as a low-end crusader (like mine) who don't have any good weapon to spam out skill.

I'm currently wielding a 2H weapon and using heavenly strength. What's happen was sometime I happen to got a right full of FAST RUNNING BAST**D. Like those ghost, sand wasp, small spider and so. And many of these fast running monster are good at running away from you, and come back doing guerrilla attack while you're swarmed by other elites...

Today I'm so 'lucky' to kena 2 groups of elites: 1 Group of champion sand wasp and 1 Yellow elite of  Ghost. Both are "FAST, EXTRA HEALTH", one of them got nightmarish while another got jail. It's one of the most frustrating fight I ever encountered since playing D3... darn all of them easily out run my slow ass Crusader and runaway whenever I hit them once... it took me close to 20 minutes to clear them...

well I still hoping for a Gryfalcon... wanna go take revenge on all these jokers!!!
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And people are looking down on a 1Hander saying there's not enough damage. Neglecting the Aspd and the movespeed.

I run with a Skycutter. A 1handed +holy weapon. I rape better than my 2Hander due to Ele dmg, more hits per sec, and runs faster, and I don't use long CD skills for burst. Of course, it isn't end game, but from lagging behind my team in T2, to carrying them in T3, with just one weapon change and build change. Feelsgoodmang.jpg

Everyone was under-geared at some point. Heck I can't even get one of the three "great weapons" of the crusader. Under-geared crusader is really painful because this class is too gear dependent. Which is no longer an issue after playing for long but I hate it when luck plays huge part in making you "geared".

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Is it a good combination jekang + BoP with Arkhan set? If using full set bonus arkhan set. (Assuming royal ring is equipped) do we still need reaper wrath?
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Safe to say as long as you use blessed shield as a spender, Jekang is the best shield.

When using BoP you'll mainly want to focus CDR. Blessed shield should be a "Downtime" skill where all your skills will be on CD. The idea is to get to 0 CD eventually though so by then you can prolly change a different skill.

Only if you have less than say... 5-10 seconds downtime, then you can take away wraps. If not, it's still BiS.

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today i completed arkhan full set bonus (5 piece + royal ring) and i did tested BoP, but i think currently the build is still not viable to me due to : im low lvl paragon. just P170, if i want to go for cdr, i will lose my cd which boost the dmg.

and my royal ring have quite bad roll... hmm i think i need to farm GG royal ring as well.
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QUOTE(KruteX @ Apr 28 2014, 11:01 PM)
today i completed arkhan full set bonus (5 piece + royal ring) and i did tested BoP, but i think currently the build is still not viable to me due to : im low lvl paragon. just P170, if i want to go for cdr, i will lose my cd which boost the dmg.

and my royal ring have quite bad roll... hmm i think i need to farm GG royal ring as well.
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I think the condemn arkhan build only viable and strong enough if you at higher torment level where your cc,cd and cdr at max level. UNLESS you had a really good roll on your eq. Sigh, i guess need use +exp equipment while rifting and do bounties.
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Can't wait to get my hands on a gryfalcon foote! Being doing a lof of Rifts n kadala is being a b*%#¥ as always... Blessed shield (shattering throw) is just too awesome paired with jekangbord... Can't imagine having gryfalcon....

My next enchant for jekangbord cost me 750k ... rclxub.gif so hard to get cc? shakehead.gif

On a side note, do any of you good ppl play hardcore mode?

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QUOTE(gh0sty @ Apr 29 2014, 08:36 AM)
Can't wait to get my hands on a gryfalcon foote! Being doing a lof of Rifts n kadala is being a b*%#¥ as always... Blessed shield (shattering throw) is just too awesome paired with jekangbord... Can't imagine having gryfalcon....

My next enchant for jekangbord cost me 750k ...  rclxub.gif  so hard to get cc?  shakehead.gif

On a side note, do any of you good ppl play hardcore mode?
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same here, am aiming this flail for so long to do multi missles build sweat.gif

Initially I want the flail which give you 3 wrath of heaven rays, but I think with all the elemental dmg stack + aspd, this build prevail~
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Basically for a crusader, it won't be viable unless equip with the legendary which boost crusader skills.

CDR build, Blesses Shield Build etc

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hoo hoo just now curi play in office, my slow ass crusader kena 2 groups of foes: 1 group of champion succubus and 1 group of champion morlu incinerator. wow it's a big pain fighting them while the girls running around and the morlu keep teleporting away..
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QUOTE(Vorador @ Apr 29 2014, 10:25 AM)
same here, am aiming this flail for so long to do multi missles build  sweat.gif 

Initially I want the flail which give you 3 wrath of heaven rays, but I think with all the elemental dmg stack + aspd, this build prevail~
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I got both gryfalcon foote and jekang, the damage not impressive though, need to change my build and get good gears.
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im using maximus and jekang..pump fire and blessed shield dmg..now got 9~10m crit and doing well in t3
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http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/21583/a...hat-s-in-store/

"Reducing Tyrael's Chatter
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Since release people have been saying CDR + ele dmg is the way to go for crus. Now people are believing it. Before that all still stacking "Aspd" and go "Trifecta". Lel.

3* T6 builds so far that works really well but very gear dependent.

1. CDR Condemn Build AC with Akkhan.
2. ASPD build with Gyrfalcon's Foote + Jekangbord.
Edit : 3. Commander build, CDR Akkhan with Baleful Remnant and shield bash.

I've got 5 akkhan set pieces and a RoRG just need a freaking BoP to make shits possible.

Or just a gyrfalcon's.
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well i was trying to believe crusader can get a similar result like my d2 zealadin paladin. gave up on that till they make that viable (which i seriously doubt). even galileo said go out and try for yourself before you make assumption >->; how else to learn.

how does aspd work with gyrfalcon ? i understand it's not cdr based, but i don't recall it being aspd either doh.gif


for the condemn build, i also use blessed shield with jaekobong. reaper wraps regens my resource back.

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Where did u get that? drool.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 30 2014, 09:17 AM)
well i was trying to believe crusader can get a similar result like my d2 zealadin paladin. gave up on that till they make that viable (which i seriously doubt). even galileo said go out and try for yourself before you make assumption >->; how else to learn.

how does aspd work with gyrfalcon ? i understand it's not cdr based, but i don't recall it being aspd either doh.gif
for the condemn build, i also use blessed shield with jaekobong. reaper wraps regens my resource back.
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That a bad roll unfortunately. No Str, No socket.
If you really want to use it, try reroll reduce resource cost to socket.
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well i was trying to believe crusader can get a similar result like my d2 zealadin paladin. gave up on that till they make that viable (which i seriously doubt). even galileo said go out and try for yourself before you make assumption >->; how else to learn.

how does aspd work with gyrfalcon ? i understand it's not cdr based, but i don't recall it being aspd either doh.gif
for the condemn build, i also use blessed shield with jaekobong. reaper wraps regens my resource back.
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Because faster shield throws.

Last I see my shields are hitting 7-9m on white and 12-16m on elites. Throwing at 1.8 shields per second. Imagine if I can make it throw 2 shields per second? Pretty darn good.

As long as it's spender focused, ASPD is always good, except well, shield bash..... which I'm pretty sure it's an animation bug.

