QUOTE(rachel_xxx @ Mar 11 2014, 09:48 PM)
same with Saga FLX SE, not same with Persona.Proton Prevé V20, Don't provoke the modest beast!
Proton Prevé V20, Don't provoke the modest beast!
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Mar 16 2014, 12:50 AM
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Mar 20 2014, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(clrtout @ Mar 20 2014, 02:02 PM) just sharing my experience.as proton slogan says, drive it to believe it. Don't be sad.on 17th march 2014, i went to proton glenmarie temasya service centre for my 20k km service. complaint on my seat, vibration, cvt leak and follow up regarding my last complaint about front windows rubber lining as well. in the evening, i was informed i need to leave the car as they found out vibration on my car was not due to engine mountings but a loose tensioner pulley. i was OMG. mileage was slightly over 20k km, not even 21k km yet. they promised to settle it the next day once all parts arrive. well, i have already guess it by that day with many experiences i read in the net that it is impossibru. now i am sharing my experience that my car is still at proton service center until today. fourth day and they still cannot verify with me how much longer i have to wait. already email to we care and someone to help push the order/ repair job on the that night when my car was admitted to service center. i guess this is normal eh? p/s: my 1st proton car and my first car that have to overnight at service center. coincidence? today is my preve's 1st year roadtax n insurance renewal, and i havent even got the chance to stick new roadtax to my preve. My Ford 1 year anniversary stayed in SC for 7 days. Also tak sempat nak stick new road tax At least you have weTAKcare who sometimes will take action, I call SDAC they anggap I tok kok oni. |
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Mar 20 2014, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(acronyx @ Mar 20 2014, 04:52 PM) Hi, hope someone can help a noob here with 1st time car buying Because the 2.9% is a the flat annual interest rate for 7 years.So I've got a deal with an SA for CFE for RM70k. Downpayment RM10k. I'm a bit confused by how the loan is calculated. The SA told me the formula to calculate it is RM60k (loan) * 2.9% (interest) * 7 (years) + RM60k / 84 (months) which brings the monthly payment to RM859. Is this correct? What I want to know is why he has to x 7 (years)? Which means, for 7 years you pay a total of 2.9% x 7 = 20.3% of interest of your RM60k. |
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Mar 20 2014, 08:50 PM
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Apr 1 2014, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(terryble @ Apr 1 2014, 09:51 AM) anyone has tried that? IINM Preve's iridium plugs are for longer replacement intervals. The output is the same as those normal shorter-lifespan copper plugs my 2 cents towards firestorm is that...preve's iridium plug is very strong (costly as well) and does not need extra boost to the powerful spark... therefore i dun think adding a firestorm will significantly enhance the performance... anyway still need some preverian to confirm this However, Preve will benefit more from the Super Firestorm, the Normal Firestorm may not make much difference. This post has been edited by dares: Apr 1 2014, 10:30 AM |
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Apr 1 2014, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(terryble @ Apr 1 2014, 11:43 AM) General information about Iridium spark plugs. Thanks for the link Iridium is an extremely hard metallic element, related to platinum, which is thought to occur on earth primarily due to an enormous meteor impact millions of years ago. Other than it's hardness, the main property which makes Iridium attractive as an electrode material for spark plugs is its extremely high melting point (almost 2,500 deg C). Since late in the 20th century Iridium has been used in alloy form as material of choice for construction of Spark plug and industrial igniter electrodes. Pure Iridium is difficult to work with, very brittle and does not have great electrical conductivity hence alloys are used to give the best combination of these properties. An Iridium alloy electrode is able to deliver good conductivity and extreme hardness. The result is that an Iridium electrode can be manufactured with an extremely small diameter, when compared to a traditional copper or even a platinum tipped electrode, without compromising the useful life of the electrode or spark plug. The narrow diameter concentrates the electrical charge and therefore a much lower voltage is required to jump the spark gap. This is beneficial in several ways: A lower voltage is required, this reduces load on a vehicle's ignition system (less strain = less chance of failure) A larger gap can be supported without increasing load on the ignition system (Larger gap = larger spark = more efficient combustion) A more precise spark every time, delivered in the correct position and with the correct timing (More efficient combustion) Assuming a suitable Iridium plug is available, benefits you are most likely to see are: Improved throttle response Improved economy (though this depends largely on how much you enjoy the improved throttle response!) Increased plug service life (Depending on design, an Iridium plug could last up to ten times the life of a standard plug with little reduction in efficiency over the plug's lifespan) Increased engine power (Don't expect to double your horsepower but a 1 - 3% increase is possible) Improved (reduced) emissions. SOURCE HERE Well it is clear that iridium plugs are good enough to stand the extra heat from your super duper ultra kuat firestorm (as i heard that firestorm reduce the life of traditional plug significantly due to extra heat it generates)....but whether is adds additional benefits on the already kuat plug is questionable... I'm not sure what kind of Iridium plugs the Preve is using, but suffice to say many Preve owners have installed it with positive feedback. I'd like to hear what they have to say as well. Anyway, If you have read previous discussions on this product, you will see that it has been clarified by the Penang distributor that Firestorm does not generate extra heat in your ignition systems. