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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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post Jan 14 2014, 05:40 PM

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Oh no, I'm in the (black) list! tongue.gif
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post Jan 25 2014, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Jan 25 2014, 12:12 AM)
Why Southeast Asia's Boom Is A Bubble-Driven Illusion
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2...waiting-to-pop/
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The author has been penning sensational articles about crashes to generate more viewership, which in turn drives up subscriptions for Forbes' publications. Malaysia and Singapore are doing very well with the new measures to filter out flippers. 2014 GDP forecast are quite rosy as US and EU (main export markets) are recovering. Just remember the $1mil you see today is not the same as $1mil you see 5 years ago. Don't be alarmed by the apparent high price tag; they are just illusions of eroded purchasing power due to inflation. Everyone is just getting poorer everyday with the same $1 in the pocket.
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post Jan 25 2014, 08:29 AM

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In case someone wants to label me as a crazy UUU protagonist, I share with you that I voted for "Yes, pockets of bubble bursting". I agree that some areas are likely to have been badly speculated by flippers due to DIBS. However in general, the demand is real just that prices in those areas are a bit bubbly. Choose wisely and go for those near transport nodes, as I expect fuel price and traffic congestion to increase over the next few years.
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post Jan 25 2014, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 25 2014, 10:02 AM)
I am quite surprised to see u actually voted that.

For those who think prop prices didn't falll, I saw my friend neighbour 2.5 storey house just dropped in auction price again.

540k(bank tho that they wrongly put the price) -> 900k -> 810k -> 729k -> 653k latest.

See whether there is any taker this time.
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DIBS simply skews the demand of the market and creates some froth. Its removal around Q4 2013 by banks coincided with the Budget 2014 announcement, hence it is reasonable for the market to stabilise for one to two quarters. It is a good thing that it is removed.

Q1 2014 is a good time to get a property if you are buying for own stay. After Chinese New Year is usually when buyers return to the market. If the market is not doing well, most developers will simply delay launches to reduce supply. The reduction in supply has been the case since Q4 2013 to-date.

Malaysia's working population is quite young and increasing, and projected 2014 GDP will be better than 2013, so it is a matter of time (I think around Q2 2014) when demand catches up again.
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post Jan 25 2014, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 25 2014, 12:47 PM)
Media, including this one, is such a powerful tool to skew people's thinking. They put in the mental multiple choices for u to choose. If enough people chose an option, it became reality.  What made u blieve that market will stabilise after one to two quaters ?

Who, investors or houseowner or agent or developer, control the market ?
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The cooling measures in Budget 2014 were not overly punishing. My gut feel after looking at similar cooling measures of several countries, and the sentiment across several forums. Many people are still looking for properties to buy for own use or long term investment, not flip.
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post Jan 25 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 25 2014, 01:46 PM)

Q3.. LAHH.. the demand.. if no demand.. u know what happen liao.. working population has always been your target.. affordability will be still intact..this arguement has greatly addressed..

if dun catch up means ... market will plunge just like genting incident.. ppl who can hold survive.. those cant die.. and many die just like dat in our case default and bancrupt
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post Jan 26 2014, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jan 26 2014, 07:35 AM)
Landed is very very safe.
For those highrise launched last year, I feel that certain project price are too aggressive, is it hard to say that price will be higher after 5/10 yrs. IMO rental market is so encouraging, largely due to oversupply
However if RM further depreciate significantly (which I am fully confident with), no way for property price to drop in long run.
My main purpose to buy property in MALAYSIA is to safeguard my buying power. Real estate is a good instrument to hedge RM depreciation
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post Jan 28 2014, 02:25 PM

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Top 8 Property Investment Markets For 2014
Jan. 27, 2014
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Dear Live and Invest Overseas Reader,

U.S. markets are heady and uncertain. The most important agenda for any U.S. investor in 2014, therefore, is diversification, and real estate overseas is the best possible diversification strategy. Foreign property diversifies not only your portfolio and your assets, but also your life, your retirement, and your legacy.

Where, specifically, should the would-be global property investor target his attention? Here are the eight most interesting property markets worldwide right now:

#8: Malaysia

A foreigner can own property outright in Malaysia. This simple but critical fact sets this country apart in this region.

