yeah, as i know they are only in the premium variant?

DRL is front only. The rear lights you still need to turn on (or use Auto mode). Position lights is very important. Dusk & Dawn are the most problematic situation, visibility wise. You have bright sky with darker ground view. The rear position lights would make sure you are visible to others and reduce risk of being read ended.

On the Accord 8th gen 2.0, there are no DRL. It only has auto headlamps

I don't use it because the system is dumb for dusk/dawn time. I tried it few times. I want the position lights, but in the accord the auto lamps only knows two settings. Full ON/OFF. Thats it. I either get into a situation where:
1. Dusk-night sky, still got light-even at 730 pm, then sudden on, while everyone else using position lights.
2. Sometimes not that dark, at 7 pm, it turns on-full lights, everyone else still not even using their position lights.
3. It gets dark at 630pm, everyone open lights, then at 7 pm, bright as day, everyone else close lights. Lights still on there.
4. Or When it is turned on, after coming out of the tunnel, it takes time to turn off.

Situation 4 I can live with. Situation 1, 2 and 3 no.


Another reason is that the system is only as good as clean as your mirror is..which for long distance, heavy rain, does not work as mirror get dirty. The sensor is on the dash, and not on the window though. Mind you the Accord does not have rain sensor, or intermittent adjuster as well, which is annoying for drizzle conditions.

Since the sensor is on the dash, I've tried few times closing with my hand partially, close full, open see how fast the system is. I can say it is slow. I know why it is slow, because it does not want the light to ON/OFF when there is shadow. No matter how I try, I still can't get the position lamps only to turn using the auto function.

I don't use it cause my brain knows better

Is the Suprima dyno chart the same with preve or different?
http://www.bloggermiey.com/2012/04/proton-...-dyno-test.html

I cannot find the suprima chart online. Helps me understand how to drive the car. If there is no more power after 4.5k RPM, then I don't want to keep flooring it.

1 second only? Feel faster though...

1) ABS sports Body Kit
2) TPMS Tyre Pressure Monitoring System
3) LDWS Lane Departure Warning system
4) AVM All View Monitoring blind Spot Detection
5) Front and Rear sensors and HD rear Camera with Active parking grids
6) Full leather interior, Napa leather
7) Digital Instrument Cluster full TFT, animated and configurable.
8) LRR tires and special Alloy Rims
9) Gas strut for front Bonnet
10)Brushed Aluminium interior trim
11)3M special solar film

http://www.mudah.my/High+tech+Accessoties+...VE-23180655.htm

Hmm.. maybe can ask this person to upgrade suprima s silver trim to black brush alumnium. That would be awesome.

While at it, ypu might want to install the Pioneer Appradio3

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Sep 6 2013, 09:52 PM

Hehe i just thought it would be a waste not to use the car handling advantage if i drive slow. Taking corner would really be great if the car is fitted with better tires. Well, I think it wont be that bad since the stock tire is already 17 inch. That size should be sufficient for normal driving.

Look nice but the asking price for all that gadget...15k
cant afford that, even paying the down payment is a big challenge for me

This post has been edited by Volt: Sep 6 2013, 10:27 PM

I think there should be enough owners now that they can start a proper Suprima S thread at the car club.

Or no one want to take the responsibility

maybe only a few owner for now so that waiting for more members before starting

Can already start booking thread

[quote=mystvearn,Sep 6 2013, 06:08 PM]
Is the Suprima dyno chart the same with preve or different?
http://www.bloggermiey.com/2012/04/proton-...-dyno-test.html

even using 7 speed mode,one cant dyno it due to cvt nature. the result is inaccurate unless using manual gbox.

suprima n preve n eb has same power output. the difference is just power delivery n sensitivity which cntrol by ecu through dbw throtte.

being torque based ecu,one can adjust it according demand.

what happened to preve is that torque rettention below charged point. remember,cvt is famously known for its slingshot@some people cal it rubberband effect,even technically,rubberband effect didnt exist anymore due to mechanical changes in newer cvt.

so,in order to reduce this,to help ease of driving during park or in the parking area or housing area,the torque isnt fully release.

since preve is lighter than eb,so,more torque retention applied. in suprima,they make it sensitive,release more torque. normally this happened at 1.6krpm n below.

preve pedal sensitivity already revised on new software. thats why in preve when reaching 2k rpm,then u feel the power coming n its sudden, while supprima its more linear.

eb,due to its weight,more is being release,but the weight did help to counter it effect. thats why preve n suprima have traction cntrol,incase some may excessively pressing the pedal at parking lot.

n fc also affected by the way becoz when using torque based ecu, the sudden need of torque causing the fuel rail to spray more fuel to produce torque.

remember,in cvt,even slight pedal movement,the rpm is easy to jump to 2k rpm. while in manual or other gboxes,its still up n down motion every gear change,n the gear did hold how much speed u can speed up.

example,2k rpm in cvt means 0kmh to 90kmh,while 2krpm in 1st gear mean maybe 20kmh only.

