This is something that's always used by people who push snake oil medicines. They assume that skeptics have to provide the proof, when THEY're the ones who actually have to provide it. One of the most respected scientists in the world, Carl Sagan, said it this way:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Therefore, if you claim Herbalife tones muscles, where's the proof? Submit a sample to a respected, independent body (NOT one sponsored by Herbalife) for testing and show us the results. Simple as that.

Muscle tone and weight loss are two entirely different things. Ask ANY doctor (respectable ones) in the world and he'll tell you NO product helps you tone muscles besides exercise. Of course you won't see loose skin - the human body is very dynamic, and the fluid you lose through Herbalife is lost gradually. Compare to a person who does liposuction and you'll see A LOT of skin.

So please, do a little scientific research before you push a product.

Didn't you read my comment? I asked for a NON-SPONSORED, INDEPENDENT, body. By virtue of having received funds from Herbalife, how can the layperson know that the results's aren't biased?

It's the same as when a mobile phone manufacturer establishes a magazine as "official reviewer" and "donates" several phones to the magazine. Would you trust the magazine to be impartial? Hardly, and neither would you trust Proton's PR would you?

This Heber checks out, especially if you're looking for proponents of "integrative" medicine. Fine - he's a respected doctor. Excellent. Now let's see some INDEPENDENT test results - you know, like the experiment they did that disproved the results of prayer on healing? Link

Nice video. Good production values, and Dr Komadina is now running for senate.

What's the difference between these testimonials and the ones you see in Harian Metro, or The Shopping Channel? Why is Herbalife different from:

"I used Brand X soap but after trying Brand Y soap my body feels so clean!" - Humphrey, KL.

You have to understand that I don't just diss these products for fun - what I'm trying to do is to make people aware that just because something has the word "natural" in it doesn't make it legit, or even safe. So yeah, more NON-SPONSORED content, please.

For example: Herbalife Link, with references.



This post has been edited by Lord_Ashe: May 10 2006, 04:14 PM

Funny how a product that makes you lose weight also enables you to GAIN weight - what, it "knows" what you want and acts accordingly? A sentient diet product?

Seconded. I see that the pro-MLMer is still at it...