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 NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE (NAS) V2

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post Jan 9 2021, 07:02 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 8 2021, 09:57 PM)
Hey, thanks for the white paper. Now I understand more how QuickConnect works.
If there's DDNS and DSM port is open, QuickConnect will redirect to DDNS domain.
If there's no DDNS but DSM port is open, QuickConnect will redirect to my public ip.
The problem is even when there's no DDNS, my public ip is still exposed due to QuickConnect will redirect to it.
1 solution I found is port forward unused port such as 5003. When I need direct connection I change DSM port to 5003 and change back to default port when finish use.

If use QuickConnect relay server max speed about 15 Mb/s, good enough for tens of MB files transfer.
That's why is worthwhile to get a domain. set up your cname to point to your ddns. setup reverse proxy with the certificates. you are golden. quickconnect can't allow you to access your docker apps only synology ones which is a major downside. quickconnect file transfers are way too slow, another downside.

This post has been edited by mintgadget: Jan 9 2021, 07:05 AM
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post Jan 9 2021, 12:44 PM

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hi guys.

i want to buy a NAS to store my movies, photos and backup.

what model should i looking to?

should i state my budget and estimated storage i want?

below 2k, around 2tb.
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post Jan 9 2021, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 9 2021, 01:56 AM)
If for files that you will always edit and changes on computer, better to use Synology's Drive. You don't need to do manual download and upload. On the DSM side you can set to do backup on Drive folder.
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Unfortunately cannot install Synology Drive in my office desktop sweat.gif... even cannot open Drive via browser shakehead.gif and just confuse on below conditions;

A. Desktop in office : Can't map the drive, only via browser

B. Office desktop at home (using VPN to access work office server) and connected to my same home LAN network, cannot map drive if not login vpn but if login can map drive hmm.gif



QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Jan 9 2021, 12:44 PM)
hi guys.

i want to buy a NAS to store my movies, photos and backup.

what model should i looking to?

should i state my budget and estimated storage i want?

below 2k, around 2tb.
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Maybe this looks like a start WTS Synology DS218j + WD RED 4TB (CMR unit) or can look into DS220+ (2GB RAM) x2 2TB IronWolf? icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 9 2021, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Jan 9 2021, 12:44 PM)
hi guys.

i want to buy a NAS to store my movies, photos and backup.

what model should i looking to?

should i state my budget and estimated storage i want?

below 2k, around 2tb.
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That is too small budget and size. Save more.

Just movie alone is killing your storage size. You not keeping 480p movie right.
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post Jan 9 2021, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Jan 9 2021, 12:44 PM)
hi guys.

i want to buy a NAS to store my movies, photos and backup.

what model should i looking to?

should i state my budget and estimated storage i want?

below 2k, around 2tb.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 9 2021, 02:47 PM)
That is too small budget and size. Save more.

Just movie alone is killing your storage size. You not keeping 480p movie right.
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Can. Custom build NAS. Use FreeNAS or other OS.

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QUOTE(WaNaWe900 @ Jan 9 2021, 01:36 PM)

Maybe this looks like a start WTS Synology DS218j + WD RED 4TB (CMR unit) or can look into DS220+ (2GB RAM) x2 2TB IronWolficon_rolleyes.gif
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thanks. the ds220+ seems promising.

QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 9 2021, 02:47 PM)
That is too small budget and size. Save more.

Just movie alone is killing your storage size. You not keeping 480p movie right.
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ohh, i tot 2k is sufficient .
actually i more focus on the photos, movies wise just extra if storage is limited.

QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 9 2021, 02:52 PM)
Can. Custom build NAS. Use FreeNAS or other OS.

Pentium G6400 - 239
Gigabyte H470 HD3 - 599
8GB DDR4-3200 - 159
Cooler Master MWE Bronze V2 550W - 239
Fractal Design Define 7 (up to 14 HDD) case - 699
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do you know any seller doing this kind of customized build NAS?
im very lazy to set up and learn from zero hahaha.
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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Jan 9 2021, 02:56 PM)
thanks. the ds220+ seems promising.
ohh, i tot 2k is sufficient .
actually i more focus on the photos, movies wise just extra if storage is limited.
do you know any seller doing this kind of customized build NAS?
im very lazy to set up and learn from zero hahaha.
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Nope. Its not hard to assemble PC anyway. Got plenty of videos for it.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 9 2021, 02:59 PM)
Nope. Its not hard to assemble PC anyway. Got plenty of videos for it.
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may i know what's the advantage to have freenas vs inbuilt OS like synology? confused.gif
sorry ya if i asked too stupid question. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Jan 9 2021, 03:11 PM)
may i know what's the advantage to have freenas vs inbuilt OS like synology? confused.gif
sorry ya if i asked too stupid question. tongue.gif
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Pros:
A lot cheaper.
You can do whatever you want. Like hosting the website yourself, or setup game server.
CPU and RAM upgradeability
M.2 PCIE or SATA support
Amount of HDD you can install.
Can transform it into regular PC.
Expansion like SATA cards, Thunderbolt, Video capture cards.

Cons:
Hardware assembly required
Setting up OS takes time. Usually only one time setup.
Consumes a bit more power. (if you think 20ish watts idle from the wall on Pentium 6400 is too much)
Casing can get very big

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 9 2021, 03:17 PM)
Pros:
A lot cheaper.
You can do whatever you want. Like hosting the website yourself, or setup game server.
CPU and RAM upgradeability
M.2 PCIE or SATA support
Amount of HDD you can install.
Can transform it into regular PC.
Expansion like SATA cards, Thunderbolt, Video capture cards.