I'm now on FotF god's shotgun build, and ASPD still helps a lot because once law of valor - unstoppable force is activated, I use 50% lesser wrath in 5 seconds, so I need to make sure to ditch out the most within that time frame. Attack speed helps with that.

CDR however, helps that the cooldown of the law comes in quicker so that you're ready for next elite pack. It really depends on your style then but ASPD does help. I took a different approach, which is RCR + ASPD. Which means with Law activated, I can spam HF-FoH for around 10 times before my wrath goes dry. And all my QWER (1234) slots are wrath generation and not burst.

QUOTE(vonzipper @ Apr 30 2014, 10:55 AM)
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Definitely RCR to socket. With this weapon you want to use condemn builds and all condemn builds are CDR based. This weapon always roll CDR anyway.

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Definitely RCR to socket. With this weapon you want to use condemn builds and all condemn builds are CDR based. This weapon always roll CDR anyway.
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This is why they shouldn't be crying when kena nerf.. If you choose to show off then face the consequences of Blizz nerf hammer.
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Do take note that he also have Harrington waistguard. Buff this dmg to over 100%. I got this too. My condemn is normally 14mil. With Harrington buff, can go up to 30mil.
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wow kapitan murica build, I just dun have that falcon + jekang lel
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I think BS build won`t be nerfed. As it has it own weakness such as inefficient against single target such as high torment rift boss. Plus, having a jekang and glyfacon wont be magic door for you to survive and kill eficiently in higher torment as well. You still need other set item which focusing on increase aspd, and dmg to elite. Plus a good royal ring.
Last but not least you still need high torment lvl where your paragon aspd, cc and cd at high level.

So i conclude that this build wont be nerf as it take a lot of effort and time to achieve this state.

Just my 2 cents. Please correct me if im wrong. smile.gif
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Ah kadala gave me a jeksngbord im happy althouh it hits up to 4 additional targets only.

now falcon foote is the final piece
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[quote=vonzipper,Apr 30 2014, 05:08 PM]
Definitely RCR to socket. With this weapon you want to use condemn builds and all condemn builds are CDR based. This weapon always roll CDR anyway.
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Second BoP.... bad roll also.. reroll vitality for socket?
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ok la not really bad. reroll vit to OS.
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QUOTE(KruteX @ May 1 2014, 02:53 AM)
I think BS build won`t be nerfed. As it has it own weakness such as inefficient against single target such as high torment rift boss. Plus, having a jekang and glyfacon wont be magic door for you to survive and  kill eficiently in higher torment as well. You still need other set item which focusing on increase aspd, and dmg to elite. Plus a good royal ring.
Last but not least you still need high torment lvl where your paragon aspd, cc and cd at high level.

So i conclude that this build wont be nerf as it take a lot of effort and time to achieve this state.

Just my 2 cents. Please correct me if im wrong. smile.gif
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You are right, please enjoy the video below. Made by the same person that cleared rifts with ONLY blessed shield skill. When ppl call it nerf/OP, he made this video.




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Done..!! icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Vit to socket yes. And I'm yet to get one BoP, what the hell...
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You are right, please enjoy the video below. Made by the same person that cleared rifts with ONLY blessed shield skill. When ppl call it nerf/OP, he made this video.


Vit to socket yes. And I'm yet to get one BoP, what the hell...
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Whoops.

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I share this video too regarding Blessed Shield build. But Mannercookie had BOP. So it is like BS + Condemn build. I testing on my cruz. Clearing trash with BS. Single target pop Akkarat, spam condemn, provoke, Phannax Bowman.
Rift clearing speed is faster compare to using Foth as Wrath dump.


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Whoops.
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At the moment, my crusader have 42% CC. I just obtain Jekangboard but no CC roll into it. I got Jekang with socket. So I decide to give a shot to change the socket into something else. First try I already got max blessed shield 15% increase damage. My previous shield have lower str stats, 13% increase damage for Blessed Shield and 10% CC. When I compare my old shield with new Jekangboard, my damage drop around 12% (from around 900k to around 820k). I wonder if it worth it to keep 15% increase blessed shield or change to get highest CC from jekang because CC increase my overall damage. I also notice that the blessed shield damage when equip my old shield with my new jekang not much different but with new jekang, the damage increase abit around 100~300k. Need advice/suggestion on it.

P/S: I also trying new observation. While waiting for akharat helm, I obtain Mempo and change the Aspd to +15% increase blessed shield damage.
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Hello to all sifus,

Apprentice here wanna ask which stats should be roll for Cric Chance ar?

Thanks in advance for the tips biggrin.gif

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Hello to all sifus,

Apprentice here wanna ask which stats should be roll for Cric Chance ar?

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Reroll the socket. If possible, get 11% block chance. Higher block chance = higher blessed shield damage.
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QUOTE(jimchan @ May 4 2014, 09:39 AM)
Hello to all sifus,

Apprentice here wanna ask which stats should be roll for Cric Chance ar?

Thanks in advance for the tips biggrin.gif

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20% block chance wow
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ May 4 2014, 10:02 AM)
Reroll the socket. If possible, get 11% block chance. Higher block chance = higher blessed shield damage.
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Thx for the tips but if reroll for block chance my crit chance will be lower than 50% already wor.. is it okay?
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Thx for the tips but if reroll for block chance my crit chance will be lower than 50% already wor.. is it okay?
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Eh how come if reroll for block chance will reduce your crit chance? If I were you, I gonna take out the socket and replace it with block chance or maybe CC. Which ever that can reach max stats.
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QUOTE(PirateKing @ May 4 2014, 12:02 PM)
Eh how come if reroll for block chance will reduce your crit chance? If I were you, I gonna take out the socket and replace it with block chance or maybe CC. Which ever that can reach max stats.
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Because my current shield got 9.5% cric chance ma.. If this shield without that then my cric chance will drop lo..

Need another advise, for this weapon which stats should be reroll for socket?

Thanks for the advise!!

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Thx for the tips but if reroll for block chance my crit chance will be lower than 50% already wor.. is it okay?
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Should not be a problem is around 40% ish for CC.
I running much lower CC because I need high Cooldown reduction for Condemn build. I still using Blessed shield for clearing trash.

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QUOTE(jimchan @ May 4 2014, 12:53 PM)
Because my current shield got 9.5% cric chance ma.. If this shield without that then my cric chance will drop lo..

Need another advise, for this weapon which stats should be reroll for socket?

Thanks for the advise!!

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Yes. reroll life per hit to socket. The dmg for this weapon is high. Good roll I would said
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Yes. reroll life per hit to socket. The dmg for this weapon is high. Good roll I would said
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Wish me luck hopefully can get socket inwithin few roll coz I'm running out of Forgotten Soul cry.gif
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Dear fellow crusader, i just got blade of prophecy :

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Chance to deal 24% area damage
Reduce cooldown of all skills by 6%

Which stat should i roll for socket? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(jimchan @ May 4 2014, 12:53 PM)
Because my current shield got 9.5% cric chance ma.. If this shield without that then my cric chance will drop lo..

Need another advise, for this weapon which stats should be reroll for socket?

Thanks for the advise!!