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2099257/all I'm not a seller, BTW, just a satisfied user This post has been edited by dares: Apr 1 2014, 12:19 PM |
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Apr 1 2014, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ Apr 1 2014, 12:29 PM) Preve CFE stock uses NGK Iridium ILKAR7G7 size Thanks Preve Exec using same as all normal Campro... Bosch HGR7DQI, Denso IT20... QUOTE(terryble @ Apr 1 2014, 12:42 PM) haha glad to know that u are happy with the add on~~ My experience not in a Preve (was a Saga FLX SE and Fiesta), so irrelevant to tell here also. If you are a member of PREVOC, maybe you can ask in their fb?mind to share the experience in details? coz i also read some where which a guy claim that his plug was toast after a few months of use ~~~cannot recall what car model~~and the discussion goes on recommending him other type of plugs~~ hmm but it is hard to believe 5x stronger spark (as it claims) does not add additional heat~~ I'm not savvy in how electronic works, better ask the seller (flashaholic) instead of me |
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Apr 2 2014, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(terryble @ Apr 1 2014, 10:44 PM) haha i am not an anti salesman either...but below are one of the statement of the user... From what little I understand, the user was not using Firestorm but rather a device of his own design that also creates a larger spark, which I suspect works like those aftermarket performance spark plug cables, which DOES generate extra heat. In the same thread the seller claims that FS produces lower voltage and lower ampere, that's why there is no excessive heat as byproduct. vr2turbo: You ask me ah? I am not an expert leh, so many other sifus around..... blush.gif As far as I know you may feel smoother acceleration but whether harmful or not you have to find out, but I can contribute the following story. My mechanic's brother is a technical guy, so following the same theory, he modified and made a module sort of like the one shown to increase the spark. Yes, according to him smoother acceleration, but he melted his spark plugs after running a few km only.....Maybe he over did it, I am not sure, but he took it out and replace the spark plugs..... biggrin.gif Anyway, there are also theory that mention bigger spark not necessary will complete the burning of the air fuel ratio in the combustion chamber.... sad.gif original source same as posted on the above...just dunno what his brother modded~~ SOURCE CLICK HERE Anyway im no expert or engineer~~ what i "heard" is mostly based on what i "read" in this forum (or zerotohundred)~~i think the user who complain (not the above) the product ultimately change his plugs and moved on~~dunno if there are further feedback from him... as far as i know...car manufacturers take power boosting technology and fuel consumption saving technology very seriously... if his product is great~~it could be included in our cars of the future |
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QUOTE(MBC270cdi @ Apr 20 2014, 09:54 PM) U r right, there's no temperature meter in the car, but the question is whether there's this outside temperature sensor, this will decide whether the "Climatic Control" feature is for real or fake because this system will need an outside Temperature sensor to function properly. Auto Climate control measures cabin temperature, not outside temperature.This post has been edited by dares: Apr 20 2014, 11:58 PM |
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Apr 21 2014, 10:17 AM) I have Torque and bluetooth OBD2 adaptor. In clear air, cruising at 80 kph, the Intake Air Temp (IAT) is 40*C. During traffic jams, it goes to 75*C. That seems quite hot, but once you start moving it quickly goes down back to 40*C. QUOTE(khairilyazit @ Apr 21 2014, 10:46 AM) well.. 40 degrees C is still high.. the timing is probably retarded... IINM Saga's intake temp also hovers around 40°c-50°c most of the time, I think it's pretty normal lah. most turbo with intercooler aims to get IAT near or below ambient temp.. a cooler IAT is probably more beneficial to the engine.. 75°c is quite hot |
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QUOTE(kulatkia @ Apr 25 2014, 12:00 AM) Not too worry I'm learning. I was told by my SA, turbo only turn on when rpm reach above 2.5 so I have this question in my mind :blush in fact that wrong info capture after I read Ur explanation... Thx anyway The turbo only spools to full boost at 2k RPM, below that it the turbine is still spinning the pump, just not producing a lot of boost if any at all.Anyway, the CFE has lower compression compared to IAFM+. If it so happens that your turbo rosak-ed and not boosting at all, it should be producing less power than the IAFM+ and consuming more fuel. This post has been edited by dares: Apr 25 2014, 12:32 AM |
