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post May 13 2006, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(nerd @ May 13 2006, 03:19 PM)
my bandmate scoops his mids too. laugh.gif so same la biggrin.gif
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Who cares about the other guitarist, It's the cymbals and bass that are drowning your guitar sound LOL! biggrin.gif When you scoop you mids, you're only left with the bass and treble frequency to cut through the band. So do you think your guitar has fatter bass frequency than the bass player and bass drum or treble frequency that could stand out from the hi-hat and cymbals? icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(noisetrigger @ May 13 2006, 04:32 PM)
For all tube amp, definately but for a hybrid I highly doubt it.
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I'm skeptical too, but some guitarists have gotten positive effects by just replacing the tubes... so there's still some hope. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(j05h @ May 13 2006, 06:52 PM)
I say they should ask Eric Johnson's opinion. Then write a 12 page report on it.
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Eric Johnson will recommend that we should rewire our amps to a certain direction, use XXX cables and Duracell batteries to power the pedals. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(Reload @ May 13 2006, 09:59 PM)
Oh, and the one thing that really annoys me is that the speaker and line outputs mute the internal speaker.
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It's annoying, but I think they have a reason to do so : The amp really doesn't sound as good on line out itself. They're probably encouranging people to crank their amp (In terms of volume) just like the good old way.

Though, they should've included a switch behind. sad.gif

Anyway, from what I've read, the ATX series excels at modern/high-gain amps while the AT series produce better vintage amp sounds. With the amazing Fender and Vox emulations, I won't complain! thumbup.gif
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post May 13 2006, 11:47 PM

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A general rule of thumb is JJs for a warm full tone and EH for a brighter tone. I guess someone here should do a comparison test with different tubes. It will be interesting to hear what differences a tube change can do.
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post May 14 2006, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(Reload @ May 13 2006, 09:59 PM)
I've got one, AD50VT.

I use UK Modern and UK 70s, gain at 2/3 and max, respectively, with whatever settings I tweak them to on the day. And always with reverb.

To be honest, while I think the AD series is a great amp for beginners, highly affordable and fantastic for experimenting, it still suffers from the same problems as most modelling amps.

After the first few months, when I was playing around with the settings for everything, I realized that I really only use two amp models, with reverb and delay effects. Also, while I like most things that come out of the speaker, I don't really love anything.

Basically, what I really want is an all-tube amp that rules. (Don't we all.) As such, I shouldn't have bought the AD50VT, not because its bad, but because it doesn't fit my requirements. I should have bought the AD15VT or AD30VT instead, to just use for practicing and experimenting, while saving up for another amp. When I do buy this other amp, I'll be stuck with a huge 50-watter, what am I going to do with that? (Other than sell it off, of course.) If I had one of the smaller models, it would still be useful for small jams and portability.

Moral of the story: don't buy a bigger amp just because you can afford it.

Oh, and the one thing that really annoys me is that the speaker and line outputs mute the internal speaker.
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ah...until now, i still think i should have got the 50. but yeah, what u said is true. that fantastic all tube will come someday, and the little 30 will still be around to support me.(not that little anyway..)

there's an AD100 head eh.. is it possible to turn ours in to a head...yeah, it might not be practical, but is there a possibility?

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post May 14 2006, 03:47 AM

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An all tube setup is a long long way for me.

Even if i can have one, am running out of place to put it in my
cramped up room.

And the volume will have my neighbours turning into a lynch mob. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 13 2006, 11:09 PM)
Who cares about the other guitarist, It's the cymbals and bass that are drowning your guitar sound LOL! biggrin.gif When you scoop you mids, you're only left with the bass and treble frequency to cut through the band. So do you think your guitar has fatter bass frequency than the bass player and bass drum or treble frequency that could stand out from the hi-hat and cymbals? icon_idea.gif
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It's all about finding your own little niche in the soundscape, so you can cut through. Or get a Tele. They cut through damn near anything...

QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 13 2006, 11:09 PM)
I'm skeptical too, but some guitarists have gotten positive effects by just replacing the tubes... so there's still some hope. biggrin.gif
Eric Johnson will recommend that we should rewire our amps to a certain direction, use XXX cables and Duracell batteries to power the pedals. thumbup.gif
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Everyone knows that to get the best sound from an AD, you gotta change the handle to a leather one. It absorbs the bad 14764.23hz frequencies. Eric would agree. Also, for best results, lick your jack before you plug in for that all-important enzyme bond.

QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 13 2006, 11:09 PM)
It's annoying, but I think they have a reason to do so : The amp really doesn't sound as good on line out itself. They're probably encouranging people to crank their amp (In terms of volume) just like the good old way.