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Wow nice where did u find it?
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Found it during rift in Torment 3 biggrin.gif
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With that foote u can go t4/5 with ease.

i only have jekangbord waiting for foote to drop lel
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Dear fellow crusader, i just got blade of prophecy :

Primary:
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1044 strength
Chance to deal 24% area damage
Reduce cooldown of all skills by 6%

Which stat should i roll for socket?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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With that foote u can go t4/5 with ease.

i only have jekangbord waiting for foote to drop lel
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Tried rifting T4 with friends earlier, the damages really awesome!!

But during 1 on 1 the blessed shield didn't work pretty well sad.gif
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Tried rifting T4 with friends earlier, the damages really awesome!!

But during 1 on 1 the blessed shield didn't work pretty well sad.gif
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its a known fact that capt America build is lacking in the 1 target area.
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Single target, I always have Heaven't Fury/ Bowmen or Condemn/ Bowmen on standby.
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Single target, I always have Heaven't Fury/ Bowmen or Condemn/ Bowmen on standby.
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Bowmen is really effective during 1 on 1 mob and the cooldown is awesome!! biggrin.gif
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Finally I got Mortal Drama from Kadala after nearly 6k shards + 6 days playing Crusader.

45% CDR, love the bombardment:-)

I'm always on group play on t3, tank + burst dmg.

I'm still looking for Fate of The Fell!! Do anyone of u got it from Kadala before ?


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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 08:30 AM)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/GuguJia...9/hero/45116729

Finally I got Mortal Drama from Kadala after nearly 6k shards + 6 days playing Crusader.

45% CDR, love the bombardment:-)

I'm always on group play on t3, tank + burst dmg.

I'm still looking for Fate of The Fell!! Do anyone of u got it from Kadala before ?
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i have looted 1 before from kadala.. fotf.. maybe 2.7 or 2.8 k dps.

lol forgot already coz im in love now on Mortal Drama. brows.gif


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Mortal Drama is at a much higher drop rate than other flails though. Data says so, my experience says so.

BoP and Gyr's still eluded me last weekend. If they don't push 2.0.4 out this Tuesday, can take a rest from D3 ad.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/...-rates-revealed
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ May 5 2014, 10:09 AM)
Mortal Drama is at a much higher drop rate than other flails though. Data says so, my experience says so.

BoP and Gyr's still eluded me last weekend. If they don't push 2.0.4 out this Tuesday, can take a rest from D3 ad.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/...-rates-revealed
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2.0.4 is out and live already ma.. No meh?

Source: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/13532431/p...w-live-4-8-2014
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QUOTE(jimchan @ May 5 2014, 10:17 AM)
2.0.4 is out and live already ma.. No meh?

Source: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/13532431/p...w-live-4-8-2014
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somehow i feel without Gyr, jekang is useless.. when you throw the shield at fast speed, your resource drain like water.. sigh
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Nice to hear that Kadala do give Fate of the Fell, we'll time to keep gambling on Kadala. The drop rare for flails is totally horrible!

Bombardment is awesome if coupled with CDR build massive explosion.


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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ May 5 2014, 11:11 AM)
somehow i feel without Gyr, jekang is useless.. when you throw the shield at fast speed, your resource drain like water.. sigh
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I disagree. With Jekang, blessed shield - scattering throw, from the most useless spender to the best spender. I was on a skycutter holy blessed shield build. No gyr's. 7-8m dmg to whites, 12-14m to elites. around 80% up-time because I used provoke and shield glare and LoV - unstoppable force. My biggest problem is of course, single target. Because even with Gyr's that's an issue but without, I've got no mobs to "Gain" my wrath. And no globes as well (wraps).

Then I found fate of the fell. I go shotgun. Still find it slot to clear white mobs, so I went 2 spender build. up-time 50% because of 2 spender, but I can kill single/mobs faster than other members in the party.

6 bounce jekang with a good stat, blessed shield is still the best spender/cost ratio. At least much better than sweep attack.

Then only one spender that can fair against it is Divine Well.

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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ May 5 2014, 11:11 AM)
somehow i feel without Gyr, jekang is useless.. when you throw the shield at fast speed, your resource drain like water.. sigh
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Agreed, that's why falcon is my top priority biggrin.gif

QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 11:23 AM)
Nice to hear that Kadala do give Fate of the Fell, we'll time to keep gambling on Kadala. The drop rare for flails is totally horrible!

Bombardment is awesome if coupled with CDR build massive explosion.
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I got inviolable faith yesterday with horrible stat (no main stat nor any of trifecta at all!)

And this is the second legendary flail for me since ROS release till now doh.gif
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ May 5 2014, 11:32 AM)
I disagree. With Jekang, blessed shield - scattering throw, from the most useless spender to the best spender. I was on a skycutter holy blessed shield build. No gyr's. 7-8m dmg to whites, 12-14m to elites. around 80% up-time because I used provoke and shield glare and LoV - unstoppable force. My biggest problem is of course, single target. Because even with Gyr's that's an issue but without, I've got no mobs to "Gain" my wrath. And no globes as well (wraps).

Then I found fate of the fell. I go shotgun. Still find it slot to clear white mobs, so I went 2 spender build. up-time 50% because of 2 spender, but I can kill single/mobs faster than other members in the party.

6 bounce jekang with a good stat, blessed shield is still the best spender/cost ratio. At least much better than sweep attack.

Then only one spender that can fair against it is Divine Well.
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haha your situation just like mine.

this my build for Bombar + BS withour Gyr

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/faheem-1459/hero/44721947

this build is good on party T3-T5. but single target hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Vorador @ May 5 2014, 11:33 AM)
Agreed, that's why falcon is my top priority biggrin.gif
I got inviolable faith yesterday with horrible stat (no main stat nor any of trifecta at all!)

And this is the second legendary flail for me since ROS release till now  doh.gif
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How much do you play per day? I thought I'm already unlucky enough around 400 hours in my crus and still not see the last 2 build defining flail/2h Sword.

QUOTE(faheem @ May 5 2014, 11:45 AM)
haha your situation just like mine.

this my build for Bombar + BS withour Gyr

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/faheem-1459/hero/44721947

this build is good on party T3-T5. but single target  hmm.gif
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Bombardment is used with high cdr, so I wouldn't bother what spender I use.

I use HF - FoH because I got FotF, which makes my single target dmg around 100m all crits on elite, point blank range. That solves the single target problem the build have, while white mobs are just 1-2 blessed shield throw and they'll bounce them to death.
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ May 5 2014, 11:50 AM)
How much do you play per day? I thought I'm already unlucky enough around 400 hours in my crus and still not see the last 2 build defining flail/2h Sword.
Bombardment is used with high cdr, so I wouldn't bother what spender I use.

I use HF - FoH because I got FotF, which makes my single target dmg around 100m all crits on elite, point blank range. That solves the single target problem the build have, while white mobs are just 1-2 blessed shield throw and they'll bounce them to death.
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oh , for me around 2 hours per day.

