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post Jan 10 2014, 01:13 PM

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After the new 24 CCTV system was up in 2012.With cooperation from security company.

Our condo break in case managed to archive 90% rate of catching the insider jobs.

If break in cases are done by same of group of ppl,we
can easy trace their jobs if they repeat again.

Sad to said,90% of break in cases are chinese,all tenants living in the neighborhood.They formed a criminal gangs and go to rent out several condo to do the jobs.

They are keeping the stolen things in same block of break in unit after 2~3 days they swift out to different condo where they rented.

This was all told by the police when they successful catch the suspecteds.
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post Jan 10 2014, 01:27 PM

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The break in cases suspecteds all dressed like renovation workers wearing cap.

They make cases usually in daytime 9~11am or 2~4pm in weekday.

The break in units 90% didn't lock their wooden door lockset.The owners just simply locked and chained their grille only.

All the cases owners are staying in quiet floor which mean this level floor neighbors don't get in touch with others.
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post Jan 10 2014, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 10 2014, 01:27 PM)
The break in cases suspecteds all dressed like renovation workers wearing cap.

They make cases usually in daytime 9~11am or 2~4pm in weekday.

The break in units 90% didn't lock their wooden door lockset.The owners just simply locked and chained  their grille only.

All the cases owners are staying in quiet floor which mean this level floor neighbors don't get in touch with others.
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Thanks for all the alerts!!
Curse these thiefs!! Insider job are more difficult to prevent.
Sigh.... rclxub.gif
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post Jan 11 2014, 02:40 PM

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is it better to engage management co set up by the developer especially the developer have build many phases/projects in the same area?
eg sunrise in MK
i think this type of mgt co will try best to maintain the condo since they want to build good reputation for future projects.
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post Jan 11 2014, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jan 11 2014, 02:40 PM)
is it better to engage management co set up by the developer especially the developer have build many phases/projects in the same area?
eg sunrise in MK
i think this type of mgt co will try best to maintain the condo since they want to build good reputation for future projects.
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Budget is main problems.

1.Good management agent come first because they have ample resources of back up team or sharing infos among their sites.

2.A good Building Manager, he/she has the abilities of supervising your condo.


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post Jan 11 2014, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Jan 11 2014, 02:40 PM)
is it better to engage management co set up by the developer especially the developer have build many phases/projects in the same area?
eg sunrise in MK
i think this type of mgt co will try best to maintain the condo since they want to build good reputation for future projects.
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One of problems you will be facing if selected developer management agent.

They will fully utilized your maintenance fund..

Cost saving is your problems not theirs.

Like said..monthly collection(excluded sinking fund) 100k..they will try their best to used up with many good excuse.
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post Jan 11 2014, 03:20 PM

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Do understand, your hard work won't be appreciated. Everyone is out trying to milk money from JMB funds. And some owners may accuse u of corruption. Worse case, they report u to MACC and PDRM. After that, lawsuits here and there. End of the day, u really need to sell yourself for the job. If your background is auditing and currently working in a large audit firm, u may gain some respect. If not, prepare for screaming fest.
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post Jan 11 2014, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 11 2014, 03:20 PM)
Do understand, your hard work won't be appreciated. Everyone is out trying to milk money from JMB funds. And some owners may accuse u of corruption. Worse case, they report u to MACC and PDRM. After that, lawsuits here and there. End of the day, u really need to sell yourself for the job. If your background is auditing and currently working in a large audit firm, u may gain some respect. If not, prepare for screaming fest.
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Ya..agree..

So appointed a legal advisor to sit on board monthly meetings.

All major repair jobs above certain amount must have at least 3 quotations..

If the JMC are following the SOP or guidelines ..you are protected by The COB or Strata Titles Acts.




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post Jan 11 2014, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 11 2014, 03:16 PM)
One of problems you will be facing if selected developer management agent.

They will fully utilized your maintenance fund..

Cost saving is your problems not theirs.

Like said..monthly collection(excluded sinking fund)  100k..they will try their best to used up with many good excuse.
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Make sure the SOP is ready and get management co to strictly follow. All approval for procurement and spending money must approved by JMC. Any claim/bill whithout JMC will be born by management co....
more importantly, the bank cheque signature only by JMC and at least two to three depend on amount..

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post Jan 11 2014, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 11 2014, 03:20 PM)
Do understand, your hard work won't be appreciated. Everyone is out trying to milk money from JMB funds. And some owners may accuse u of corruption. Worse case, they report u to MACC and PDRM. After that, lawsuits here and there. End of the day, u really need to sell yourself for the job. If your background is auditing and currently working in a large audit firm, u may gain some respect. If not, prepare for screaming fest.
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Talk/complaint only type of people every where also got la... living in strata ttitle property... u need to have peoples who willing to contribute... the more the marrier..
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post Jan 11 2014, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jan 11 2014, 04:09 PM)
Make sure the SOP is ready and get management co to strictly follow. All approval for procurement and spending money must approved by JMC. Any claim/bill whithout JMC will be born by management co....
more importantly, the bank cheque signature only by JMC and at least two to three depend on amount..
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What you worried was miss used of funds.

What I mean is more higher standard way..

They will given expensive quotation let you to choose...If JMC members are not aware of the comparison cost..especially those E&E and Plumbing jobs.


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post Jan 11 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 11 2014, 05:36 PM)
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What you worried was miss used of funds.

What I mean is more higher standard way..

They will given expensive quotation let you to choose...If JMC members are not aware of the comparison cost..especially those E&E and Plumbing jobs.
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That's why sometimes it is beneficiary to have experienced person or person related to various industries in the committee.
Let the meeting to be more open, invite all resident, proprietor owner to come to meeting, whom may feed back some good suggestion in between.

