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post Apr 21 2006, 09:46 AM

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Annoying ppl these Herbalifers. Keep handing out leaflets at the LRT and blocking the way only.
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post Apr 21 2006, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(RoxyMunky @ Apr 21 2006, 09:48 AM)
not just at lrt stations la... my office is very near to their office too... sweat.gif

everytime pass by.. sure got ppl bull u with those skim cepat kaya stuff..

its at the first building towards changkat raja chulan... sweat.gif
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And nowadays they use mat salleh lengchai lenglui to show they are konon-nya "international" company. My @ss!!

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post May 9 2006, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(mayyen @ May 9 2006, 11:45 AM)
i'm using the product the 5th day..did drop more then 1 kg le..if ur fren got interest to kw more..i can share..oso..herbalife is not only for lose weight..cos it can gain weight with the SAME product oso lo..tat's wat i heard from my cousin from Singapore.. whistling.gif
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If you eat anything which causes a caloric deficit (less than what your body needsto maintain current body mass) OF COURSE you lose weight. If you eat glass noodles like another person suggested for 5 days straight u will also lose weight but glass noodles has almost no nutrients whatsoever.
If u are gonna take milkshake with 150 calories to replace with one meal of course in the end you will lose some weight(most probably water)because your body is taking in less than it needs to maintain your current weight. If milkshake has some protein some vits etc not so bad. But in the end its not a good solution because you would have done nothing to tone your muscles or build more musles mass or your heart health(through aerobic exercise) or increase your metabolic rate which helps regulate your weight gain/loss and keep u in good general health. In summary, supplementary diet milkshakes are not good for your health.
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post May 9 2006, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(allets @ May 9 2006, 04:01 PM)
Hmm, are you a doctor?  shakehead.gif Please don't make any assumptions when you dont understand about Herbalife products. If it cant tone the muscle, ppl slimming down using meal replacement, then i guess there will be a lot a lot of skin dangling around...but how come no leh?? have you tried the product urself and u encounter tat? pls advise.
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lol! I don't need to be a doctor to know this since it's BASIC biology and body/health sciences. Again I don't need to be a doctor to know that replacing meals with whatever diet milkshake is NOT A GOOD IDEA or a long term replacement for healthy living and healthy diet. Granted I have no clue what potentially false claims Herbalife or any other diet supplement company is making.

I do know something about weightloss since I lost 12 kilos 2 years ago at the age of 30 from healthy eating and moderate exercise. The weight loss plateaud after the 7th month so i basically lost 1.5 kilos on average a month. Even then,my diettician said it was already pretty drastic. I have increased muscle mass by 9% so the weight I gained back was partly in new/more muscle formed. That's healthy.Losing water weight is not healthy or rather it's pointless since the moment u backslide you're gonna inflate those fat cells again. Up to you, it's your body, but again, IT AIN"T HEALTHY. Weightloss is nothing in long run, healthy lifestyle is important. In fact, in women, rapid weight loss has been known to deplete bone density.

BTW, if it is at all relevant, 4 out of 5 of my family members are doctors/healthcare professionals so I do know something about healthcare.
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post May 10 2006, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(allets @ May 9 2006, 05:27 PM)
Haha! y become fat in the first place??
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Blame my gf. Damn good cook man. tongue.gif

Also becoz of my working schedule.Travel, eat in hotel,work thru nite,no sleep come back from work sleep thru weekend. But all that is over,old man already cannot tahan that kinda lifestyle.

Now back to my college days weight with a good healthy way of life. I think i look pretty good for my age *ahem*
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post May 10 2006, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(mayyen @ May 10 2006, 12:58 PM)
TAT'S GREAT..how abt ppl in space?can ppl there bring rice ..meat..vegatable..etc..???and how they get enough nutrition what they need everyday? if that's is a product with all the nutrition in 1 bottle..is that great??then we no need to count ..how many vitamin  or nutrition we short..or is it too much of oilly food or calories we took per meal..is that good idea??
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Our stomachs and the body in general is made to extract nutrients from food sources in a certain way. Technically following your argument, ppl in space can be supplied with enough nutrients to survive. This is however not ideal since humans are not meant to live in zero-g or less g.Some alterations (by evolution or my interference through gene therapy etc) must be made for humans to live long term in space. Same for human intake of food in space. So for now humans have not evolved to survive with eating one pill or drinking some liquids. Nor are there medical therapies that cna change our bodies to accept such forms of nutrients in the long term.