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QUOTE(kulatkia @ Apr 25 2014, 08:08 AM) thx bro, is tat meant below 2krpm that might possible consume more petrol as its heavy weight body (underpower condition)... The turbo boost don't just suddenly turn on at 2k RPM....it is still spooling below 2k RPM, just not spooled to maximum boost. Study the torque graph below![]() at 1,900 RPM the CFE (blue line) is already producing more torque than a non-turbo CPS engine (green line), so it is definitely not underpowered. You will only feel underpower if the turbo rosaked and not spooling at all. This post has been edited by dares: Apr 25 2014, 09:58 AM |
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QUOTE(kulatkia @ Apr 25 2014, 01:15 PM) btw mind to educate why there is decreasing of torque after 5k rpm. if i understand correctly from the graph, tis preve is just as good as pick up, after this it just same normal cps engine. and also just wondering why some of forumer comment CFE engine as similar performance as standard 2.0L engine. sorry for the doubt again, trying to learn from all of u Every internal combustion engine has a RPM range where the engine is running most efficiently that is where it is generating the maximum amount of torque, after that range the torque will drop as the efficiency drops. It's just a matter of how quickly it drops and how low it will drop before the engine hits redline. Many factors such as AFR, stroke x bore size, compression ratio, injection method, induction type etc. etc. will affect where and how much is the peak torque, and how quickly and low it will drop after peak torque. Proton has cited that the CFE output to be similiar to a 2.0 NA due to the the max torque being similiar to a 2.0 NA engine, although the horsepower is lower than most 2.0 NA engines. For example, Inspira 2.0 generates 199 Nm of torque at 4,250RPM, while CFE generates 205 Nm of torque from 2k RPM - 4k RPM. Inspira 2.0 generates 150 horsepower at 6,000 RPM, while CFE generates 140 horsepower at 5,750 RPM. |
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Apr 27 2014, 10:53 PM) A few minutes later when traffic clears, I got to 80 kph and the temps quickly goes down. Here I am decelerating (foot off the pedal, that's why the fuel flow is so low and it is deep in vaccuum: Preve deceleration (lift off throttle, engine braking) doesn't go into open loop mode? [attachmentid=3948629] |
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QUOTE(clayton-chew @ Apr 30 2014, 11:27 PM) Hi guys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_AnnouncementJust got my preve exec AT today. I notice under the tuner settings on my car entertainment, there is this function call "traffic". Just wondering what does it do? It lets you tune in to traffic announcement programmes. In short, it is useless in Malaysia. |
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QUOTE(ZeroHavoc @ May 2 2014, 04:53 PM) guys, is x1r good for my manual preve? Already proven X1R causes sludge build up. because the one in the complain letter are for cfe variant. the staff called me just now to confirm the service but i reject the x1r since many say tht its bad for engine. wonder if it will work for manual? sludge in engine = no good, doesn't matter CFE or IAFM. |
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QUOTE(davidlow7 @ May 3 2014, 03:36 PM) Cruising 110km/h @ 90km distance give me 6.9l/100km Wrong unit used? Mixed town driving without much jam give me about 8.5km/l If peak hour with a lot of jam it gives me 9.5km/l.. or slightly more... So if you are a cruiser without much in jam area.. the Preve is top in its class for its FC.. being a C-Segment and have advance active/passive safety features required for high-speed cruising. |
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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ May 6 2014, 08:20 PM) Today i told my colleague that I had tested drive proton preve last saturday and fell very nice and want buy.. After this, all bang me that proton useless d, cant lasts long.. All ask me go see Toyota and honda.. But then i tell them if pocket blank, then why force yourself to buy those car just for fame.. Thats just the beginning. At least can feel proton preve quality better than previous model a lot.. Hmm, I would say why people hate it due to previous perception.. And also ppl hate it was protected.. Like now ppl will say Nokia, sony all noob.. Must use samsung and apple.. Just they are lack of updated knowledge.. Survey ourselves and get our own prefer choices.. No need care other people say d. No need argue or debate d.. Coz they not understand.. I'm not preve owner yet.. But highly possible will become owner in coming. If you really buy the car, they will start looking at you one kind, talk behind your back, say you poorfag or maybe need to help family member settle gambling debt deswai buy Proton. Some just wanna join the herd mentality, because you know, bashing Proton is fashionable. I bet they don't know anything about cars outside of T/H. I currently drive a Fiesta, I told my friend I might trade my Fiesta for a Preve or Suprima next year, I think his brain almost exploded. He told me better keep the Fiesta la, why buy Proton la, buy the lowest spec Honda Accord like him la etc. etc. padahal his Accord d/p was paid by his dad and every month he also sakit hati when paying 1/3 of his income for the installment. But you know, asalkan ada muka, coz he is in sales. I just told him instead of buying one Accord, I'll buy 2 Preves and I get 12 airbags. |
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