Engage a proper, more honest property manager/management company to run the show also can help out.
As those experienced manager already knew roughly how much a particular job should be cost.





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post Jan 11 2014, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 11 2014, 05:36 PM)
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What you worried was miss used of funds.

What I mean is more higher standard way..

They will given expensive quotation let you to choose...If JMC members are not aware of the comparison cost..especially those E&E and Plumbing jobs.
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I refer to both actually.
If the quotations price provided is not reasonable.. the JMC members will get involved to call quotation and ask the management co to execute.. 1-2 times.. they know being monitored and tracked, they will behave... if not fire them tongue.gif

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 11 2014, 03:20 PM)
Do understand, your hard work won't be appreciated. Everyone is out trying to milk money from JMB funds. And some owners may accuse u of corruption. Worse case, they report u to MACC and PDRM. After that, lawsuits here and there. End of the day, u really need to sell yourself for the job. If your background is auditing and currently working in a large audit firm, u may gain some respect. If not, prepare for screaming fest.
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People generally like to complain, but when really need to do the job time, or ask them to join into committee to contribute, all keep quiet, MIA, lot of excuse (no time etc).

Committee generally won't be appreciated by most resident, just get use to it.
But you need people to sacrifice in order for the overall benefit or for the sake on the building.

Whether the committee member trying to milk money or not, actually can be seen or spotted easily.
Just vote out the member if showing such a sign.

If all done according to SOP and strata title act available, there is nothing to fear about the screaming fest or not.
Every major decision is made through AGM/EGM, and hire management company to carry the task, whoever not satisfy, object the resolution, or vote out the current committee member, don't need to shout.
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post Jan 11 2014, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 11 2014, 05:49 PM)
That's why sometimes it is beneficiary to have experienced person or person related to various industries in the committee.
Let the meeting to be more open, invite all resident, proprietor owner to come to meeting, whom may feed back some good suggestion in between.

Engage a proper, more honest property manager/management company to run the show also can help out.
As those experienced manager already knew roughly how much a particular job should be cost.
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Due to high demand, getting honest property manager/management company is not easy.. lots of bad apples in the market... if not careful enu.. alll funds will be gone in short period..
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post Jan 11 2014, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 11 2014, 03:20 PM)
Do understand, your hard work won't be appreciated. Everyone is out trying to milk money from JMB funds. And some owners may accuse u of corruption. Worse case, they report u to MACC and PDRM. After that, lawsuits here and there. End of the day, u really need to sell yourself for the job. If your background is auditing and currently working in a large audit firm, u may gain some respect. If not, prepare for screaming fest.
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I have on board for the third year,we have been doing the jobs to let the owners more awareness on their neighborhood.

Try to fixed or set up procedures or SOP, to minimize the miss of funds..maximize value of our collection.

Ppl bought their properties 500k or even more million...if they don't bother it...I can't imaging.

I am selfish also, I want my properties value increased ,this was my first intention to get involved JMC.

Step by step..starting from a silly observer member,spend sometimes trying get infos for those quotation.

Recognized & analysis the problems and persuade helpful ppl joined,get support became one of the JMC office bearers.Kick out the selfish private agenda members.

Because I believed anythings made by JMC will eventually impact to your valuable properties.









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post Jan 11 2014, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 11 2014, 06:18 PM)
I have on board for the third year,we have been doing the jobs to let the owners more awareness on their neighborhood.

Try to fixed or set up procedures or SOP, to minimize the miss of funds..maximize value of our collection.

Ppl bought their properties 500k or even more  million...if they don't bother it...I can't imaging.

I am selfish also, I want my properties value increased ,this was my first intention to get involved JMC.

Step by step..starting from a silly observer member,spend sometimes trying get infos for those quotation.

Recognized & analysis the problems and persuade helpful ppl joined,get support became one of the JMC office bearers.Kick out the selfish private agenda members.

Because I believed anythings made by JMC will eventually impact to your valuable properties.
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Absolute agreed! and I can see u hv done a good job! notworthy.gif

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post Jan 11 2014, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jan 11 2014, 06:21 PM)
Absolute agreed! and I can see u hv done a good job!  notworthy.gif
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I am still learning..great to have this kind of topics,we can sharing and exchange views & ideas.

Any senior or experience JMC outthere welcome to share.


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post Jan 12 2014, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jan 11 2014, 06:00 PM)
Due to high demand, getting honest property manager/management company is not easy.. lots of bad apples in the market... if not careful enu.. alll funds will be gone in short period..
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That why JMB/MC must put some "control" on the hired management company.
Any spending (apart from petty cash that range few hundred buck), must get the consent from JMB/MC.

Management company run the routine daily work, ensure daily basic necessity issue is run properly, while JMB/MC is the one decide what to spend.

From experience, there are some good property manager/management company, while there might be some that not that professional.

You do not need to have those top notch one, as whether how well the management a lot of time run depended largely on the JMB/MC.

Simply throw everything to management company and let the management company to decide is a big no no.


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post Jan 13 2014, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 11 2014, 06:18 PM)
I have on board for the third year,we have been doing the jobs to let the owners more awareness on their neighborhood.

Try to fixed or set up procedures or SOP, to minimize the miss of funds..maximize value of our collection.

Ppl bought their properties 500k or even more  million...if they don't bother it...I can't imaging.

is it a good idea to set up a facebook account of JMB so all owners know all the activities, happending in condo/surrounding. quotation, tenders, costs etc

i have a a few condo which has FB account and i found it is very informative.

but some JMB refused to have FB coz it will expose their wrong doing or negative thing about the condo eg break in, poor maintenance etc and affect the value of the condo.

your comments?

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