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 Samsung Galaxy Note III - Official V1, 3rd Gen of the original Phablet !!

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post Sep 10 2013, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Cynox @ Sep 10 2013, 01:05 PM)
yes, exactly, i dun buy my device based on hardware alone but its features.  What the device can do, not what the device is made of.  Smoothness of UI is nothing if the device cannot help us much in daily life coz i dun just flip here flip there just to enjoy the smooth UI.

I want the convenience to write something down immediately during a call (or whenever) when there is no pen and paper around me.  I want the flexibility of multi-windows when i can do multiple tasks at the same time.  I want the screen to be bigger so that my aging eyes can see clearer.  I want to be able to install different custom ROM (with different themes and features) whenever i am bored with the existing one.

Yes, i do want the smoothness of UI but it is not my priority, as long as it is as smooth as my current Note II.  biggrin.gif 

Not to be brunt but the only nitpicking iPhone can do now is the "smoothness" of UI (if you insist) and the more content in their App Store/iTunes.  oh.. and also the many accessories available for Apple devices.  thumbup.gif

Sorry, not a droidfrag, just stating the fact.  I just bought a MBA 2013 last month - enjoying the "smoothness UI" of MBA now.  happy.gif
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actually i do really resent that ipongs have more accessories to choose over android phone tongue.gif

also i enjoy the smoothness of my wife's ipad as well. rclxms.gif
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More RAM ease multitask and quicker app switching without reloading biggrin.gif

S3 performance is good but the RAM is too little.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 10 2013, 02:10 PM)
More RAM actually affected the overall smoothness.

S III lagging main issue due to it not enough RAM, and keep closing background task to let the phone still work in proper, and badly it can even close the main thing - touchwiz launcher.

When RAM is too little to handle everything, how you tweak also useless. Those custom ROM can run more proper as basically most is trim down the whole ROM thus less things run in background, this in-fact is not the real solution. If buy a phone, I want it fully utilize whatever given by the manufacturer, not a trim down edition.

Thus, adding more RAM in-fact is the better way.
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Adding ram is just one of the way. Frankly i would say TW is not fully optimize for smoothness and having 3gb on Note 3 will not guarantee better user experience. That being said, TW got lots of really useful function to make it up.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 10 2013, 02:10 PM)
More RAM actually affected the overall smoothness.

S III lagging main issue due to it not enough RAM, and keep closing background task to let the phone still work in proper, and badly it can even close the main thing - touchwiz launcher.

When RAM is too little to handle everything, how you tweak also useless. Those custom ROM can run more proper as basically most is trim down the whole ROM thus less things run in background, this in-fact is not the real solution. If buy a phone, I want it fully utilize whatever given by the manufacturer, not a trim down edition.

Thus, adding more RAM in-fact is the better way.
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I agree with you. If not enough RAM, process with keep on switch in and out from RAM and it'll affect overall smoothness of the device.

But isn't UI already in the memory?

The reason we have lagness is it because of Android prioritization problem? Android just need to finish doing certain task before react to touch or change task. That contribute to lag.

Probably Sir Lord Baron trying to say that for UI, its already preloaded inside RAM. So it should not be affected by being switch in and out from RAM. It's protected under OS portion of the RAM. So increasing RAM no effect to UI.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Sep 10 2013, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(owentan328 @ Sep 10 2013, 01:58 PM)
we told you already the UI can be changed, that's what we called a launcher. Let's take this video for example, its using the TW launcher, to be honest the savvy users don't use TW if they can help it, every person i encounter i will suggest another launcher, go launcher, nova, apex etc. We have a choice and that's what is good about android.

Now the video is comparing stock vanilla and TW. TBH stock launcher is just empty, it's plain, it will suit only certain people but in maketing sense it will not sell well. I have a friend using N4 and he says N4 comes empty, there's nothing on it, no features like samseng. logically samseng has to add in those gimmick and features to sell to the normal consumers.

