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post Sep 20 2013, 01:05 PM

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For a noob that never owns a 41mp is call talk kok.

Its call crop not zoom. Ppl been doing it since nokia 808 pureview.there pros and cons. Minor hand shake and lighting conditions will effect the image quality.

Even u have OIS and you might have shakey hands it will still be blur.

Dslr user just use a 200mm to 300mm zoom then can high shutter the image be omfg.


For a person that never use 41mp will never understand ois helps to stablize only not 100% no shake

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post Sep 20 2013, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(s7ran9er @ Sep 20 2013, 12:01 PM)
@Weirdguy, 920 is a very capable shooter itself if:

+ On a budget
+ Likely to change phone every year

Get 1020 if,

+ Taking really decent photos is your priority.
+ Decides to replace PnS/Mirrorless/DSLR with a one hand operated camera.
+ Always have to help wife carry shopping bags during travel.  whistling.gif
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Thanks for your kind effort in putting the above biggrin.gif

After Amber Update, I fell even more in love with L920.
I believe it perform better in terms of colour, compare with L925.
I couldn't remember where I read that review.

I always love the design of L920, but I seriously seriously hope there is someone in Malaysia can make it Matt like L1020.

Why L920?
Yes, I'm on budget.
I do not wish to change every year. Waste of hard-earned money and savings. But I love the Matt of L1020. If I could apply that to my L920, I think I won't be buying another phone for another 2 years (maximum).

Why L1020?
Yes, I love beautiful photos.
No, I do not have PnS, DSLR or other Camera
Yes, I always the one and happy to carry bag when travel with my wife.

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post Sep 20 2013, 01:28 PM

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At the moment, no smartphones in the market, Pureview 808 or Lumia 1020 can match the quality of DSLR or even good quality compact like Sony RX100. The difference is substantial if you do serious comparison. But if your goal is to improve the quality of your daily casual shots compared to using say iPhone or Galaxy, 1020 is unbeatable.
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QUOTE(sunyen @ Sep 20 2013, 01:28 PM)
But if your goal is to  improve the quality of your daily casual shots compared to using say iPhone or Galaxy, 1020 is unbeatable.
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That's my goal.
My definition: Photos are references to our memory as well, a way to refresh our memory of the events.
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QUOTE(xSean @ Sep 20 2013, 01:02 PM)
the good thing about 1020, i pretend take pic of my frens but actually take the chick pic sitting far opposite...then can zoom until just make pic of that chick... biggrin.gif
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Haven't thought of that before. Just hope you didn't tap to focus your friends and create bokeh effect though
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!

i can't stop laughing for the art of "IGNORING".

i repeat. IGNORING lololol....
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post Sep 20 2013, 02:03 PM

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t'rrow, perhaps will go to summit usj..nokia outlet already got item for display, to test, right?
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QUOTE(ikram_p @ Sep 20 2013, 02:03 PM)
t'rrow, perhaps will go to summit usj..nokia outlet already got item for display, to test, right?
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Don't think it's out for testing yet. But.. if it is, testing now would be good, since you cannot do an impulse buy yet tongue.gif
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QUOTE(weirdguy @ Sep 20 2013, 01:14 PM)
Thanks for your kind effort in putting the above  biggrin.gif

After Amber Update, I fell even more in love with L920.
I believe it perform better in terms of colour, compare with L925.
I couldn't remember where I read that review.

I always love the design of L920, but I seriously seriously hope there is someone in Malaysia can make it Matt like L1020.

Why L920?
Yes, I'm on budget.
I do not wish to change every year. Waste of hard-earned money and savings. But I love the Matt of L1020. If I could apply that to my L920, I think I won't be buying another phone for another 2 years (maximum).

Why L1020?
Yes, I love beautiful photos.
No, I do not have PnS, DSLR or other Camera
Yes, I always the one and happy to carry bag when travel with my wife.

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I too thought of having a matte l920 red but I can adapt, so far finger prints aren't much of a problem since I have a pouch to clean it.

That aside, you can always put on a case if you like.
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post Sep 20 2013, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(xSean @ Sep 20 2013, 10:58 AM)
one things, smartphone market different from pc market....if you use android now, does not mean u will use forever and most users will change phone within 1-2 years some even fast....

regarding investment of apps/games, i heard ios7 some developer will charge again the app u have brought for ios7....mean the app u bought in ios6 and below cannot use in ios7, u need to buy again for the app which newer version for ios7....

is logic to do that....developers also need to makan and support u, cannot be u buy one app for rm3 support u forever. if they don't update, another competitor will makan their customer...if keep update and support, how to earn for living...

for games lagi fast...once u brought it and play for sometimes, sure u will never play it again...do u still play the games in pc that released 2002/2003?
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Yes for games, those old game you most likely won't play again, but some games you can keep playing. I'm not talking about action/adventure game, I'm talking about games like words, puzzles, etc. It's more likely a person may still play it, when switch platform, all these purchases, they need to re-purchase on the new platform.