Recently I sacrifice a bit of dps for another glove (Gladiator something one, rain gold) which gives me 8% CDR. Although it's little bit I feels like I can spam horsey more often whistling.gif
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QUOTE(faheem @ May 5 2014, 11:45 AM)
haha your situation just like mine.

this my build for Bombar + BS withour Gyr

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/faheem-1459/hero/44721947

this build is good on party T3-T5. but single target  hmm.gif
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OMG 10% cric chance, I roll alot of time only manage to get 8% cry.gif
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QUOTE(Vorador @ May 5 2014, 11:54 AM)
oh , for me around 2 hours per day.

Recently I sacrifice a bit of dps for another glove (Gladiator something one, rain gold) which gives me 8% CDR. Although it's little bit I feels like I can spam horsey more often  whistling.gif
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My sub (testing) crusader is on 54% cdr. Imagine... huehuehuehuehue

That glove sucks though, might as well use some CC/CD/CDR gloves. If you can find.

2 Hours a day, can't blame the slow gearing up. You'll get there.

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OMG 10% cric chance, I roll alot of time only manage to get 8% cry.gif
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2% really isn't going to be much.
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OMG 10% cric chance, I roll alot of time only manage to get 8% cry.gif
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ May 5 2014, 12:01 PM)
My sub (testing) crusader is on 54% cdr. Imagine... huehuehuehuehue

That glove sucks though, might as well use some CC/CD/CDR gloves. If you can find.

2 Hours a day, can't blame the slow gearing up. You'll get there.
2% really isn't going to be much.
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ May 5 2014, 11:32 AM)
I disagree. With Jekang, blessed shield - scattering throw, from the most useless spender to the best spender. I was on a skycutter holy blessed shield build. No gyr's. 7-8m dmg to whites, 12-14m to elites. around 80% up-time because I used provoke and shield glare and LoV - unstoppable force. My biggest problem is of course, single target. Because even with Gyr's that's an issue but without, I've got no mobs to "Gain" my wrath. And no globes as well (wraps).

Then I found fate of the fell. I go shotgun. Still find it slot to clear white mobs, so I went 2 spender build. up-time 50% because of 2 spender, but I can kill single/mobs faster than other members in the party.

6 bounce jekang with a good stat, blessed shield is still the best spender/cost ratio. At least much better than sweep attack.

Then only one spender that can fair against it is Divine Well.
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Hopefully Blessed Shield build will be nerf, cos it defeat the purpose of using a melee character with. Shield and you shooting from range.

Please drop me FotF or from Kadala this week!!


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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 12:38 PM)
Hopefully Blessed Shield build will be nerf, cos it defeat the purpose of using a melee character with. Shield and you shooting from range.

Please drop me FotF or from Kadala this week!!
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I don't understand, different people different playing style, some prefer rocket boom boom while some love the hack and slash.

Why hoping for the nerf?
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ May 5 2014, 12:01 PM)
My sub (testing) crusader is on 54% cdr. Imagine... huehuehuehuehue

That glove sucks though, might as well use some CC/CD/CDR gloves. If you can find.

2 Hours a day, can't blame the slow gearing up. You'll get there.
2% really isn't going to be much.
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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 12:38 PM)
Hopefully Blessed Shield build will be nerf, cos it defeat the purpose of using a melee character with. Shield and you shooting from range.

Please drop me FotF or from Kadala this week!!
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and maybe Blizz should take away Primary skill Justice that also pew pew from range since Cruz is a melee class? hmm.gif hmm.gif

Maybe also nerf blessed hammer too since it is also a range skill? And Foth too since it is range. your logic just didn't make sense.

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Crusader other skills is way underrated.

They need to fix some of the crusader underrated skills. Crusader build is only viable via the weapon or shield you got.

Limited to this status :
Critical Damage + Critical Chance
Cooldown Reduction + Critical Damage

Majority are opting to blessed shield build due to range + fast dps especially on the shield bouncing. Well of course single dps is horrible but it is still manageable.


"Don you heavy armor and raise your shield"

The above doesn't reflect how crusader is.
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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ May 5 2014, 12:01 PM)
My sub (testing) crusader is on 54% cdr. Imagine... huehuehuehuehue

That glove sucks though, might as well use some CC/CD/CDR gloves. If you can find.

2 Hours a day, can't blame the slow gearing up. You'll get there.
2% really isn't going to be much.
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My cruz now also got around 53%+ cdr. Only 2 akkhan pieces. It make my CD skill like Iron skin, Bowman, Condemn, Provoke, Judgement very low downtime. If with akkhan champion active, damn.. Almost godlike mode. But my build had 1 major flaw, the CC and CD is very low. I had to use Judgement Resolved to make up the low CC.

Was trying T6 with 2 WD, 1cruz yesterday night. Damn. Clearing trash and elite like T2-3. But did die few times when got 2 packs elite/champion.
1 of WD acted as health globe generator. With Reaper Wrap, Wrath is not an issue for me to keep shooting BS. 2 cruz used Judgement Resolved so we alway do CC dmg.

Cruz in party mode can act as tank and support. We got our Law, Judgement buff for all party members. BUT, we still lose to Monk as support since they have more constant buff than us. sad.gif



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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 12:38 PM)
Hopefully Blessed Shield build will be nerf, cos it defeat the purpose of using a melee character with. Shield and you shooting from range.

Please drop me FotF or from Kadala this week!!
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rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

i have fotf too but use BS skill, so how? seem no problem using 2hand flail and use BS skill
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FotF shotgun to maximize the dmg so the units will get hit by the additional 2 rays. Especially with single dps.

It still consider melee though. Unless the 3 heaven fury ray which kinda hit and run type.
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Why bless shield should be nerfed where it need 2 legendary item to shine?

To achieve that you need to farm more of coz. And LUCK of coz. Hehe
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Geez... NEVER EVER ask for nerf... Just buff other skills and other characters as well... Isn't that a better option??

Nerf this nerf that... Might as well remove crusader class
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How bout no nerf but remove the 2 legendary ? Sounds better?

Crusader is not meant to be the way it is suppose to be at the moment.

Hopefully 2.0.5 will have major changes especially on crusader class
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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 04:44 PM)
How bout no nerf but remove the 2 legendary ? Sounds better?

Crusader is not meant to be the way it is suppose to be at the moment.

Hopefully 2.0.5 will have major changes especially on crusader class
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Wa nice one.. why don't just remove crusader from D3 RoS and or play D3 vanilla.. lel
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QUOTE(fe3doe @ May 5 2014, 05:23 PM)
Wa nice one.. why don't just remove crusader from D3 RoS and or play D3 vanilla.. lel
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Remove crusader and bring back druid or necromancer !
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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 04:44 PM)
How bout no nerf but remove the 2 legendary ? Sounds better?

Crusader is not meant to be the way it is suppose to be at the moment.

Hopefully 2.0.5 will have major changes especially on crusader class
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Yea, SO FUN to play a character which has ONE way of playing....
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noobs will ask for nerfs as they themselves cannot play properly. period.
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noobs will ask for nerfs as they themselves cannot play properly. period.
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QUOTE(faheem @ May 5 2014, 12:11 PM)
bro can share your bnet id? wanna test your build  biggrin.gif
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Can share your bnet ID ?
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Sorry was a bit caught up at work. Here's my ID. The male's the main, female is... well, leg dump/testing/forthelel build.

