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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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blowwater101
post Jun 8 2013, 02:58 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 7 2013, 01:58 PM)
This is not the only instance where his trueself is revealed. Plenty of other instances.

The way our friend carry himself and yet die die wanting to associate himself with Dalai, that is the biggest insult to Dalai.

I mentioned in other posts, our friend placed a convex mirror in front of himself, and he constantly gets the inflating feeling back to his ownself.
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Normally ppl show 2 diff kind of respond when they made mistake...

1. admit the mistake, sounds like a loser but normally they gain ppl respect...

2. never admit their mistake, find excuse for their mistake...but ppl will never respect them...

it doesnt matter how he justify the buyer deserve to have a name like waterfish...address your buyer as waterfish is vr immoral...it will just reflect how low the personality of the investor....just like no matter how bad is the guy...if u use rude words to scold the guy, it will just reflect that u are rude ppl...

I dont think I ever replied him impolitely....why I am so polite when i reply him? bcos I stick to 1 standard or 1 principle in forum, even tho I really dont agree with his value, but is doesnt mean that i can use mean words to attack him...i dont expect he understand this as i can see his value in "waterfish"

if 1 ppl attack me, i wont think that is my fault....if 10 ppl attack me, i will think what happen on myself...

I should stop here smile.gif sorry that i wasted the resources in forum tongue.gif



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post Jun 10 2013, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jun 10 2013, 11:12 AM)
I re- asked my retired friends this morning. Add up ages is 314 year old ( excluded me).

They all agree that the crony bought my semi D is water fish. My friends said... they more salt than you eat rice wo. laugh.gif

Oh yes... your mate in "why you buy Cyberjaya?" thread also called the buyer as "water fish". Please do the same to them. told them "  vr immoral"

on that 10 ppl attack me things .  you know i know la, they are all from UUU group and they are from the same person will duplicates accounts? laugh.gif

Please help me to request your friend there how he/she insulted Dalai Lama. You are going to be shock how "more vr immoral" he/she is.

no offence again. Just sharing la. icon_rolleyes.gif

Please have trouble to called crony property buyer as water fish next time.  thumbup.gif
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Closed fight. Tikaram KO me. I think i should respect the forumer here and not pollute the thread. thumbup.gif
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post Jun 12 2013, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Jun 12 2013, 10:07 AM)
When I sold my house to my buyer, I wished him good lucks.
Recently when I went back to collect my letters, i found out that the wish came true.
He is rich now, changed bigger car and is planning to buy semi-D.
Win-win!!!
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Karma karma...u will become much wealthier soon... rclxms.gif

those who like to mentioned karma but call ppl water fish will kena 1 day laugh.gif

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post Jun 12 2013, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(worgen @ Jun 12 2013, 09:13 PM)
Hope tikaram learned a lesson here. Regardless of whatever reason, never call your buyer a water fish. Cheers tikaram boss.
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The logic is old man eat salt more than u eat rice, watever old man said must be right !
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post Jun 13 2013, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 12 2013, 11:48 PM)
Pls allow me to giv an example.

Dengar dengar dengar
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Another example u can see, if u dont agree with him...u are one of the BN crony... icon_idea.gif

Conclude by a group of judges, who eat salt more than u eat rice. (This is the only point he can said as he dont have any basis to justify his immoral values)
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post Jun 13 2013, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 13 2013, 09:50 AM)
I think whether you say it out load (i.e. calling someone water-fish) or not is irrelevant. Its more about whether you think it and feel it inside that's important if you wanna talk about karma... Those of you who accept this perspective have a lot of self-reflection to do especially those dishonest agents, flippers who wanna make a quick buck, staff of developers, etc, etc ... no?

My opinion only... smile.gif
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Agreed ! I assume u born at 1985, u eat lesser salt compare to other but u know how to earn ppl respect. rclxms.gif
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post Jun 13 2013, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 13 2013, 09:46 AM)
Why wasting time perform reasoning with morons ?

You use your adult logic, morons use moron logic. They won't converge.
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dont say moron la...haha..

