It won't drop so fast I think. Even it will most probably still be around RM500 range.
By that time there most probably will be drive faster than SSD. I think during that time, you most likely will switch to a new laptop already. gtx860m hardly can play the current high demanding games already, I can't imagine in 5 years time. haha
It will be installed in the fastest drive/cache.

P.S: Sorry I'm not Acer Nitro user, you need to consult those Acer user for the FN key stuff

This post has been edited by miong93: Apr 17 2015, 04:58 PM

i'm blind

it's FN+F9 to toggle the keyboard backlight.

I'm the only gamer in my family so i don't mind the lights lelz, but the others they don't like it now got solution.



anyone know how i can manage the graphics on this acer laptop ?

i read because of dual gpu, only can use 1 at a time. or setup a profile to auto depending on application used.

so how do i just switch to the nvidia gpu ? i couldn't find any documentation on this


*update

think i found it.

Under nvidia control panel, manage 3d settings.

it has a preferred graphics processor auto, nvidia or internal gpu. I'm not sure how effective auto works, so i just set prefer nvidia.


*update

i don't think it works correctly. because in the taskbar there is the icon for nvidia says no gpu activity. also under nvidia control panel applications for mpc, it says preferred intel and it's greyed out not sure why :/


under applications, its split between some apps under auto will select nvidia/intel (not sure how they decided that), then the other options is preferred nvidia or intel manually selected.

Anyway my hearthstone is locked on nvidia so no problem.

The problem is MPC-HC which is locked on intel. How do i change this ? It's greyed out

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 17 2015, 05:54 PM

Try not to use dual gpu, cause most of the time it is referred to SLI. (well at least for me)
From what I read, I guess you really are a newcomer in gaming right ? Or at least in the technology.
First, if you don't know what you're trying to do, just leave everything to default. By default, your nvidia gpu will be in use when you're playing games or using software like Photoshop. In normal usage, like Browsing website or Office work, it won't be using it. It will use the integrated Intel card.
If you change everything to use Nvidia gpu, your laptop battery will drain very fast as nvidia gpu use up more power. It may also lead to your laptop being a bit warmer compared to when using intel card.

no i don't mean SLI. i meant the laptop has 2 gpus, one is intel and the other is nvidia 860m.

but the problem is HC-MPC which i use to watch movies is defaulted to intel integrated. It's greyed out and locked :{ can't change to nvidia.

It shouldn't be using intel integrated for mpc media playback :{ i donno how to fix that.

this definitely would explain the dropped frames when playing a hl5.1 10bit encoded 1080p anime of redline. Even with medium settings on KCP codec pack



*update

managed to find someone else with this specific issue
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/52...issue/?offset=9

apparently nvidia driver locked this setting for media players like vlc, and mpc. Why they do this i don't know.


but what someone said caught my eye



the other solution they mentioned is renaming the mpc.exe to something else, then adding a profile for the renamed mpc.......






Or actually i can try reinstall the gpu drivers by using DDU and install intel first, before nvidia and see if that fixes the issue.



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 17 2015, 07:21 PM

I see no reason to use nvidia gpu in watching video. Does the frame rate really affect the experience and clearness of the anime you're watching ? Resolution doesn't matter I believe.
If you really want to make it use nvidia gpu, I think you need to tweak some settings, which goes beyond convention clicking few buttons to settle the issue. I don't recommend installing old driver, it will have lots of issue when you're playing frequently released or current games.

actually i'm getting massive frame drops in mpc when it uses the intel gpu. i think that is a valid enough reason to want to use the nvidia gpu for video playback

i did some research on how to go about doing that.

In nvidia inspector can force it to make mpc use nvidia gpu. this worked however i get a 2nd issue, which is a black screen.

looking further it's either a nvidia optimis driver issue, or a madvr issue. either way, neither has come up with a fix. madvr by madashi in a previous release did try to fix the issue for nvidia optimus, but it doesn't seem to fix it for me.

By the way i was using kawaii codec pack MPC version.

In the end i switched to kawaii codec pack mpc-BE version. also i changed the
video renderer in mpc-be to video mixing 9 renderless which seems to work without issue.

From my video playback testing using a 1080p 10bit hl5.1 encoding profile video redline anime, i do not notice any stutter or frame drops. is very smooth. and this is on KCP highest preset.

Though to be fair i think highest preset had MADVR in mind ......

But in the filter, lav video/audio/splitter, xysubfilter, reclock all loaded. only thing missing was madvr.


That is the best i can do for now until either nvidia driver or madvr come up with a fix for this issue



In summary

1. can use MPC-BE using nvidia 860m maxwell 2gb vram to watch my videos
2. no stutter, lag, drop frames watching high profile video encoded content

downside
1. can't use madvr for now. but considering all the other filters i needed work, i'll live though i hope either nvidia or madvr come up with a fix.
2. in a separate matter, i read nvidia optimus will switch between intel and nvidia for youtube. but i did not observe this, so i manually set chrome to use nvidia. So not sure if switching auto for youtube is true or not :/ but i would have preferred that. But for now i'll use HWmonitor to check the temperature.

PS: i used DDU to cleanly reinstall intel and nvidia drivers to their latest version. also total uninstall to uninstall KCP, as well as ccleaner to fix the registry during this entire test try process

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 18 2015, 12:55 AM

I am really confused now, which one is better in terms of Performance and price, The lenovo Y50 or the Acer v nitro?

