Hi sifus again,
recently found someone selling an interesting product.
Source

The product's description as below:


After some simple google search on ignition coil booster, cant seem to find any disadvantage on it.
However looking at the video, it looks dangerous to the spark plug. And the gap for the plug with the screw is widen as well.
Edited: since it is to be plug into the fuse socket, my wild guess is it will boost the electricity current through that particular part, and might easily get blown??

Anyone using a similar product?
Will it harm the engine in any way?

To bro vr2turbo, can use in my car ah?

This post has been edited by bladekiller: Nov 7 2011, 05:25 PM

You ask me ah? I am not an expert leh, so many other sifus around.....

As far as I know you may feel smoother acceleration but whether harmful or not you have to find out, but I can contribute the following story.
My mechanic's brother is a technical guy, so following the same theory, he modified and made a module sort of like the one shown to increase the spark. Yes, according to him smoother acceleration, but he melted his spark plugs after running a few km only.....Maybe he over did it, I am not sure, but he took it out and replace the spark plugs.....

Anyway, there are also theory that mention bigger spark not necessary will complete the burning of the air fuel ratio in the combustion chamber....

looking at the rate the spark plugs are running, most probably it will melt soon...hmm

I have seen other brands and models before and the spark is not that big like in the video.....

hmm i'll jz wait for the review of his product...to b safe

how much issit?

my view is dun expect too much... it looks d spark is alot whole large...but dun forget its continuous spark... in real live, it need another 3 stroke to ignite one spark. b4 d spark been maximise its already another stroke.. IMHO, side gap / other same variant plugs will do better.

@vr2turbo, how come melt? rev too high?lol... plugs got high meltin point

EDITED

This post has been edited by bladekiller: Feb 3 2012, 03:25 PM

Yup, and bigger spark does not necessary mean it burns better.....

I think too strong the spark. That guy made on his own.

This post has been edited by vr2turbo: Nov 8 2011, 07:24 AM

the product looks quite good..i mean packaging of the tube thing

Judging the book by it's cover......?

nola, from the looks of it. but will still wait for review of the product 1st..

Another way is to test yourself.....

will do..upgrade spark plug 1st, n to check whether can upgrade air filter bo...

To me the spark plug not so much gain, maybe a smoother drive, if there is a difference.

Bigger spark does not necessarily mean more complete combustion. There r other factors n plenty of other methods to achieve tis (eg. iDSi's dual plug concept) when it comes to tis.

But seriously, by increasing the current to the plug n thus a bigger spark, it should technically wear down d plugs faster than d normal recommended rate. Wats d new recommened service period for d plugs or do we need tougher (higher rating) plugs once tis is installed? N do we need to keep an eye on d ignition system (distributor, plug cable etc)?

higher voltage, higher ampere.

Can the coils take the abuse/.?

Wah! then need Iridium plugs, that is the toughest now.......

any1 noe how much this thing will bump up d voltage a?

Bro. bladekiller, do you know??

This post has been edited by vr2turbo: Nov 10 2011, 01:37 PM

really have no idea.. i just know the price of it.
Moreover, I'm new in these things.

I thought you may have read the specification or something.....

Increase the voltage but ampere lower because higher ampere damage engine.

Yah! Is the high voltage that sparks. If high ampere also can kill, right?

any1 have data of d increment?

Check that thread also no data?

According to the seller,
the device is connected to the ignition fuse. in serie (after viewing the video).
thus this will boost up the whole voltage to the ignition circuit.

if using coil type, should not be a problem, but electronic ignition type,,,??? don't know if high voltage will fry the electronic components.

anyway this is an interesting gadget.

anybody giving a try on this?? be sure to post a review here

u try first then let us know.. quite interesting. only thing i scared might damage ceramic on the SP head. worst case scenario, bits of it fall into the cylinder and damage the valve seats

Everyone waiting for some one to try........

