Hi there,

Anyone heard or tried the milkshake of herbalife? i heard its for slimming purposes.. how's it? any side effects?

This post has been edited by Callista: Apr 20 2006, 05:59 PM

All I know is...its quite pricy...if im not mistaken..it cost about RM300++ for 2 weeks time only...

At 1st thought of try it out..but...gee...no way to spend 300++ for 2 weeks n then another 2 weeks 300++ again...I will die b4 I get to slim down

Annoying ppl these Herbalifers. Keep handing out leaflets at the LRT and blocking the way only.

not just at lrt stations la... my office is very near to their office too...

everytime pass by.. sure got ppl bull u with those skim cepat kaya stuff..

its at the first building towards changkat raja chulan...

And nowadays they use mat salleh lengchai lenglui to show they are konon-nya "international" company. My @ss!!

it a bio-medical beauty......i see many pretty auntie join the herbalife when the opening ceremony for first malaysia branch on plaza see hoy chan.......i'm doing the sound system for them.

no wonder the sound system so "char".......

jz kidding....

my opis is somewhere there...

my opis oso very near their opis..

roxy, which building u in?

my fren wants to try out the milkshake.. cos she's getting married soon.. so she wanna slim down to look good during photo taking.. so she wanna try out herbalife.. not sure whether it works onot.. but i malas go in ask for her.. sure they'll tarik u and wont let go of u one.. ( a bit kua cheong pulak )

loose weight? let me give my idea. cheap and effective!.
just tell ur friend to eat 'soo hoon'..u can find it every where. can boil with water. then add some sesame oil, sauce and boiled vege. very filling u know?eheh....if still hungry, grab some chewy bar such as natural valley. high protein. then if still hungry, drink the milk shake from Shaklee. it's not expensive like herbalife i think.

i have tried the above n really effective. loose 2kg within a week. but ah..really need to stay away from oily food, junk food, high carbohydrate food, fattening food, no soft drink, just tea and plain water. abit suffering coz i like to eat!!...okie. hope things work on her. Congrates to her ya.

How come my cousin can offer me at only RM334.10 for 1 month supply?? Well, is RM334.10 still pricey? 1 meal only RM5. Normal price you spent on a meal, no need to spend more, just replace the money you spent on food with the shake and you will be able to lose weight + gain health. Isnt it good?

Yes, there is side effects taking Herbalife product. The side effects is you have to buy new clothes!!! I tried it, already. In a month, my body size is just like 3 years ago, meaning to say that thinner now. My frens and colls all around me are amazed with the effects. Hehe.

Uhh.... you don't happen to be working for herbalife?

i am just a consumer. i tried it and it really works. so, just share with anyone tat got doubts abt it lor.

Post a picture of yourself before the Herbalife and after taking Herbalife.
I mean, as a lady, you're bound to have quite a number of pictures of yourself.

Remove your face if you're shy, and just show us your figure before.
Then take another photo of your current shape. This should justify your statement.

omg.. tat day got 1 lengcai ang mo from sweden oso intro herbalife to us.. i saw his badge very funny... "wanna lose weight? ask me how!"

hey i wanna lose 10kg oso but dowan spend $... i m too tired to use my exercise machine "AB king Pro"

Picture, havent take yet, coz i only take Herbalife for 1 month. Not yet reached my ideal weight yet. My program is 3 months program. But I already see my results even it's just 1 month. People all around me already see my results too. How about giving you my colls phone number, you can call them and ask them?

But if u r not satisfied with the prod, you can always return to herbalife, they will fully refund to you.

So you do work with them.

well, there is no point for me to tell lie. just take a very basic eg, u watched a very nice movie, and u shared it with ur frens, will ur frens asked u..r u sure or not? or r u working wit the director/producer of the movie?

I quoted the part How about giving you my colls phone number, you can call them and ask them?

I believe I have the right to presume, COLL=colleague [Define=a person somebody works with] Following the lead of the definition, then you'd have to work with this person to call him/her your colleague. Hence, you work with this company.
Or are you plainly saying, your colleague uses this product and you want me to call your colleague to confirm it?

Or do you mean COLL as in college [Define=Institution of higher education]?
For if it IS coll=college then why would you want to give me the number of your college? It'd prove of no beneficial purposes to me whatsoever.
I wouldn't be able to verify the facts with your college, unless it's involved in the research of the product.

I say, even though it's not the end of the 3 month stint, you can still post your body picture to compare to the times before using it.
I quote you ;

So consider you think you're thinner compared to how you were a month ago, I believe this pleads a photo proof.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: May 7 2006, 10:30 AM

Coll = Colleauges. I am working in a software company. None of them uses this product.

Okie..proof...

Wouldn't multivitamins be cheaper ? heck, not eating every day would be cheaper still.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/print_ve...62183414B7F0000

If you eat every other day, you'd still be able to survive. Your body will burn fat before it starves. So if you're fat, just don't eat every day. Eat maybe every other day, you'll be slimmer soon enough. And you'll save money too.