Edit : Not recommended to test my female build as she's T1 at best, very weak. I just wanna enjoy fast horsey so that I can T1 cache bags faster than my male.

Main's build also not recommended. I run with a group which is why I run like this. 2 Spender for a wrath starved class, big no no. But is it fun, you bet it is.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Xyreon-6190/hero/44156441

QUOTE(mikelanding @ May 5 2014, 01:15 PM)
My cruz now also got around 53%+ cdr. Only 2 akkhan pieces. It make my CD skill like Iron skin, Bowman, Condemn, Provoke, Judgement very low downtime. If with akkhan champion active, damn.. Almost godlike mode. But my build had 1 major flaw, the CC and CD is very low. I had to use Judgement Resolved to make up the low CC.

Was trying T6 with 2 WD, 1cruz yesterday night. Damn. Clearing trash and elite like T2-3. But did die few times when got 2 packs elite/champion.
1 of WD acted as health globe generator. With Reaper Wrap, Wrath is not an issue for me to keep shooting BS. 2 cruz used Judgement Resolved so we alway do CC dmg.

Cruz in party mode can act as tank and support. We got our Law, Judgement buff for all party members. BUT, we still lose to Monk as support since they have more constant buff than us.  sad.gif
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Stronk-nye T6. I don't dare to T6. Hp kena chip away too fast. Will only go when I get my last piece akkhan's.

That's solo though. WD prolly make any T6 easier.

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If I'm a noob in a game well I don't mind though.

Do you want a more diversified build rather than 1 build to kill them all?




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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 08:26 PM)
If I'm a noob in a game well I don't mind though.

Do you want a more diversified build rather than 1 build to kill them all?
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Nah, that don't define what a noob is.

Not acknowledging that there are other builds out there that can T6
and be mad at one build thinking it's so easily obtainable, is.

There's a video showing how useless that build is without the proper setup and paragon levels. Cookie cutter? 1 build that kills them all? Sorry man, that's how diablo works right now, but not one no, we have more than a few builds that clear T6, BS being one of it. What wiz has? Vyr's archon/Wand of Woh. WD? Starmetal Kukri vodoo pet. Barb? ww WW ww WW ww WW ww WW, hota WW. ww WW. hota.

Your point? Or you're just simply butt mad at how efficient people are doing their runs? If it's that case, though, really, this game doesn't need audiences like you.

Appreciate the opinion (without testing) though.

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do I hear nerf?

talk to me, im kapitan Malaysia lel
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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 04:44 PM)
How bout no nerf but remove the 2 legendary ? Sounds better?

Crusader is not meant to be the way it is suppose to be at the moment.

Hopefully 2.0.5 will have major changes especially on crusader class
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well, in this case Spectral Blade shall also be removed from Wizard, because wizard shouldn't do melee, right?

As I mentioned, different people different playing style, that's why Blizzard design so many diversities for each class, there's where the fun came from. Remove the means for certain build just because you yourself feel it isn't right, isn't right.

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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 04:44 PM)
How bout no nerf but remove the 2 legendary ? Sounds better?

Crusader is not meant to be the way it is suppose to be at the moment.

Hopefully 2.0.5 will have major changes especially on crusader class
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Hmmm... Who are you to tell people how to play a game?

QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 08:26 PM)
If I'm a noob in a game well I don't mind though.

Do you want a more diversified build rather than 1 build to kill them all?
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YES! we need to have many different builds to play with to keep things fresh.... Why do u think barb was given hammer throw, wiz with spectral blade and dh with grenades... No sure bout monk n wd as I don't really play them much...
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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ May 5 2014, 04:44 PM)
How bout no nerf but remove the 2 legendary ? Sounds better?

Crusader is not meant to be the way it is suppose to be at the moment.

Hopefully 2.0.5 will have major changes especially on crusader class
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Everyone got different playstyles. A crusader is defined by the player themselves, is up to them how they want to make their crusader. After all, the one playing crusader is the player themselves. They happy, crusader also happy, Sanctuary also happy.
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oh i just gear up my other crusader with BOP.. should it be nerf too?? lel
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oh i just gear up my other crusader with BOP.. should it be nerf too?? lel
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Who knows mang, we r nerfalems afterall.

Judging from track record, dont b surprise, keep anything relevant to ur char which u think can be useful. Lel
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Hello sifus,

Need some guide here, which stat of this necklace I should reroll for cric chance ar?

Thanks a bunch!!

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Hello sifus,

Need some guide here, which stat of this necklace I should reroll for cric chance ar?

Thanks a bunch!!

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got the 5 set akkhan. using grandeu i unlocked full set bonus. my cdr is 40 ish... %

so now my condemn build based on cookiemanners is playable. though it feels as if 50% cdr is the max cdr you would need for this to be maxed out.

you can watch how this builds work here
http://www.twitch.tv/mooglestiltzkin

i can do t6 in my t6 group, but since im solo with some guy im carrying i can only t4 atm.


i really like the build but there is just not much room for a block chance into it. could go wolf shield to fit in more stats, but people end up just using jaekabong because it works well with blessed shield to faster proc akarat rally for the condemn build.

in terms of an offensive tank build, this seems the best atm for crusader.

gyrfalcon is good, but i notice people tend to use the phalanx archer for it. doesn't seem to be as nuke intensive, just repetitive blessed shield, seems kinda boring. i've seen a decked gryfalcon pally and he stacks lots of holy % as well as blessed shield in his gear.

so you'll need a separate set of gear if you want to build around gyrfalcon doh.gif

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Just got my Crusader character up to lvl 70 yesterday night.

Found this ring. Are these states Ok? If I'm not mistaken I can actually re-roll the states?

Sorry if I asked a dumb question. Hope anyone can help.

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great stats.
reroll lightning to holy should u chose to build holy
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ May 7 2014, 10:53 AM)
got the 5 set akkhan. using grandeu i unlocked full set bonus. my cdr is 40 ish... %

so now my condemn build based on cookiemanners is playable. though it feels as if 50% cdr is the max cdr you would need for this to be maxed out.

you can watch how this builds work here
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i can do t6 in my t6 group, but since im solo with some guy im carrying i can only t4 atm.
i really like the build but there is just not much room for a block chance into it. could go wolf shield to fit in more stats, but people end up just using jaekabong because it works well with blessed shield to faster proc akarat rally for the condemn build.

in terms of an offensive tank build, this seems the best atm for crusader.

gyrfalcon is good, but i notice people tend to use the phalanx archer for it. doesn't seem to be as nuke intensive, just repetitive blessed shield, seems kinda boring. i've seen a decked gryfalcon pally and he stacks lots of holy % as well as blessed shield in his gear.

so you'll need a separate set of gear if you want to build around gyrfalcon doh.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ May 7 2014, 10:53 AM)
got the 5 set akkhan. using grandeu i unlocked full set bonus. my cdr is 40 ish... %

so now my condemn build based on cookiemanners is playable. though it feels as if 50% cdr is the max cdr you would need for this to be maxed out.