Get sample from seller for testing

Probably he will mention got warranty mah!
Anything wrong come back to him, but if something wrong with the unit then yes.
Something wrong with the car, your problem......

hmm u all mean something like MSD product?

Yup, something like the MSD ignition setup.....

Guys, if anyone is interested, there's a test run coming up.

Got that too. Are you going?

mayb will go n have a look. currently broke-no $ to buy this.
u?
test run does not necesarily mean nd to buy right??

Have to ask Peter.....

if u r going, be sure to review the outcome here! incase im unable to, might jz purchase it n get it shipped over.

If someone is testing maybe will drop by and have a look, as I am pass fitting these stuff already.....

looks like theres some positive reviews!!
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2098264&hl=

better wait longer n c anyone comes & complain...

This post has been edited by bladekiller: Nov 23 2011, 07:46 PM

Thing is with most plug and play or mod devices that claims to improve car performance and have better FC, don't you think the car manufacturer would have taken up the idea, or if it is patented, buy it up from you to be added to their cars. This will make their car better then others and can sure sell better.....

maybe to meet certain standards? fuel efficiency?
no idea.. :@

Well, better power suppose to be better fuel efficiency......

cost control probably? manufacturer may only need to make sure engine operation and FC is above par by comparing to other brand in the same class, any extra budget can go to comfort value i.e. better interior etc which probly has higher selling point

not all consumer applaud to higher spark voltage as compared to "a sleek modern design dashboard with integrated cup holder" especially in non-sport vehicle

Well, if it really works it can be used in the higher spec., or sports machine.....

The main reason for spark plug electrodes wear and tear, valve seat seal damage and piston heads experiencing pit holes in it is due to an extremely lean air-fuel mixture combustion.

In order to melt the electrodes, he would have had to run on overboost in a turbo engine with extremely lean air-fuel mixture. But for the issue to happen in only a few kilometres would be very doubtful.

In a way, I agree that to completely burn all the air-fuel mixture may not or not be possible, but the FireStorm Booster does increase the acceleration of the vehicle and you can experience a faster and smoother ride when compared to before installation.

Even for anyone off the streets who does not know anything about cars, they can feel the distinct difference in faster and smoother acceleration after the FireStorm Booster in installed.

As I have mentioned before, the only ones who dont or cant feel the difference are the ones expecting acceleration from gains of 5hp or more and also those who do not know/care about how their cars perform.

** When I met up with many of the LYN Forummers in KL the past week, I found some to have had very heavily modified engines and were obviously very heavy-footed in their driving skills. Truthfully, they would not be able to accept the gains after installing any aftermarket power enhancing devices if the power gains were not substantial.

No disrespect to anyone or any products and my apologies in advance, but I have been an enthusiast in fuel saving and power enhancing products since 1993 and I have tested many of the products that change the air intake ratio, increase the spark voltage or stabilize the battery voltage and found many of these products do not produce what they claim or that these products produce way much lesser than what was claimed.

Only once in a while when I come across a product that works to my expectation, then do I start to promote it to the public so that they too can experience power gains and fuel savings.

Back in 2004 when I was a dealer for the Discovery Air Power Injector, many people were skeptical because this same product was sold by car accessory shops whereby the installers were inexperienced in tuning the device and had caused the product to be shunned by the public. I went out to prove the skeptics wrong as I know how to tune the Air Power Injector and I had sold and won over the confidence of many of those skeptics.

My logic is simple.... why buy a product if it doesnt work? And how can I say a product works or does not if I have not even tested it? This was the reason why I made a trip down to KL the past week to meet those in this Forum who stated their interest to test this product.

However, sadly, many missed the opportunity for a free test which I offered as they did not turn up. But for those who had tested the FireStorm Booster, they were convinced and even gave a good review of the product. Of course, except for those as mentioned in the above paragraph ** whereby they had a higher expectation than what the product could deliver.

This is a Malaysian made product. I am NOT the manufacturer. I would be a rich man if I made this product.

Cheers.

You are correct.

I do agree that in basic electronics, more voltage equal more current.

