You can't take HDD from one NAS brand to another.

I have not use Asustor before hence I can't comment. Between QNAP & Synology, I prefer Synology for their UI.

Synology is not a reliable too. I already experience 2 unit spoiled.

But because of easy to use and get use to it the UI, I choose back Synology. Beside that, it easy for me to transfer the HDD from the dead unit.

You already have experience. Look for specialist brand that already stay long in NAS industry.

What you do with the NAS ?

Why you need that high spec ?

6tb so expensive now ?

Remember brought that time with NAS about RM560/pcs.

Damn, like that more difficult to upgrade the HDD size. The cost is killing. 

Will check the HDD 12tb cost with my supplier.

I m using WD red. So far so good. Don't no how reliable the SG ironwolf.

Been RMA for my portable WD HDD which brought in US. I email to them. Trough email responds I send it back to WD in Vietnam. Have to bear the shipping cost. In 2week time, they send a new 1 to me.

in regards to synology lower spec, they talked about it here
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13104/synolo...ynology-america
using a less power hungry cpu tends to save on operating cost especially if you have an uptime of 24/7

only if you require high cpu passmark performance do QNAP offer more models geared toward that end. I myself have a TS-877 

Asus (Asustor) NAS new line up seems to be catching up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttaTZEjq3RY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-Aka6XktQ
both asus and syn added btrfs support. that said, raid5/6 btrfs isn't really a thing since it's not stable, so they are effectively layered the regular raid 5/6 ontop of btrfs.

QNAP is still sticking to tried and tested ext4. but based on a recent interview by QNAP, they seem to plan adding ZFS to their desktop line up. They already have ZFS (QES) for their enterprise models, but it seems this will trickle down to the more mainstream desktop models.

Brought 4yrs ago.

HDD should be getting cheaper per byte. No? 

I don't have good experience with seagate HDD previously. I hope it improve now and would like to change to ironwolf. Cause it's cheaper.

For server, my experience so far is Samsung and WD. Mostly now all WD red.

So far the temperature is



In the store room.

Will wait till end of this yrs see Amazon sale got cheaper iromwolf or not. Would like to get 4pcs 12TB or higher.

Local damn expensive for NAS HDD. 

It might be due to the shrinking of the HDD market, the price can't be cheaper anymore? SSD is getting cheaper.

But I read all said the same. Better to be have a same brand and type of HDD for NAS. If mix, will effect the speed. Not sure what else.

1600 unfortunately    i installed a nvidia 1050 gtx in it. i'm using it for plex transcoding, and win10 vm (and storage obviously). just upgraded to 16gb dd4 crucial ram. 4x4tb raid5 + 2x 250gb samsung 850 m.2 sata ssd raid1. also have a wireles QWA-AC2600 addon installed.

yes i too am concerned about bit rot and silent corruption also. for now i got raid scrub for ext4.....
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/commen...enting_bit_rot/
i'm waiting for the zfs to come out for qts....  nothing beats end to end checksum. zfs is superior than btrfs in that sense.
https://linuxhint.com/btrfs_vs_openzfs/
but does zfs require ecc ram to be viable? 

i know zfs is not perfect
https://louwrentius.com/the-hidden-cost-of-...r-home-nas.html

but it's got a lot going for it, especially keeping data integrity (end to end checksum) and also alerting the user for files that become corrupted. i'm uncertain that ext4 is up to the task for that
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/11...sts-of-any-kind
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3134509...d-file-contents
i also got other models over the years
ts-509 pro (i started out with this, a 5bay. which is good because i needed 5 bays ish)

ts-659 pro II

ts-653a

ts-877

ts-128/ts-228
my latest is a tbs-453dx (i use this for portable    )
the N300 price at first look, may seem attractive, but it's hot and also compared to seagate and wd, it uses more power which means a bigger electricity bill yearly operating cost. in long run that adds to the total cost....

seagate has supposedly better smart test with the ironwolf health management they made. but i heard the hdd is louder than the wd red for noise.

i opted for wd reds, although i started out with hgst deskstar nas 4tbs (hgst got bought out by wd)
for the syn vs qnap native apps, there are pros and cons for each. but regardless which, i don't trust simply port forwarding the services for remote access. i would only consider using VPN (ideally on router) to safely access the NAS.

i'm not too familiar with syn, but with the qnap they added their own vpn integration so that you can connect a windows/mac pc to your QNAP through VPN client and vpn server (they made Qbelt for their native vpn client, although they do support openvpn for vpn server). so at least they did that.

neither of these brands bothered with the codec licensing, so i don't take their video native apps seriously. instead i recommend plex and kodi. Or you can use smb to your pc and use mpc-hc for your video playback.

yeah i don't know why people think port forwarding nas is a good idea.

if they really MUST have remote access, then a properly configured vpn is the way to go.

myqnapcloud i disable.

kena before my NAS bruteforce. Slow down the network like crazy.

