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randori
post Dec 19 2013, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Dec 18 2013, 07:32 PM)
17 new boats? good

with rumors saying that around 30 of them mundu mofos are moving from jolo to cause trouble during christmas, the news is really good to hear

hope them mundus are blasted from the sea before they have any chance to land on the shore
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Some them mundus were blasted to oblivion b4 they could enter the border in sulu sea sometime ago after the lahad datu fiasco. We said it was the work of pinoy navy while they said it was our job, thot them mundus havent got enuff lessons.
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post Dec 19 2013, 04:34 PM

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From the 17 assault n combat boats, how many are rhibs, mrtp 16 ? Only 2 26 metres patrol boat, i wonder what make that could be?
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post Dec 19 2013, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Dec 19 2013, 09:13 AM)
I like the mentality & the policy to make every man in singapore to be a soldier. Thats why bile sembang ngn diorng....everybody using military term sbb semua paham like DZ, RV etc... compare to PLKN. Till now I dont see the outcome. Even nak tembak M16 sorng 20 butir dh ramai tarik diri...parents complaint too dangerous...too violent.
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post Dec 19 2013, 08:00 PM

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Indonesia has ordered an initial 3 unit Thales Bushmaster.

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Thales Australia receives fresh orders of Victorian-manufactured vehicle

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Thales Australia’s Bushmaster has received fresh export orders from Japan and Indonesia, with strong interest expressed by Libya, making the Aussie-made Protected Mobility Vehicle (PMV) a rising star in the defence market.

According to a feature on The Telegraph, a total of 1045 units have been built at Thales’s factory at Bendigo in Victoria, which has 240 workers. Another 55 Bushmasters are set to come off the line by the end of 2015.

Sources say Japan has ordered 10 vehicles while Indonesia will take an initial order of three. Libya has expressed interest in between 100 and 400 of the 15-tonne armoured troop carrier.

Last week Thales Australia announced that it has signed a contract to supply 12 Bushmaster vehicles to the Jamaica Defence Force. A five-year support package is also included in the contract to ensure the highest levels of availability and performance.

Thales Australia CEO Chris Jenkins said the Jamaican Defence Force has been eyeing the Bushmaster for some time now and the company is now pleased to add them as an export customer.

“The Bushmasters are ideally suited for both internal security and humanitarian operations. The inclusion of the support package demonstrates the customer’s trust in us to deliver and maintain an effective capability over several years,” Mr Jenkins said in a press release.

“Once again, the confidence shown in Bushmaster’s ability to protect troops and save lives reflects very well on the skills of Australian industry, and the important role that Thales and the 120 companies in the Bushmaster supply chain play in providing a unique Australian capability in protected vehicles.”

In the span of its service in Afghanistan, no soldier has been reported killed while riding the Bushmaster. Its success can be attributed to the heavily armoured V-shaped hull that directs blast away from its occupants.

A single Bushmaster costs in excess of $500,000. According to the Telegraph report it can transport 10 troops, and can itself be transported in a C-130 Hercules aircraft. The vehicle is powered by a Caterpillar 224 kW turbo diesel engine with a range of more than 800km.


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post Dec 19 2013, 08:52 PM

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Ex Forging Sabre 2013: Delivering the Punch on the Battlefield

23rd Battalion, Singapore Artillery (23 SA) was put through the paces during the recent Exercise Forging Sabre (XFS). Equipped with the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), 23 SA is capable of delivering serious punch on the battlefield.


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ayanami_tard
post Dec 19 2013, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 19 2013, 03:06 PM)
We too suffer from 97 crisis.
if not because of that we would have 18 hornets.
then a major mismanagement in kedah class project.
Later we were struck by 2007/8 golbal crisis cancellation of lekui class bath 2, mpss and even sph. Sigh.
Currently indon on spending spree so nice.
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yes but the "hurr durr jiran beli kereta (kebal),kita pun kena beli kereta (kebal) gak"-thing is stupid. rather than going into spending spree (which we will see next year), i'd rather see we give more attention on smaller things. improving our grunts' kit, installation of radars in our frontiers, addition of new surveillence system,etcetc. everything is in place right now.

besides, we already have our own high-profile procument.don't expect we replace our aging equipments in one go. not to mention other capabilities that we are lacking right now

while waiting for another high-profile procurements, what we can do now is to improve our combat readiness and surveillence capability. since we going to get our own marine corps, expect the gomen to spend on it as well.
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post Dec 19 2013, 09:39 PM