This post has been edited by wodenus: May 7 2006, 03:06 PM

You're goin to hate me for saying this, but, add a lil workout to it.

Jog 30 minutes , start with a brisk walk, then progress to a jog, and end with a high intensity 30 second sprint with all your might to the end of the road.

Skipping's good too.

Add some light weightlifting and squatting. (Squats are monsters!!!!!!!!!)
You can lose weight, but doing these will help you look leaner, and more vuloptuous.

Yes, agree..workout is good. but put ur in the shoe for those really over fat people. would they be still so hardworking to do workout? when they are fat, they already have difficulty in moving around..especially both the thighs are rubbing against each other when walking...

yes, agree. don't eat also can survive. but our main goal is to lose weight in a safe and effective ways. by straving is not a good way, cause will feel tired and no energy...yes, there is also other alternative of losing weight, just that with the shake to replace ur meal is a convenient and low calorie meal. and of course, people who wanted to lose weight, can choose anyway that they like or free, but will they see the effects in long run? will they be healthy after the successful dieting? if so, why so many ppl still complaint that they failed to diet? why? they will tell u, i starve, but why i am still so fat? or i didnt eat carbo, why still so fat? or i do aerobic everyday, why i stop aerobic, i become double size?

Okay, this is absolubte crap.

I was overweight at once when I was 14. I think I had about 18% bodyfat, and I was a guy for pete's sakes. I wasn't heavy, but I had flab and fats on excess. I had a belly. I know the thigh problem , trust me.
I took the first step, went swimming for it wasnt' that difficult and it was fun. Then I went for jogging and skipping and watched my diet. I cut off rice in my diet and did push-ups and sit-ups daily. Did taekwondo and softball.

It toughened me up and cut my fat down to 13% when I was 15. I remember the new year that my aunt from australia complimented me on losing a heck load of weight.

It didn't stop there, and now I stand at about 11% bodyfat and going heavier on muscle mass.

It's a mental lie to say you cannot workout.
Software developers like my cousin who sits in the PC for hours and hours do workout through the day.

When sitting, he does stomach vacums. When goin to work, he walks a little longer. He takes the stairs. He has small dumbells at his workplace to lift when he's having a short break. He drinks water instead of coke, he takes hard boiled eggs for protein instead of bread. He eats veggie instead of pork at the mixed rice stall. Before sleep, he does yoga to relax, or he does push-ups. 10 minutes, push-ups, won't tire you out too much if you have the proper discipline. He does meditation.
He doesn't look too muscular, but he's got proper definition and right shape.

This is a healthy lifestyle, for working people.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: May 8 2006, 12:18 AM

is this ur pic ma?
i really admire ur courage for putting up ur pics...

currently...i'm oso consuming the product now and hopefully can c some result soon... hehe...

anyway ganbate to all herbalife companions..

i'm using the product the 5th day..did drop more then 1 kg le..if ur fren got interest to kw more..i can share..oso..herbalife is not only for lose weight..cos it can gain weight with the SAME product oso lo..tat's wat i heard from my cousin from Singapore..

If you eat anything which causes a caloric deficit (less than what your body needsto maintain current body mass) OF COURSE you lose weight. If you eat glass noodles like another person suggested for 5 days straight u will also lose weight but glass noodles has almost no nutrients whatsoever.
If u are gonna take milkshake with 150 calories to replace with one meal of course in the end you will lose some weight(most probably water)because your body is taking in less than it needs to maintain your current weight. If milkshake has some protein some vits etc not so bad. But in the end its not a good solution because you would have done nothing to tone your muscles or build more musles mass or your heart health(through aerobic exercise) or increase your metabolic rate which helps regulate your weight gain/loss and keep u in good general health. In summary, supplementary diet milkshakes are not good for your health.

Hmm, are you a doctor? Please don't make any assumptions when you dont understand about Herbalife products. If it cant tone the muscle, ppl slimming down using meal replacement, then i guess there will be a lot a lot of skin dangling around...but how come no leh?? have you tried the product urself and u encounter tat? pls advise.

Do squats, using stairs instead of lift, light weight lifting and be more active really helps... .can see the effect in 1 week just like Pizzaboy said!

lol! I don't need to be a doctor to know this since it's BASIC biology and body/health sciences. Again I don't need to be a doctor to know that replacing meals with whatever diet milkshake is NOT A GOOD IDEA or a long term replacement for healthy living and healthy diet. Granted I have no clue what potentially false claims Herbalife or any other diet supplement company is making.

I do know something about weightloss since I lost 12 kilos 2 years ago at the age of 30 from healthy eating and moderate exercise. The weight loss plateaud after the 7th month so i basically lost 1.5 kilos on average a month. Even then,my diettician said it was already pretty drastic. I have increased muscle mass by 9% so the weight I gained back was partly in new/more muscle formed. That's healthy.Losing water weight is not healthy or rather it's pointless since the moment u backslide you're gonna inflate those fat cells again. Up to you, it's your body, but again, IT AIN"T HEALTHY. Weightloss is nothing in long run, healthy lifestyle is important. In fact, in women, rapid weight loss has been known to deplete bone density.