Initially i really want to stop already. But when he said he can finished me off anytime, and keep saying "we" in his post, i cant imagine how arrogant and how ego this person is...it trigger my mind to play Guerrilla...is this also karma due to ego and arrogant ?
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post Jun 13 2013, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 13 2013, 10:00 AM)
Thanks... btw, I'm not born in 1985... But its interesting from a karma point of view... which is worse 1) a person who says it out loud (i.e. water-fish) or 2) a person who thinks it to himself/ herself but doesn't say it out and pretends to be one with good karma and criticise those that say it out loud ??? Interesting question to think about while we see how the market it headed...  biggrin.gif

Apologies for dwelling on the Karma subject.. I think its very related to what we do everyday... not everything is about money and lifestyle.

Anyway, wow whats up with the stock markets these few days... all red!!! Hmmmm... impact on property market?
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dont forget the 3rd person 3) a person who says it out loud and pretends to be one with good karma.

sounds like a moral lesson thread already...

Im not good in econ, may i ask, ringgit drop compare to sgd is good or bad for property market ?
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post Jun 13 2013, 10:22 AM

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looking for evidence is really wasting of time...

someone just said this to me before

"no win or lose la....we are not fighting"

"if u really attacked me then i will finished u off"
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post Jun 17 2013, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(worgen @ Jun 17 2013, 02:40 PM)
I am confused with ddd camp. Not sure what are they doing here? Some ddd camp like TIKARAM even more confusing themself. Every thing about property is bad bad bad in this forum. Really damn bad. But whn come to buying spree, even the uuu camp also have to 2 hands up if try to beat him.

His total buying = 14 bijis. Breakdown for most pessimistic ddd camp TIKARAM as following:

1. Empire Damansara = 2 bijis
2. C180 = 2 bijis
3. Jadehill = 2 bijis
4. Kepong sentral = 2 bijis
5. 7 tree Seven Residen cheras = 2 bijis
6. Alam Sanjung = 2 bijis
7. You city = 2 bijis

TOtal = 14 bijis fr 7 development (both new and subsales)

Tell me, whom fr uuu camp can beat this fela?
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I salute u Conan Detective notworthy.gif tongue.gif

As i know he got 1biji in cyberjaya (Setia eco glades)....

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 17 2013, 10:32 PM)
Wow, the difference is so much  sweat.gif

Your case is not new. Have been hearing it since late last year that the banks are giving lower valuation than market.

It shows the BNM is wary of the hot market and trying to reduce speculation. Cooling measure is good. Controlling the size of the bubble is better than letting it continue to inflate until bubble burst. But it will affect the genuine buyers' ability to buy property.
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I agree with this cooling measure....but also make the rich become richer, bcos only cash rich ppl able to grab the good subsale hmm.gif
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post Jun 19 2013, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(worgen @ Jun 19 2013, 07:58 AM)
I left out 1 biji? Oh mang, my bad. Its total 15bijis now. notworthy.gif
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sorry, its OSK Pangaea in cyber...can check cyber buyer profile as ref
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post Jun 19 2013, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jun 19 2013, 10:07 AM)
I don't buy many now wo. I bought few before 2011 and sold slowly ma.

1) I have  small jv business..still have income..and some other passive income too like rental, dividen.
2) All loan apply with a bank that understands & accepts mature age borrowers like me. I often go back to the bank that i know.
3) Need to tell your bank the " exit strategy "... the bank offer will buy your story.
4) You need to show ability to repay the loan...with some ....FD....amanah....share....fully paid off propety....something like common sence lending la. If you have that much of money. But will be very comfortable with it.
5) shorten the lenght of your loan. - it show u are prudent. most bank like this.
6) My wife still working ma. She still have employment income.
7) Can also bought "rental play" property using company ma. using company have many "tax"advantages...
8) U can recorded "one loan" but  buy buying 2 same developer properties.

my age is below 45 yo ( but i lazy to work.so retiring lo)...some bank still categories me as "not old"

next time when you saw some uncle / auntie buying...can also asked them how they get their loan.
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post Jun 20 2013, 10:00 AM

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I fall in 25-30age group, still got many frens around me still look see look see...havent bought their 1st house yet...