Haltech HPI, MSD etc type of high voltage igniters work on that principle of pumping higher voltage into the primary windings of the ignition coil to get higher voltage output from the secondary coil. This manner of voltage boosting also boosts much higher currents and will eventually kill something more than just the ignition coils.

The FireStorm Booster does not work in this manner. It works by way of resonance and if you look at the principle of PWM where the increase in efficiency of the voltage frequency lowers the amount of current consumed yet increases the output voltage of the ignition coil.

Cheers.

Note that the FireStorm Booster does not have any grounding cables so it is not a capacitive device as capacitors need to be wired to ground to work. Please dont ask me how this device is designed as I am not the designer/manufacturer.

All petrol engines use an ignition coil to fire the spark plugs. Electronic ignitions are basically a CDI or TCI timing unit, also known as pre-igniters, to time the sparking and provide the drive voltage and current to the ignition coil. It is the ignition coil that fires the spark plug with its high secondary voltage.

NO, the FireStorm Booster had been designed and tested to not damage any other electrical components. I would not represent this product if it damages any other electrical components in the engine.

Cheers.

Yes, very well said and true.

Local car manufacturers try to have as little external parts to their already weak design to minimise parts failure. If this device or design was to be incorporated into the engine design, you would be paying at the very least, an extra RM2K-RM3K more due to the cost of R&D and integration.

Don't forget also that in Bolehland, the "grease" is very important if you want to sell your product to any GLC.

This post has been edited by flashaholic: Nov 30 2011, 03:25 PM

bro flashaholic,
hope u know that the purpose i open this thread is to seek for others opinion. & Appreciate you have provided yr input on this. i'm still a newbie so seeking the other more experienced members input is crucial.
*im saying this in case! in future i wanna buy from u, to avoid misunderstanding*
cheers!

Hey bro, dont worry. I am NOT offended. I am open to suggestions and discussions.

In fact I like people to query and have doubts about my product. You know why? Because when they finally test the product, they will then know that I am telling the truth then my product will be even more trusted by others.

It is good that you ask around to try to get some answers. There are some knowledgeable people in this Forum and they can offer some of their expertise and opinions.

Anyway, that was the reason I offered a free test of this FireStorm Booster last week when I was in KL so that those who dont know about this product can test it for free, no need to buy.

Even if they decide to buy, I want them to be happy when they buy it only because it works for them. If they paiseh have to buy just because they already test the product and find little improvement, then I wont sell to them. I have to take care of customers and my own name also.

I am not a conman or fly-by-night seller. Even when meeting up with Notoriez, Szern, cunix, IEIE, wimk, sparket and a few other, not all of them buy the product. The reason is because the product did not meet their expectations and I would not ask them to buy also.

So bro, dont worry, no harm done. In fact, I thank you for coming in to explain. Cool, OK?

Maybe next time I am in KL, you come over to test the FireStorm Booster then you tell me what you feel. Free test, no need to buy. Dont paiseh or else chiak ka ki! Hehe.

Cheers.

sure!
actually wanted to go for the test drive, but did not have time to go.
hopefully yr nx visit is some good dates

Next year during March school holidays! Hehehe.

Miss that day too as had something up. Maybe next round give us a longer head start on when you are coming....

Sure, sure. Will let you guys know earlier.

That day was a rush decision because my wife at the last minute said she wanted to take a break and visit her siste in KL. The last time we went to KL was in December 2010.

So now I can 90% confirm I will be in KL for the March school holidays in 2012. Hehe.

Cheers.

now dats wat i call seller! lol. nice explainations. not like wat in ur selling thread, onli 1 line statement..

If too early in the post before any testing by members are done and before any positive reviews are made by the members who have bought the product, there is a high chance of getting flamed and ridiculed. Not that I'm scared or worried about this, but its not constructive and damaging to the product name.

