High Protein & low Carbs food. What I mean is natural food !!

A list of them, please..... Good for dieting or bodybuiding...

basically it meat, fish, chicken, egg, beans

then list out all the food. dunno wat to eat for 2day lunch
*think*think*think*

avoid rice, banana, noddles, bread (flour made stuffs) at all cost.

copied from a website

High protein food Protein Carbs

EGGS ( 1 medium size ) 6 grams 0 g

MILK ( 1 pint or 568ml) 19 grams 24 g

MILK ( 1 glass ) 6.3 grams 8 g

SOYA MILK Plain (200 ml) 6 grams 1.6 g

TOFU (100 g) 8 grams 0.8 g

LOW-FAT YOGHURT (plain) 150g 8 grams 10 g

LOW-FAT YOGHURT (fruit) 150g 6 grams 27 g

FISH (cod fillets 100g or 3.5 ounces) 21 grams 0 g

CHEESE cheddar 100g (3.5 ounces) 25 grams 0.1 g

ROAST BEEF ( 100g or 3.5 ounces ) 28 grams 0 g

ROAST CHICKEN 100g ( 3.5 ounces) 25 grams 0 g

OTHER MEATS AVERAGE (100g or 3.5 ounces) 25 grams 0 g


High protein food Protein Carbs

Sausages (100g or 3.5 ounces) 12 grams 13 g

Bacon (100g or 3.5 ounces) 25 grams 0 g

Ham (100g or 3.5 ounces) 18 grams 0 g

Beefburgers - freezer type average(100g) 20 grams 6 g

Corned Beef (100g or 3.5 ounces) 26 grams 0 g

Luncheon Meat (100g or 3.5 ounces) 13 grams 5.5 g

Meat Paste (100g or 3.5 ounces) 15 grams 3 g

Meat is high in protein and no carbohydrate. Eggs is high in protein and no carbohydrate. Cottage cheese is high in protein as well, and contains some carbohydrates.

Basically just avoid rice, pasta, bread, potato, and sweet stuff.

people i wonder if we cant eat rice n bread. so what should we eat then? im thinking of a go for a diet plan.

Meat and leafy vegetables. If going to eat carbs, preferably go for those complex carbohydrates rather than simple carbs.

can u explain a bit

Cottage cheese. But they are very expensive.

most cheapest high protein food - sardine in tomato sauce... but make sure its sardine, not mackerel

cheese is a carb?

carb = carbohyrate. In every food, there will be some carb inside.

how about toast bread?

What wil carb do to your bodY?

Give u energy, but the excess will convert to fat !!

I just wonder, avoid rice, noddles. Most of the guys know that, but how to avoid unless u don't eat at all??
maybe u guys can Give some suggestion on what food to replace RICE ?? I have no idea...

^^

eat brown (unpolished) rice instead..
eat wholegrain bread..

eat them slowly.. and in small portions..

If you're a bodybuilder you should have some carb in your diet, carb helps your body process/absord protein, which you'll need to build muscles. If you just wanna stay lean and not build muscles, then year have low carb diet.

Carbo tends to burn faster end may lead to sudden surge of glucose level in the blood, causing rapid insulin response. You feel better after taking high carbo food but after a while, your energy level also drop fast. One of the reason for the diabetic patients to take note. Every food also has the glycaemic index. The higher, the worse. Wherelse, high protein food releases the energy slowly and efficiently, giving constant energy to your body. Any wrong facts ?

rice is mostly the asian food. For orang putih, they eat potato, bread, pasta to replace our asian's rice.

Just dont totally avoid the rice, trust me, it do no different between dont eat them at all or eat some in the meal. Plus some more, if you eat some rice, you will have more energy to do more exercice and can do longer.

I don't think protein is energy. Carbo is, protein is muscle food (Is it brain food too? I think it is)

Protein is energy. They convert into glucose when your body doesnt have enuf carb.

Really?
Cuz what I read was, carbohydrates that aren't burnt are converted into glucose.
Didn't know protein had the ability to do that as well.

Soy Protein and Whey Protein Powder helps to build and maintain lean muscle mass. Protein helps to convert those fats inside our body becomes muscle. That is why when body building, your weight stays the same, but ur body size become muscular. So, better to take more protein for ur body building.

I think this needs to be rechecked. I'm rather sure, fats can not convert into muscle. Body burns fat, builds muscle with the help of protein. We tear our muscles, protein rebuilds them. Protein never helps body convert fats.

Btw, when I started weightlifting, my weight went from 58KG's to 63KG's
I'm rather sure my body increases in weight.

Oh.....that's news to me.
can I have the link to where you found that information? (Yeah, I can google...but... I'm lazy, and well gotta have a link to prove it right?)

Click ME

Just wonder, what do u guys eat when u r starving?? Lets said in the midnight. What I mean is instant but healthy food.