I happily to hear from one of my fren said that the property price will depreciate and he havent bought any yet...I guess 1 or 2 year later he will buy if there is no huge drop. sometimes I think we need DDD ppl to support the market. if everyone in crazy bbb mode then i think i will worry...

combine income to buy prop is a trend for young generation, i assume in age 25-30, average net income is 4K, so a young couple have 8k net monthly income and they eligible to buy a 800K property (monthly installment about 3.5K) I would like to conclude that the current prop price is still afforadable for young gen 1st prop buyer....not sure if I am too shallow to conclude this ?
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post Jun 20 2013, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(stanicmail @ Jun 20 2013, 10:15 AM)
Bro, 8K monthly income to buy 800K property still said affordable?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

How about maintenance fee?
How about car installment?
How about insurance?
How about food?

and etc....
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How about maintenance fee? maint fees normally is rm200-300

How about car installment? right, have to sacrify on car...many youngster choose car over prop, so many of them havent purchased house until their salary got increase...so the demand is still there...

How about insurance? many youngster dunno how important of insurance...they dont buy or buy the basic and cheap one.

How about food? most of my fren stay with parent...

For youngster who determine to buy house...they will find way to finance they 1st house one (eg. drive cheap car instead), as property can use for own occupation + investment.

I mean they can stretch until 800k la...600k for a 8k net income couple not a problem lo. I wan to emphasize the point that they can stretch until 800k, bcos many ppl said the price now is not sustainable, young gen not afford for it.

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post Jun 20 2013, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(stanicmail @ Jun 20 2013, 10:43 AM)
If the 800K property is for investment and staying with parents then is ok because of rental. But if 800K property is for own stay i think is not affordable lo....
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affordability is vr subjective one...some manager earn 8k but they think they only afford to buy a Vios, some youngster 3K only still stretch themself to get a VIOS...if youngster can stretch themself to get expensive car...they can stretch themself to buy a house too...car & prop is diff products but what i mean here is the mentality of youngster.

what im trying to say is for youngster that choose property over car, they can go for 800k prop if they wish too...and many of them havent bought any house yet, so the demand is still there...

as i said affordability is vr subjective, depends on personal life style also , no way we can argue here rclxms.gif just share what happen around me biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(teohkpin @ Jun 20 2013, 10:58 AM)
I commented in version 10 that everything is looking too rosy with bond yield all time low, equity all time high and property prices all time high, all dirven by liquidty. With the unwinding of liquidty now, MGS yield has steppened, USD to RM today 3.197......next should be equity, which we will see a huge reversal of foreign fund...... Property? if market panic......i think we will see people locking in profits, more selling than buying and price will drop.....coincide witht the oversupply of high rise coming 2014. If i am thinking of buying, i will hold on first.....i think we should see some correction (>10% drop in MV) in 2Q14. Just my thought.....
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Yes, what u said is right and makes sense...

I have some high educated frens (doct, lawyer, engineer even accountant), what i observed is they dont have the basic knowledge to analyse the prop market, or digest the knowledge from fin article or what u mentioned above...u ask them to be cautious and wait...they will expect a huge drop of at least 30% and wait for 2-3years...

property price will increase in long term...end up they will still see the property price is increased and decided to buy...
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 20 2013, 11:08 AM)
i think that is the case now - for 1st prop. possibly banks are running out of "great" borrowers, so tis category wil get loan approved.

the trouble is after 3k, the balance... will need very disciplined and thrifty ways to live. everything much costlier now.

add in kids and parent's support, kind of a "living hell". i will not like to live that way.

8k income, 500k home will be max for me.
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8K net income, 2.5K pay loan, 5.5k left...i am sure both of them will get a jpn entry level saloon car biggrin.gif

those who can sacrify on car can buy 600-700k house lo...

I will advise my fren buy now with what they can afford, with good holding power & exit strategy.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jun 20 2013, 11:35 AM)
boss, just because your 'fren' failed doesn't mean everybody fail to manage their financials.
but honestly, i salute those rm3.5k salary earners driving >rm100k vehicles.
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if 3.5k salary can drive >rm100k car....proton dont need to sell and close door next month rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 20 2013, 11:43 AM)
affordability is vr subjective one...some manager earn 8k but they think they only afford to buy a Vios, some youngster 3K only still stretch themself to get a VIOS...if youngster can stretch themself to get expensive car...they can stretch themself to buy a house too...car & prop is diff products but what i mean here is the mentality of youngster.

what im trying to say is for youngster that choose property over car, they can go for 800k prop if they wish too...and many of them havent bought any house yet, so the demand is still there...

Hmmm I hope someone remembers the above statements... If 3K can buy vios proton better close down... lmfao!!!
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hey bro, they can stretch to that extent but it doesnt mean that it is advisable le....

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