i dont feel campro is sluggish in low rpm
weird right ?

initially for the first few days, yes it felt like the car cannot move... then i have a look at my driving style...
before this i used to go over bump at 2nd or 3rd gear and the car (iswara manual / kancil manual) will still jalan...
i tried that with a campro engine and really it struggle to move...
then i shift lower, ie. 1st gear and problem solve....
sometimes, driving style for different car is different....

power from 1k-3k rpm dip ? nope, i dont feel it dipping at all... its more like how are u gonna make the most out of the available power....

no offence dude, but seriously i dont give a hoot about dyno charts....
a kancil can output 1000WHP for all i care.....

i still can accelerate albeit slower at 5th gear @ 50 km/h

with 4 person in the car.....

maybe your gen2 ECU kot ?

what to do, some ppl think that all cars are built alike...

Maybe cuz they're nt Proton? lol.

I rly want to test drive Neo when I get the chance. It was said that they change gear ratio n all, so just wanna compare what's rly that change has effect on the car. Besides, Neo looks quite attractive n European-ish, n I liked sitting inside it. The seats are comfortable n hugging, well, it's a bucket seat after all. And since I'm just 165cm, I hv no problem wit it being low, lol.

actually its semi bucket, since i own one, but im driving auto, so dont hate me

campro engine was really unreliable back to gen2 first batch, my cousins car went up in smokes, faulty spark plugs, thank god under-warranty, too bad cant get compensation, only replacement for a new engine, sold the car instantly, got the new hilux

worried about the same problem, when my dad wanted to buy me a neo, well i guess its done the beta stage and the engine is cool

Compare to the old Proton's 1.6 engine, Campro engine a bit sluggish at low rpm. Campro engine kick at 4000rpm. Thats why we hear ppl can do 200km/h using gen2..(campro engine). Plus, fc gonna be a bit higher than before. Because the old 1.6 engine, torque kick at 3000rpm..run smoothly at low rpm.

campro engine is a total suck...now im learning about internal combustion engine...my lecture told me that this engine is suck big time....this engine never pass the relability test....but because of politics..this engine stilll intstall in gen2 and now waja...they install it in waja because..proton has produce this campro engine more that the demand....but the market for gen2 not that good..so as a result they install it on waja...juz to clear their stock...stupid politics..

engine performance is differ from engine to engine...even if ur engine is no 1 in production and u got 160 bhp and that doesnt mean the no 2 engine will also get the same power like yours...it will differ...higher or lower...unless u buy a ferrari or a lambo which is each engine is built by hand ,tuning and dyno till it is proven to chuck out the listed bhp and torque...

well , gen2 is just 1 year old .
with modified filter system . KnN . still feel the dip .
actually just get the fact right , you can just used to the underpowered at low rpm , eventually if u have driven a kancil for 3 years ,suddenly change to satria 1.3 , you still feel the power increase alot .
if u use satria 1.3 for 3 years , then sit in kancil , first month you will feel the engine is actually struggling . in long term , you will just get used to it .

i wonder why , journalist all said the campro is sluggish at low-rpm , UK-journalist also say it is slow at low-rpm , local reporter in the-star also said that the engine is tuned for low FC at low rpm that is why it is underpowered , EVEN PROTON ENGINEER TOLD MY BROTHER(his friend is in proton) THAT IT HAS HIGH-END POWER BAND rather than LOW END power just becasue they are making it's characteristic to be sporty , and one of the problem which leads to the LOW END power is actually the manifold of the air intake design .
but u still denying the fact that it is powerful at low-rpm .

no body wins at this level , no body deserve a price . but the fact is just campro is not build for low-end torque.


this is a good evidence which shows that it is sluggish at lower rpm , due to it's torque only comes out at slightly higher band .
one of the reason they engineered this way is for the speeding pleasure , that is why campro engine only shines when u are travelling on highway .
and i also wonder how can u feel no dipping at all when the chart already told us that the power at 2500-3000rpm will dip down when the waja 4G18's is goign up ? "its more like how are u gonna make the most out of the available power.... ." quote redefined .