Apps and Widgets/Launcher (on Androids) are more value and it maybe costly purchase. All gone.

Anyway, the key point here is, for Nokia-Microsoft to understand the IMPORTANCE to GRAB the customer before they 'switch' to another.
When they LOST the customer, it's HARDER to get them back.
You have to think not as a customer, but as a company which needs to capture back the market and get back into the game. As you said, once a customer change phone, it can be years before they change again, by the time they change, it's MORE challenging to make people 'switch' that time compare to the time when they are deciding to switch from an obsolete/old platform (e.g. Symbian --> other platform).

Nokia was once World No. 1. How did Samseng rise suddenly and in such short time? Did they come up with something good? Where did the customers come from suddenly and so many?
Well, most of them are from Nokia, Symbian users. Those Nokia Symbian users, most of them already decided to SWITCH, this is the important time for Nokia to MAINTAIN their customers by offering a good alternative, but they failed to do so. Now the customers left and have 'bad' impression with Nokia, it's harder for them to go back to Nokia.

Anyway, this is going off topic, lolx.
Just my personal opinion that this Lumia 1020 spiked MANY interest from others, but they should've priced it competitively to quickly capture the market.
E.g. If people go for Z1, especially those people 'switch' from older/obsolete devices (e.g. Symbian), this is the key time to capture these customers because many customers, once they switch new platform, they might stay there.
And more importantly, to ensure PureView predecessor, the Nokia 808 PureView customers, to STAY with Nokia. These are Symbian users, that maybe looking for replacement for their 808 PureView. Will Nokia loose MORE of their Customers?


QUOTE(David900924 @ Sep 20 2013, 12:07 PM)
tongue.gif Hi Sean, i forget to tell u, I love taking photo.. the only drawback of lumia camera function is the aperture setting, it is fixed, compare to galaxy s4 zoom.

I not sure if 925 have the full Manual camera setting like 1020, if it does, then i need think twice whether i need spend addtional RM1,000 for the 41mp and I not sure if the quality is better than my canon 550D dslr..
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If you actually compare in details, no match/comparison at all with DSLR.
But it's a phone with great camera and always with you, and the lossless zoom or >30MP file is really something.
BUT, just to highlight, from 808 PureView experience usage compared with other Smartphone camera, it's not ALL GOOD, there're some drawback/weakness...

Firstly, bigger sensor also means more shallow DOF, and you can get more errors of out-of-focus shots especially for close-ups. Thought this is not actually a weakness more of user's understanding.
For weakness, it's more on the usage, comparing 808 PureView with other samrtphone camera, it's slower, auto-focus problems (hard to lock on) and seems to prefer slow shutter speed (auto mode users take note) which is a problem when taking moving subjects.





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QUOTE(xSean @ Sep 20 2013, 01:02 PM)
the good thing about 1020, i pretend take pic of my frens but actually take the chick pic sitting far opposite...then can zoom until just make pic of that chick... biggrin.gif
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Yes, if you own the 808 and have tried the 38MP file, it's just amazing.
While the pixel oversampling, when using PureView 3MP mode, you can zoom until the maximum and still get very clear details, comparing with other smartphone when zoom, it's like low resolution CCTV footage.

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QUOTE(xSean @ Sep 20 2013, 01:02 PM)
the good thing about 1020, i pretend take pic of my frens but actually take the chick pic sitting far opposite...then can zoom until just make pic of that chick... biggrin.gif
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Yeah... I wonder if 1020 can do better.

On 808, really need good lighting then only can capture sharp enough after zoom. Tried capture someone from 50m away medium lit indoor using 808, the result is so so only. Can recognize the person but no details at all. Tried again with someone from 10m away, and seem much better.

Capturing people details is harder than say a car lor...
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QUOTE(s7ran9er @ Sep 20 2013, 02:29 PM)
I too thought of having a matte l920 red but I can adapt, so far finger prints aren't much of a problem since I have a pouch to clean it.

That aside, you can always put on a case if you like.
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Hehehe. You got me there.
I will do some research on that tonight, before I finalize my decision.