Though, they should've included a switch behind. sad.gif
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Yeah, the line out only takes the preamp output, and ignores the tubed poweramp. It's dumb, tho, in live situations, when you're running into the board and you need some monitoring on stage, but the speaker's not moving...
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post May 14 2006, 08:54 AM

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tubed poweramp? i thought its only tube in the preamp section
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QUOTE(j05h @ May 14 2006, 03:52 AM)
It's all about finding your own little niche in the soundscape, so you can cut through. Or get a Tele. They cut through damn near anything...
Everyone knows that to get the best sound from an AD, you gotta change the handle to a leather one. It absorbs the bad 14764.23hz frequencies. Eric would agree. Also, for best results, lick your jack before you plug in for that all-important enzyme bond.
Yeah, the line out only takes the preamp output, and ignores the tubed poweramp. It's dumb, tho, in live situations, when you're running into the board and you need some monitoring on stage, but the speaker's not moving...
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Yup, though mids are always the best bet to allow your guitar to cut through since the human ears are more sensitive to the mid-freq.
Yup, teles are the tone machines! thumbup.gif
Eric would also tell you to ditch the amp for a twin amp setup of Marshalls and Fender. tongue.gif
Well, I think they're avoiding players from sending the amp into the mixer through the line out & get a crappy tone? tongue.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(echobrainproject @ May 14 2006, 08:54 AM)
tubed poweramp? i thought its only tube in the preamp section
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A preamp tube in the power amp section. smile.gif
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QUOTE(nick_drake @ May 14 2006, 01:07 AM)
there's an AD100 head eh.. is it possible to turn ours in to a head...yeah, it might not be practical, but is there a possibility?
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Well, you could potentially get a 4x12" speaker cab (or whatever dimensions you want) and hook it up to the combo...but I have no idea whether results will be any good.
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QUOTE(Reload @ May 15 2006, 02:24 AM)
Well, you could potentially get a 4x12" speaker cab (or whatever dimensions you want) and hook it up to the combo...but I have no idea whether results will be any good.
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At the rate of getting a head, might as well get a all tube amp head..... (JCM800 2203 drool.gif )

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Guys, you know what ..... if you can, add in some sound clips for the settings you have managed to adjust with this amp.

Its like the folks at the Hardware forum like thread such as "7900GTX Official Thread" where they post thier 3Dmark 2006 scores and compare with each other.

Of course, 3Dmark 2006 won't work with your amps ..... but you post like, "I manage to get XYZ sounds with 123 settings" then post a sound clip thumbup.gif

This will help others to "hear" how this amp sounds like. biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by TheWhacker: May 15 2006, 12:06 PM
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yea thatll be cool.

just dont use any effects in between(even if its not on). and dont forget to mention the guitar u're using and pickup selection
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post May 15 2006, 01:15 PM

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Wanna hear clips???
Nah *Shameless plug* :
http://eongxien.multiply.com/music

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post May 15 2006, 01:45 PM

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DAMN LEDZEP! your song is TEH 1337! thumbup.gif notworthy.gif
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post May 15 2006, 01:51 PM

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Thanks... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

Anyway I did a lot of mastering and editing with the tracks in order to elminate the hiss (Bad grounding I guess) and stuff... though it should show what the AD could do with some editing. thumbup.gif

EDIT :
Anyway I try to recall the amp settings that I used for the track.
I've totally clueless of what I used for the intro, it could be the boutique model and some Cubase phaser.
The lead track's most probably the UK80s.(+TS9 and lots of Cubase reverb) The lushing chorus in the verse is coming from the Yamaha Magicstomp.
During the chorus, the rhythm was triple tracked (One's on the Numetal modelo with pretty much scooped mids, one's the UK80s with lots of mids and a 3rd barely audible AC30 track.)
For the break/bridge, the left channel (The BB King-style licks) I used Blackface model with lots of mids and treble rolled off. For the right channel (Mark Knopfler style), I used the Tweed model with less mids... and oh... it was fingerpicked for maximum Dire Straits authencity. tongue.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 15 2006, 01:15 PM)
Wanna hear clips???
Nah *Shameless plug* :
http://eongxien.multiply.com/music

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Its best if you can give us what settings you're using to record that clip. Like Treble is 5, Bass is 0, Mid is 10 ... effects used: Zoom Metal Zone, settings are blah blah ..... what guitar u're using. That's an example. icon_rolleyes.gif
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I can't remember that detailed now.... everything was recorded with the Yamaha Pacifica, in fact I posted the setup in the Multiply page itself, go check out. thumbup.gif

Also, there's not much point posting the EQ settings as I've fiddled about the EQs of each track on Cubase a lot. smile.gif

EDIT : Oh, I could've used the US Modern for the lead tracks. I just listened to the track and thought the tone's pretty heavy for UK80s. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(TheWhacker @ May 15 2006, 12:05 PM)
Guys, you know what ..... if you can, add in some sound clips for the settings you have managed to adjust with this amp.

Its like the folks at the Hardware forum like thread such as "7900GTX Official Thread" where they post thier 3Dmark 2006 scores and compare with each other.

Of course, 3Dmark 2006 won't work with your amps ..... but you post like, "I manage to get XYZ sounds with 123 settings" then post a sound clip  thumbup.gif

This will help others to "hear" how this amp sounds like. biggrin.gif
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is mic'd fine???
cheapo computer mic tho.... dry.gif
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yea mic'd is fine. would prefer if u mic'd it on axis than off axis
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ok, will post up some clips abit[actually quite abit] later

got a exams coming up



and do bare in mind, im a terrible guitarist
cant say guitarist oso.... string whacker more like it sweat.gif

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ May 15 2006, 04:10 PM)
yea mic'd is fine. would prefer if u mic'd it on axis than off axis
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what do you mean on axis?
BTw how to record? use windows sound recorder?

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