QUOTE(rachel_xxx @ Mar 31 2014, 10:40 PM)
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Proton Prevé V20, Don't provoke the modest beast!
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Apr 1 2014, 10:55 AM
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Apr 1 2014, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 1 2014, 10:29 AM) IINM Preve's iridium plugs are for longer replacement intervals. The output is the same as those normal shorter-lifespan copper plugs General information about Iridium spark plugs.However, Preve will benefit more from the Super Firestorm, the Normal Firestorm may not make much difference. Iridium is an extremely hard metallic element, related to platinum, which is thought to occur on earth primarily due to an enormous meteor impact millions of years ago. Other than it's hardness, the main property which makes Iridium attractive as an electrode material for spark plugs is its extremely high melting point (almost 2,500 deg C). Since late in the 20th century Iridium has been used in alloy form as material of choice for construction of Spark plug and industrial igniter electrodes. Pure Iridium is difficult to work with, very brittle and does not have great electrical conductivity hence alloys are used to give the best combination of these properties. An Iridium alloy electrode is able to deliver good conductivity and extreme hardness. The result is that an Iridium electrode can be manufactured with an extremely small diameter, when compared to a traditional copper or even a platinum tipped electrode, without compromising the useful life of the electrode or spark plug. The narrow diameter concentrates the electrical charge and therefore a much lower voltage is required to jump the spark gap. This is beneficial in several ways: A lower voltage is required, this reduces load on a vehicle's ignition system (less strain = less chance of failure) A larger gap can be supported without increasing load on the ignition system (Larger gap = larger spark = more efficient combustion) A more precise spark every time, delivered in the correct position and with the correct timing (More efficient combustion) Assuming a suitable Iridium plug is available, benefits you are most likely to see are: Improved throttle response Improved economy (though this depends largely on how much you enjoy the improved throttle response!) Increased plug service life (Depending on design, an Iridium plug could last up to ten times the life of a standard plug with little reduction in efficiency over the plug's lifespan) Increased engine power (Don't expect to double your horsepower but a 1 - 3% increase is possible) Improved (reduced) emissions. SOURCE HERE Well it is clear that iridium plugs are good enough to stand the extra heat from your super duper ultra kuat firestorm (as i heard that firestorm reduce the life of traditional plug significantly due to extra heat it generates)....but whether is adds additional benefits on the already kuat plug is questionable... This post has been edited by terryble: Apr 1 2014, 11:56 AM |
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Apr 1 2014, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(terryble @ Apr 1 2014, 12:43 PM) General information about Iridium spark plugs. belum cuba belum tau. Iridium is an extremely hard metallic element, related to platinum, which is thought to occur on earth primarily due to an enormous meteor impact millions of years ago. Other than it's hardness, the main property which makes Iridium attractive as an electrode material for spark plugs is its extremely high melting point (almost 2,500 deg C). Since late in the 20th century Iridium has been used in alloy form as material of choice for construction of Spark plug and industrial igniter electrodes. Pure Iridium is difficult to work with, very brittle and does not have great electrical conductivity hence alloys are used to give the best combination of these properties. An Iridium alloy electrode is able to deliver good conductivity and extreme hardness. The result is that an Iridium electrode can be manufactured with an extremely small diameter, when compared to a traditional copper or even a platinum tipped electrode, without compromising the useful life of the electrode or spark plug. The narrow diameter concentrates the electrical charge and therefore a much lower voltage is required to jump the spark gap. This is beneficial in several ways: A lower voltage is required, this reduces load on a vehicle's ignition system (less strain = less chance of failure) A larger gap can be supported without increasing load on the ignition system (Larger gap = larger spark = more efficient combustion) A more precise spark every time, delivered in the correct position and with the correct timing (More efficient combustion) Assuming a suitable Iridium plug is available, benefits you are most likely to see are: Improved throttle response Improved economy (though this depends largely on how much you enjoy the improved throttle response!) Increased plug service life (Depending on design, an Iridium plug could last up to ten times the life of a standard plug with little reduction in efficiency over the plug's lifespan) Increased engine power (Don't expect to double your horsepower but a 1 - 3% increase is possible) Improved (reduced) emissions. SOURCE HERE Well it is clear that iridium plugs are good enough to stand the extra heat from your super duper ultra kuat firestorm (as i heard that firestorm reduce the life of traditional plug significantly due to extra heat it generates)....but whether is adds additional benefits on the already kuat plug is questionable... |
