But the main selling and strength is the camera... It's the actual PureView phase.
The Phase 1 PureView, it's something that no other smartphone can offer, not even those compact digital camera. Coupled with OIS, it'll be even better. OIS technology, others are already offer such technology, but PureView Phase 1, giving 38MP output and pixel oversampling for lossless zoom, it's something that no other able to offer.

If you own the 808 and have tried the 38MP file, it's just amazing.
While the pixel oversampling, when using PureView 3MP mode, you can zoom until the maximum and still get very clear details, comparing with other smartphone when zoom, it's like low resolution CCTV footage.







This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 10 2013, 02:53 PM

The 41MP is UNIQUE. Yes, you dont' really need it, but when you have it, you may appreciate it.
For those get 808, can you find any replacement for it? You can get any smartphone that is capable to do this, moreover with such sensor size, and rich recording.

Sorry, but as current other Lumias, it's not really unique like the 808 PureView. Other manufacturer's already offering similar OIS, and even OIS is not really a necessity, but nice to have; Having used Lumia's and Samseng S3, there's nothing really stand-out, unllike 808, where you will want to utilize/enjoy the 34MP or 38MP image and no other smartphones can.

The current Lumia's PureView is just temporary to "maintain" the market demand for a PureView WP since they can't offer a proper 808 PureView replacement.
In my POV, a proper phase II, should incorporate Phase 1 technology + Phase 2 technology, which means PureView oversampling + PureView OIS, but the current Lumia PureView is missing Phase 1. They cannot produce such device, but they have to "maintain" the market, so they launch the OIS version to capture/grab the market first. To me, it's making use of the PureView name, but then it's business after all, they need to "maintain" their customers instead of letting them wait/switch.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 12 2013, 12:01 PM

Win8 version for Nokia? It's Windows Phone generally.

Windows Phone is not similar with PC version, not even Tablet version. It's basically a very much simplified OS for phone. Think of Apple iOS for iPod/iPhone, which is not similar to their Mac OS. Basically MS just pretty much followed what Apple did.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 22 2013, 04:07 PM

Give and Take; Seeing the sample and videos they capture the presentation sample on GsmArena blog, it's very good already.
It's capable of producing good quality 38MP file plus PureView mode which provide true losses zoom and there is OIS.
And finally, it's running WP8 (albeit I'm not a fan of WP), but comparing with dated Symbian, at least you have more modern apps, features, etc.
In terms of Camera and the OS, there is give and take for both.

For me, I would say it's worth to upgrade from 808PV, to get a more useful smartphone with great camera. Just hoping the price isn't too steep.

Indeed. Before WP8, it's worst. I really cannot believe it's an OS from Microsoft.

Seriously, I have no idea what's wrong with MS for Windows Phone.
Back then, Windows Mobile were not like that.
This current Windows Phone concept is very Apple-ish.

As a software developer, we should provide more options and choices to the users. Not all users need or use, but it doesn't mean it's not useful for "everyone". There's always choice or options to be control through settings.
How does one like their digital camera with no Manual Modes, because 'not many people use them'. Since most people use Auto, then just offer Auto modes?

Windows Phone, its not what MS used to be. Since when MS restrict file sending via Bluetooth (albeit only specific file types...). Thankfully this feature is available in WP8 AFTER SO LONG....

To make an OS simple and lightweight, it doesn't mean it cannot be flexible and customizable for advance users. It all controllable through options/settings. Since when MS become so... less smart? Wonder is it due to freshies, too big company/team, not the right person doing to right job, etc.
Many things are pretty straightfoward and simple, but it's just very weird and wonder whether they did actually think or work on it. I can only say, in a BIG company, a simple thing can become complicated, but all it takes is to have the right person or the management to come down to the field instead of just looking at statistics and reports.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 9 2013, 11:51 AM

It reminds me of those reasons (or excuses) Apple gives for their iOS which lack of many features.

Anyway, it's moving forward... at least... albeit... very slow (which actually can be very fast).


Seriously, I can't believe MS does this.

Personally, I don't think he's harsh. Fact is, the truth itself is harsh.
If we want to improve and move forward, we need to highlight and recognize the weakness and limitation, emphasize how serious it is. If most people just, "it's ok la, it's not important", or "I can still live with it", etc. then... why they want to implement it?

When MS refresh Windows Mobile OS, I was really looking forward to see something "amazing" from them. Then came Windows Phone which is pretty much like an Apple introduced Product, restricting this and that, missing many "common" features. My first impression is... What HAPPENED to Microsoft?

