Summore its amt
I wonder how is the sound when in auto mode.

Hmm...test drive 2 Savvy MT STD version today.

Found a few things i dun like:
(1) Power steering freakishly heavy...heavier than my old Kia Sephia despite being a smaller car??? At least 2.5 times heavier than my Myvi. But at least it's better than no power steering like Viva 850/660.

(2) Clutch and gear stick so hard??? Is this normal??

The salesman explained to me it's the old version with 15" tyre and new version with 14" tyre has better power steering. I'm trying to arrange for a test drive with the new version.

Other things i found:
(1) Engine noise is acceptable, but not as queit as a Myvi.
(2) I don't feel it's dat powerful...Myvi 1.3 feels much more powerful and smoother.
(3) Handling is good, expected from the low profile design.
(4) Vibration level is low, better than 850/660 VIVA definitely.

btw, there's discount of RM3K for STD/HI-LINE version now, so STD version is only RM37K++...

right now, i'm looking for a 2nd car and is juggling between a 34K barebone almost naked Savvy, a VIVA 1.0 manual, a 2nd hand Kelisa or a 2nd hand Savvy.

What i can see i need for barebone Savvy are:
(1) Muffler (WTF!!! Muffler pun tadak!!!)....i wonder if they re-tune ECU for the naked version? Muffler affects performance right?
(2) Alarm - otherwise, naked Savvy will be car thieves hottest pick already.
(3) Immobilizer - can we implement third party ones??
(4) Reverse sensor - wife says it's compulsory. Cannot argue.
(5) Alloy rims will be much better than steel rims. Malaysia is potholes heaven.


How much will those things cost me if i install on my own?? If too expensive, than the RM37K discounted STD seems like a better option.
VIVA 1.0 manual is also RM37K...

A 2nd hand Savvy also seems like good deal as price quite low....only RM25k to RM27K for 05/06 model....so buying new Savvy also seems like money dissapearing very fast...

decisions....decisions...I spent whole day today test driving Savvys and 2nd hand Kelisas!!!

whats the difference between savvy STD and Hi-Line?

same like other models from Proton and Perodua.
Abs, airbag. Dunno about leather seat or ebd, mp3 player.

Can feel the difference when comparing those P2s and Savvy? Low profile tyres not only contributing to good handling, chassis rigidity, suspension setup and design also make much difference... I feel the steering is properly weght - not too heavy or light..The hard clutch, stiff gear shift, heavy steering s a normal trait - it helps a lot in high speed cruising,..feels good and doesn't feel lembik and sissy like the P2 gearshifts.

Standard alarm also thieves can easily hack in, that normal standard alarm usually cost more or less RM100 only, branded 2-way alarm and immo like the Viper cost from a couple of hundreds, quite affordable.

The reverse beep beep sensor is actually very cheap--RM50 you can get at any accesory shop.

Hi-Line has ABS, SRS arbags and EBD.

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Added on July 15, 2007, 3:35 amStill some ignorant pomen thought savvy's rear wheel is badly misaligned, the -ve camber helps in cornerng.

rear wheels look like this from behind.
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This post has been edited by hypermount: Jul 15 2007, 03:35 AM

of course la... DVVT is still the best

Yep, can feel the difference and frankly not very impressed with Savvy so far. Good handling and even performance is not that important for me as long as it's not like low cc auto car (VIVA 1.0 Auto simply no power, Kelisa 1.0 auto much, much more powerful, but then, Savvy didn't even dare to have auto..AMT don't count)...and so far the pick up isn't that impressive, i was expecting better.

High speed cruising not important also for me. All i need is a 2nd car for town driving, fuel efficient, reliable and cheap enuff. Furthermore, no point cruising highspeed on highway with Savvy since so small and can't fit in the rest of the family and stuff comfortably for a holiday, which my Myvi does nicely.
If it wasn't becoz of the promotion and price cut, i don't think i'll consider a Savvy at all (not to mentioned there's already 2 1.3cc Myvi in the family...getting another Myvi for my 2nd car is...weird!!! LOL).

And pleez ler, quit the bias rambling about P2 being sissy becoz ur savvy got hard cluth and gears!! Bias comments ain't gonna help. P1 salesman told me these are common complaints of Savvy that's why new version is suppose to fix it.
btw, Myvi 1.3 clutch and gears is not lembik as u claim at all, just nice. VIVA is lembik though. Have u even drive those cars??

So anyone know how much a muffler and alloy rims gonna cost me? I think that's the most expensive stuff left out in bare naked Savvy.

btw, anyone got problem with Savvy fusebox? Read in some forums users encountering wrong wiring problems and blown a couple of fuse box in older 05/06 batches.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 15 2007, 07:48 AM

the heavier steering is for handling purposes. it feels very planted and very solid.

what defines power for you? i personally think that the savvy's power is adequate.

come on lah, you're only paying like, less than RM40k? what sort of power do you expect?

i'm sure it's more powerful than the myvi anyways. and yes, i've driven both.

This post has been edited by nerd: Jul 15 2007, 10:24 AM

neo clutch and gear is hard also what but how come owners are not complaining ?

Nerd got it spot on...P2's manual gearstick is too long, the solidness feel sn't there. I've driven ALL P2's cars except Rusa.

I think Matrix was the one who complained about the LHS signal stalk lol..

Fusebox is not the major problem. I burnt my room light fuse when DIY the ignition key ring. Shows the backup electrical system works fine preventing the ECU from being fried.

Yes, the power is adequate, but just not up to expectaction from all the hypes from Savvy fanboys....

To each his own, i think Myvi are more powerful than the Savvy anyday.

But that is not important in this case, I'm more interested in the cost of the parts that's left out in the naked Savvy.

Muffler, alarms, alloys rims and 3rd party immobilizer(if available)...will it set me back RM2K or more??

if u remove the rims from the above, it should cost u way less then RM 1k

I think bare naked Savvy got steel rims...according to the datasheet provided by P1 salesman.

Steel rims ok or not? Will it dent easily compare to Alloy rims?

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Added on July 15, 2007, 12:34 pmYes, the LHS sucks. If it's cheap enuff though, i can overlook it. But that doesn't mean it doesn't suck. LOL.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 15 2007, 12:34 PM

yes, MyVi is the bestest most powerful car

The steering is not that heavy and for me is quite responsive. The gear and clutch maybe a little stiff, but you'll get use to it. I like it

I wonder if all savvy owner here mantains the recommended tyre pressure : 210 at front and 190 at back.

i think u should consider urself another a myvi and is not weird becoz u think myvi is best in its class (Local K-car series)..... and myvi clutch is indeed... lembik if u complain the savvy clutch hard u try gen2 clutch and see.... serious... i dun think u should consider savvy at all.... from all ur comment u doesn't like savvy.... i think beside myvi kelisa is best for u...

fer y'alls info..k-car must not be more than 660cc engine, about the same size as the kancil........

my bad..... and myvi is actually in sub compact category??

steel rims is ok la.......
viva also steel rims what.....

as long as the car can move, enough already what....
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LHS sucks ?
i lol-ed

What to do, once u drive a myvi, u better dont look at savvy. That's what happen to Matrix now. Cant accept anything better.
Myvi powerful than savvy? I think he better try a drag for 1km is enough. U can see which one is powerful in stock.
LHS sux? Well kcng, u want to change to RHS back?

This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jul 15 2007, 04:39 PM

hehe no need to turn this into a bashing thread. I think its a good decision that matrix wants to buy a savvy for a second car. The savvy is a great car in my opinion.

Dont worry about the LHS being weird ull get used to it like after 3 minutes in the car. hahaha.