Ive use both of the laptop, lemme share some pros and cons:

Pros

Nitro - better screen (IPS display), louder speaker, good cooling, 85'C CPU & 83'C GPU Battlefield 3 Ultra. Got extra M.2 Sata Slot

Y50 - Better keyboard, Better build quality, great cooling, 73'C CPU & 70'C GPU Battlefield 3 Ultra. Easier maintenance and upgrade.

Cons

Nitro - Build quality not so good (on my usage i find its easy to chip the matte surface of the laptop), maintenance is harder, need extra skills to open up the laptop.

Y50 - TN Panel Display sucks, really sucks it hurts my eyes. Lol. Just change to IPS display then it would be perfect. no extra MSATA or M.2 slot, a bit dissapointed with it, have to live with single hard disk.

Can't you just download a different video with different encoding ?
For me, even I'm watching blu ray 1080p movies, the video is smooth enough for me to not realize any fps drop and screen tearing. Does having a different encoding format makes the video nicer ? I personally find that there is not much different besides the obvious file size. Your laptop is not meant to be like home theater-like machine, so I think having a very good quality video + audio file format is not necessary. You still won't feel the strong bass, can't see much different in 15'' screen.

P.S: Maybe I'm not so into video stuff. Sorry about that

Uh.... no ? lel. I'm not going to download 720p 8bit content for anime, when there is 1080p 10bit .... it's kinda like telling an audiophile who listens to flac to instead listen to mp3s

i don't belittle others who like mp3s ... but to each their own. In this case it doesn't make sense why i would buy a nvidia gpu laptop and not be able to use it for my video media playback


the acer don't have a woofer like the illegear z5. i don't mind. what bothers me though was the consistent and huge frame rate drops at medium settings on KCP I think even lowest setting also the same.

BUt to be fair i think it's a bug in either madvr, or nvidia driver, i'm not sure which is the culprit. Madashi who develops madvr said in a previous release he fixed the black screen issue but it isn't so. Using the latest madvr and nvidia drivers (clean install).

Even my solution i end up not being able to use madvr, as i'm resorting to MPC-BE/KCP with renderer EVR-CP as a temporary and still acceptable solution for now. But at the very least now after using nvidia inspector i can use nvidia gpu for playback on either MPC-HC or MPC-BE.

Now watching videos using mpc i don't see any frame rate loss, which is pretty much what concerned me the most out of this debacle

no problem

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 18 2015, 01:18 PM

Doesn't there exist a different encoding for 1080p ? Why don't you try to search whether there is other encoding for 1080p instead of sticking to the current one. I'm not into video encoding stuff so I can't help you on it.
What I know is, it is most probably one of the party issue. Be it nvidia or madvr. But you really can't expect much from your laptop, even Z5 also. You can't get the experience like Home Theater with a budget "gaming" laptop. It is called gaming for a reason. Nvidia tends to focus more on gaming side. I'm not sure whether your video player will be utilizing the CUDA core or not.

well the encoding isn't the issue cause i can playback just fine on my desktop. the issue here is the media playback configuration issue due to faulty software that doesn't work correctly in this case affecting optimus laptops which have a combo of intel + nvidia gpus (in my case a 860m maxwell)

yeah it's not really an acer specific thing, because it seems this 860 issue is also affecting other branded laptops. Or more accurately any laptop solution with a dynamic switching similar to nvidia optimus technology, when it works in conjunction with say intel integrated gpu.

i think even ati is affected somewhat, though i didn't look too much into that. As to what exactly causes this in madvr i can't pin down, i only regurgitate what others mentioned on that.

Also the issue isn't in regards to budget gaming laptop. the issue is software

Anyway i'll notify madashi on doom9 forum and see if he can work this out. i'll post a fix if it ever comes along

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 18 2015, 01:58 PM

I see. Doesn't there exist a lot of video player software ? Why not try switching to a different software

bro, when you buy the laptop , does it come with laptop bag?

what is the acer v nitro price now?

all affected. Here is the bugtracker for madvr regarding this issue
http://bugs.madshi.net/view.php?id=233


basically the drivers for both ati and nvidia mobile laptops that have dual gpu switching e.g. nvidia/intel on optimis or similar, are having a black screen if using madvr as renderer.

affected players are vlc, mpc, mpc-be, etc. Doesn't matter what player you switch to, can't use madvr basically.

I have no idea when nvidia is going to fix this ....







This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 18 2015, 02:23 PM

I need a laptop can last at least (3 years) for gaming and every day use.

Which one should I get - Acer vnitro black edition or the lenovo y50?

And thats a good review in page 112, i read all of it and it means the battery of acer vnitro cannot be removed?? I'm the type that plugs from power supply all the time, wouldnt that spoil my battery?

Seems like the price for Acer v nitro is 3699RM with GST, sigh. Thats quite pricey coming from 3399Rm one month ago. (I went digital mall most of them charged around 3.7kRM)

This post has been edited by -Torrz: Apr 18 2015, 03:23 PM

Well,

Both the cooling system is fine with the y50 getting the edge as the Acer needs some tweaking.

No, Li Ion batteries is preferred to be charge as soon as possible. Deep discharge and recharge is bad for the battery. Most of the time battery life span reduce is because of heat and bad battery.

Specs wise they both are on par.

Cooling wise same but need some tweaking on acer part.

screen wise. Lenovos screen isnt the best as it has a lot of complaint while if i remember correctly acer is using IPS panel.

As long as you keep it well. It will last you a long time.

Happy hunting.

the keyboard of the y50 is much better too if you do type a lot.
as a complete package i would go with the y50 despite the average screen (I am actually ok with it then again I come from the age where CRTs were a norm lolx)

Trust me, i would prefer CRTs over my Y50 shitty TN panel.