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Apr 1 2014, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(terryble @ Apr 1 2014, 11:43 AM) General information about Iridium spark plugs. Thanks for the link Iridium is an extremely hard metallic element, related to platinum, which is thought to occur on earth primarily due to an enormous meteor impact millions of years ago. Other than it's hardness, the main property which makes Iridium attractive as an electrode material for spark plugs is its extremely high melting point (almost 2,500 deg C). Since late in the 20th century Iridium has been used in alloy form as material of choice for construction of Spark plug and industrial igniter electrodes. Pure Iridium is difficult to work with, very brittle and does not have great electrical conductivity hence alloys are used to give the best combination of these properties. An Iridium alloy electrode is able to deliver good conductivity and extreme hardness. The result is that an Iridium electrode can be manufactured with an extremely small diameter, when compared to a traditional copper or even a platinum tipped electrode, without compromising the useful life of the electrode or spark plug. The narrow diameter concentrates the electrical charge and therefore a much lower voltage is required to jump the spark gap. This is beneficial in several ways: A lower voltage is required, this reduces load on a vehicle's ignition system (less strain = less chance of failure) A larger gap can be supported without increasing load on the ignition system (Larger gap = larger spark = more efficient combustion) A more precise spark every time, delivered in the correct position and with the correct timing (More efficient combustion) Assuming a suitable Iridium plug is available, benefits you are most likely to see are: Improved throttle response Improved economy (though this depends largely on how much you enjoy the improved throttle response!) Increased plug service life (Depending on design, an Iridium plug could last up to ten times the life of a standard plug with little reduction in efficiency over the plug's lifespan) Increased engine power (Don't expect to double your horsepower but a 1 - 3% increase is possible) Improved (reduced) emissions. SOURCE HERE Well it is clear that iridium plugs are good enough to stand the extra heat from your super duper ultra kuat firestorm (as i heard that firestorm reduce the life of traditional plug significantly due to extra heat it generates)....but whether is adds additional benefits on the already kuat plug is questionable... I'm not sure what kind of Iridium plugs the Preve is using, but suffice to say many Preve owners have installed it with positive feedback. I'd like to hear what they have to say as well. Anyway, If you have read previous discussions on this product, you will see that it has been clarified by the Penang distributor that Firestorm does not generate extra heat in your ignition systems. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2099257/all I'm not a seller, BTW, just a satisfied user This post has been edited by dares: Apr 1 2014, 12:19 PM |
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Apr 1 2014, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 1 2014, 12:18 PM) Thanks for the link Preve CFE stock uses NGK Iridium ILKAR7G7 sizeI'm not sure what kind of Iridium plugs the Preve is using, but suffice to say many Preve owners have installed it with positive feedback. I'd like to hear what they have to say as well. Anyway, If you have read previous discussions on this product, you will see that it has been clarified by the Penang distributor that Firestorm does not generate extra heat in your ignition systems. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2099257/all I'm not a seller, BTW, just a satisfied user Preve Exec using same as all normal Campro... Bosch HGR7DQI, Denso IT20... |
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Apr 1 2014, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 1 2014, 12:18 PM) Thanks for the link haha glad to know that u are happy with the add on~~I'm not sure what kind of Iridium plugs the Preve is using, but suffice to say many Preve owners have installed it with positive feedback. I'd like to hear what they have to say as well. Anyway, If you have read previous discussions on this product, you will see that it has been clarified by the Penang distributor that Firestorm does not generate extra heat in your ignition systems. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2099257/all I'm not a seller, BTW, just a satisfied user mind to share the experience in details? coz i also read some where which a guy claim that his plug was toast after a few months of use ~~~cannot recall what car model~~and the discussion goes on recommending him other type of plugs~~ hmm but it is hard to believe 5x stronger spark (as it claims) does not add additional heat~~ |