BTW, if it is at all relevant, 4 out of 5 of my family members are doctors/healthcare professionals so I do know something about healthcare.

Haha! y become fat in the first place??

[quote=LYFfan,May 9 2006, 04:37 PM]
lol! I don't need to be a doctor to know this since it's BASIC biology and body/health sciences. Again I don't need to be a doctor to know that replacing meals with whatever diet milkshake is NOT A GOOD IDEA or a long term replacement for healthy living and healthy diet. Granted I have no clue what potentially false claims Herbalife or any other diet supplement company is making.

I do know something about weightloss since I lost 12 kilos 2 years ago at the age of 30 from healthy eating and moderate exercise. The weight loss plateaud after the 7th month so i basically lost 1.5 kilos on average a month. Even then,my diettician said it was already pretty drastic. I have increased muscle mass by 9% so the weight I gained back was partly in new/more muscle formed. That's healthy.Losing water weight is not healthy or rather it's pointless since the moment u backslide you're gonna inflate those fat cells again. Up to you, it's your body, but again, IT AIN"T HEALTHY. Weightloss is nothing in long run, healthy lifestyle is important. In fact, in women, rapid weight loss has been known to deplete bone density.

BTW, if it is at all relevant, 4 out of 5 of my family members are doctors/healthcare professionals so I do know something about healthcare.

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oh ya..i ever think tat is it safe i took tis way to lose weight?? but i do trust my cousin..and my own eyes lo..cos she lose 10 kg in 3 mths..n totally change a new person since i nvr see her for many years...and last time..she use to be took diabetis n high blood medicine to control her sickness for many many many years..but tat day when she came to KL..she did show me the report..her diabetis n high blood is in normal level le..and oso stop her medicine..i dun know why n wat thing is tat so miracal?i have tyroid n sinus also for many years..i really hope tat..beside then lose weight..i oso can improve my sickness..n get back my health..

I practially slimed down in 3 months by doing exercising and light weightlifting (my own dumbell, don't have access to gym) and replacing the lift with the traditional stairs. Results come pretty fast and I get muscle not just LOSE the fat infact I gained 2kg but overall I look way thinner then I was before.

Blame my gf. Damn good cook man.

Also becoz of my working schedule.Travel, eat in hotel,work thru nite,no sleep come back from work sleep thru weekend. But all that is over,old man already cannot tahan that kinda lifestyle.

Now back to my college days weight with a good healthy way of life. I think i look pretty good for my age *ahem*

wow..good good...when someone becomes thinner/slim down, he/she will automatically looks younger.

I think, it's just a matter of getting your food right, your excercise right and your discipline right. You seriously can't keep givin in to temptation of nice food, and good rest.

The body's a lazy piece of crap....It'd rather "channel surf" than "body surf".
You gotta train it, train it hard (well not so hard) and keep a good healthy diet. Follow the food pyramid.



However, I strongly disagree on carbohydrates (rice) being taken most. I think, fruits and meat should share the largest share of the table, and carbohydrates taking second place.

One thing I'm worried about a bodybuilder's diet, is the fact that bodybuilders, focus a lot on protein.
Protein, and more protein. So, that is rather, scary. Sometimes, I wonder whether bodybuilders get enough of the other important vitamins and nutrients or not.

TAT'S GREAT..how abt ppl in space?can ppl there bring rice ..meat..vegatable..etc..???and how they get enough nutrition what they need everyday? if that's is a product with all the nutrition in 1 bottle..is that great??then we no need to count ..how many vitamin or nutrition we short..or is it too much of oilly food or calories we took per meal..is that good idea??

Our stomachs and the body in general is made to extract nutrients from food sources in a certain way. Technically following your argument, ppl in space can be supplied with enough nutrients to survive. This is however not ideal since humans are not meant to live in zero-g or less g.Some alterations (by evolution or my interference through gene therapy etc) must be made for humans to live long term in space. Same for human intake of food in space. So for now humans have not evolved to survive with eating one pill or drinking some liquids. Nor are there medical therapies that cna change our bodies to accept such forms of nutrients in the long term.