Most of the newbies to electromechanical and engine technology would not understand much of what is explained and causes even more confusion. I have had a few PM asking what I was explaining about. For the past 4 nights, I have been up till 2am replying to PM and requests for price and confirming sales of this product to LYN Forummers in Perlis, KL, Terengganu, Pahang, Johor and even to Miri in Sarawak!

Very tired fingers and brain! Haha.

If ask about almost the same question, can copy and paste......hahahaha

In case you guys arent following the main thread on the FireStorm Booster anymore, this reading of the voltage and current I took this afternoon should quell all your queries and theories.

I just tested on my Kancil 660M which has improvement in acceleration, meaning more torque throughout the entire RPM band, especially from idling and accelerating all the way up.

On idle, without the FireStorm Booster, the voltage measured at the incoming power to the ignition coil was 13.98V and current drawn was 1.98A but after installing the FireStorm Booster, the output voltage was 13.25V and current drawn was 1.85A and this means that the ignition coil is running cooler after installing the FireStorm Booster because both the voltage and current have dropped lower.

The voltage drop of 0.73V and current drop of 0.13A means that the ignition coil is running 0.095W cooler than before the installation of the FireStorm Booster.

I hope this dispells anymore doubts and theories that anyone may have regarding the FireStorm Booster melting plugs and burning out ignition coils, ECUs etc.

Have a great day!

Cheers.

Means it is boosting using less current......

lower voltage n lower current but increase sparks ????? good invention

Can be, if not why call booster......

finally bought 1 unit from flashaholic!

but donno why the stupid fuse can't pull out...even using the clip & small plyer. (almost wanna crack lik tat)
bring to some car service shop they say cannot also...

fuse can 'termakan' into the place meh?

you mean one of the fuse in the fuse box??

Yes bro... Don't know what happen to the fuses.. Nd ask service centre nx round

any dyno comparison results??

if not... any current users/future users wanna be guinea pig on the 7th??

Got welded together? Wah! put with pliers also cannot come out?

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Added on December 30, 2011, 9:48 amBro. Madman,
Where meeting up?

This post has been edited by vr2turbo: Dec 30 2011, 09:48 AM

yea...the fuse nearly cracked

Might as well pull out and change it. Means you still have not install the unit?

most likely the fuse and fusebox melted and fuse together

still in my drawer, waiting to install

oh is that the case? melted doesn't mean not working right...cos mine stil can work.
need to wait for my next service then to get it done

The fuse is not blown, probably the connection got fused/melted together, so it is still working.....

GT Auto...

check satria owners thread for details...




anyway....seriously...im interested to see a before and after dyno comparison.. guinea pig pls!!!

do share the results...

main reason i wanna know this on the dyno is bcoz i know of a spark plug cable that gives serious strength to the spark...the spark is much stronger when using these cables when compared to other branded plug cables during open tests (similar type of test to this ignition booster and the SITS test video)


but when doing a comparison test on the dyno... those spark plugs cables ended up being thrown to the floor.

test was done on multiple cars (all B series afaik) even using different units.

so stronger spark does not equal to more powah

and dont ask me wat plug cables were they... theyre unbranded and custom made.. all i know is that theyre pink in karer and costs about 4xx

+1

Eagerly awaiting.

Just a thought: Could do with the consistency of spark generation vs. bigger spark. How sure are you (or me for that matter) that every time the distributor contacts meet, the current jumping over is enough to generate a spark @ the spark plug? We are talking about big amps over thousands of cycles per minute. Perhaps we are seeing this all wrong? Again, just a thought.

So far, only bro. bladekiller has the unit.....

Need you and guinea piggy......

Ummm I am using this FireStorm as well on my bike not on my car it is simply connected between the ignition coil of the bike =) but result is real good no doubt, bought it from a sifu's fren, hv been using it with NGK iridium for 2 years + d so far no problem =)

We want to know the power increase on paper.....

wa need bo??? But quite true la feeling bo cun mia what shows on paper is more accurate XD

Just to see what amount of increase and worth the installation or not?

Any updates on the dyno guys? I am really looking into this product.