Nonetheless, their deep Social Networks Integration is really good and there're quite a lot of good things they've done, but as others pointed out, some features, especially the "common" ones they didn't include, is simply... I don't know what to say... WP7 really lacks a lot of things, it's like they have totally NO experience in mobile OS, but actually MS have experience with Windows Mobile OS.
Moreover, in WP7, the contacts have limitation and looking at the restrictions, it seems like a database design issue; how could this be? Microsoft? A company which provides Microsoft Access and SQL Server? A company which provides database design courses?

Seriously, let's calm down and think for a moment.... if Windows Phone provides those "common" functions/features. They could've gain better FIRST impression (FIRST Impression is important) and done MUCH better.
WP7
Bluetooth file sending, that's just a simple features.
External Storage, Mass-Storage, another simple and basic feature for 'smartphones'
Relies on Zune....
But somehow they follow Apple's footsteps. Did you see that? iOS/iPhone was practically an iPod Touch with Phone Function and relies on iTunes.

Anyway, today's WP8 is MUCH better compared to WP7, but just saying, they could've avoided many of the issue earlier. Many times, it's the ignorance of user's request, just do a search for Bluetooth File Sending, there's a request filed officially and how long it takes for them to actually recognize it.

Any bundle or free gift that comes with L1020?

What about free gift? If it's the Purity Headset, then it'll be worth.

Any hints or tips on what will be the gifts?

Selling higher price is not bringing Nokia (or Microsoft) back into the game.

Anyway, the point here is, the more people willing to pay higher price, the price will be higher.
Just imagine if someone is doing a survey to see how many people willing to pay RM2399 or higher. If their survey found that there is enough people 'willing' to fork out so much, why should they lower the price?
Think for a moment.

Besides, the price could very much likely drop more if it's priced higher, so those early adopters may suffer the bigger loss and hurt when the price drops. Is it worth so much?
808 PureView didn't cost "that" much.

Just saying. If they can price it at RM1899, but many people said they willing to pay RM2399. Just imagine, should they price it RM1899?

Anyway, eventually it will drop price, just how much. My point here is, why see people spend so much then after a short while, the price drops a lot?

Of course, you can disagree with me. I'm just sharing my point of view, if people are doing survey how much they want to price "something", should the customer said, I willing to pay MORE or hope they can price it "competitively" and also more "reasonable", it's not really high end on the specs, the camera is the main thing, but the Nokia 808 PureView is only selling at RM1899.

Everyone has their own "price" they willing to pay, some may EVEN willing to pay RM2500, but why not cheaper if can? Or you prefer them to price it higher? Remember, the people doing survey to price the product is the key point here.
After the price is announced, it's up to each person decision how much they ACTUALLY willing to pay.
Some people may say, I willing to buy if the price is RM2299, but when actual launch, the person may not willing to pay for it and wait for price drop.
You may also notice, some say RM2299, then some say RM2199. Technically, it's RM100 difference. If really RM2299, will the person who said RM2199 won't buy? Or let's say, RM2099, the person target RM2K or below, so RM2099, will buy or not?

The price already rumored to be RM2XXX, so, how much they willing to price it, the people in forums/online may have "affect" on their decision how they are going to price it. Do you want them to price it higher or lower? It's up to you.

Any idea if the free camera grip limited? Or will be long term?
Also, any idea if the colors will be matching with the phone?

This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 19 2013, 10:58 AM

Yes, agree. If the price is OK for the person, then grab it.

But now the price is not confirm or announce, I'm just reminding/hinting that we should not try to mention we willing to pay MORE and MORE.
You check back previous post, from initial below RM2K, become RM2499, lol. If more people can vote/show they wish for lower price, the people at Nokia may have to think/consider of lowering the price of bundle something better. The people doing survey can show the management on the customer's feedback and concern *ahem* *ahem*

Anyway, after the price is announce, that's a different story.

You kena JACKPOT
Nokia should give you 1 unit free!!! hahahaha

808 also lag when taking full res mode, about 1s++
Still acceptable, but many normal users may not able to accept or understand the reason.

Ha, good one

For this 1020, I personally think they're taking chances for it's camera capability, to sell it higher price than usual.

Sure will have people will buy even it's priced so high.
Just wonder how much will it drop later and how fast...

But it's very steeply priced this time. You can't really use Niche Product, 808 PureView is also same, but it's priced at RM1899. Besides, if Nokia-Microsoft is looking to make a different in the market, they should price it right to grab more customers. Now there is much less people buying.
Imagine if the price really drop in very short time and drops a lot, what will the customers who bought it at launch price feel? I believe L800 and L920 early adopters may know the feeling?

It's a never ending cycle, but to wait for another PureView which replaces L1020 "category", may take another year? So, it won't hurt to wait 2-3 months, Christmas maybe or New Year, etc.
It's not a MUST for everyone to get it to become the 1st batch owner.

Besides, now I'm wondering how much will the AP set priced if the authorised set was priced so high. Previously there is one owner who bought online from oversea? Does it cost over RM2.4K?