Furthermore, as a lover of food, i feel food and eating is a social,cultural,aesthetic experience. Why lose the smeel,taste,feel,experience of eating what you love by taking a pill or drinking some damn milkshake? Just eat less, eat what is good,less of what is bad,exercise,sleep enough, dont get stressed...simple plan.

did i mention tat if drink tat DAMN milk shake cann't eNjoy any food?

jus asking if there is a product with all nutrition in 1 bottle..IS THAT GOOD IDEA???

who dun know tat..mac or KFc is nice to eat???n coke is nice to drink??but other then FAT n SUGER..what else u can get from there??

oh ya..i ever think tat is it safe i took tis way to lose weight?? but i do trust my cousin..and my own eyes lo..cos she lose 10 kg in 3 mths..n totally change a new person since i nvr see her for many years...and last time..she use to be took diabetis n high blood medicine to control her sickness for many many many years..but tat day when she came to KL..she did show me the report..her diabetis n high blood is in normal level le..and oso stop her medicine..i dun know why n wat thing is tat so miracal?i have tyroid n sinus also for many years..i really hope tat..beside then lose weight..i oso can improve my sickness..n get back my health..


oso..can u explaine this??if u got family member who is doctors..how come other then lose weight..the sickness oso can be improve??is it because of fat ppl easy got that kind of sickness..??or cause of what they eat those food that was unwanted by our body..since kid till now..??oso..did u doctor family advise their patient to lose weight if they are over weight??

re food enjoyment: well technically, if you take the milkshake supplement with a nominal(most are at least 100 calories) caloric value you would've wasted it on something pretty tasteless insterad of using that daily allocation for something much more enjoyable. that's all i'm saying.



I answered that...but i'm guessing that went waaay over your head.



is Mac nice to eat? Yucks. Now,KFC i kinda like but I don't eat it that often coz I do know it isnt something you should indulge in often. I don't take soft drinks but if i do i drink fresh fruit juices or take a beer every so often. But in any case, probably you miss my point that we can have nice things and tasty things which aren't loaded with fats/chemicals or come in the form of a milkshake.

Nuff said. Unless you just wanna rant on...then go ahead...

Umm...I have no idea what you're ranting on about...

This is something that's always used by people who push snake oil medicines. They assume that skeptics have to provide the proof, when THEY're the ones who actually have to provide it. One of the most respected scientists in the world, Carl Sagan, said it this way:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Therefore, if you claim Herbalife tones muscles, where's the proof? Submit a sample to a respected, independent body (NOT one sponsored by Herbalife) for testing and show us the results. Simple as that.

Muscle tone and weight loss are two entirely different things. Ask ANY doctor (respectable ones) in the world and he'll tell you NO product helps you tone muscles besides exercise. Of course you won't see loose skin - the human body is very dynamic, and the fluid you lose through Herbalife is lost gradually. Compare to a person who does liposuction and you'll see A LOT of skin.

So please, do a little scientific research before you push a product.

i just hope you die.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: May 10 2006, 03:29 PM

[quote=Lord_Ashe,May 10 2006, 02:22 PM]
This is something that's always used by people who push snake oil medicines. They assume that skeptics have to provide the proof, when THEY're the ones who actually have to provide it. One of the most respected scientists in the world, Carl Sagan, said it this way:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Therefore, if you claim Herbalife tones muscles, where's the proof? Submit a sample to a respected, independent body (NOT one sponsored by Herbalife) for testing and show us the results. Simple as that.

[quote=Lord_Ashe,May 10 2006, 02:22 PM]
Muscle tone and weight loss are two entirely different things. Ask ANY doctor (respectable ones) in the world and he'll tell you NO product helps you tone muscles besides exercise. Of course you won't see loose skin - the human body is very dynamic, and the fluid you lose through Herbalife is lost gradually. Compare to a person who does liposuction and you'll see A LOT of skin.

So please, do a little scientific research before you push a product.

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As a leader in the wellness industry, Herbalife has proudly established two scientific bodies: the Medical Advisory Board and the Scientific Advisory Board. Together, these teams, comprised of distinguished doctors, award-winning scientists and renowned wellness experts, help advance the field of nutritional science, ensure Herbalife products are high quality and educate customers worldwide on every aspect of good health.

Medical Advisory Board
Herbalife's Medical Advisory Board (MAB) is chaired by David Heber, M.D. and includes award-winning doctors who guide product research and development, focusing on the quality and benefits of our products.

Scientific Advisory Board
Herbalife has its own Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) committed to advancing the field of nutritional science.

The Mark Hughes Cellular & Molecular Nutrition Laboratory
As a wellness pioneer, Herbalife has donated funds to establish a research laboratory at the Center for Human Nutrition at UCLA.*

*UCLA, or the University of California, Los Angeles, is one of the most prestigious universities in the world. It boasts five faculty recipients of Nobel Prizes and nine National Medals of Science.
The Nobel Prize is a registered trademark of the Nobel Foundation.

http://www.herbalife.com/hl/templates/temp...cCommitment.jsp

like they'll believe that link..........it'll take more than just that..
hey UCLA! I'll get my cuzzie to verify it.

For arguments sake, if ppl want to give me money,heck, why not?If I were UCLA I would say thanks and bye bye. Doesn't go to show Mark Hughes or Herbalife has proven efficacy of his product. For no reason drag in UCLA and Nobel Foundation. lol!

Didn't you read my comment? I asked for a NON-SPONSORED, INDEPENDENT, body. By virtue of having received funds from Herbalife, how can the layperson know that the results's aren't biased?

