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> genting bus just drop of the cliff, happened 20mins ago

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RattleSnaKe
post Aug 21 2013, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(((Xa))0102 @ Aug 21 2013, 09:26 PM)
Neutral = Neither brake, neither accelerate.

In a FWD car, do not accelerate, especially while cornering as it will shift the weight to the rear, reducing front grip therefore understeer.

In a RWD car, feather the throttle to reduce engine braking, due to the driver being in low gear the RPM would be high, or else the rear will lose traction.
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If you neutral on downhill road your car just keep accelerate because the transmission not connect to wheel so the wheel no resistance.
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(darosha @ Aug 21 2013, 09:27 PM)
cant compare
sabahan people all drive slow slow one
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yup IMHO.. safety first...

haha.. not sure with wearing seatbelt, coz im totally confused about that early arguments about seatbelt / safetybelt.. (unsure if it is really safety) after hearing the deaths, maybe all of them did wear seatbelt, maybe not.. but is it still consider safe if vehicles rolled over..

those not wearing, sorry to say lah.
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Aug 21 2013, 09:29 PM)
driving downhill or even uphill to genting during a foggy day at night is the scariest thing ever
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Yes, it can suddenly turns foggy, and nothing else you can do. Cannot stop, drive also cannot see, that's the worst part.
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Aug 21 2013, 09:29 PM)
driving downhill or even uphill to genting during a foggy day at night is the scariest thing ever
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like silent hill!
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:31 PM

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This bus needs to run on highways, so i don't think passengers are allowed to stand for obvious safety reasons (traveling over 90km/h). Not sure if such city buses are allowed to travel on highways also.

You see KL-Klang buses, got use these City Buses?



QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Aug 21 2013, 09:07 PM)
As far as I know, this thing is not illegal as there is no legal requirement on this matter. Plus the bus actually has hand grabs for standing passengers too.

That said, time to look at such aspects such as bus, driver or even having taller wall on the edges of the road.
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Aug 21 2013, 09:24 PM)
to control a long and heavy bus is far different than a car, when the heavy and long body skid it was a fatal and can't be correct back at down hill slope what ever method u use gear or break is useless, if that bus are realy a normal bus like rapid kl then i bet it was auto tranny and auto bus down hill driver has less gear to down shift.
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exactly, it is even worst if the brakes are losing its braking performance = good luck stopping a bus that is over capacity.
QUOTE(msa9696 @ Aug 21 2013, 09:26 PM)
If any of you ever drove during foggy days, you should know. Even going extremely slow, when you can't see anything, you also worried where you are heading.
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put up some high walls with some recycle tyre to cushion it. Anything to prevent the vehicle falling off the cliff is already a huge boost on survival chances.

Besides it is also easier/faster for fireman and ambulance personal to rescue people on the road than the ones falling off the 200m cliff. Faster rescue = more survival chances.
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:32 PM

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the freaking road design was flawed.
who will design a 90° sharp turn with on the edge of 200ft slope ?

these kind of road can only get approval in Malaysia
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:32 PM

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KL klang buses got alot people standing.
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(terry98000 @ Aug 21 2013, 09:30 PM)
yup IMHO.. safety first...

haha.. not sure with wearing seatbelt, coz im totally confused about that early arguments about seatbelt / safetybelt.. (unsure if it is really safety) after hearing the deaths, maybe all of them did wear seatbelt, maybe not.. but is it still consider safe if vehicles rolled over..

those not wearing, sorry to say lah.
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don't think wearing seatbelts would help in this case.... the bus roll down the ravine. u are strapped to your seat waiting for all kinds of debris to hit you


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Need to build more bumps... force them slowing down.
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Aug 21 2013, 09:32 PM)
the freaking road design was flawed.
who will design a 90° sharp turn with on the edge of 200ft slope ?

these kind of road can only get approval in Malaysia
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50-60yrs ago uncle lim have only so much technology to cut trough mountains. ever since that we have been using the same road, cant blame them lol

compared to last time, it is consider much better now, road have been widen by a lot, but still with retard driver, u can only do so much.
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QUOTE(ctrl_alt_del @ Aug 21 2013, 09:34 PM)
Need to build more bumps... force them slowing down.
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Build more speed bumps, and a bunch of people who like to speed complained Genting build even more speed bumps causing brake fade and loses it's efficiency.
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Aug 21 2013, 09:32 PM)
the freaking road design was flawed.
who will design a 90° sharp turn with on the edge of 200ft slope ?

these kind of road can only get approval in Malaysia
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i don't think the road itself is dangerous in nature, with careful driving and a good vehicle condition, you can make it through

there's more dangerous roads out there
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Aug 21 2013, 09:35 PM)
50-60yrs ago uncle lim have only so much technology to cut trough mountains. ever since that we have been using the same road, cant blame them lol

compared to last time, it is consider much better now, road have been widen by a lot, but still with retard driver, u can only do so much.
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it's not the first time buses jump off Genting cliff, after they add the extra lane in case of brakes failure still havent solve the problem.

what to do, this is malaysia

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post Aug 21 2013, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(Emanyshie @ Aug 21 2013, 09:12 PM)
mohon Tan Sri Dato Seri Lim Goh Tong & Tan Sri Dato' Lim Kok Thay untuk melakukan upacara yang sepatutnya untuk 'hantu-hantu yang lapar' agar kejadian tersebut tidak berulang lagi...
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haih. kan he passed away edy.
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Aug 21 2013, 09:35 PM)
50-60yrs ago uncle lim have only so much technology to cut trough mountains. ever since that we have been using the same road, cant blame them lol

compared to last time, it is consider much better now, road have been widen by a lot, but still with retard driver, u can only do so much.
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Agreed with this. At least Genting roads are so much wider now and you have more safety buffer should anything goes wrong.

I think not just downhill that crashes, sometimes uphill also can crash.

If you follow the advisory speed limit, practice proper downhill techniques, have your car checked and ensure it is in tip-top condition, there shouldn't be any issue. I believe those trunk roads with single lanes are worse.

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post Aug 21 2013, 09:39 PM

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latest news frm mkini 53 passengers onboard, another overload just-for-profit only bus company
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(xcess @ Aug 21 2013, 09:22 PM)
the genting transport bus sticker shows 43 penumpang, 18 berdiri.

43 in term of sitting passengers or total passengers? (25 sit + 18 stand = 43)

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43 seating. Normally ''penumpang" refers to seating smile.gif
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post Aug 21 2013, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Aug 21 2013, 09:39 PM)
43 seating. Normally ''penumpang" refers to seating smile.gif
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but kampung impossible for that bus to sit 43 ppl la

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