you can watch how this builds work here
http://www.twitch.tv/mooglestiltzkin

i can do t6 in my t6 group, but since im solo with some guy im carrying i can only t4 atm.
i really like the build but there is just not much room for a block chance into it. could go wolf shield to fit in more stats, but people end up just using jaekabong because it works well with blessed shield to faster proc akarat rally for the condemn build.

in terms of an offensive tank build, this seems the best atm for crusader.

gyrfalcon is good, but i notice people tend to use the phalanx archer for it. doesn't seem to be as nuke intensive, just repetitive blessed shield, seems kinda boring. i've seen a decked gryfalcon pally and he stacks lots of holy % as well as blessed shield in his gear.

so you'll need a separate set of gear if you want to build around gyrfalcon doh.gif
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This arkhan condemn build may only viable if ur paragon level is high enough so that u can stack good amount of cdr.. cc and cd.. thats why it is end game build. sad.gif
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QUOTE(KruteX @ May 7 2014, 02:11 PM)
This arkhan condemn build may only viable if ur paragon level is high enough so that u can stack good amount of cdr.. cc and cd.. thats why it is end game build. sad.gif
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QUOTE(stevie @ May 7 2014, 01:48 PM)
great stats.
reroll lightning to holy should u chose to build holy
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Found mortal drama. Fell of the fate. Darklight. That mace that gives random law.

still no sign of falcon foote
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been 1 whole week doing few rounds of rift, got up to 400++ BS then spent it on Kadala...

I have no idea how am I going to get falcon... sad.gif
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QUOTE(Vorador @ May 8 2014, 01:27 AM)
been 1 whole week doing few rounds of rift, got up to 400++ BS then spent it on Kadala...

I have no idea how am I going to get falcon... sad.gif
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QUOTE(Vorador @ May 8 2014, 01:27 AM)
been 1 whole week doing few rounds of rift, got up to 400++ BS then spent it on Kadala...

I have no idea how am I going to get falcon... sad.gif
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Lol ive spent a total of 24,000 shards and kadala still dont give falcon. Ive found it somewhere else in the game eventually
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Interesting discussion~ I start playing Diablo 3 first time and using Crusader class. At the beginning of games, I kept dying due to equipments and cooldown. Now I am playing Lv70 with Torment 1, trying to dig more legendary items. Offensive skills are Condemn (rune: explode suddenly) + Heaven Fury (rune: burning ground it pass), I use these bcs of my weapon (all condemned enemy release Condemn) + shield (reduce cooldown by 50% of Heaven Fury).

Now trying to forge legendary shield, need Ascended Shield Lv70. And I cant believe I cant find it for few days already~~~~
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Been trying out shield glare (divine verdict) and loving it especially when I run with a DH who uses mark for death... The elites just melt straight away... Elites receives 40% more dmg ...
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QUOTE(KruteX @ May 7 2014, 02:11 PM)
This arkhan condemn build may only viable if ur paragon level is high enough so that u can stack good amount of cdr.. cc and cd.. thats why it is end game build. sad.gif
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im missing cc on some usual pieces. like my shield.... but because my paragorn is high, i can more or less compensate..... so the average joe, need to stick to the basic gear stats for some of the crucial stats.....

i didn't want to deal with necessarily having the perfect stats just to have a usable build, that was why i aimed for 600 paragorn to begin with. it does help quite a bit hmm.gif '



uh regarding that soj, it's nice it rolled chc, but unfortunately people would normally reroll that for chd..... so i guess u can temporarily use it as is with the chc....

just make sure your chd to chc ratio is 10:1 aka if your 500 chd then you ought to have 50 chc....


but in end game once fully geared, you'd want a elite dmg, str, chd, elemental stack.


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QUOTE(Vorador @ May 8 2014, 01:27 AM)
been 1 whole week doing few rounds of rift, got up to 400++ BS then spent it on Kadala...

I have no idea how am I going to get falcon... sad.gif
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QUOTE(olman @ May 8 2014, 01:58 AM)
I have spent around 3k shards on her, i know how u feel mon.
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QUOTE(olman @ May 8 2014, 01:58 AM)
I have spent around 3k shards on her, i know how u feel mon.
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Yeah, anyway I means I repeat the process everyday (rifts, bounties then kadala) yet falcon seems so far... (I thought jekang got higher chance since shield only need 5 BS)


QUOTE(FrostLance @ May 8 2014, 08:29 AM)
Lol ive spent a total of 24,000 shards and kadala still dont give falcon. Ive found it somewhere else in the game eventually
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What I noticed was I got most of my leg from bashing object and white mob, super rare case dropped by elite or boss.
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QUOTE(olman @ May 7 2014, 11:35 PM)
Found mortal drama. Fell of the fate. Darklight. That mace that gives random law.

still no sign of falcon foote
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Hi all crusader sifus,

Just want to share my crusader with you all and hopefully can get some advice. I am particularly interested to know about skill builds.

I just got the BoP and it rolled decently. Lucky enough to get my second Akkhan's piece few days back. What can I do to improve my crus?

It is now sitting a 1.2mil dps and 12mil toughness. No other buffs except from from the law.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zooch-6759/hero/43694884

Also, what should I gamble from Kadala? I am thinking of Andariel's Visage and maybe try to get it to roll holy dmg if that is possible. Currently I am just dumping all the shards towards Witching hour for my DH which I don't enjoy as much as a crusader.

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QUOTE(Vorador @ May 8 2014, 11:12 AM)
Yeah, anyway I means I repeat the process everyday (rifts, bounties then kadala) yet falcon seems so far...  (I thought jekang got higher chance since shield only need 5 BS)
What I noticed was I got most of my leg from bashing object and white mob, super rare case dropped by elite or boss.
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QUOTE(faidz85 @ May 8 2014, 10:03 PM)
Hi all crusader sifus,

Just want to share my crusader with you all and hopefully can get some advice. I am particularly interested to know about skill builds.

I just got the BoP and it rolled decently. Lucky enough to get my second Akkhan's piece few days back. What can I do to improve my crus?

It is now sitting a 1.2mil dps and 12mil toughness. No other buffs except from from the law.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zooch-6759/hero/43694884

Also, what should I gamble from Kadala? I am thinking of Andariel's Visage and maybe try to get it to roll holy dmg if that is possible. Currently I am just dumping all the shards towards Witching hour for my DH which I don't enjoy as much as a crusader.
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You should start craft Aughild set and swap out guardian set. Captain crimson set is good too. since you got BOP, why not focus your gear on CDR.
Also, put a socket on your helm. 12.5% CDR with a gem.

A guide on Condem build gears, which stat to focus.
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QUOTE(faidz85 @ May 8 2014, 10:03 PM)
Hi all crusader sifus,

Just want to share my crusader with you all and hopefully can get some advice. I am particularly interested to know about skill builds.

I just got the BoP and it rolled decently. Lucky enough to get my second Akkhan's piece few days back. What can I do to improve my crus?