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having said that, i think we should study the possibility of building our own SPH and MLRS that will complement our current artillery inventory.

i'm sure guys at Hicom can get the blueprint for BM-21 grad easily. it's not that hard.
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Dec 19 2013, 09:39 PM)
having said that, i think we should study the possibility of building our own SPH and MLRS that will complement our current artillery inventory.

i'm sure guys at Hicom can get the blueprint for BM-21 grad easily. it's not that hard.
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collaborate with UTM/UPNM students to build the navigation and targeting software..i'm very sure we can build our own artillery system..can use Trak Handalan for the chassis.. smile.gif
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post Dec 19 2013, 11:28 PM

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i think Sapura and CTRM can be tasked to develop the inertial guidance system. dun think it's that hard to stick a gun to a truck (the thais did it,iran did it, hell even sudan did it).

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vietnam with their sph, marrying good old M101 105mm gun with....is that kamaz 6x6 truck?

by building our own SPH, while may not as advanced as western SPH, it will be perfectly suited with our own requirement.i think the reason why none of the SPH was selected (despite being tested in malaysia) was because either it didn't fill our requirement or too expensive

the reason why i'm leaning towards truck SPH (instead of armored SPH) is that not only that it is simpler and cheaper, but also lighter and can be transported easily by C-130, as proved with the french utilizing Caesar when fighting them sand kebabs in africa
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post Dec 19 2013, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Dec 19 2013, 09:35 PM)
yes but the "hurr durr jiran beli kereta (kebal),kita pun kena beli kereta (kebal) gak"-thing is stupid. rather than going into spending spree (which we will see next year), i'd rather see we give more attention on smaller things. improving our grunts' kit, installation of radars in our frontiers, addition of new surveillence system,etcetc. everything is in place right now.

besides, we already have our own high-profile procument.don't expect we replace our aging equipments in one go. not to mention other capabilities that we are lacking right now

while waiting for another high-profile procurements, what we can do now is to improve our combat readiness and surveillence capability. since we going to get our own marine corps, expect the gomen to spend on it as well.
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yep i dont think we need to compete with our jiran, let them spending spree...we should buy thing when its necessary

we should focus on thing like;
1)sgpv weapon package
2)ngpv weapon package
3)mmrca with aew aircraft
4)esscomm radar, military base, equipment
5)forming marine brigade using same concept of 10 para by converting some ramd and ranger battalion into marine brigade
6)LPD/LHD => critical if we have a marine brigade, preferably mini dokdo laugh.gif
7)more antitank/antiair manpad, acog scope, grenade launcher and other army personnel equipment

after all of that we can start buying thing like marine brigade equipment like something transport heli, landing boat. Since we already bought av8 from what i understand it can be amphibious(correct me if im worng) hence maybe 30 out 250 av8 to be use by the marine, then buy something like this

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2s25 sprut-sd can be airdrop or amphibious hence can be use by 10 para and the marine

more, maybe next 10 years if it me the defence ministry tongue.gif we can start thinking buying 4 visby class replacing some old FAC, 4 more submarine, s300 and 5th gen aircraft pakfa
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post Dec 19 2013, 11:45 PM

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Visby is more like laksamana class.
hamina class is more suitable replacement
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post Dec 20 2013, 03:53 PM

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UAE Backs out of Typhoon Discussions

Dec. 19, 2013 - 01:59PM  | 
By ANDREW CHUTER and AWAD MUSTAFA  | 

LONDON AND DUBAI — The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has quit discussions with BAE Systems over the possible purchase of 60 Typhoon fighter jets, the company said.

BAE said in a statement Thursday that the Arabian Gulf state had informed the company it would not proceed with talks on a range of defense and security capabilities, including the Eurofighter Typhoon.

No reason for the scrapping of the talks has been given, but UAE sources said it was connected with easing of tensions in the Arabian Gulf region.

The British company has been leading talks for the Eurofighter consortium on a possible sale of the Typhoon to the UAE in competition with the Dassault Rafale and the Boeing F/A-18.

“BAE and the UK government have been in discussion with the UAE government regarding a range of defense and security capabilities including the potential supply of Typhoon aircraft. The UAE have advised that they have elected not to proceed with these proposals at this time,” the company said in a statement.

According to a UAE source close to the negotiations, the interim deal with Iran along with the direct diplomatic engagements the UAE has conducted have relaxed tensions between the gulf neighbors and contributed to the deal’s breakdown.