Last last check, hack from China from the log list.

Guys, what's the best price per GB NAS drive currently?

need to replace 1x3TB WD RED and 1x6TB WD RED

*pokkai*

As per WD website on IronWolf Pro specs:

https://www.seagate.com/as/en/internal-hard...wolf/#pro-specs

EG for 4TB drive, what differentiate:

Ironwolf Pro 4 TB (ST4000NE0025)

VS

Ironwolf Pro 4 TB (ST4000NE001)
Thank you 

cheaper yes but doesn't always mean better.

it runs noisier, hotter and uses more electricity annual operating cost. and ontop of that is ? how reliable are toshiba hdds? i don't know.

these days i get wd red 4tbs. seagate ironwolf has their IHM supposedly a more reliable smart test mechanism to identify when a hdd is going to die.

wd bought out hgst so perhaps there is some technology transfer there. but with seagate? maybe they have improved since last time, shouldn't be an issue. but i think the wd reds came out cheaper?

also technically i heard people say the seagate is noisier than the wd red? supposedly.

is it?    i'll check that out.
yeah but what toshiba hdd specifically?

i look at the mentioned 4tb (MD04ABA400V which by the way is a SATA 2, not SATA 3 https://iprice.sg/compare/toshiba-md04aba400v/ ) and thats not the same as the mainstream N300 NAS hdd.

If the positive reviews were specifically for the N300 model hdds, then that would be impressive and relevant to most of us wanting to buy a new hdd for NAS. but i did not see this model mentioned in back blaze 
are any of the data pertaining to the Seagate Ironwolf NAS hdd series? 
The cheapest and most relevant hdds to know about AFR is the

- Toshiba N300
- Western Digital Red
- Seagate Ironwolf

we need the AFR (annual failure rate) info for these hdds specifically.

Only options outside the drives are the much much more expensive, wd red PRO, and etc. Sure if you want highest available capacities and top grade enterprise level specs, then there is a big premium for that.
This year i bought at least 2 x wd red (non pro) 4tbs. I saw that the toshiba N300 was cheaper but i opted not to get it due to the reasons i mentioned earlier.

any sifu can teach me strategy of using Nas to cover a shop of 27 staffs for regular file sharing & backup copy.

they bought a synology 4 bay but messed up config. i plan to copy out full data then setup everything as new

hello does anyone use before Asustor AS1002T v2 NAS?? planning to buy my first NAS but not sure which brand is good and cheap

i own qnaps, but i don't seem to be infected.

a few tips i can share to MINIMIZE chances of you getting hacked/infected malware etc

1. upgrade frequently. From your qnap QTS, to your router firmware, to your desktop pc windows OS etc.... everything on your network ought to be regularly updated. Although it probably pays to be cautious by deferring perhaps by a week or 2 if there are no security related patches.

For serious issues, update sooner perhaps. look here to find out. better yet subscribe to the security advisory newsletter, they will inform you by email when something serious occurs
https://www.qnap.com/en/security-advisory
2. do not port forward on your router and qnap. DO NOT use UPNP. If you insist on remote access to your QNAP, at the very least use a vpn

https://www.reddit.com/r/qnap/comments/dgmo...afely_from_the/
3. disable myqnapcloud, don't use it. If you need remote access, just use VPN e.g. QVPN on the NAS, or better yet openvpn running on your router is probably more ideal. even better if you use a pfsense router loaded up with snort, suricata etc. If your reason for using the QNAP NAS is as a webhost, i would strongly suggest you opt instead for using a proper subscription based web hosting service. Bluehost looks ok 
4. Use a strong password. Not 123.... or password.... or these kinds of silly short passwords. Hackers can use brute force scripts that can crack these quite easily..... Also good idea to set a limit login attempts so they can't just brute force without limit without you noticing. Make sure you have notifications setup or at the very least check your QTS logs every now and then to see if there is any weird login attempts or ips you don't recognize, accessing your NAS.
5. BACKUP! If you get hit by malware, you most of the time should just de-sanitize by formating your hdds, reinitializing, and reflash the DOM. After that is all done, you would recover your data from your backup.
https://www.reddit.com/r/qnap/comments/dehn...s_not_a_backup/
6. keep up to date on the qsnach malware here on reddit, or at the official qnap forum
https://www.reddit.com/r/qnap/comments/dvh7...nformation_and/
Anyway i follow these tips and i don't have any malware infection since i got a qnap 
i do think qsnatch is serious, but most of the time, users get infected because their NAS is exposed to the internet because of riskier and perhaps improper settings. Hackers can then probe your NAS using exploits to get around your strong passwords, to then access your NAS to infect it. I suspect this is the main reason for how people are getting infected 
also to reiterate what xxboxx said, qsnatch malware PERSISTS after reinitializing. So if you are thinking, you reinitialized so the malware should be gone, think again. You have to

