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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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post Jan 25 2014, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 25 2014, 10:02 AM)
I am quite surprised to see u actually voted that.

For those who think prop prices didn't falll, I saw my friend neighbour 2.5 storey house just dropped in auction price again.

540k(bank tho that they wrongly put the price) -> 900k -> 810k -> 729k -> 653k latest.

See whether there is any taker this time.
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Name of property? Size 22x75? Freehold?? Location??
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post Jan 25 2014, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 25 2014, 10:02 AM)
I am quite surprised to see u actually voted that.

For those who think prop prices didn't falll, I saw my friend neighbour 2.5 storey house just dropped in auction price again.

540k(bank tho that they wrongly put the price) -> 900k -> 810k -> 729k -> 653k latest.

See whether there is any taker this time.
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Wow, that is definitely bubble bursting !!!!!!

Where is the house man ? 2.5 storey landed in KV for RM653k ? I want !!!! Got link ?
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post Jan 25 2014, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 25 2014, 09:13 AM)

for businesses of high end flipping.. business dun last forever.. I just house cleaned and sell off a datuks paparich in brickfields.. so though is not vonclusive...
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Bro bbw is an reality agent ? no wonder you are good on the prop field .


QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 25 2014, 10:02 AM)
I am quite surprised to see u actually voted that.

For those who think prop prices didn't falll, I saw my friend neighbour 2.5 storey house just dropped in auction price again.

540k(bank tho that they wrongly put the price) -> 900k -> 810k -> 729k -> 653k latest.

See whether there is any taker this time.
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bro gspirit , the property that you mentioned above is at disaster accident area right Or proposed lrt sideskirt area ? this really make sense .
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post Jan 25 2014, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 25 2014, 10:02 AM)
I am quite surprised to see u actually voted that.

For those who think prop prices didn't falll, I saw my friend neighbour 2.5 storey house just dropped in auction price again.

540k(bank tho that they wrongly put the price) -> 900k -> 810k -> 729k -> 653k latest.

See whether there is any taker this time.
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Bro gspirit,

Need no far away, my own neighbour also selling at below average asking price few months back.. but u might be surprise people is more willing to come and see those higher price unit instead of this 1, as the occupant earlier had committed suicide in this house.
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post Jan 25 2014, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 25 2014, 09:50 AM)
the only thing that doesn't make sense is if property is really so good and the price keeps on increasing...then everyone can just buy property and sit at home and relax and wait to collect money?

if that's the case no need invest in stock or mutual funds etc....all whack in property...

from my observation, property definitely go up...but only in long term...i've seen real case for property bought in 1997 time and the price went down after that for next 10 years....but only recent 3-5 years the price pick up again and now back to positive earning if compared to original purchase price...

so long term...it is always UP UP UP !!! it is almost impossible for price to drop...like someone say prior to this..the RM1mil u see now is not the same as RM1mil 10 years ago...if that's the case, how is it possible that the house price will drop ??? if price remain also means you don't earn money already....

my 2 cents... so regardless if it's bubble now or not...long term, and i define as 10 years or more...sure UP ! 100% guaranteed....
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Dailou u still taugei meii... dailou if what you say really true.. folliwing your tend.. DSL outskirt 750k now originally 450k. 2 years after vp.. means another 8 another 800k increase at least plus yearly increase in house and etc.. 200k.. means ur 750k prop is going to be 1.75m in 10 years time.. in 20 years time... 3.3 million liao.. got logic bo...

the price of 750k is already a future 10 years price.. datis d flipped price.. buyers need to wait another 10 years only can increase.. so many agents around.. dun think out of the box..
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post Jan 25 2014, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Jan 25 2014, 11:12 AM)
Bro gspirit,

Need no far away, my own neighbour also selling at below average asking price few months back.. but u might be surprise people is more willing to come and see those higher price unit instead of this 1, as the occupant earlier had committed suicide in this house.
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I also saw one condo .. miharja condo.. 260k.. owner letting go.. desperate for money liao.. just posted today.. rental while house around 1.6k..
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post Jan 25 2014, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Actchan @ Jan 25 2014, 10:47 AM)
Bro bbw is an reality agent ? no wonder you are good on the prop field .
bro gspirit , the property that you mentioned above is at disaster accident area right Or proposed lrt sideskirt area ? this really make sense .
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Lol I am not a prop agent dun categorise me with these ppl.. yucks.. I dun flip I just clean them off as a repomen..

