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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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kh8668
post Jun 17 2013, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2013, 08:08 PM)
Buying a property with over 15 years loan tenure is not unlike buying a car with 9 years repayment. During 30 years loan tenure, the borrower is almost certain will experience 3 or 4 recession. Unless s/he has the reserved to sustain through the bad time, s/he could be underwater or drown.
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Same la for the worst thing that will be happned for both is undergone to public auction if one failed to pay promptly.

Real estate somehow can expect for capital appreciation but car definitely depreciate in value.

Lets say the house with loan 15 years and the market value 500k. One failed to pay at year of 8. The market value if lucky with minimal appreciation of 5% pa. Roughly 150k up from 8 years ago. The auction price starts from 650k. If lucky again, many bid for it, call price will be above 650k as happened since 5 years ago.wink.gif
If not lucky the bid price will maybe minus 10% from market value 650k.

All stated above is only assumption. Find your real case study.

15 years loan, paid back at year 8, the loan amount also starting reduced. Equity has been built up then.




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post Jun 17 2013, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 17 2013, 07:59 PM)
The bank replied, the unit I'm targeting worth only RM250K, which means I need to fork out another RM100K (including S&P fee) to buy this unit.  rclxub.gif
The size is around 790sf only.
Yes, I agreed with you.
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since you can get other asking price of RM280k, why not you go for them instead of this unit 325k?


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post Jun 17 2013, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jun 17 2013, 08:53 PM)
since you can get other asking price of RM280k, why not you go for them instead of this unit 325k?
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Ya, that's what I'm planning to do now... biggrin.gif
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post Jun 17 2013, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 17 2013, 07:59 PM)
The bank replied, the unit I'm targeting worth only RM250K, which means I need to fork out another RM100K (including S&P fee) to buy this unit.  rclxub.gif

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Wow, the difference is so much sweat.gif

Your case is not new. Have been hearing it since late last year that the banks are giving lower valuation than market.

It shows the BNM is wary of the hot market and trying to reduce speculation. Cooling measure is good. Controlling the size of the bubble is better than letting it continue to inflate until bubble burst. But it will affect the genuine buyers' ability to buy property.
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post Jun 17 2013, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jun 17 2013, 07:59 PM)
The bank replied, the unit I'm targeting worth only RM250K, which means I need to fork out another RM100K (including S&P fee) to buy this unit.  rclxub.gif
If the bank valuation difference is more than 50K, then u better forget it especially in Damansara Perdana where there is a glut. Areas like DP, MK, etc will be hardest hit if property market crashes or drops. Always be a smart investor.
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post Jun 17 2013, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2013, 08:08 PM)
Buying a property with over 15 years loan tenure is not unlike buying a car with 9 years repayment. During 30 years loan tenure, the borrower is almost certain will experience 3 or 4 recession. Unless s/he has the reserved to sustain through the bad time, s/he could be underwater or drown.
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You have too much worry, what a typical mindset of down camp, that's why we have so many down camp here, scared this and scared that, keep waiting until price went up, then complain price unrealistic and hope for price drop.
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post Jun 17 2013, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 17 2013, 10:32 PM)
Wow, the difference is so much  sweat.gif

Your case is not new. Have been hearing it since late last year that the banks are giving lower valuation than market.

It shows the BNM is wary of the hot market and trying to reduce speculation. Cooling measure is good. Controlling the size of the bubble is better than letting it continue to inflate until bubble burst. But it will affect the genuine buyers' ability to buy property.
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I agree with this cooling measure....but also make the rich become richer, bcos only cash rich ppl able to grab the good subsale hmm.gif
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post Jun 17 2013, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jun 17 2013, 08:37 PM)
Same la for the worst thing that will be happned for both is undergone to public auction if one failed to pay promptly.

Real estate somehow can expect for capital appreciation but car definitely depreciate in value.

Lets say the house with loan 15 years and the market value 500k. One failed to pay at year of 8. The market value if lucky with minimal appreciation of 5% pa. Roughly 150k up from 8 years ago. The auction price starts from 650k. If lucky again, many bid for it, call price will be above 650k as happened since 5 years ago.wink.gif
If not lucky the bid price will maybe minus 10% from market value 650k.

All stated above is only assumption. Find your real case study.

15 years loan, paid back at year 8, the loan amount also starting reduced. Equity has been built up then.
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Only if extended housing loan is the only liability but people who stretched on housing loan is likely to have 9 years car loan. People who have 9 years car loan is likely to max up their credit cards.

People who have extended car loan e.g. 7+ years are more likely to be behind in installment even not in recession.


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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jun 17 2013, 11:32 PM)
You have too much worry, what a typical mindset of down camp, that's why we have so many down camp here, scared this and scared that, keep waiting until price went up, then complain price unrealistic and hope for price drop.
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Bull market is the worst time to invest. As income didn't increase in tandem with property price, the current property price is unsustainable.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jun 17 2013, 11:55 PM
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post Jun 18 2013, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(blowwater101 @ Jun 17 2013, 11:46 PM)
I agree with this cooling measure....but also make the rich become richer, bcos only cash rich ppl able to grab the good subsale hmm.gif
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agreed 100%.
the rich will continue to buy all the new launch or subsales and wait for next round of boom.

i have seen china, singapore who adopt cooling measures but oni make the rich become rich.
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post Jun 18 2013, 06:01 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2013, 11:49 PM)
Only if extended housing loan is the only liability but people who stretched on housing loan is likely to have 9 years car loan. People who have 9 years car loan is likely to max up their credit cards.