Furthermore, as a lover of food, i feel food and eating is a social,cultural,aesthetic experience. Why lose the smeel,taste,feel,experience of eating what you love by taking a pill or drinking some damn milkshake? Just eat less, eat what is good,less of what is bad,exercise,sleep enough, dont get stressed...simple plan.
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post May 10 2006, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(mayyen @ May 10 2006, 01:32 PM)
did i mention tat if drink tat DAMN milk shake cann't eNjoy any food? shakehead.gif
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re food enjoyment: well technically, if you take the milkshake supplement with a nominal(most are at least 100 calories) caloric value you would've wasted it on something pretty tasteless insterad of using that daily allocation for something much more enjoyable. that's all i'm saying.

QUOTE(mayyen @ May 10 2006, 01:32 PM)
jus asking if there is a product with all nutrition in 1 bottle..IS THAT GOOD IDEA???


I answered that...but i'm guessing that went waaay over your head.

QUOTE(mayyen @ May 10 2006, 01:32 PM)
who dun know tat..mac or KFc is nice to eat???n coke is nice to drink??but other then FAT  n SUGER..what else u can get  from there??


is Mac nice to eat? Yucks. Now,KFC i kinda like but I don't eat it that often coz I do know it isnt something you should indulge in often. I don't take soft drinks but if i do i drink fresh fruit juices or take a beer every so often. But in any case, probably you miss my point that we can have nice things and tasty things which aren't loaded with fats/chemicals or come in the form of a milkshake.

Nuff said. Unless you just wanna rant on...then go ahead... whistling.gif

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post May 10 2006, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(mayyen @ May 10 2006, 01:46 PM)
oh ya..i ever think tat is it safe i took tis way to lose weight??  but i do trust my cousin..and my own eyes lo..cos she lose 10 kg in 3 mths..n totally change a new person since i nvr see her for many years...and last time..she use to be took diabetis n high blood medicine to control her sickness for many many many years..but tat day when she came to KL..she did show me the report..her diabetis n high blood is in normal level le..and oso stop her medicine..i dun know why n wat thing is tat so miracal?i have tyroid n sinus also for many years..i really hope tat..beside then lose weight..i oso can improve my sickness..n get back my health.. 
oso..can u explaine this??if u got family member who is doctors..how come other then lose weight..the sickness oso can be improve??is it  because of fat ppl easy got that kind of sickness..??or cause of what they eat  those food that was unwanted by our body..since kid till now..??oso..did u doctor family advise their patient  to lose weight if they are over weight??
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Umm...I have no idea what you're ranting on about...
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post May 10 2006, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(allets @ May 10 2006, 03:02 PM)
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The Mark Hughes Cellular & Molecular Nutrition Laboratory
As a wellness pioneer, Herbalife has donated funds to establish a research laboratory at the Center for Human Nutrition at UCLA.*

*UCLA, or the University of California, Los Angeles, is one of the most prestigious universities in the world. It boasts five faculty recipients of Nobel Prizes and nine National Medals of Science.
The Nobel Prize is a registered trademark of the Nobel Foundation.

http://www.herbalife.com/hl/templates/temp...cCommitment.jsp
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For arguments sake, if ppl want to give me money,heck, why not?If I were UCLA I would say thanks and bye bye. Doesn't go to show Mark Hughes or Herbalife has proven efficacy of his product. For no reason drag in UCLA and Nobel Foundation. lol!
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post May 10 2006, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(mayyen @ May 10 2006, 04:05 PM)
..did u doctor family advise their patient to lose weight if they are over weight??
..jus want to know this..
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Huh? Being overweight isn't healthy so doctors would normally emphasise healthy lifestyle change INCLUDING weightloss. I don't see your point though.
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post May 11 2006, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(allets @ May 11 2006, 09:32 AM)
RM300 plus is not for every month for the rest of ur life. It is just helping you to get to the ideal weight and size. after tat. u may totally stop.
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And your weight will increase again when you do stop, just like people who go off fad diets. Good luck with that.