I lazy to cook la.

Easy, I drink milk, drink water, maybe I eat some fruits and salad. Because salad tastes so disgusting, I end up not feeling hungry anymore.

It's not usually, starving, it's more of .....a hunger pang.

mm..can try some high protein bar..or some low fat soy nut..can cure ur Itchy mouth n can feel full oso..i ever try..

Hmmm...a question i've been asking myself everyday for a week. I didn't touch any bread, noodles nor rice/grain for a week now......

So as long as not the above then can eat lo. If u wanna eat mix rice then only eat the dishes lo. If u wanna eat noddles then only eat the meat without the noddles lo, western food(though i know u can eat it always oso), dim sum, n meat meat meat

A hot drink(oat drinks,nestum....) n and non-cream crackers, or apple

oh my..i eat rice/noodle+ vegis + meat everyday. but i still managed to lose weight with the shake.

Good for u then! but i'm don wanna take supplements for diet.....i seen ppl taking supplements then stop then all came back n u have to have strong urge to control ur food intake without the supplements....Doing this way at the same makes me eat lesser n create a habit there .

hey....anybody here tried Appetien Weightgain(wrong spell>??) b4??
iz it any good???
cuz i heard it can help to increase ur appetite....which i need one


Chow.

http://nutriweb.org.my/article.php?sid=19

American Heart Association Comments On High Protein Diet As A Strategy For Weight Reduction
Date: Friday, January 11 @ 15:27:11 MYT

You may have heard of some groups promoting high protein diet as a "new" strategy for successful weight loss. Protein content of some of such diets can go up to 30-60% of total energy. Carbohydrate content in such diets is reduced to as low as 5%. Fat energy goes up to as much as 30-60%.They are also recommended as a better "alternative" to the conventional carbohydrate-based diet.

Your patients and subjects must have asked you at some point about such diets. Please do not be misled by promotions of such high protein diets. Please stay with the recommendations of the Ministry of Health and endorsed by the Nutrition Society of Malaysa of the food guide pyramid that you are already familiar with. Almost all health authorities in the world, the WHO and FAO are following the same guidelines.

Below is the abstract of a recent article from the America Heart Association, commenting on this high protein diet. This article appreared in the journal Circulation 104(15): 1869-1874, 2001 and is an official statement from the AHA Science Advisory and Coordinating Committee of June 2001. You can read the full article in: http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/15/1869

High-protein diets have recently been proposed as a "new" strategy for successful weight loss. However, variations of these diets have been popular since the 1960s. High-protein diets typically offer wide latitude in protein food choices, are restrictive in other food choices (mainly carbohydrates), and provide structured eating plans. They also often promote misconceptions about carbohydrates, insulin resistance, ketosis, and fat burning as mechanisms of action for weight loss. Although these diets may not be harmful for most healthy people for a short period of time, there are no long-term scientific studies to support their overall efficacy and safety. These diets are generally associated with higher intakes of total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol because the protein is provided mainly by animal sources. In high-protein diets, weight loss is initially high due to fluid loss related to reduced carbohydrate intake, overall caloric restriction, and ketosis-induced appetite suppression. Beneficial effects on blood lipids and insulin resistance are due to the weight loss, not to the change in caloric composition. Promoters of high-protein diets promise successful results by encouraging high-protein food choices that are usually restricted in other diets, thus providing initial palatability, an attractive alternative to other weight-reduction diets that have not worked for a variety of reasons for most individuals. High-protein diets are not recommended because they restrict healthful foods that provide essential nutrients and do not provide the variety of foods needed to adequately meet nutritional needs. Individuals who follow these diets are therefore at risk for compromised vitamin and mineral intake, as well as potential cardiac, renal, bone, and liver abnormalities overall.

Yeah, never be misled by ads.
You should know what works for you and what doesnt.
Gaining mass or losing fat is never about a high protein or a low carb diet whatsoever. Going low on carbs will swing your insulin level and make you feel weak whilst simply going high on protein will lead you nowhere if not coupled with the proper exercise regiment (there still must be carbs in your diet!). It will be converted nonetheless into fat if it is not broken down. You feel hungry, down and put on 'invisible' poundage in the end.
So in the end its all about balance and a healthy lifestyle.

djjock (certified fitness trainer, sports performance nutritionist)
www.egonutritions.com

anybody here always buy HL milk???
how many u always buy??
i always buy 4 liters of HL milk...
but it ended 1 box of it seems expired although still not exceeding the expired date
demittt >.<


Chow.

Yeah. Me. I buy about 10 packs at one trip to Tesco.

Haha! Same here. As much as I can carry. I think I drink 2/3 of a carton a day mebbe.
Used to drink soymilk but i didnt like the taste.