[quote=mat79,Sep 7 2013, 09:52 AM]
[quote=mystvearn,Sep 6 2013, 06:08 PM]
Is the Suprima dyno chart the same with preve or different?
http://www.bloggermiey.com/2012/04/proton-...-dyno-test.html

even using 7 speed mode,one cant dyno it due to cvt nature. the result is inaccurate unless using manual gbox.

suprima n preve n eb has same power output. the difference is just power delivery n sensitivity which cntrol by ecu through dbw throtte.

being torque based ecu,one can adjust it according demand.

what happened to preve is that torque rettention below charged point. remember,cvt is famously known for its slingshot@some people cal it rubberband effect,even technically,rubberband effect didnt exist anymore due to mechanical changes in newer cvt.

so,in order to reduce this,to help ease of driving during park or in the parking area or housing area,the torque isnt fully release.

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[quote=mat79,Sep 7 2013, 10:10 AM]
since preve is lighter than eb,so,more torque retention applied. in suprima,they make it sensitive,release more torque. normally this happened at 1.6krpm n below.

preve pedal sensitivity already revised on new software. thats why in preve when reaching 2k rpm,then u feel the power coming n its sudden, while supprima its more linear.

eb,due to its weight,more is being release,but the weight did help to counter it effect. thats why preve n suprima have traction cntrol,incase some may excessively pressing the pedal at parking lot.

n fc also affected by the way becoz when using torque based ecu, the sudden need of torque causing the fuel rail to spray more fuel to produce torque.

remember,in cvt,even slight pedal movement,the rpm is easy to jump to 2k rpm. while in manual or other gboxes,its still up n down motion every gear change,n the gear did hold how much speed u can speed up.

example,2k rpm in cvt means 0kmh to 90kmh,while 2krpm in 1st gear mean maybe 20kmh only.

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I see. Thanks. So that dyno inaccurate then?

unless its on engine alone dyno. no need to think too much. even match with any trans, minus the transmission loss,the accessible pwr at rpm almost the same albeit lower. cfe has max hp at 5k rpm,that is ur max disposal. however same as any car,it can be rev a bit more bfore redline to ensure a bit more juice can be extracted although dropping in hp graph,normally not much.

my recommendation,to accelerate normally,to overtake,depend on speed,exploiting the max torque is the best,between 2k to 4k rpm. no need to wot. half throttle enough. remember,its cvt,there is no pwrloss in between shifting. however,for getting max top speed,of couse max hp is needed.

So anything above 5k RPM is negative return then?

In Preve the turbo comes in 2k-4k, and 138 hp at 5k RPM.

Looks like people will need to change their driving style from normal car, like Satria, high HP, at high RPM to cool and calm.

Can this be used for Suprima as well?
http://paultan.org/2012/04/05/proton-preve...e/preve-output/

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Sep 7 2013, 05:11 PM

Yes. too much exhaust gas in the turbo result in negative return. 'exhaust backpressure' .
u love to rev high, buy 911, rev up to 8k rpm everyday time every day no problem.


This post has been edited by Phc: Sep 7 2013, 06:16 PM

Just found new suprima club

www.mysuprimaclub.com

Now only 8 member

I'm not that daft to rev car for everyday usage

why need to work hard when you can do it for less :-). less is more.

nowadays,manufacturer try to extract the power as low as possible while comply with emission cntrol n fc.

if u look close,even iafm+ achieve its max hp earlier than iafm n its torque same as cps but achieve at lower rpm.

rather than put racers in mind,proton now move towards usable power for daily ride,rather high revving weekend drive.

next, increase fuel efficiency without compromising pwr output. it isnt they cant do that,but its due to cost.

to put into prospective,ford ecoboost 1.0, really high investment,thats why now they will use it across it products even focus n mondeo n do u know how much diff of scales between ford n proton?

there is a lot of goodies in lotus,but the cost is the problem.

but i believe they can 1 day,buying 13 patents engines from petronas for couple of hundreds million is cheap,considering build a new one can cause u at stagering 1 billion n above.