It's the same as when a mobile phone manufacturer establishes a magazine as "official reviewer" and "donates" several phones to the magazine. Would you trust the magazine to be impartial? Hardly, and neither would you trust Proton's PR would you?

This Heber checks out, especially if you're looking for proponents of "integrative" medicine. Fine - he's a respected doctor. Excellent. Now let's see some INDEPENDENT test results - you know, like the experiment they did that disproved the results of prayer on healing? Link

http://herbalife.sitestream.com/Testimonia...s=&media=725676

..did u doctor family advise their patient to lose weight if they are over weight??
..jus want to know this..

Nice video. Good production values, and Dr Komadina is now running for senate.

What's the difference between these testimonials and the ones you see in Harian Metro, or The Shopping Channel? Why is Herbalife different from:

"I used Brand X soap but after trying Brand Y soap my body feels so clean!" - Humphrey, KL.

You have to understand that I don't just diss these products for fun - what I'm trying to do is to make people aware that just because something has the word "natural" in it doesn't make it legit, or even safe. So yeah, more NON-SPONSORED content, please.

For example: Herbalife Link, with references.



This post has been edited by Lord_Ashe: May 10 2006, 04:14 PM

Huh? Being overweight isn't healthy so doctors would normally emphasise healthy lifestyle change INCLUDING weightloss. I don't see your point though.

Yes, obviously!
In singapore, kids who are overweight are required to join a excercise regime every morning before classes.

^^^^^

Those're some very valid points there bro. I repeat, nothing will ever beat a good healthy diet and good old fashioned exercise. Heck, Herbalife is RM300 plus, so much more than my whey protein powder. IMO, not worth it.

RM300 plus is not for every month for the rest of ur life. It is just helping you to get to the ideal weight and size. after tat. u may totally stop.

Funny how a product that makes you lose weight also enables you to GAIN weight - what, it "knows" what you want and acts accordingly? A sentient diet product?

And your weight will increase again when you do stop, just like people who go off fad diets. Good luck with that.

RM300 a month for the rest of your life is not a seriously large amount of waste of your resources?Well, ...I have better things to do with my money.

Today, I wish to thank everybody, (I'm an atheist, so no god here) that I was blessed;

With a body that cannot gain much weight. (I hate this part!!)
Has the ability to burn fat faster than a girl eats deluxe mcchicken
Is not going to be subjected to wasting money on such products.

Thank you god. KEsiannnnNNn u girls...oh well, have fun with MLM. I love it.

I'll say it again and again. THe best supplement = WHOLESOME CLEAN FOODS
How to take advantage of this supplement called good food :-

Nutrient timing
Utilizing the thrermic properties of protein
Nutrient separation into either fats + protein or fats + carbohydrate
etc etc.

Research on that.

This post has been edited by darklight79: May 12 2006, 02:04 PM

http://nutriweb.org.my/article.php?sid=19

American Heart Association Comments On High Protein Diet As A Strategy For Weight Reduction
Date: Friday, January 11 @ 15:27:11 MYT

You may have heard of some groups promoting high protein diet as a "new" strategy for successful weight loss. Protein content of some of such diets can go up to 30-60% of total energy. Carbohydrate content in such diets is reduced to as low as 5%. Fat energy goes up to as much as 30-60%.They are also recommended as a better "alternative" to the conventional carbohydrate-based diet.

Your patients and subjects must have asked you at some point about such diets. Please do not be misled by promotions of such high protein diets. Please stay with the recommendations of the Ministry of Health and endorsed by the Nutrition Society of Malaysa of the food guide pyramid that you are already familiar with. Almost all health authorities in the world, the WHO and FAO are following the same guidelines.

Below is the abstract of a recent article from the America Heart Association, commenting on this high protein diet. This article appreared in the journal Circulation 104(15): 1869-1874, 2001 and is an official statement from the AHA Science Advisory and Coordinating Committee of June 2001. You can read the full article in: http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/15/1869

High-protein diets have recently been proposed as a "new" strategy for successful weight loss. However, variations of these diets have been popular since the 1960s. High-protein diets typically offer wide latitude in protein food choices, are restrictive in other food choices (mainly carbohydrates), and provide structured eating plans. They also often promote misconceptions about carbohydrates, insulin resistance, ketosis, and fat burning as mechanisms of action for weight loss. Although these diets may not be harmful for most healthy people for a short period of time, there are no long-term scientific studies to support their overall efficacy and safety. These diets are generally associated with higher intakes of total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol because the protein is provided mainly by animal sources. In high-protein diets, weight loss is initially high due to fluid loss related to reduced carbohydrate intake, overall caloric restriction, and ketosis-induced appetite suppression. Beneficial effects on blood lipids and insulin resistance are due to the weight loss, not to the change in caloric composition. Promoters of high-protein diets promise successful results by encouraging high-protein food choices that are usually restricted in other diets, thus providing initial palatability, an attractive alternative to other weight-reduction diets that have not worked for a variety of reasons for most individuals. High-protein diets are not recommended because they restrict healthful foods that provide essential nutrients and do not provide the variety of foods needed to adequately meet nutritional needs. Individuals who follow these diets are therefore at risk for compromised vitamin and mineral intake, as well as potential cardiac, renal, bone, and liver abnormalities overall.