RM300 a month for the rest of your life is not a seriously large amount of waste of your resources?Well, ...I have better things to do with my money.
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post May 15 2006, 02:10 PM

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Another thing taking fluid or liquid diet does not address is the mechanics of digestion. Like the analogy made earlier by another supporter of these Herbalife milkshakes is the diet of astronauts or people in space. Sure they take nutrients in liquid form but this is not long term. Our stomach is made (by evolution) to work in a certain way. From carnivorous to omnivorous diet. Since the industrial revolution and mass manufacture of
foodstuffs (that we buy in supermarket etc) our health suffers generally from a too rich diet of processed foods rich in fat,salt,sugars and carbs while lacking in protein fibre and vitamins. If we just ate more healthy foods and more healthily prepared foods and exercised regularly we would be healthier. Taking diet pills or milkshakes or whathaveyou is a short term solution and will cause you long term consequences.

Also, this statement"'WHY OUR PROGRAMME IS UNIQUELY SUCCESSFUL'. You don't feel hungry on our diet because our unique Formula 1 & Protein Supplement Powder has the best possible blend of soy & whey protein to safely lose weight immediately AND over a prolonged period by controlling your hunger." ignores that thing i was saying about the mechanics of food processing in human alimentary track. Human stomachs need a bolus to push foods thru for digestion. Hunger triggers are also partly psychological (brain needs to see the food) and partly physical(body needs to feel the bulk of food) so it is unlikely a milkshake suffices to control HUNGER-unless they add an appetite suppresant,which is common in diet products which means the moment u get off the product, bam! u gain weight coz u will get more hungry.

As to the loose skin thing, sure,it makes sense, you starve fat cells in the body, u will reduce the size of fat cells (not the number) and this will cause some flabbiness. In some the flabiness is more apparent than others-maybe some people have less elastic skin or the weightloss was too rapid or the person didnt work out and tone his musclemass in the same region. Like people keep reminding, there is no such thing as spot reducing. probably this flabby thin is more apparent in women who lose weight rapidly due to women's relative propensity to have more fat than men and men's natural ability to build muscle mass. If anyone shows lack of flabbiness after dieting or using diet products it is more likely a result of their natural dermal elasticity-tensility(i.e. naturally taut skin) rather than any products ability to give u non-flabby weightloss.


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post May 15 2006, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ May 15 2006, 02:17 PM)
You see ah....I do the math for you, weightlifters.

According to mister Darklite, we need 1GM of protein per pound of bodyweight. So for me I'll take about 150GMS of protein a day.

Milk (1 pack) = 50 GMS protein (RM4.50)
Tuna (2 cans) = 48GMS (RM5+)
Oats (12 scoops a day) = a whole lot of protein tongue.gif
and normal chicken and everyday nasi campur = a lot of protein

i think take this and proper workouts, will take less than RM300 and you get a better looking shape.

Lieke what they say, "If you ain't got the packs and the cut, you ain't got nuts"

Badan slim, lembik no point
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So true pizzaboy.

One half side of chicken breast already more than 150gms of proteinlah roughly, issin it? Summore want to tambah protein for what i dunno?
Supposedly we should only eat one piece of lean chicken the size of our hand per day. I think we already overeat way waaay a lot of protein. And tambah that with the yummy carbs and sugars and etc...

Another thing about the tambah tambah protein diets is that studies have always shown that it affects your kidneys and liver. Why want to susah payahkan your poor organs like that? Like we don't have enough toxins already issit?Ppl are so weird kan?

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post May 15 2006, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 15 2006, 02:13 PM)
Yep! Which is exactly why they keep advocating a long term use of their products. wink.gif  (Keep the money coming in baby!!)
Taking an extreme liquid diet is a form of yo-yo dieting. Humans weren't just meant to piss their shit out.
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Yup. U are absolutely right. rclxms.gif

Which is why most MLMs are those selling "health products"...
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post May 26 2006, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 26 2006, 03:07 PM)
And... you can see a HUGE difference between the physiques of the women who just go to slimming centres and just dieting down compared to women to are regulars at the gym. There's no comparison at all.
The bodies of women who are exercise WIN hands down. The "after" pics of those who go to slimming centres are just... bleh... skinny in an unhealthy way.
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Agreed agreed. There's one female instructor of taebo at the gym in wassatbuilding near the Equitorial Hotel...apanama itu...she's like a teeny tiny 5'4" but fit you know. She could do this aikido thing and slam me into the mat.every time! no kidding. even if i am prepared she can still do it.amazing. I am huge next to her. Training and exercise thats the key,not this rubbishy milkshakes and pills stuff

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