As cynox mentioned, i also don't buy a phone based purely on smoothness of the UI, u either buy a phone for its usefulness or to brag and i tell you bragging your ui is smooth is the lamest thing i ever encounter, u show ur phone and u just swipe swipe telling others how smooth it is, everyone will be like er.... doh.gif

again its ur money u choose wut u want, android is using java dalvik vm its impossible to be fully lagfree
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Sep 10 2013, 01:10 PM)
Z1, Ultra Z, LG G2, all this flagship but its not the latest with 3GB RAM. Why? Samsung monopolize all 3GB in the market?  biggrin.gif
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it comes to a question, do we really need 3gb RAM? is it just a waste of resources? for user, having more is always good.. but for manufacturer, being smart, being conservative while it still can.. how if next flagship come with 5gb RAM, do we need that much? for me, 1gb RAM boooo.. but 3gb, i don't mind, because 2gb is still abundant…So far i never been in a situation that my 2gb RAM is fully utilized, so why 3gb? just for the sake of fancy spec sheet? its like a Proton Wira with big spoiler, does it really need that? tongue.gif laugh.gif but anyway i'm dunno engineering stuffs, maybe the current/incoming Android needed 3gb RAM. or maybe TW is so heavy that it needed 3gb RAM while other UI running fine on 2gb..

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QUOTE(antt00 @ Sep 10 2013, 02:14 PM)
Adding ram is just one of the way. Frankly i would say TW is not fully optimize for smoothness and having 3gb on Note 3 will not guarantee better user experience. That being said, TW got lots of really useful function to make it up.
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Ya, Samsung having a lot more features, it is more difficult for them to fully optimize it than others manufacture.
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Actually example for myself, I know the smoothness always is Nexus series phone due to it pure Android.

But I never like Nexus, why? Simple, pure android features is really pure, quite empty actually as destEX said, Nexus phone never fulfill my needs.

I prefer more features phone.


Means different people different needs.

Android is freedom at least Android give you pure feel for those prefer it, or full of additional features for those that need it.

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QUOTE(un_id @ Sep 10 2013, 02:15 PM)
it comes to a question, do we really need 3gb RAM? is it just a waste of resources? for user, having more is always good.. but for manufacturer, being smart, being conservative while it still can.. how if next flagship come with 5gb RAM, do we need that much? for me, 1gb RAM boooo.. but 3gb, i don't mind, because 2gb is still abundant…So far i never been in a situation that my 2gb RAM is fully utilized, so why 3gb? just for the sake of fancy spec sheet? its like a Proton Wira with big spoiler, does it really need that? tongue.gif  laugh.gif but anyway i'm dunno engineering stuffs, maybe the current/incoming Android needed 3gb RAM. or maybe TW is so heavy that it needed 3gb RAM while other UI running fine on 2gb..
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Well samsung gives it so we just take it. Not like we have a choice. laugh.gif

Who knows, with all the new functions they are adding maybe they need more ram, or they just want the RAM capacity to match the Note series running number. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 10 2013, 02:10 PM)
More RAM actually affected the overall smoothness.


S III lagging main issue due to it not enough RAM, and keep closing background task to let the phone still work in proper, and badly it can even close the main thing - touchwiz launcher.


When RAM is too little to handle everything, how you tweak also useless. Those custom ROM can run more proper as basically most is trim down the whole ROM thus less things run in background, this in-fact is not the real solution. If buy a phone, I want it fully utilize whatever given by the manufacturer, not a trim down edition.

Thus, adding more RAM in-fact is the better way.
As for iOS, that is different case, iOS is as dummy as it can for me, and nothing really real multi-tasking and no much background running task. So iOS no need high performance processor or a lot of RAM to utilize.
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the bolded part is not quite true. ANd there is more that goes into a good custom rom (keyword good) than just shaving things off. There is actual optimisations being done. the simplest one i can think of is partitioning more ram for the UI usage.

the program again, is not enough ram. Lets take Note 2 for example. 2GB.

Out of 2GBram, how much ram is being used by TW UI? not 2GB. a fraction of that. So how is increasing the pool of available ram to 3GB gonna change anything? Its got to go down to the TW UI framework itself. You dont need the extra 1GB to become 3GB to increase smoothness. WHat you need to do is allocate more of the 2GB pool into the TW UI for example, but even then, by right, u shouldnt need to do that because to do it means that the UI has memory leak in the first place. :/

when your S3 lags, the TW UI, go to your ram, and see where is the pool of ram being assigned to. Then you can get a better picture of why your device is lagging.