i'll try to answer some question but pls do your own research.

herbalife protein powder contains whey protein concentrate and soy protein isolate which basically means filtered protein which contains no fat, water and other minerals. means it is pure protein which has 100% retention on muscle.

muscle in this case would be prevented from wasting away when dieting.

it is not that herbalife has been the only source of info. i get these info from various bodybuilding website.

as for nutrient that protein diet lacks, herbalife do have a nutrient shake that you mix it with protein. yes u can check the label.

bare in mind the article above me is talking about Atkins diet where the protein is not whey and soy protein concentrated and isolate which contains no fat at all.

yes i am a herbalife member but i do my homework. i cant sell something i don't believe in so if u have new info do let me know

but do your homework too before u say anything because i'm don't have time to entertain super skeptic like u simply because there's lots of people out there who's not too paranoid.

You, better show us the link that shows such claims. I want to read the website from this bodybuilder whom wrote it. If it's from Atkins or Herbalife, then you better find stronger proof from more reputable people and websites and not from manufacturer's sites.

This post has been edited by udangstar: May 13 2006, 11:01 AM

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Yep. A form of yo-yo dieting. It's all the same, you see it everywhere from well known celebrities like Oprah Winfrey, Mariah Carey to your average Joe.
So, we take Herbalife, we lose weight, then we stop. We continue with our normal eating habits, we gain weight again, so.... we take Herbalife all over again. The cycle repeats.
Man... i NEVER get some of you people ( I ain't implying everyone). Why the hell look for a MAGIC PILL/FORMULA/SUPPLEMENT for losing weight when it's plain old fashioned exercise and a good diet. For Christ's sake, no one's asking people to eat cabbage and soup every day!
A few minor changes to your diet; eg. a reduction of 500 calories a day WILL result in a gradual weight loss.

The key is gradual loss in fat. Most people make stupid ass unrealistic goals like wanting to lose 20 kgs in a month, etc. That's plain ridiculous. Yeah, you will lose weight, but also a lot of muscle mass. I may be a bodybuilder, but i'm talking about the average person's lean muscle mass which is responsible for elevating the metabolism and burning fat even at rest. People going on crash diets resulting in a way too rapid weight loss will cause loss of fat AND muscle. So? Less muscle, down goes your metabolism and you're forced to reduce your calories even further to compensate for the lower metabolism. Who's gonna have that kind of fanatical discipline?

At the end of the day, it's calories in vs calories out which matters, of course where those calories come from can make a huge difference. Of course, if one goes on a liquid diet like Herbalife, you're bound to lose weight no matter what.

What? Some of you people think the key to losing weight comes from moonbeams and pixie spells? Sheesh... gimme a break. I'm not preaching scientific bullshit here, just plain logic. People can show links to whatever websites they want, they can produce whatever scientific studies they want. It is still exercise and smart minor applications to diet. My 0.02.

I'm on neutral ground, but i get to accept ideas better, easily, and rationally. I've aware of some of the healthcare product in the market for sometimes, so this is what i found out...... just my humble opinion.

Admittedly, these products are genuine. Those people behind the work are none other than biotechnologist, medical personnel, Ph.D. holder, specialist. That's why we are paying for their salary, and the technology.

They offer a better lifestyle, be in permanent or temporarily, it'll defenitely give desirable result as long as it is kept consumed. Beyond that, consumer need to initiate a change in previous eating habit. Be remind that all healthcare product do say *result may varies on individuals. For best or long lasting effect, it is recommended bla bla bla.... * well, encouraging a change into a healthier lifestyle.

Why people feel good about the product after they stop is becoz of the side effect. We get an improved digestive system, respitory system, cardio system, as we know these product are clean and natural, so it initiate and promote recovery and make us feel better. Other side effect include better sleep at night, better digestion and improve constipulation, blood pressure, sugar level, colestrol, etc.

But beware, rapid weight drop WILL cause loose skin, for inproper dietary. I guess these healthcare product now include some sort of nutrient to firm up the skin. Eventually, it's show, as we age, undeniable. The amount of skin cell we have is the same before and after the diet. Once we get old, it'll get loose cause of deteoriated skin cell.

So much about healthcare product, they only promote internal health. We still need to workout for strong muscle. Big or good-looking are SECONDARY. Ya, you can hv very health blood sugar, blood pressure, colestrol lvl, heck even bone density, good-looking body, appropriate muscle size (coz of the whey protein). But not strength in those muscle.
Consequences: backache, numb leg and hand for sitting or sleeping, sore hand and leg after shopping. Can barely stand up after a long squat...... healthcare product cant help on physical health. You can argue with me that your friend's mum 70-80 yrs old after eat this look better, lower blood sugar etc, and still can squat to wash clothes.. bla. Well, their mum may had been squating for decades washing clothes, that is an routine exercise. We cant compare those using washing machine, vacuum, walking only limited in air-conditioned room, with theses senior people. They are elite in what they are doing.