People who have extended car loan e.g. 7+ years are more likely to be behind in installment even not in recession.
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Bro not all la. My fren who is previously the very high management c*o of a bank bot houses and cars with max loan tenure reason being the value of RM ll b peanut in future as he claimed. So try to explain his hypothesis??? A very high ranking person in banking industry saying tis n dun mind paying interest due to his pov of RM. is he not able to repay loan or oledi max the cc???

I blif there are many rich guys max the loan to keep liquidity in hand to invest in sthg which he is capable of generating beta return against the interest charged.


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post Jun 18 2013, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2013, 11:49 PM)
Only if extended housing loan is the only liability but people who stretched on housing loan is likely to have 9 years car loan. People who have 9 years car loan is likely to max up their credit cards.

People who have extended car loan e.g. 7+ years are more likely to be behind in installment even not in recession.
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Car is 100% depreciable expense. So, car loan 100% sure lose money. Property is appreciable asset in long term. So, property loan most of the time make money given time

But there are people who drive luxury cars and live in small DSL. The cars are worth more than the house. No right or wrong, just different people different preference.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2013, 11:53 PM)
Bull market is the worst time to invest. As income didn't increase in tandem with property price, the current property price is unsustainable.
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Haha, as said previously, one day, property price will come down. Normal cycle for every commodity. The question is WHEN will the property market come down ? I have asked, and you don't even dare to give a range of dates

Those who see property price coming down in the next 6-12 month can wait. Those who think still got 3-4 years to play can still buy and make enough money to sustain the price drop in 3-4 years
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post Jun 18 2013, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 18 2013, 06:01 AM)
Bro not all la. My fren who is previously the very high management c*o of a bank bot houses and cars with max loan tenure reason being the value of RM ll b peanut in future as he claimed. So try to explain his hypothesis??? A very high ranking person in banking industry saying tis n dun mind paying interest due to his pov of RM. is he not able to repay loan or oledi max the cc???

I blif there are many rich guys max the loan to keep liquidity in hand to invest in sthg which he is capable of generating beta return against the interest charged.
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Did I said all?



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post Jun 18 2013, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 18 2013, 07:57 AM)
Haha, as said previously, one day, property price will come down. Normal cycle for every commodity. The question is WHEN will the property market come down ? I have asked, and you don't even dare to give a range of dates

Those who see property price coming down in the next 6-12 month can wait. Those who think still got 3-4 years to play can still buy and make enough money to sustain the price drop in 3-4 years
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Bubble always burst unexpectedly early else they won't be fire sale, bankruptcy, recession, and can't see how the current price could sustain for another 3 to 4 years.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jun 18 2013, 08:07 AM
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post Jun 18 2013, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 18 2013, 07:59 AM)
Did I said all?
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No worries. Just discussion. No need to b too defensive. Soli if u r offended by some facts.


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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 18 2013, 08:09 AM)
No worries. Just discussion. No need to b too defensive. Soli if u r offended by some facts.
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No problem bro
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QUOTE(worgen @ Jun 17 2013, 02:40 PM)
I am confused with ddd camp. Not sure what are they doing here? Some ddd camp like TIKARAM even more confusing themself. Every thing about property is bad bad bad in this forum. Really damn bad. But whn come to buying spree, even the uuu camp also have to 2 hands up if try to beat him.

His total buying = 14 bijis. Breakdown for most pessimistic ddd camp TIKARAM as following:

1. Empire Damansara = 2 bijis
2. C180 = 2 bijis
3. Jadehill = 2 bijis
4. Kepong sentral = 2 bijis
5. 7 tree Seven Residen cheras = 2 bijis
6. Alam Sanjung = 2 bijis
7. You city = 2 bijis

TOtal = 14 bijis fr 7 development (both new and subsales)

Tell me, whom fr uuu camp can beat this fela?
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Are u sure?
Boss Tikaram, pls confirm?
14 bijis x RM 400K = RM 5,600,000-00 book value...
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post Jun 18 2013, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jun 18 2013, 08:18 AM)
Are u sure?
Boss Tikaram, pls confirm?
14 bijis x RM 400K = RM 5,600,000-00 book value...
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+2.5 mil in bank. Pls dun quote him too many time. Bolehland security is in red now. Hehe.

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jun 17 2013, 11:32 PM)
You have too much worry, what a typical mindset of down camp, that's why we have so many down camp here, scared this and scared that, keep waiting until price went up, then complain price unrealistic and hope for price drop.
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No right or wrong. This is personal preference.
He has his point and is called 'prudent concept'. This is a typical traditional china man style. He/She won't collapse in hard time but this limit his ability to earn more.


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