1. FORMAT your HDDS to wipe it clean.
2. REINITIALIZE
3. Flash DOM (google qnap flash dom and follow the instructions carefully)
4. I also highly recommend check all devices on your network to ensure they are all secure. Starting with your router.... and your client devicies PC etc... make sure they are all updated with the latest security patches, and using PROPER settings to avoid exposing yourself to the internet unecessarily. Doesn't hurt to also run some anti virus/anti malware scans eithers, cause those things can spread over your network and attack your NAS.... lots of people forget this..... 

when is it recommended to setup a NAS for home use?

Thanks for the great explanation sir. I was considering NAS to download and store movies and we don't have much time to watch tv during weekdays, seems like better to just spend a little bit extra time to clear off the tvbox storage after watching. 

When you write to a CMR disk, it just writes to sectors. Some drives will try to optimise the order the sectors are written in, but they all write data to the exact sector you tell them to write it to.

When you write to a SMR disk it’s a bit like writing to SSD – no matter what sector you might THINK you’re writing to, the drive writes the data where it wants to, then makes an index pointing to it (indirect tables).

Essentially, unlike conventional drives, a SMR drive puts a lot of logic and distance between the interface and the actual platter. It’s far more like a SSD in many ways (only much much slower).

SMR disks have multiple levels of caching – DRAM, then some CMR zones and finally shingled zones

In general, writes are to the CMR space and when the disk is idle the drive will rearrange itself in the background – tossing the CMR data onto shingled areas – there might be 10-200 shingled “zones”. They’re all “open”(appendable) like SSD blocks are. If a sector within a zone needs changing, the entire zone must be rewritten (in the same way as SSD blocks) and zones can be marked discarded (trimmed) in the same way SSD blocks are.

When the CMR zone fills the drive may (or may not) start appending to a SMR zone – and in doing so it slows down dramatically.

If the drive stops to flush out the CMR zone, then the OS is going to see an almighty pause (ZFS reports dozens of delays exceeding 60 seconds – the limit it measures for – and I measured one pause at 3 minutes). This alone is going to upset a lot of RAID controllers/software. [A] WD40EFAX drive which I zero-filled averaged 40MB/sec end to end but started at 120MB/sec. (I didn’t watch the entire fill so I don’t know if it slowed down or paused).

question

can DS218+ handle 800mbps download

afaik 2 cores will struggle up to 400-500mbps on laptops

Got some toshi n300 6tb’s
What a diff vs wd red 4tb’s

Temps after a copy that lasted 8 hours
The n300 temps was just 4c more. 41 vs 45c

The big difference was plex. The issue wasnt on my comp or laptop. It was on my iphone. Scrapping, and sometimes buffering issue on wifi 5ghz. I always thought issue on phone low power mode or wifi having interference or cell tower issue

With the N300 zero issue even on 4k. Guessing the 7200rpm 256mb cache.

Phone was iphone 7plus and 11pro.

The DS218+ supports on-the-fly hardware transcoding, supposedly all the way to 4K video. It does this using its own Video Station and DS File apps. If you prefer to use Plex, you will not have access to the hardware transcoding features, since Plex’s transcoding is CPU-bound and NAS devices in this price range just don’t have the horsepower to do that. With Synology’s apps, we were able to play several 1080p MKV files on various devices over 802.11ac Wi-Fi without issue, but when we tried the same with three different 4K movie trailers, they were all unwatchable due to stuttering. We also had issues with any 4K video using the DTS audio codec, in which no sound would play. Some formats, such as M4V, wouldn’t play at all. Files that didn’t require any transcoding, like MP4 files, played flawlessly on all devices. On-the-fly transcoding is dependent on the file format, the various codecs, and the device you’re watching the transcoding file on, so your mileage will vary here.

Still, even though Synology advertises the DS218+ as being capable of all kinds of transcoding, you’ll want to use a more powerful computer than the DS218+ (or any other NAS in this price range) if you’re serious about on-the-fly media transcoding. We recommend transcoding your video files ahead of time if you plan on using your NAS as a media server. You can do this with the Offline Transcoding feature in Video Station, though unfortunately you need to manually choose individual videos to convert.