You would only feel it as you approach retiring age.

Every healthcare product is the same, they offer a better lifestyle. Still, they always encourage consumer to do more than just that. Exercise, my friend, routinely, if you really care about your health, NOT JUST LOOKING GOOD.

maybe i'll go spend an insane amount of money to join herbalife and then try it.

RM 300 a month = Herbalife

RM 300 a month = Good clean healthy food, maybe a membership at a reputable gym or fitness centre which result in a more permanent and healthier phase of weight loss, AND a sense of achievement that you lost weight through your own hard work.

Do the math.

This post has been edited by darklight79: May 14 2006, 11:49 PM

Aurora, agree with the Exercise...

Pizzaboy, u sure?

darklight79, yes, agree gym can lose weight too...nowadays..ppl are so lazy..herbalife product is just helping those lazy people to lose weight in an easy, convenient, safe and effective way..

only a retard will, puhleezee..

Seconded. I see that the pro-MLMer is still at it...

Another thing taking fluid or liquid diet does not address is the mechanics of digestion. Like the analogy made earlier by another supporter of these Herbalife milkshakes is the diet of astronauts or people in space. Sure they take nutrients in liquid form but this is not long term. Our stomach is made (by evolution) to work in a certain way. From carnivorous to omnivorous diet. Since the industrial revolution and mass manufacture of
foodstuffs (that we buy in supermarket etc) our health suffers generally from a too rich diet of processed foods rich in fat,salt,sugars and carbs while lacking in protein fibre and vitamins. If we just ate more healthy foods and more healthily prepared foods and exercised regularly we would be healthier. Taking diet pills or milkshakes or whathaveyou is a short term solution and will cause you long term consequences.

Also, this statement"'WHY OUR PROGRAMME IS UNIQUELY SUCCESSFUL'. You don't feel hungry on our diet because our unique Formula 1 & Protein Supplement Powder has the best possible blend of soy & whey protein to safely lose weight immediately AND over a prolonged period by controlling your hunger." ignores that thing i was saying about the mechanics of food processing in human alimentary track. Human stomachs need a bolus to push foods thru for digestion. Hunger triggers are also partly psychological (brain needs to see the food) and partly physical(body needs to feel the bulk of food) so it is unlikely a milkshake suffices to control HUNGER-unless they add an appetite suppresant,which is common in diet products which means the moment u get off the product, bam! u gain weight coz u will get more hungry.

As to the loose skin thing, sure,it makes sense, you starve fat cells in the body, u will reduce the size of fat cells (not the number) and this will cause some flabbiness. In some the flabiness is more apparent than others-maybe some people have less elastic skin or the weightloss was too rapid or the person didnt work out and tone his musclemass in the same region. Like people keep reminding, there is no such thing as spot reducing. probably this flabby thin is more apparent in women who lose weight rapidly due to women's relative propensity to have more fat than men and men's natural ability to build muscle mass. If anyone shows lack of flabbiness after dieting or using diet products it is more likely a result of their natural dermal elasticity-tensility(i.e. naturally taut skin) rather than any products ability to give u non-flabby weightloss.

Yep! Which is exactly why they keep advocating a long term use of their products. (Keep the money coming in baby!!)
Taking an extreme liquid diet is a form of yo-yo dieting. Humans weren't just meant to piss their shit out.

You see ah....I do the math for you, weightlifters.

According to mister Darklite, we need 1GM of protein per pound of bodyweight. So for me I'll take about 150GMS of protein a day.

Milk (1 pack) = 50 GMS protein (RM4.50)
Tuna (2 cans) = 48GMS (RM5+)
Oats (12 scoops a day) = a whole lot of protein
and normal chicken and everyday nasi campur = a lot of protein

i think take this and proper workouts, will take less than RM300 and you get a better looking shape.

Lieke what they say, "If you ain't got the packs and the cut, you ain't got nuts"

Badan slim, lembik no point

So true pizzaboy.

One half side of chicken breast already more than 150gms of proteinlah roughly, issin it? Summore want to tambah protein for what i dunno?
Supposedly we should only eat one piece of lean chicken the size of our hand per day. I think we already overeat way waaay a lot of protein. And tambah that with the yummy carbs and sugars and etc...

Another thing about the tambah tambah protein diets is that studies have always shown that it affects your kidneys and liver. Why want to susah payahkan your poor organs like that? Like we don't have enough toxins already issit?Ppl are so weird kan?

Bump to this. Btw, it's 2 grams of protein per lb bodyweight for me.

Still cheaper than Herbalife though.

Yup. U are absolutely right.

Which is why most MLMs are those selling "health products"...

Well.... y'know. You can always tell the schemes which just want profit. I mean, think about it, bodybuilding products like whey protein tell you on the label that you shouldn't depend on it alone but supplement it with a lot of good food right?
Herbalife, that's another matter.