so yea. Optimisation is the keyword

the rest of your post is more or less spot on
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QUOTE(un_id @ Sep 10 2013, 02:15 PM)
it comes to a question, do we really need 3gb RAM? is it just a waste of resources? for user, having more is always good.. but for manufacturer, being smart, being conservative while it still can.. how if next flagship come with 5gb RAM, do we need that much? for me, 1gb RAM boooo.. but 3gb, i don't mind, because 2gb is still abundant…So far i never been in a situation that my 2gb RAM is fully utilized, so why 3gb? just for the sake of fancy spec sheet? its like a Proton Wira with big spoiler, does it really need that? tongue.gif  laugh.gif but anyway i'm dunno engineering stuffs, maybe the current/incoming Android needed 3gb RAM. or maybe TW is so heavy that it needed 3gb RAM while other UI running fine on 2gb..
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3gb for future use. Maybe got ram hog game next. Or make can install Ubuntu. Endless Possibilities. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 10 2013, 02:19 PM)
Actually example for myself, I know the smoothness always is Nexus series phone due to it pure Android.

But I never like Nexus, why? Simple, pure android features is really pure, quite empty actually as destEX said, Nexus phone never fulfill my needs.

I prefer more features phone.
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Wah, Note 3 is loaded with feature to the brim. You should get it first day drool.gif
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QUOTE(un_id @ Sep 10 2013, 02:15 PM)
it comes to a question, do we really need 3gb RAM? is it just a waste of resources? for user, having more is always good.. but for manufacturer, being smart, being conservative while it still can.. how if next flagship come with 5gb RAM, do we need that much? for me, 1gb RAM boooo.. but 3gb, i don't mind, because 2gb is still abundant…So far i never been in a situation that my 2gb RAM is fully utilized, so why 3gb? just for the sake of fancy spec sheet? its like a Proton Wira with big spoiler, does it really need that? tongue.gif  laugh.gif but anyway i'm dunno engineering stuffs, maybe the current/incoming Android needed 3gb RAM. or maybe TW is so heavy that it needed 3gb RAM while other UI running fine on 2gb..
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thats the point. do we really need 3gb? i dont use all 2GB of ram on my htc one.

personally think that samsung needs it due to its features and smoothness

someone said that the TW can we tweak to get smoothness.

that said, then my HTC one also can tweak to give even more smoothness.


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We are holding computers, not phones anymore. More RAM is ALWAYS a good thing to reduce paging. Why are in memory accelerators all the rage in enterprise database and application software??

More RAM lets you do more. Do not ever think you are using a phone to browse. It is a computer that uses your phone radio as a modem only.
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QUOTE(Baronic @ Sep 10 2013, 02:21 PM)
the bolded part is not quite true. ANd there is more that goes into a good custom rom (keyword good) than just shaving things off. There is actual optimisations being done. the simplest one i can think of is partitioning more ram for the UI usage.

the program again, is not enough ram. Lets take Note 2 for example. 2GB.

Out of 2GBram, how much ram is being used by TW UI? not 2GB. a fraction of that. So how is increasing the pool of available ram to 3GB gonna change anything? Its got to go down to the TW UI framework itself. You dont need the extra 1GB to become 3GB to increase smoothness. WHat you need to do is allocate more of the 2GB pool into the TW UI for example, but even then, by right, u shouldnt need to do that because to do it means that the UI has memory leak in the first place. :/

when your S3 lags, the TW UI, go to your ram, and see where is the pool of ram being assigned to. Then you can get a better picture of why your device is lagging.

so yea. Optimisation is the keyword

the rest of your post is more or less spot on
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Maybe its just boiled down to Android OS. It just refuse to execute TW UI when doing other things. Thus, more cores are need and Kitkat need to take advantage is 8 MP.
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QUOTE(owentan328 @ Sep 10 2013, 02:21 PM)
thats the point.  do we really need 3gb?  i dont use all 2GB of ram on my htc one.

personally think that samsung needs it due to its features and smoothness

someone said that the TW can we tweak to get smoothness. 

that said, then my HTC one also can tweak to give even more smoothness.
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TW is due to the overlay there, floating window, multiwindow, popup memo those are very heavy wink.gif