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Added on March 30, 2007, 1:38 amdo you mind to tell which uni u are from?
well , my brother's frined is working in proton . she is not a bias person . well , the fact is she knwos proton quality sucks , ... but the engine and the chassis has been given a very important task , that is actually what tengku mahaleel wanted the car ,a good driver car . lots of RnD is about the chassis and the engine .
and the campro engine is actually beyond what is required. all the blocks are casted from different place. the engine block is engineered in US , material . and the engine block is manufactured from ..europe or australia forgotten already .
proton is just engineering the engine to what they needed and also do some studies on it .
don't get me wrong that campro is so so reliable . but in fact , campro is just not a cincai job in proton .

unless the lectuere knows the envirnoment inside. but yes , politicial influence is very terrible at proton .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Mar 30 2007, 01:38 AM

good info there......
i own a 2 litre car before shifting to this campro engine....

to tell u frankly, i am not a car junkie and such....

and to tell u frankly again, the sub 3k rpm between my previous civic and this neo is not much of a difference...... of course the civic pack more punch but that is because the displacement is higher

yes, chart will show the lack of low end power, but in daily usage..... does it really matter ?

the bolded part <--- u want to rephrase it ar ?


i am looking at a daily usage point of view tho, just to let u know...

still looking fwd to drive any campro engine proton.

this argument still continue??? my god...

go to the showroom...

its not arguement.....

its fact exchanging....

which i think our bro bridgestone is doing a good job...

Aiya you shift to 1st gear your engine rev faster and then gearing is lower of course got power la. duh. It's the same for any car.

But Campro doesn't have low end power is true. Even 1.5 vvti vios has better low end torque than campro.

What kinda daily usage? I know ur constantly on the highway and all,but some ppl's "daily usage" mostly constitutes slow city driving

understand the statement

**adjustment in driving style**
get the hint ?


i am stuck in the stupid damansara jam all the time la....

Vios is light, plus having VVT-I technology...and its low end torque even beats my 92p

haha fatt kor oso come adi lolz...hehe i oso blur blur read till 20+ pages gila haha still hot topic lolz

well , it is not arguement .
because i am not a proton supporter nor basher . i am just in the middle . thats why it is not a an arguement .

unless u know hwo to shift well , always keep your rpm above 3000rpm. then the car will not underpowered .

or else , town driving where the power required is 1500-2500rpm . really susah for gen2 .

btw , i mean underpowered for Auto Campro . Manual campro , wont feel the lagg of power .

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Added on March 30, 2007, 9:34 pma good engine is like a good road , no pot holes or whatever .
a underpowered engine is a road with speed humps ...
you can opt not to bother the speed humps , and it wont function as a speed hump already ..
same like you can just avoid the low-end powerless by using higher rpm .

but the fact remains that , the road is still a road with the speed humps . where the campro is still an underpowered low-end rpm engine .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Mar 30 2007, 09:34 PM

mine is a manual 1.6

dude u going for the TT tomorrow ?
drive your gen2 there la......

i used to drive a 2.0 old saloon. when i switched to a proton waja campro. i was a bit disappointed when most forumers here bashed the lousy campro on low torque. indeed, with a auto transmission, its hard to feel the engine perform.

*facts*
the car has a terrible reaction on situations when you're on a almost standstil condition to instantaneous acceleration. the transmission and the engine would take a long time to reshift down or increase its power when you needed most. thus i was very disappointed on driving the car.
i realized the engine can kick in beyond 2.8k rpm but most of the time it just upshift before your needle reaches 3k.

*facts*
one day, i accidentally push the car to its limit. I was waiting on a traffic light with an annoying bmw beemer kept flashing because of my slow driving. the traffic was clear up ahead with straight roads. once green, i floored the pedal e.g pedal to the metal. it was the max. the engine roared and i can see the needle shoot faster than any previous car i've owned. the RPM was so fast that the transmission shifted up around 6k. i was smoking the beamer behind till we reach the toll. after the incident, my perspective on the engine changed. yeah, it is terrible on low torque. but hey, its just to make sure you dun really speed fast on city driving. engine wise is smooth at all time. even when its reving less than 3k. noise wise is quiet, almost a quiet as a v6 engine.

conclusion, i can live with the engine. as on highway drives, the engine shines.