It is now sitting a 1.2mil dps and 12mil toughness. No other buffs except from from the law.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zooch-6759/hero/43694884

Also, what should I gamble from Kadala? I am thinking of Andariel's Visage and maybe try to get it to roll holy dmg if that is possible. Currently I am just dumping all the shards towards Witching hour for my DH which I don't enjoy as much as a crusader.
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normally id like vit str sock... but in bops case, you may need to seriously considering droppin vit for cdr....'

you need to get 40-50 cdr.... kinda hard without adding cdr to weapon.

i got 400k vit on my crus with cdr on wep. but then again im 600 para so i got life% bonuses.
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lol I thought your cruddy quite powerful?  flex.gif  Anyway going to buy a new mouse later, play better tonight lol ~
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Not at all.... T4-T5 at best, shits not dropping for me... Time to quit...
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Not at all.... T4-T5 at best, shits not dropping for me... Time to quit...
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eventhough unluved by the lord of nerf, don't quit mang
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quote=gh0sty,May 10 2014, 10:57 AM]
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May really have a lot of people do not understand. . Hee hee
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Hi guys,

Just got my SoJ and reroll the stats.

Based on your personal experience should I keep the CHD or reroll for Holy Skills?

Need some advise. Thanks in advance!

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QUOTE(jimchan @ May 11 2014, 09:39 PM)
Hi guys,

Just got my SoJ and reroll the stats.

Based on your personal experience should I keep the CHD or reroll for Holy Skills?

Need some advise. Thanks in advance!

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What is your build like? Condemn or Blessed Shield or other?
If Condemn build - Cooldown reduction
If Blessed shield - I saw my friend cruz stacking lot of Holy dmg and Crit change (above 50%)
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ May 12 2014, 11:57 AM)
What is your build like? Condemn or Blessed Shield or other?
If Condemn build - Cooldown reduction
If Blessed shield - I saw my friend cruz stacking lot of Holy dmg and Crit change (above 50%)
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Ini mesti talking about me ni
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ May 12 2014, 11:57 AM)
What is your build like? Condemn or Blessed Shield or other?
If Condemn build - Cooldown reduction
If Blessed shield - I saw my friend cruz stacking lot of Holy dmg and Crit change (above 50%)
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You don't get CDR in place of an elemental damage man. lol
Get the stat some other slot.
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QUOTE(jimchan @ May 11 2014, 09:39 PM)
Hi guys,

Just got my SoJ and reroll the stats.

Based on your personal experience should I keep the CHD or reroll for Holy Skills?

Need some advise. Thanks in advance!

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http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/jchan-6774/Ares/43715877

Use this as a guide

1.00% +Holy Skills Damage gives you 6,922.55 dps
Max 20% gives 138k
1.00% Critical Damage gives you 1,377.46 dps
Max 50% give 69k

You know which to choose smile.gif
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You don't get CDR in place of an elemental damage man. lol
Get the stat some other slot.
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he should reroll back to Holy dmg unless he using Mortar drama with bombardment (physical) as main dmg.
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QUOTE(jimchan @ May 11 2014, 09:39 PM)
Hi guys,

Just got my SoJ and reroll the stats.

Based on your personal experience should I keep the CHD or reroll for Holy Skills?

Need some advise. Thanks in advance!

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Oh my god what was the element % that you rolled it away?

Holy % man, the only ring that can roll element so you don't want to give it up. Should've rolled the aspd away to CHD/CDR/CHC but if your element was cold/fire/lightning then I understand why you'd roll it away.

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QUOTE(stevie @ May 12 2014, 12:33 PM)
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/jchan-6774/Ares/43715877

Use this as a guide

1.00% +Holy Skills Damage gives you 6,922.55 dps
Max 20% gives 138k
1.00% Critical Damage gives you 1,377.46 dps
Max 50% give 69k

You know which to choose smile.gif
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wow that's something.... crazily useful. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaa ! (put on double shade)
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damn i want this sword so bad http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/cams-rebuttal
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damn i want this sword so bad http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/cams-rebuttal
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YEah 2 falling sword seem like powerful.. but actually it is not. Lol. But maybe nice for transmog..

Im getting pissed with the drop rate of item and sometime drop but stat sucks. Now i think its time to do "the move"
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QUOTE(mikelanding @ May 12 2014, 11:57 AM)
What is your build like? Condemn or Blessed Shield or other?
If Condemn build - Cooldown reduction
If Blessed shield - I saw my friend cruz stacking lot of Holy dmg and Crit change (above 50%)
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Currently I'm a Blessed Shield build, waiting for my Akkhan set to be complete then I'll go for Condemn biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(KruteX @ May 12 2014, 08:15 PM)
YEah 2 falling sword seem like powerful.. but actually it is not. Lol. But maybe nice for transmog..

Im getting pissed with the drop rate of item and sometime drop but stat sucks. Now i think its time to do "the move"
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same prob here... Blizzard's server seems can read our mind through our monitor. The very item you hope for won't drop...

Can teach us more about "the move"?
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QUOTE(KruteX @ May 12 2014, 08:15 PM)
YEah 2 falling sword seem like powerful.. but actually it is not. Lol. But maybe nice for transmog..

Im getting pissed with the drop rate of item and sometime drop but stat sucks. Now i think its time to do "the move"
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nah its just a cool looking skill lol.. thats it.
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R.I.P BoP. Working as intended by Blizz. Now only procs 2. No more multiple kaboomsss
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R.I.P BoP. Working as intended by Blizz. Now only procs 2. No more multiple kaboomsss
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I have never tried bop condemn build but are u saying blizz just nerfed it?
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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ May 13 2014, 05:28 AM)
R.I.P BoP. Working as intended by Blizz. Now only procs 2. No more multiple kaboomsss
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Shit's never procced more than twice. Blizzard did nothing. Just bad tooltip.
And this is 3 weeks old news.
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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ May 13 2014, 05:28 AM)
R.I.P BoP. Working as intended by Blizz. Now only procs 2. No more multiple kaboomsss
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Its always been like this.
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Huge nerf to AC incoming according to datamined patch @ diablofans

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Huge nerf to AC incoming according to datamined patch @ diablofans

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do you means This Page ?

Sorry what's AC, I see only buff for curzz...
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See my current falcon, got it from Kadala, kinda unhappy with the base damage:

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Somemore it's fire damage, not holy sad.gif

My next target is hunt for jekang, then another better falcon.

p/s: Currently doing 2.5-3.8 mil crit to mob in T3.

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do you means This Page ?

Sorry what's AC, I see only buff for curzz...
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Rally : Each time you deal damage, there is up to a 50% chance to reduce the cooldown of your skills by 1 second. / Does not affectUsing Akarat's Champion reduces the remaining cooldown of your other abilities by 12 seconds.
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Rally : Each time you deal damage, there is up to a 50% chance to reduce the cooldown of your skills by 1 second. / Does not affectUsing Akarat's Champion reduces the remaining cooldown of your other abilities by 12 seconds.
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6 set is used as a wrath preserver than a CD based build now.

That Rally nerf was uncalled for.

But on the bright side, those weapons that I do currently own, are seeing huge buffs.

Time to go back to shotgun I guess.

Also, welcome back my 2 second horse and no movement speed penalty and 30 second CD laws!
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huge nerf to blessed shield as well.
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condemned crusader is dead
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huge nerf to blessed shield as well.
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Blessed Sheild got increase dmg rite?
And also there is passive which increase 20% more dmg also?