Between, how you plan to have Matt L920 Red?
All L920 Color is glossy, right?
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Sep 20 2013, 02:46 PM)
Yes for games, those old game you most likely won't play again, but some games you can keep playing. I'm not talking about action/adventure game, I'm talking about games like words, puzzles, etc. It's more likely a person may still play it, when switch platform, all these purchases, they need to re-purchase on the new platform.

Apps and Widgets/Launcher (on Androids) are more value and it maybe costly purchase. All gone.

Anyway, the key point here is, for Nokia-Microsoft to understand the IMPORTANCE to GRAB the customer before they 'switch' to another.
When they LOST the customer, it's HARDER to get them back.
You have to think not as a customer, but as a company which needs to capture back the market and get back into the game. As you said, once a customer change phone, it can be years before they change again, by the time they change, it's MORE challenging to make people 'switch' that time compare to the time when they are deciding to switch from an obsolete/old platform (e.g. Symbian --> other platform).

Nokia was once World No. 1. How did Samseng rise suddenly and in such short time? Did they come up with something good? Where did the customers come from suddenly and so many?
Well, most of them are from Nokia, Symbian users. Those Nokia Symbian users, most of them already decided to SWITCH, this is the important time for Nokia to MAINTAIN their customers by offering a good alternative, but they failed to do so. Now the customers left and have 'bad' impression with Nokia, it's harder for them to go back to Nokia.

Anyway, this is going off topic, lolx.
Just my personal opinion that this Lumia 1020 spiked MANY interest from others, but they should've priced it competitively to quickly capture the market.
E.g. If people go for Z1, especially those people 'switch' from older/obsolete devices (e.g. Symbian), this is the key time to capture these customers because many customers, once they switch new platform, they might stay there.
And more importantly, to ensure PureView predecessor, the Nokia 808 PureView customers, to STAY with Nokia. These are Symbian users, that maybe looking for replacement for their 808 PureView. Will Nokia loose MORE of their Customers?
If you actually compare in details, no match/comparison at all with DSLR.
But it's a phone with great camera and always with you, and the lossless zoom or >30MP file is really something.
BUT, just to highlight, from 808 PureView experience usage compared with other Smartphone camera, it's not ALL GOOD, there're some drawback/weakness...

Firstly, bigger sensor also means more shallow DOF, and you can get more errors of out-of-focus shots especially for close-ups. Thought this is not actually a weakness more of user's understanding.
For weakness, it's more on the usage, comparing 808 PureView with other samrtphone camera, it's slower, auto-focus problems (hard to lock on) and seems to prefer slow shutter speed (auto mode users take note) which is a problem when taking moving subjects.
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Will find out whether Micr@s@ft willing to materialise it or not blush.gif
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QUOTE(weirdguy @ Sep 20 2013, 02:59 PM)
Hehehe. You got me there.
I will do some research on that tonight, before I finalize my decision.

Between, how you plan to have Matt L920 Red?
All L920 Color is glossy, right?
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Indeed the yellow and red are glossy.

Here's a link to how to solve the matte problem, this. laugh.gif
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2897493

Alternatively you can check out other casings, they're thin:
http://www.minimallyminimal.com/blog/nokia...extended-review
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For me rm2499 is ridiculously expensive...i might even switch to note 3..
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 20 2013, 01:05 PM)
For a person that never use 41mp will never understand ois helps to stablize only not 100% no shake
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my only complaint on my 808.. cry.gif
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QUOTE(yed @ Sep 20 2013, 03:59 PM)
For me rm2499 is ridiculously expensive...i might even switch to note 3..
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Yeah bro, go ahead and let us know your review on the Note 3.
After all, L1020 is one piece of overpriced crap using last gen processors with fake zoom that still dare to price at RM 2499.00 bundled with only RM 299.00 worth of power case only.
And Note 3 priced at ONLY RM 2399.00 have super awesome bundling with Galaxy Gear that cost RM 999 so that makes Note 3 only RM 1400.00.
Have fun with it I hope smile.gif

Well, I'm being sarcastic. LOL..

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QUOTE(arbelnox @ Sep 20 2013, 04:32 PM)
Yeah bro, go ahead and let us know your review on the Note 3.
After all, L1020 is one piece of overpriced crap using  last gen processors with fake zoom that still dare to price at RM 2499.00 bundled with only RM 299.00 worth of power case only.
And Note 3 priced at ONLY RM 2399.00 have super awesome bundling with Galaxy Gear that cost RM 999 so that makes Note 3 only RM 1400.00.
Have fun with it I hope smile.gif

Well, I'm being sarcastic. LOL..
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Galaxy Gear can tahan one day usage? Last time our watch no need to charge. shakehead.gif
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/kolos and thanks for participating.

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