Cons:
Hardware assembly required
Setting up OS takes time. Usually only one time setup.
Consumes a bit more power. (if you think 20ish watts idle from the wall on Pentium 6400 is too much)
Casing can get very big
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thanks a lot bro.

decided to go for custom build way because it sounds like only pain one time and i can slowly upgrade throughout the years.

and can make it as my new year resolution to learn about building NAS. laugh.gif wont be too hard i guess, hopefully. sweat.gif
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post Jan 9 2021, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(WaNaWe900 @ Jan 9 2021, 01:36 PM)
Unfortunately cannot install Synology Drive in my office desktop  sweat.gif... even cannot open Drive via browser  shakehead.gif  and just confuse on below conditions;

A. Desktop in office : Can't map the drive, only via browser

B. Office desktop at home (using VPN to access work office server) and connected to my same home LAN network, cannot map drive if not login vpn but if login can map drive  hmm.gif
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If Google Drive can install on your office desktop?

What do you mean map the drive? Using VPN to make the computer as if in your house local network?

QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Jan 9 2021, 03:11 PM)
may i know what's the advantage to have freenas vs inbuilt OS like synology? :confused:
sorry ya if i asked too stupid question. tongue.gif
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Freenas/Truenas advantage is more customizable in hardware and the OS, but everything is do-it-yourself. I'm not using it but would imagine since it's more technical community, most of the guide will be by typing lines on command prompt. Additional features is by third party apps/docker

NAS such as Synology have more features baked in to the OS. Everything already integrated, only need to configure it. Everything is by GUI. But third party apps are lesser. Main drawback is almost non customization for hardware and limited bays.

Hardware price not so much difference for medium build, 4 bays NAS is about 2k while build your own will still need 1k plus, unless you got spare components or get second hand components which will help to reduce the price.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 9 2021, 05:25 PM)
If Google Drive can install on your office desktop?

What do you mean map the drive? Using VPN to make the computer as if in your house local network?

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Google Drive software cannot install in Office Desktop too.. usually access via browser and rarely use.

I had another Office Desktop at home for WFH and it has VPN login so that I can access Office Server for folders & email.

At home using the Office Desktop and login VPN Office, I can map my Synology drive in Windows Explorer 😅

But when I tried map in office it's not possible... read about the WebDAV/NetDrive setup but I think not possible because cannot install both...😪

Accessing my Synology drive via browser does have speed limitations and slower than my current practise now which is copy the files to my handphone and transfer it manually (mainly *.pst files around 8GB and on-going offline files) ✌
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QUOTE(WaNaWe900 @ Jan 9 2021, 06:07 PM)
Google Drive software cannot install in Office Desktop too.. usually access via browser and rarely use.

I had another Office Desktop at home for WFH and it has VPN login so that I can access Office Server for folders & email.

At home using the Office Desktop and login VPN Office, I can map my Synology drive in Windows Explorer 😅

But when I tried map in office it's not possible... read about the WebDAV/NetDrive setup but I think not possible because cannot install both...😪

Accessing my Synology drive via browser does have speed limitations and slower than my current practise now which is copy the files to my handphone and transfer it manually (mainly *.pst files around 8GB and on-going offline files) ✌
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Why not enable local lan and map the Synology drive in windows Explorer?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 9 2021, 08:10 PM)
Why not enable local lan and map the Synology drive in windows Explorer?
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Yes while WFH I'm mapping the drive using local lan in Windows Explorer... now figuring how to do the same while Work from Office without WebDAV sweat.gif
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QUOTE(WaNaWe900 @ Jan 9 2021, 08:23 PM)
Yes while WFH I'm mapping the drive using local lan in Windows Explorer... now figuring how to do the same while Work from Office without WebDAV  sweat.gif
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For office, I don’t use my NAS.

Just use quickconnect for everything outside the home.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 9 2021, 08:37 PM)
For office, I don’t use my NAS.

Just use quickconnect for everything outside the home.
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Owh.. yes QuickConnect can access but I feels the speed just so-so doh.gif

btw do we need to set the Scrubbing frequency to example every 3 months or not necessary...
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QUOTE(WaNaWe900 @ Jan 9 2021, 08:47 PM)
Owh.. yes QuickConnect can access but I feels the speed just so-so  doh.gif

btw do we need to set the Scrubbing frequency to example every 3 months or not necessary...
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I always thought is the network bottomneck. As long as the video streaming is fine, I m ok.

Ya, i think got setup schedule run Scrubbing.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 9 2021, 08:57 PM)
I always thought is the network bottomneck. As long as the video streaming is fine, I m ok.

Ya, i think got setup schedule run Scrubbing.
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playing video at home no issues rclxm9.gif guess I'll make use 30GB of GDrive for the purpose icon_rolleyes.gif the NAS will sync it to local home thumbsup.gif

I set for every 3 months to perform scrubbing.. is it too short sweat.gif
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QUOTE(WaNaWe900 @ Jan 9 2021, 11:37 PM)
playing video at home no issues  rclxm9.gif  guess I'll make use 30GB of GDrive for the purpose  icon_rolleyes.gif  the NAS will sync it to local home  thumbsup.gif

I set for every 3 months to perform scrubbing.. is it too short  sweat.gif
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Not playing video at home. Home is using lan and streaming pretty fast. No lagging even high bitrate for my 3D movie.

But streaming on my hp or laptop in another country. As long as no lag, it is fine to me.

I not sure what the hell is this scrubbing. Just enable it. As long as is doesn’t run the HDD frequent, I m fine. Frequent running HDD will reduce the lifespan.
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Data scrubbing is it read and do checksum on all data on HDD to make sure no error or bitrot. Though if use BTRFS it will do checking everytime whenever it access the data to read/write, and self heal if there's error. So it doesn't need to wait until do data scrubbing then only checks it. I set mine to do every 6 months.

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