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Towering Shield Increase the damage of Punish, Shield Bash and Blessed Shield by 20%. / Reduce the cooldown of Shield Glare by 30%. (Reworked from: Gain Block Chance every second, which resets with blocking)

Blessed Shield Cost: 20 Wrath / Hurl your shield, dealing 430% weapon damage as Holy plus 250% of shield Block Chance as Holy damage. The shield will ricochet to 3 nearby enemies. (Up from 340%, damage element now specified)
Combust : The shield erupts in flames and has a 33% chance to explode on impact, dealing 310% weapon damage as Fire to all enemies within 10 yards. (Up from 270%, distance up from 8 yards)
Shattering Throw : When the shield hits an enemy, it splits into 3 small fragments that bounce between nearby enemies, dealing 170% weapon damage as Holy to all enemies hit. (Up from 50%, damage element now specified)
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Fervor While wielding a one-handed weapon, your attack speed is increased by 15% and all cooldowns are reduced by 15%. (Reworked from: When an enemy dies nearby you gain Attack Speed)


For whom using that single blessed sheild flail?

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QUOTE(draex3 @ May 13 2014, 07:02 PM)
Blessed Sheild got increase dmg rite?

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Freaking Huge DPS nerf.. tooltip is wrong, currently its 333% not 50% as stated in tool tip, will drop to 160/170

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SWEET with 960% weapon damage of Fires Of Heavens
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GG, my blessed shield shattering throw look kinda low now. The bounce damage less around 75% from first initial damage.. >.>
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I've switched to heavens fury, now that they DESTROYED the instant spam recast for condemn builds in T6.

This is my new build

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it's probably possible to replace the shield block passive to towering shield for the dmg bonus for shield bash, and use punish for block.

Or, i can give up punish for some other skill, while keeping the block passive.

Or i can instead use a helm of rule block helm.


These are the options to hit the 75% block cap to maximize damage on shield bash whos damage modifier is affected by block chance.


An eberli charlo isn't going to make much use of block chance for much damage mitigation compared to say a criterion, but the reason i use it is for the huge cooldown reduction for instant recast for heaven's fury ascendency, which was how i was playing my build before my T6 condemn build.

So using an eberli charlo, there no reason you have to use a block chance build like mine, just that now that blessed shield got nerfed, and i'm using the jaekabong shield, i decided to go back to shield bash because of the buffs.



I honestly feel that blizzard has screwed up big, by nerfing condemn into the ground. They were worried that people were mashing few keys together, well thats how the build works to get much usefullness out of it. And from my observation and experience farming T6 with condemn build, it was well done, but then blizzard had to screw it up ........ i hope somebody starts a petition so that they restore condemn to it's former CDR instant spam build .....


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Massive nerf on BS shatter AoE damage but on single target with Phalanx + Heavens Fury its a buff. I kinda like the way it is now. Yes the damage has been significantly nerfed but with towering shield 20%, its still ok.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ May 13 2014, 08:00 PM)
Freaking Huge DPS nerf.. tooltip is wrong, currently its 333% not 50% as stated in tool tip, will drop to 160/170
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Wow just wow... Finally got my gyrfalcon 1 day before patch and this happened.. Really got trolled by blizzard... Lol

Hopefully with the new buffs from passives... Blessed shield build is still viable

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QUOTE(gh0sty @ May 14 2014, 08:11 AM)
Wow just wow... Finally got my gyrfalcon 1 day before patch and this happened.. Really got trolled by blizzard... Lol

Hopefully with the new buffs from passives... Blessed shield build is still viable
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i think you need to use the passives and stacks before you can assess how good blessed shield is now.

you must take into account that passives have been boosted for 1 hander dmg, so maybe that offsets the nerfs in bs skill.

but then again people may switch to fist of the heaven instead using dark light doh.gif


ANyhow i am streamin so you can see how well my build works in T6
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QUOTE(gh0sty @ May 14 2014, 08:11 AM)
Wow just wow... Finally got my gyrfalcon 1 day before patch and this happened.. Really got trolled by blizzard... Lol

Hopefully with the new buffs from passives... Blessed shield build is still viable
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Ikr! I obtain my 1st falcon on Monday night and kinda shock last night shattering got nerf..
But still okay cos got passive buff
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Could go for fire build using Combust for BS then Shield Bash Crumble + Blessed Hammer burning wrath. Looks to be quite viable with high damage potential for Falcon+Jekang
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QUOTE(Deckard Cain @ May 14 2014, 08:54 AM)
Could go for fire build using Combust for BS then Shield Bash Crumble + Blessed Hammer burning wrath. Looks to be quite viable with high damage potential for Falcon+Jekang
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combust is stack fire though ? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ May 14 2014, 09:06 AM)
combust is stack fire though ?  hmm.gif
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yeah besides the holy which is what most falcon+jekang Cru uses, the next option would be fire. Looks like have to roll new sets.. hmmm... luckily my barb got cindercoat.
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Looks like i have to take my barbs fire gears to test BS.. Btw just drop fotf & 3rd piece of on my other cru.. Decent dps.. Having fun with shot gun now.. Hehe
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wow... after the patch my WIP Falcon crusader 'suddenly' became a 700k dps dude :yay:

Anyway I see the shattering throw bounce dmg had been nerfed a lot, but it's still quite alright since I can crit 5-6m to first target, around 1.5 mil to other targets. Still quite ok to survive in T2 solo, or T3 group.
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QUOTE(Vorador @ May 14 2014, 10:11 AM)
wow... after the patch my WIP Falcon crusader 'suddenly' became a 700k dps dude :yay:

Anyway I see the shattering throw bounce dmg had been nerfed a lot, but it's still quite alright since I can crit 5-6m to first target, around 1.5 mil to other targets. Still quite ok to survive in T2 solo, or T3 group.
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no longer T6 viable. Sheet dps is crap and a lie

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ May 14 2014, 10:16 AM)
no longer T6 viable. Sheet dps is crap and a lie
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I knew lar, that's why I keep boosting atk speed (needed for BS build) and holy damage. And I think sheet dps still can serve as reference, but of course not something to be proud with.

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QUOTE(Vorador @ May 14 2014, 10:21 AM)
I knew lar, that's why I keep boosting atk speed (needed for BS build) and holy damage. And I think sheet dps still can serve as reference, but of course not something to be proud with.
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well maybe combust is good. now tryng to stack up on +Fire gear
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Falling sword with cam's rebuttal is a ton of nuke fun.

Fire crusader with FotH - Heaven's Tempest, bombardment and superheated is fun.

Holy crusader, fotf + hallowed(holy%) or lidless(holy%, aspd, rcr) or hellskull(cdr, 10%dmg). Full set akkhan's Shotgun build = 0 builder easy game.

Lightning can seriously consider FS as their main nuke now.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ May 14 2014, 10:46 AM)
well maybe combust is good. now tryng to stack up on +Fire gear
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u know what... I just swtiched from fire build to holy build doh.gif (am wearing cindercoat now)

so... reroll all holy dmg back to fire? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif But the damage is slightly lower than shattering throw, and I need the healing from holy damage. hmm.gif (Holy Cause passive) I sacrificed a lot of my Vit for Crit hit chance and +% Holy dmg.

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