One is quite plain to be honest

I dont feel N2 is laggy to be honest, if I want really smooth graphics and transitions, I rather get iPhone laugh.gif
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QUOTE(un_id @ Sep 10 2013, 02:15 PM)
it comes to a question, do we really need 3gb RAM? is it just a waste of resources? for user, having more is always good.. but for manufacturer, being smart, being conservative while it still can.. how if next flagship come with 5gb RAM, do we need that much? for me, 1gb RAM boooo.. but 3gb, i don't mind, because 2gb is still abundant…So far i never been in a situation that my 2gb RAM is fully utilized, so why 3gb? just for the sake of fancy spec sheet? its like a Proton Wira with big spoiler, does it really need that? tongue.gif  laugh.gif but anyway i'm dunno engineering stuffs, maybe the current/incoming Android needed 3gb RAM. or maybe TW is so heavy that it needed 3gb RAM while other UI running fine on 2gb..
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comparing ram to spoiler and phone to car doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

ram is an important part that affects the overall performance of any device, u can have 30 cores but ram 2GB? the performance bottleneck is th 2GB ram, but if u increase the overall performance also increase, get it?

As a consumer of course having more is better, u can never have "enough" of technology, the moment you had enough, you're an old fart who doesn't keep up with the tech, waiting for retirement. The moment the whole world says its enough is the same time as the end of the world.

Anyways extra 1GB of ram if you know how to utilize it fully then u'll find out how good is having that extra 1GB. That being said in G Note 3, the overall user ram left is 2.4GB 600mb is reserved by the system
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QUOTE(owentan328 @ Sep 10 2013, 02:21 PM)
thats the point.  do we really need 3gb?  i dont use all 2GB of ram on my htc one.

personally think that samsung needs it due to its features and smoothness

someone said that the TW can we tweak to get smoothness. 

that said, then my HTC one also can tweak to give even more smoothness.
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The 3GB will be useful when you tweak as a chef and put in full featured multiwindow for your device. the Note 2's 2GB ram was not sufficient to do this.

and yes, the 3GB ram will hardly mean anything to the out of box user. to the customiser however, its like telling a sand castle builder "here's another bucket of sand. go wild with it"
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QUOTE(joytest @ Sep 10 2013, 02:23 PM)
We are holding computers, not phones anymore.  More RAM is ALWAYS a good thing to reduce paging. Why are in memory accelerators all the rage in enterprise database and application software??

More RAM lets you do more. Do not ever think you are using a phone to browse. It is a computer that uses your phone radio as a modem only.
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True. Some website is ram hog is use Desktop UA.
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QUOTE(Baronic @ Sep 10 2013, 02:21 PM)
the bolded part is not quite true. ANd there is more that goes into a good custom rom (keyword good) than just shaving things off. There is actual optimisations being done. the simplest one i can think of is partitioning more ram for the UI usage.

the program again, is not enough ram. Lets take Note 2 for example. 2GB.

Out of 2GBram, how much ram is being used by TW UI? not 2GB. a fraction of that. So how is increasing the pool of available ram to 3GB gonna change anything? Its got to go down to the TW UI framework itself. You dont need the extra 1GB to become 3GB to increase smoothness. WHat you need to do is allocate more of the 2GB pool into the TW UI for example, but even then, by right, u shouldnt need to do that because to do it means that the UI has memory leak in the first place. :/

when your S3 lags, the TW UI, go to your ram, and see where is the pool of ram being assigned to. Then you can get a better picture of why your device is lagging.

so yea. Optimisation is the keyword

the rest of your post is more or less spot on
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I use nearly all S III ROM, none is really make the S III run as smooth as Note II as it just can't. Unless you run pure AOSP ROM, but then what the point, you lost all Samsung features and the main reason I buy Samsung phone is I want Samsung features.

If want AOSP ROM only, just get the Nexus is fine.

S III is big nightmare once you open another RAM hunter app - Chrome.

But all this issue not happening under Note II, because simply as Note II had extra enough RAM to handle others app properly.

Off course Touchwiz itself never use up all the RAM, but the left out is not enough to proper handle others heavy task already, just a simple Chrome browser is enough to make the S III badly nightmare phone.

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is it just me or other will think of this... since ram is designed long time ago because processor read at ram faster than read at spinning harddisk (pc era)....

since nowadays all mobile phones all using flashed based chip storage, why they dont skip all over the ram thing, directly read at the storage chips, does it makes sense?

Instead of
processor (SoC, 1.7gHz) <> ram (2gb) <> storage (8/16/32gb)

how about
processor (SoC, 1.3 gHz) <> flashed based ram/storage (16/32gb)

then no more lag things happens lor... samsung is hardware maker, i root on them to do this, or maybe qualcomm or apple or intel or nvidia or amd can do this also...

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