Malaysia is also a regional and a global hub, for trade and for business. The country is an expat melting pot for the region, with big numbers of expats both from all over Asia and, to a lesser extent, the West. Because it is a former British colony, English is widely spoken, so you don't have to worry about trying to learn to speak Malay.

Target the Johor Bahru area, bordering Singapore. Singapore has limited space to expand so more and more people are living in Johor Bahru and commuting across the border. As a result, real estate values on the Malaysia side are appreciating quickly.

Lief Simon

P.S. These, my top eight picks for 2014, will be among the markets we'll feature during our upcoming Global Property Summit taking place in Panama April 14-16.

More information on what will be the biggest overseas property event of the year is here.

[http://eletters.liveandinvestoverseas.com/read/archive?id=3299470&mid=359646775&e=andrew%40allproperty.com.sg&x=528a9fb8
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post Jan 31 2014, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 30 2014, 01:10 PM)
I have been reading articles and always pointed out that malaysia property is still relatively cheap compared to Singapore and Hong Kong... I cant help but feel that this is not a fair comparison because I think Singapore and Hong Kong folks earning power are so much better than we in Malaysia...

Example... Singapore and Malaysia both earn sgd5k and rm5k respectively... yes... property price probably thereabout the same when it comes to dollar vs dollar...

But other items like food and consumer products are cheaper in SG... example like chicken rice or IT products... it is cheaper there in Singapore assuming you earn and spend there....

So I think they have more disposable income than in Malaysia... my friend working at Sg also told me... earn sgd5k and probably paid sgd1k for iphone but we pay rm2k plus for iphone...

So what u guys think? Is it fair to compare property price between the countries?

Any sharing in your thoughts are very much welcome !!!
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There are a lot of hidden taxes in Singapore. Once you factor things such as private transport and medical care, you will find Malaysia is much cheaper. Even things such as leisure e.g. movie and theme parks, Singapore is easily double to triple the price.

In terms of quality of food e.g. $4 MYR compare with Singapore $4 SGD, Malaysia's food is slightly cheaper and much healthier, as Singapore imports most of its food and utilities and rental are very costly.

Quality of life is slipping fast in Singapore. There is currently a middle income squeeze. However Malaysia is catching up with Singapore in terms of cost of living in 2015.
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post Jan 31 2014, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 31 2014, 08:46 AM)
U must be joking ! when was your last visit to Singapore ? or have you visited Singapore ?

I suggest you to try out SGD 4 Chicken Rice in Maxwell Market Food Court in Tanjung Pagar against RM 4 Chicken Rice in any Malaysian Food Court then come back to tell me the quality.

Do u know 1st grade Cameron vegetables in Malaysia r sold to Singapore ? while majority Malaysian eat cheap China vegetables ?
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post Jan 31 2014, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(akh731 @ Jan 31 2014, 01:31 PM)
singapore nasi lemak with one fried chicken wing and one egg is cost sgd of 2.1 to 2.3.

malaysia nasi lemak kosong  already rm 1.5 to 2. if with fried chicken wing.. cannot imaging.

singopre economy fried meehoon only 1sgd, here already rm 1.5 to 2.
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post Jan 31 2014, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(akh731 @ Jan 31 2014, 05:31 PM)
you  can get at the kopitiam or store at mrt station. even at kranji station that you can take bus to jb..
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There are indeed some places you find value for money food, but they are getting lesser and lesser now.

The kopitiam and foodcourt chains are gradually buying over the existing ones, and NEA is upgrading the hawker centers one by one. The cleaners' minimum wages and foreign workers quota have just kicked in. When these happen, prices WILL go up by 10-20%.

Just watch out after Chinese New Year. If you still don't see price increase, watch out for smaller portion or cheaper substitutes (e.g. more sugar and salt in soup to replace using real chicken or ikan bilis stock, or blackened/carcinogenic frying oil for the chicken wings). Most comparisons overlook this.
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post Jan 31 2014, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(lilzany @ Jan 31 2014, 07:01 PM)
Actually Singapore still have a lot of land to built high rise condos in but their govt is limiting it
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Not much land left. Next plan is to reclaim land. Indonesia has just restricted aggregates export to Singapore. Reclaim land is going to be very expensive on psf basis as imports of sand and aggregates become challenging. http://www.ura.gov.sg/uol/publications/res...ns-reports.aspx Many are buying into Iskandar (mostly oil palm plantation land) as this happen. That's all from me in this thread yawn.gif

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