I got another 2 as well on 4th day of CNY .. chinese penang poor family..haizzx

This post has been edited by bearbearwong: Jan 25 2014, 11:35 AM
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post Jan 25 2014, 11:36 AM

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Sorry for late reply:

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k-house-forsale
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post Jan 25 2014, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 25 2014, 10:41 AM)
Wow, that is definitely bubble bursting !!!!!!

Where is the house man ? 2.5 storey landed in KV for RM653k ? I want !!!! Got link ?
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Tun hussien onn there near d windows on d park.. I guess ..
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post Jan 25 2014, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Jan 25 2014, 11:12 AM)
Bro gspirit,

Need no far away, my own neighbour also selling at below average asking price few months back.. but u might be surprise people is more willing to come and see those higher price unit instead of this 1, as the occupant earlier had committed suicide in this house.
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According to my friend, people are more willing to go for new launch, rather than subsale in this area. Many subsales around this areas are not sold for the past 2-3 yrs. my frnd didn't say people dying inside.
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post Jan 25 2014, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(cooleq @ Jan 25 2014, 08:28 AM)
Actually it's not easy for people to get loan to service multiple units nowadays unless you can convince bank with your income,passive income,fd and cash reserve. There is a lot of rich people out there and I'm sure they now how to manage money above the average Joe and not put money in one basket. Even if you dare to have a multiple units it's not easy for loan approval unless u really have money. Now 3rd loan and above need to pay 30% down payment mean the multiple unit of property really have a strong cash in their pocket..But if you say that properties price will go down to 50% I'm sure average Joe also suffer.
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The weakest link are those gen y flippers who bought multiple dibs units before stringent loan criteria is enforced or took advantages of loop holes. The market doesn't need many of these people to depress the price when their properties taken vp.

QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 25 2014, 11:46 AM)
According to my friend, people are more willing to go for new launch, rather than subsale in this area. Many subsales around this areas are not sold for the past 2-3 yrs.  my frnd didn't say people dying inside.
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Buyers of subsales need to pay loan installment on completion, new launch can "hold" for 3 to 4 years. Hence, flippers preferred new launch.

It take 12 to 24 months from npl to auction, and some auction (e.g. good location) is not announced publicly, hence, few people are aware.


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post Jan 25 2014, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 25 2014, 11:46 AM)
According to my friend, people are more willing to go for new launch, rather than subsale in this area. Many subsales around this areas are not sold for the past 2-3 yrs.  my frnd didn't say people dying inside.
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These are agents.. dat TTDI groove kajang 250units DSL empty till now but sold.. explain a bit lor.. all empty house got ppl comit sucide.. I suggest u tell lar which service apartment got sucide.. let the whole project go down.. agents go and entertain the potential buyers at weekend..
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 25 2014, 11:49 AM)
The weakest link are those gen y flippers who bought multiple dibs units before stringent loan criteria is enforced or took advantages of loop holes. The market doesn't need many of these people to depress the price when their properties taken vp.
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Ya lar.. gen y.. sumore I dare say 70 % chinese flippers.. and most are agents.. and 50% percent sure utar grads if I m not mistaken.. they think their utar network is big...

these agents only flip in chinese mainly targeted area.. othet area they no go..

worse ting is expect the upper middle class and professional to buy from them.. siao ahhh

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post Jan 25 2014, 12:02 PM

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bearbearwong repoman, how to attend private auction?
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post Jan 25 2014, 12:06 PM

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the local english newspaper also put malaysia as property bubble rank together with hk. Sg. China vietnam etc.
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jan 25 2014, 12:02 PM)
bearbearwong repoman, how to attend private auction?
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Private.. public auction I have encounter b4.. private I do research first..