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Apr 1 2014, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Apr 1 2014, 12:29 PM) Preve CFE stock uses NGK Iridium ILKAR7G7 size Thanks Preve Exec using same as all normal Campro... Bosch HGR7DQI, Denso IT20... QUOTE(terryble @ Apr 1 2014, 12:42 PM) haha glad to know that u are happy with the add on~~ My experience not in a Preve (was a Saga FLX SE and Fiesta), so irrelevant to tell here also. If you are a member of PREVOC, maybe you can ask in their fb?mind to share the experience in details? coz i also read some where which a guy claim that his plug was toast after a few months of use ~~~cannot recall what car model~~and the discussion goes on recommending him other type of plugs~~ hmm but it is hard to believe 5x stronger spark (as it claims) does not add additional heat~~ I'm not savvy in how electronic works, better ask the seller (flashaholic) instead of me |
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Apr 1 2014, 01:52 PM
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Still keen to know is there any other aftermarket plug for CFE.. it seems like only NGK produces it.. that's why it's overpriced.
Most Iridium we see @ the market will cost less than RM200.. CFE's being RM400 is just way overpriced... but if there's not enough numbers to justify for other makers to participate.. then we will forever need to live with it. |
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Apr 1 2014, 04:40 PM
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I went to few Proton showrooms, there was no manual Preve test drive unit. Any member here has Manual Preve? Need some feedback on the NVH, build quality and driveability. Thanks.
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Apr 1 2014, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 1 2014, 10:29 AM) IINM Preve's iridium plugs are for longer replacement intervals. The output is the same as those normal shorter-lifespan copper plugs may i know wat is super firestorm? i only know got normal one..However, Preve will benefit more from the Super Firestorm, the Normal Firestorm may not make much difference. |
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Apr 1 2014, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(allanlee89 @ Apr 1 2014, 04:40 PM) I went to few Proton showrooms, there was no manual Preve test drive unit. Any member here has Manual Preve? Need some feedback on the NVH, build quality and driveability. Thanks. official registered test drive unit for all proton showroom is premium spec, unless they use unregister unit for test . can try to join member TT on preve club maybe u will have chance to hear what owner say |
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Apr 1 2014, 06:34 PM
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I haven't had the chance to look around Preve's headlight. Just a question, is it simillar to other cars where we only need to unplug the power cord and cover, and unclip the light bulb?
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Apr 1 2014, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(vincent818 @ Apr 1 2014, 05:01 PM) official registered test drive unit for all proton showroom is premium spec, unless they use unregister unit for test . I sat in Preve CFE few times, so i roughly know the NVH level. But i want to know is the manual version NVh better or worse than CFE.can try to join member TT on preve club maybe u will have chance to hear what owner say |
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Apr 1 2014, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(allanlee89 @ Apr 1 2014, 06:49 PM) I sat in Preve CFE few times, so i roughly know the NVH level. But i want to know is the manual version NVh better or worse than CFE. Haven't tried too Preve Exec CVT will be noisier than CFE due to its CVT whining... But Preve Manual is better than Exec CVT for sure and probably could be better than CFE as long as the soundproofing materials/level are same... |
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Apr 1 2014, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE(flex3x @ Apr 1 2014, 10:55 AM) rm170 same price with ori wor.. |
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QUOTE(terryble @ Apr 1 2014, 11:43 AM) as i heard that firestorm reduce the life of traditional plug significantly due to extra heat it generates I am not here to sell you stuff. I am here just to correct you and to crush the "what I heard" rumors. Campro IAFM normal copper plug after 20,000km (Recommended plug change interval for IAFM by Proton Edar) usage: ![]() This post has been edited by V12Kompressor: Apr 1 2014, 09:53 PM |
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Apr 1 2014, 09:56 PM
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