Good article you posted there about digestion bro.

they would always be supporters and critics for diet programmes or products. i sometimes find it pointless to debate over which is better and which is useless. So criticize all u want about herbalife, it would still be around...it's been around for years in the US, and the product is still surviving.

So how effective is herbalife? i wouldnt say its the most amazing discovery ever, but well, my friends underwent the programme and has already shed kilos. Altho i must say part of the results should not be credited to the product alone, but on the user's determination of staying away from junk food, fast food and soft drinks and eating on time (well, i would say, if u have digged out hundreds of ringgit, u wouldnt want to risk blowing it away with a can of coke or a big mac, rite?). So does it mean one should just decrease his or her food intake? wouldnt tat be MUCH cheaper solution? well, yes, but there's risk of being lethargic and sickly. Herbalife claims to lose weight, but not energy. I do not know exactly how it works, but yes, my friends were still full of energy while they are on the programme.

How bout side effects? i do not know about how true my findings are, but as far as i know, the main criticism of herbalife had just been on its marketing strategy, which is thru MLM. So far, i do not see any reports on anyone suffering any ailments after consuming it. Maybe the company somehow had it covered....maybe since the programme normally only last bout 3-6 months, therefore period of consumption not enough to create any long term effects... no evidence to be sure. I have however heard of some consumers suffering diarrhea and coughs, but symptoms sounded more like allergy reactions...but i'm no expert, so again u be the judge.

well..lastly...will the kilos shed be kept off? i still hadnt seen real life proofs of this since my friends only took the product a few months earlier... so i'm also curious. but i guess, unless u start back on a diet of nasi lemak, burgers, and coke...should not be hard to maintain, rite?

whether is worth the money...i think its up to each individual. i personally would recommend to ppl who doesnt have time to exercise or find that working out did not yield the results u want.... ppl who are really busy to even have meals (sounds unbelievable, but the truth is, nowadays we do have lots of ppl who work / study till there s no time to eat!)...and of course, ppl who can afford it. afterall, it s really pricey. for me? i cant really afford it and am a lazy bum, so i'll just stick back to controlling food intake and light exercise..results? my weight has dropped from 118 lbs to 112 lbs in two years.

Ahhh okay fine~
I'll get my obese fatso mom (well she's 50KG's and she's about 168CM ) to try
if she sheds fat, then i'll tell ya

Totally agree with you, i don't understand why people paid so much for treatment in slimming centres and on supplement to lose weight.
Going to the gym and eating right saves you heaps money and you can even use the spare change to buy new clothes for your new body

This post has been edited by bellatrix: May 26 2006, 08:42 AM

And... you can see a HUGE difference between the physiques of the women who just go to slimming centres and just dieting down compared to women to are regulars at the gym. There's no comparison at all.
The bodies of women who are exercise WIN hands down. The "after" pics of those who go to slimming centres are just... bleh... skinny in an unhealthy way.

Agreed agreed. There's one female instructor of taebo at the gym in wassatbuilding near the Equitorial Hotel...apanama itu...she's like a teeny tiny 5'4" but fit you know. She could do this aikido thing and slam me into the mat.every time! no kidding. even if i am prepared she can still do it.amazing. I am huge next to her. Training and exercise thats the key,not this rubbishy milkshakes and pills stuff

hmmm?
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=287852

This post has been edited by allets: May 26 2006, 04:59 PM

phew thank god i am not the only one who thinks exercise is way better

Yeap missy. Ya ain't alone, lemme tell ya that. I appreciate a woman who can leg press and squat a respectable weight. They need to get the ridiculous notion outta their heads that lifting weights will build muscle. Women don't have sufficient testosterone for Christ's sake.
This is why a huge percentage of women fail in their weight loss goals. They lose too much healthy weight, too rapidly, which mostly consists of lean muscle mass. Lean muscle mass is responsible for elevation of metabolism, hence greater fat burning.
This is why weight training will always rule over long duration low intensity cardio.
High Intensity Interval Training which is another form of cardio is another matter but i won't delve too deep into that.

I assume you're a fitness buff yourself?

I am a fitness freak i do 2 cardio and 1 strength traning session every week.... i would love to do more but i need to go to class hehe

Yeah, I hear ya Iron Sister . It's hard to balance other obligations with training, but as long as we can manage to slot a few days in a week, we get back as good as we give, which is well worth it in the end. The mirror never lies.
Apart from a few female friends, i don't think i usually encounter a woman who does pretty serious strength training. I would love to hit the weights with you if i had the opportunity (not cardio though, i hate aerobics! Lol!), but unfortunately, i assume you're a KL'ite. I am too, but i'm all the way in Malacca doing my training. I do come back on the weekends but those days are mostly for chilling out and meeting up friends, but if i feel like it, i go to my gym and train.

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This post has been edited by allets: Jun 8 2006, 02:33 PM