private auction I tink just call d agents.. they set up one.. also inflated price one.. no meal is free..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 25 2014, 11:55 AM)
Ya lar.. gen y.. sumore I dare say 70 % chinese flippers.. and most are agents.. and 50% percent sure utar grads if I m not mistaken.. they think their utar network is big...

these agents only flip in chinese mainly targeted area.. othet area they no go..

worse ting is expect the upper middle class and professional to buy from them.. siao ahhh
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That is too much of a generalisation haha, pity utar grads. From what i see flippers come from all walks of life, and yes rich flippers aplenty, they are opportunistic and the intention is never to hold for extended periods of time. Holding vacant properties for many years is a losing proposition. Best approach is to ride on an early wave of bull run, not at the tail end buying over inflated properties then preach holding power for 10, 15 years just to break even. Yes, break even. Many failed to factor interest into the equation.
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post Jan 25 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 25 2014, 10:02 AM)
I am quite surprised to see u actually voted that.

For those who think prop prices didn't falll, I saw my friend neighbour 2.5 storey house just dropped in auction price again.

540k(bank tho that they wrongly put the price) -> 900k -> 810k -> 729k -> 653k latest.

See whether there is any taker this time.
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DIBS simply skews the demand of the market and creates some froth. Its removal around Q4 2013 by banks coincided with the Budget 2014 announcement, hence it is reasonable for the market to stabilise for one to two quarters. It is a good thing that it is removed.

Q1 2014 is a good time to get a property if you are buying for own stay. After Chinese New Year is usually when buyers return to the market. If the market is not doing well, most developers will simply delay launches to reduce supply. The reduction in supply has been the case since Q4 2013 to-date.

Malaysia's working population is quite young and increasing, and projected 2014 GDP will be better than 2013, so it is a matter of time (I think around Q2 2014) when demand catches up again.
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QUOTE(BTimes @ Jan 25 2014, 12:36 PM)
DIBS simply skews the demand of the market and creates some froth.  Its removal around Q4 2013 by banks coincided with the Budget 2014 announcement, hence it is reasonable for the market to stabilise for one to two quarters.  It is a good thing that it is removed.

Q1 2014 is a good time to get a property if you are buying for own stay.  After Chinese New Year is usually when buyers return to the market.  If the market is not doing well, most developers will simply delay launches to reduce supply.  The reduction in supply has been the case since Q4 2013 to-date.

Malaysia's working population is quite young and increasing, and projected 2014 GDP will be better than 2013, so it is a matter of time (I think around Q2 2014) when demand catches up again.
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Yea.. by limiting it, let the supply suck in by the demand before bull running again.. Anyway the amount of subsale still domanate than primary market.. As there are still ppl hunting for houses every year, and with limited new launches, not bad news for current subsale sellers... ratio of transaction will be more on 2ndary market this year I guess..
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QUOTE(BTimes @ Jan 25 2014, 12:36 PM)
DIBS simply skews the demand of the market and creates some froth.  Its removal around Q4 2013 by banks coincided with the Budget 2014 announcement, hence it is reasonable for the market to stabilise for one to two quarters.  It is a good thing that it is removed.

Q1 2014 is a good time to get a property if you are buying for own stay.  After Chinese New Year is usually when buyers return to the market.  If the market is not doing well, most developers will simply delay launches to reduce supply.  The reduction in supply has been the case since Q4 2013 to-date.

Malaysia's working population is quite young and increasing, and projected 2014 GDP will be better than 2013, so it is a matter of time (I think around Q2 2014) when demand catches up again.
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Media, including this one, is such a powerful tool to skew people's thinking. They put in the mental multiple choices for u to choose. If enough people chose an option, it became reality. What made u blieve that market will stabilise after one to two quaters ?

Who, investors or houseowner or agent or developer, control the market ?

This post has been edited by gspirit01: Jan 25 2014, 12:50 PM

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