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post Dec 19 2013, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(mingyew @ Dec 19 2013, 04:44 PM)
Anyone is committee member?

security guard is most headache problem.

How to get good guard with reasonable rates?

Anyone have tried employ guard/warden under JMB payroll?
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My POV is not good idea to hire directly under JMB payroll. Don't expect the JMC Chairman/person or members to supervise them. Not mean impossible, but very2 challenging.. they already shoulder enou responsibilities without geting pay la!

If interested, pm me ur PIC name and contact, I can introduce one security company for u. Not the best, consider good only. We have been using this company since 2009.

CK15
post Dec 28 2013, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(Gami @ Dec 28 2013, 08:59 PM)
Hi,

I am in the JMC, second term now. It is good to be involved if you can spare some time to help out in check & balance on the managing agent and to ensure procedures etc work out to the best of the interest of all residents.

It's not easy as we've had very high staff turnover of MO staff & change of security company and unreasonable owners /residents. It's an uphill task for us but nevertheless we are still trying our very best.

It would be good to share & learn from one another here, on issues we face daily in the JMC.

We do not have anyone in our payroll. I understand that i's not easy to get our own building manager or head of security  but sometimes I'm very tempted to suggest that as those under our employment, at least I think we may have a better control. I've heard of success stories of condo running on their own & not via any agent.

Our agent fees also 5k & we outsource our security too.
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Well done! Good for the community and urself.

If everyone in JMC has their day job to meet the end need, try to avoid having to put too much times to manage direct reports.
For 5k management fee, mind to dhare how many units 4 ur condo/aprt?


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post Dec 29 2013, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(Gami @ Dec 29 2013, 08:29 AM)
Condo is around 290 units, small land size with basic facilities, just pool & gym, small playground for kids.

Our problem is managing agent, for the past 3 years, I think we have had 5-6 building managers and it seems we are the training ground for them. Besides that, it's the same with the rest of the staff.  With that price, we are given 1 building manager, 1 building exec, 1 clerk, 1 technician and 1 handyman. Most of the time, we have been shortchanged as the agent moves his people around to cover other sites, we suspect.

Communication is a problem for us as residents as we hardly know what's happening & most of the time even as JMC members too.

They are not pro-active most of the time & need to be told what to do, etc.

Any of you have a blog or updates via the internet ? Effective ?
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In most pratice, not necessary apply for all, the management (agent) fee is fixed fee pay to Management Company and staffs cost is reimbursed with 5-10% markup.

Just to chk, the building mgr, buidling exe, clerk, technician, and handbyman are dedicated on-site resources, or shared resources but based at Management's (Agent's) office?
Also, interested to know how u manage the procurement and budget. Who is managing the account payable and receivable, and bank account?

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post Jan 9 2014, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 9 2014, 05:56 PM)
Although we are facing defict yearly but with give and take consideration.

We are giving out basic 1 month incentive[ purata] + 1 month performance incentive to selected staffs for their 2013 year performance.
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Deficit? Sound like paying rate is low?
How much per sqft for maint fee?

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post Jan 11 2014, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 11 2014, 03:16 PM)
One of problems you will be facing if selected developer management agent.

They will fully utilized your maintenance fund..

Cost saving is your problems not theirs.

Like said..monthly collection(excluded sinking fund)  100k..they will try their best to used up with many good excuse.
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Make sure the SOP is ready and get management co to strictly follow. All approval for procurement and spending money must approved by JMC. Any claim/bill whithout JMC will be born by management co....
more importantly, the bank cheque signature only by JMC and at least two to three depend on amount..

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post Jan 11 2014, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 11 2014, 03:20 PM)
Do understand, your hard work won't be appreciated. Everyone is out trying to milk money from JMB funds. And some owners may accuse u of corruption. Worse case, they report u to MACC and PDRM. After that, lawsuits here and there. End of the day, u really need to sell yourself for the job. If your background is auditing and currently working in a large audit firm, u may gain some respect. If not, prepare for screaming fest.
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Talk/complaint only type of people every where also got la... living in strata ttitle property... u need to have peoples who willing to contribute... the more the marrier..
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post Jan 11 2014, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 11 2014, 05:36 PM)
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What you worried was miss used of funds.

What I mean is more higher standard way..

They will given expensive quotation let you to choose...If JMC members are not aware of the comparison cost..especially those E&E and Plumbing jobs.
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I refer to both actually.
If the quotations price provided is not reasonable.. the JMC members will get involved to call quotation and ask the management co to execute.. 1-2 times.. they know being monitored and tracked, they will behave... if not fire them tongue.gif

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post Jan 11 2014, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 11 2014, 05:49 PM)
That's why sometimes it is beneficiary to have experienced person or person related to various industries in the committee.
Let the meeting to be more open, invite all resident, proprietor owner to come to meeting, whom may feed back some good suggestion in between.

Engage a proper, more honest property manager/management company to run the show also can help out.
As those experienced manager already knew roughly how much a particular job should be cost.
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Due to high demand, getting honest property manager/management company is not easy.. lots of bad apples in the market... if not careful enu.. alll funds will be gone in short period..
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post Jan 11 2014, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Jan 11 2014, 06:18 PM)
I have on board for the third year,we have been doing the jobs to let the owners more awareness on their neighborhood.

Try to fixed or set up procedures or SOP, to minimize the miss of funds..maximize value of our collection.

Ppl bought their properties 500k or even more  million...if they don't bother it...I can't imaging.

I am selfish also, I want my properties value increased ,this was my first intention to get involved JMC.

Step by step..starting from a silly observer member,spend sometimes trying get infos for those quotation.

Recognized & analysis the problems and persuade helpful ppl joined,get support became one of the JMC office bearers.Kick out the selfish private agenda members.

Because I believed anythings made by JMC will eventually impact to your valuable properties.
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Absolute agreed! and I can see u hv done a good job! notworthy.gif

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post Jan 25 2014, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jan 23 2014, 11:00 PM)
"Qualified Property Managers" are rubbish. They also in the take from the suppliers. Worst bcoz they do not own the property, any project is "good" go. And another important fact .... just bcoz they are qualified property management from Valuer Board, they price is calculated by the square feet.

They charge exorbitant fees but hired low class building managers ... so these managers cari makan on the side lor.... brows.gif
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+1.
Many cari makan management companies and managers out there... need to be careful when engaged them... also need to close monitor the managers' activities ... they know all the jalan to take adv!

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post Jan 25 2014, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jan 23 2014, 11:06 PM)
I had been in JMC for first 5 years. Retired for the last 3 years.
Experience tells me ALL management companies are the same devil.
My advise: permanently hire a GOOD Building manager & staffs to run your property.
It's cheaper and easily control.

Management Companies only hire cheapo building manager to make more profit.
And you cannot control who the Building manager is....
Bcoz most important factor of a building manager is PR and trustworthiness.
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Not easy and cumbersome to direct manage Building manager & staffs... avoid this path when possible..

As the JMC, u hv a say for the build manager to be place at ur management office la! U can ask to join interview and decide the candidate, and decide how much 4 the salary... pay peanut get monkey lor!

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post Jan 25 2014, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 23 2014, 11:14 PM)
i notice rahim and co did quite a decent job in one of the building i visited lately.
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for good manage property, the credit shld go the JMC first, then to management company. Many bad apples even with good name.


 

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