I drink 2-3 cartons a day. It's one of my main sources of protein.

Whoa! Salute u! I take quite a lot of white meat and fish for protein and a lot of taufu products. Lentils also, coz i really like Indian food. Eggs of course. Most of the yolks go to my dogs tho. The occasional steak and beer dinner (heehee)

I take a lot of milk because i hate eggs. I know their biological value for protein is on a rating of 100, second only to whey, but i caught a bad dose of salmonella poisoning a few months back.
I feel milk's the best protein pre bedtime because of the casein protein. Cos taking anything else like meat before bedtime is asking for trouble since it only stays for 3 hours. After that, your muscles are literally leeching amino acids off each other, hence catabolism. I did that before, tuna before bed, i felt like shit in the morning.
Trying cottage cheese now though, bloody expensive but it's perfect, like milk, it's slow absorbing and without the fat. But I'm still trying to figure out if the cost is worth it. We're talking about 8.50 plus for 2 servings. Crazy.

Waah, you're really hardcore. I respect. Yes, agree about meats for dinner thing. I normally have my light meal at dinner time after my workout. I space out meals in the daytime so its not too bad. Essentially I eat two meals in the office. Workout place also near the office then I go home and have a light supper thing and don't eat anything after 9pm or so. When I was living with my gf things were better becoz she was careful about our food but now living alone I'm a bit more slack so eggs are easy and cheap.

Can't find cottage cheese most times, and yeah its expensive. I can get natural curds from my local Indian lassi fella. Is milk curd ok? Its damn tasty when eaten with the lentils I must say.

i need 2-3 days to empty a carton
a bit sayang coz its quite expensive for me...ahahah ^^

p/s: poor student here~~
Chow.

This post has been edited by bata: May 29 2006, 02:54 PM

Bro. No. No light dinner After your primer post workout shake, eat, eat, EAT a HUGE meal one hour after that. Some nutrition books might even go to the extent of saying that your post workout meal should comprise of half your total daily caloric intake, but i don't agree with it 100% because most of us train pretty late in the day.
You have an anabolic window which lasts up to 2 hours post workout, take advantage of it. But within 15 mins after your workout, a liquid shake is recommended.

yeah... the cottage cheese is really good, previously i bought it from tesco and they having discount for it like rm2 for each of them, i straight away bought 6 or 8 of those and continuesly eat for a week. They are really good for metabolism. But now selling back to rm9!!

Yo! Where ya been bro? When're you joining me for a torture session at the gym?

Yeah I know.The trainer and my dietician told me that. I tried it for awhile but couldnt stick it. Sometimes I work out at lunchtime.Sometimes after work when I need to stay late. I normally eat at the gym after, nice cafe there serving good sandwiches etc and go home for proper dinner/supper. But tendency for me is that I can't eat after workout,dunno why, makes me feel weird.Usually after workout if I dont eat something heavy I have some nice fresh juice and a bar or something. Not anything heavy.

Hey.... don't worry. I understand absolutely how you feel. But at the end of the day, if your main goal is growth, you have to force yourself to eat. Heck, on a mass gaining/bulking cycle, i literally FORCE myself to eat post workout. Like i said, a primer liquid shake within 15 mins and a pretty decent sized well balanced solid dinner with proper macro ratios within 1 hour after the primer shake. Trust me, it's worth it.

IMO, you don't have to force yourself to eat other times, but post workout is a must.

read this "Low-carbohydrate diets: nutritional and physiological aspects."

Wahlau eh....if I do that sure "yit hei", which leads to outbreak of boils.

That's nonsense. It just means your metabolism is increased due to the increased ingestion of protein, which is a good thing. Just drink more water to compensate.

darklight79, my biology textbook states that taking too much of calcium will higher the chance of getting kidney stone lar.

We're talking about protein right? And a lot of pro bodybuilders take tons of milk during the bulking phase off season. Milk has a lot of calcium. No known side effects so far.
Of course, going on a high protein diet without proper fluid intake is asking for trouble.

Ok then, since I don't take supplements, what's your advice for the maximum number of eggs one can take in a day? With or without yolk for those of us trying to GAIN weight? Feels kind of wasteful to throw the lovely golden (& tastier than the eggwhite) hard-boiled yolks away.

I recall once when I had more than 4 eggs in a day and I fell sick the very next day. 2 hard boiled eggs in the morning, eggs in my Roti Telur for lunch, and a fried egg for dinner.....

This post has been edited by yeeck: Jun 2 2006, 04:48 PM

Recently, I replaced rice with wholemeal bread. It is ok or not?

Wow, i wish can be as bold as you.

Wholemeal bread is better as it is contains complex carbohydrates. As a bonus you get some fibre too. Compare this to rice which is basically just sugar.

Moderation is the key dude. Taking too much of anything is harmful.