“At this point in time there is no need to acquire the weapons as our diplomatic efforts have succeeded,” the source said.

One industry source said the two sides had been unable to agree on price or close the gap on other aspects of the negotiations, including the industrial collaboration package.

“If they can find a solution to the problems, the door could still be open to Typhoon, but in the meantime I would expect France to re-energize its effort with the Rafale in the wake of losing in Brazil to the Gripen. It could also bring closer the day the UAE seeks to open a dialogue on the purchase of the F-35,” the source said.

In addition to the fighter talks, a defense agreement expected to be penned between the UK and the UAE has been put on hold regarding the UK assisting the UAE in marketing defense equipment to Europe, the source added.

The potential sale to UAE was a key export campaign in the Eurofighter consortium effort in the Middle East and elsewhere in an effort to keep production lines open beyond 2018.

Eurofighter partners include BAE, EADS and Finmeccanica.

The UAE originally preferred the Rafale but opened up the bidding to Typhoon and the F/A-18 after the two sides fell out over a range of issues.

In recent months, the Typhoon was reckoned to be ahead of its rivals in the bidding.

The Typhoon sales effort was part of a wider push by the British to boost defense relations with the UAE. The two sides have been negotiating a defense treaty, industrial collaboration and other investment opportunities.

The British Ministry of Defence declined to comment.


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QUOTE(azriel @ Dec 20 2013, 03:53 PM)
looks like F-18, EF and rafale ran out of potential customers to continue their production line..pretty sure they will go all out for our MRCA programme next year as they're in desperate condition..in the other hand, SAAB seems pretty comfy with Brazil already choose the Gripen NG.. smile.gif
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heard the kidnapped Taiwan citizen has been rescued? did we send our own spec ops to join forces with Pinoy's spec ops? or did the family paid the ransom?

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post Dec 20 2013, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Dec 20 2013, 08:19 PM)
heard the kidnapped Taiwan citizen has been rescued? did we send our own spec ops to join forces with Pinoy's spec ops? or did the family paid the ransom?
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Atrey says our vat69 is also involved, but I dunno they can go that far

But the news is actually first said by our IGP, which is strange
I tried to scan the usual pinoy news outlet they seem to not yet pick up the story
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post Dec 20 2013, 08:35 PM

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considering that the pinoys dun have a dedicated counter-terror unit (no those marine recon is not a counter terror unit), and how "cemerlang" they are in dealing them bus-hijacker incidents couple of years ago, i'd wager they'd ask for "foreign consultancy" first

as for the vat 69, we dun say we send, we dun say we dun send, so nobody actually know
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Dec 20 2013, 08:24 PM)
Atrey says our vat69 is also involved, but I dunno they can go that far

But the news is actually first said by our IGP, which is strange
I tried to scan the usual pinoy news outlet they seem to not yet pick up the story
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they are with the Special Task Force, but how is their involvement is unknown!
still waiting for news update!

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@KBAB51: Syabas Special Task Force @PDRMsia for your tireless effort in securing the safety of kidnapped Taiwanese victim. Allah jua yg membalas jasa

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post Dec 20 2013, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 20 2013, 08:39 PM)
they are with the Special Task Force, but how is their involvement is unknown!
still waiting for news update!

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@KBAB51: Syabas Special Task Force @PDRMsia for your tireless effort in securing the safety of kidnapped Taiwanese victim. Allah jua yg membalas jasa
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probably classified..great job PDRM~ never doubt their skills~ thumbup.gif
still, why VAT69 involve in the issue?
i thought VAT69 is commonly for handling internal affairs while GGK, PASKAL, PASKAU usually handle foreign threat.. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Dec 20 2013, 09:55 PM)
probably classified..great job PDRM~ never doubt their skills~  thumbup.gif
still, why VAT69 involve in the issue?
i thought VAT69 is commonly for handling internal affairs while GGK, PASKAL, PASKAU usually handle foreign threat..  hmm.gif
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Maybe because the abduction cases were fall under the PDRM first
but I was later told that the Special Task Force include the MKN, Wisma Putra and even ATM
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Dec 20 2013, 08:35 PM)
considering that the pinoys dun have a dedicated counter-terror unit (no those marine recon is not a counter terror unit), and how "cemerlang" they are in dealing them bus-hijacker incidents couple of years ago, i'd wager they'd ask for "foreign consultancy" first
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they do have dedicated CT units but manila police refused to let them participate.
besides, i'm pretty sure the foreign consultants would have been americans


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