EDIT: To answer your question, yes it increases the risk.

This post has been edited by socratesman: Jun 5 2006, 07:43 PM

Yeah I buy 4 packs and sometimes one pack always expired before the expiry date... drank it once by accident, taste like some chemical crap.

aiyoh bro... i'm now busy shifting house.... and still collecting the registration fee. The fee is the problem...

one carton of my HL milk end up expired again although its stated 30 Jun....
damnnn ...grrrrr >.<


Chow.

do you mean drink milk before bed is good?
1 day is recommanded to take how many grams of protein?

1 gramper pound of your body weight.
If you're 150 pounds, then 150 gramms of protein. But some people take 2 grams per pound.

Lol. Dude, do what i do. Open it and smell it before after you pay. That way you can change it immediately. HL milk has got a higher chance of being spoilt compared to other brands.

Smell it? AFAIK, HL milk has a layer of aluminium foil that all of you ought to check is still intact by opening the cap.

jusco had this twin HL pack a while ago. i went on a frenzy and bought 6 twin packs. that would be 12 cartons. 3 end up sourish. the chocolate ones are all okay though. maybe the sourish taste is masked by the amount of sugar. anyone noticed chocolate flavored HL milk a little too sweet?

Nope, I just like it!
chocolate is my fav flavor

this guideline is only good assuming the person is regularly working out.

Okay, and your recommendation based on trustable sources?

Exactly! AFTER i buy it, i can do whatever i want with it. And i peel of the aluminium foil and smell it! You got 2 choices:-
a)Bring it back home and wait to find out it's spoilt when you open it a few days alter and drive all the way back to the shop and exchange it

b)Embarrass yourself a bit and sniff every pack so you save a LOT of trouble and petrol.

I got pissed after several occurrences so i was like, fuk it, i don't give a shit if people are looking.

He's got a point. The average person not on a bodybuilding program only needs around 0.75g/ld of bodyweight or slightly less.

Bodybuilders need the extra protein to repair muscle tissue. Normal people don't rally require much.

KFC will make you fat if take on a regular basis. The fat in the skin and the way its cooked, it's not the healthy polyunsaturated kind of fat.
Look, at the end of the day, it's caloric output vs input which makes you gain or lose weight. But the difference is obvious where the majority of calories come from.

At the supermarkets even before paying, I just open the caps just to make sure the foil seals are still intact. If you say you unseal the foil there and then...hmm...who would want to buy it?

I meant AFTER buying it. I mean, i already paid for it, it's mine so i can do what i want with it right?

now the percentage for me to get the expired one is 70%
i always buy 4 cartons....1 will end up expired


Chow.

Shit. That is damn unlucky of you mate! Do what i do man! Open and smell it!

i always kept the receipt...but end up lazy to go ask for refund and bring the expired milk...just throw it away....
only refund...err...not refund ...change to new one when 1 carton of my milk bulging.....seems wanna explode one
hand it over to them and they handle it like fragile items....ahahah...very funny
and then giv me new one

but still my weight not increase a bit for this sem break.....
i only aim for 50++ for this time being....huwaaaa..why so susah one

Chow.

If your weight's not increasing, eat more.

Btw, adoi! I said smell it at the store itself, don't go home and bloody smell it. Wasting time! Lol.

50+ only? you must be a bit small frame/short

yup..quite true..... 160
if im standing next to darklight i bet its gonna be like Juggernaut and Gimli


Chow.

Well, i have a disease called bigorexia, which is the opposite of anorexia. I keep thinking I'm not big or strong enough.

Actually I think if you unseal the aluminium foil, it will go bad faster since it would have been exposed to the air, plus add that with the stuff from your nose when u sniff it...hahaha

Awww c'mon!!! It's not like you're unwrapping a condom packet!

niaseng... you generation oprah people, buy 2 cartons of HL like some multi billion project like that.

anyway, if you buy HL from any sundry shop and you found out that the milk is spoilt after you went back home, do return it to the taukeh. he can exchange it with the distributor for a fresher one. my old man has a sundry shop in USJ.

I prefer buying it at Tesco or other hypermarts. HL is so damn expensive at RM4.50.
It's like 3.60 at Tesco.

that's pretty cheap. i used to buy mine from jusco, cheapest they ever went was for rm4.20, though it's a lot cheaper when they come in twin packs.

i better start stocking up at Tesco instead. i once saw a bottle of flax seed oil the size of those cheap rm5 liquor in the fridge near where they put the whip cream going for rm40+. expensive sial.

Was at Tesco yesterday, price came down to RM3.50 from RM3.55.... But I think so far cheapest still at Carrefour at RM3.45.

Jesus! That expensive? But i know flax seed oil is highly anabolic fat, even better than fish oil.

woww....cheap one
here is 4.19


Chow.