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 Herbalife, Yet another MLM...

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darklight79
post May 5 2006, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(allets @ May 5 2006, 06:08 PM)
Yes, there is side effects taking Herbalife product. The side effects is you have to buy new clothes!!! I tried it, already. In a month, my body size is just like 3 years ago, meaning to say that thinner now. My frens and colls all around me are amazed with the effects. Hehe.  rclxms.gif
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Uhh.... you don't happen to be working for herbalife?
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post May 10 2006, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(LYFfan @ May 9 2006, 04:37 PM)
lol! I don't need to be a doctor to know this since it's BASIC biology and body/health sciences. Again I don't need to be a doctor to know that replacing meals with whatever diet milkshake is NOT A GOOD IDEA or a long term replacement for healthy living and healthy diet. Granted I have no clue what potentially false claims Herbalife or any other diet supplement company is making.

I do know something about weightloss since I lost 12 kilos 2 years ago at the age of 30 from healthy eating and moderate exercise. The weight loss plateaud after the 7th month so i basically lost 1.5 kilos on average a month. Even then,my diettician said it was already pretty drastic. I have increased muscle mass by 9% so the weight I gained back was partly in new/more muscle formed. That's healthy.Losing water weight is not healthy or rather it's pointless since the moment u backslide you're gonna inflate those fat cells again. Up to you, it's your body, but again, IT AIN"T HEALTHY. Weightloss is nothing in long run, healthy lifestyle is important. In fact, in women, rapid weight loss has been known to deplete bone density.

BTW, if it is at all relevant, 4 out of 5 of my family members are doctors/healthcare professionals so I do know something about healthcare.
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Those're some very valid points there bro. I repeat, nothing will ever beat a good healthy diet and good old fashioned exercise. Heck, Herbalife is RM300 plus, so much more than my whey protein powder. IMO, not worth it.

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post May 12 2006, 02:02 PM

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I'll say it again and again. THe best supplement = WHOLESOME CLEAN FOODS
How to take advantage of this supplement called good food :-

Nutrient timing
Utilizing the thrermic properties of protein
Nutrient separation into either fats + protein or fats + carbohydrate
etc etc.

Research on that.

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post May 13 2006, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(LYFfan @ May 11 2006, 10:10 AM)
And your weight will increase again when you do stop, just like people who go off fad diets. Good luck with that.

RM300 a month for the rest of your life is not a seriously large amount of waste of your resources?Well, ...I have better things to do with my money.
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Yep. A form of yo-yo dieting. It's all the same, you see it everywhere from well known celebrities like Oprah Winfrey, Mariah Carey to your average Joe.
So, we take Herbalife, we lose weight, then we stop. We continue with our normal eating habits, we gain weight again, so.... we take Herbalife all over again. The cycle repeats.
Man... i NEVER get some of you people ( I ain't implying everyone). Why the hell look for a MAGIC PILL/FORMULA/SUPPLEMENT for losing weight when it's plain old fashioned exercise and a good diet. For Christ's sake, no one's asking people to eat cabbage and soup every day!
A few minor changes to your diet; eg. a reduction of 500 calories a day WILL result in a gradual weight loss.

The key is gradual loss in fat. Most people make stupid ass unrealistic goals like wanting to lose 20 kgs in a month, etc. That's plain ridiculous. Yeah, you will lose weight, but also a lot of muscle mass. I may be a bodybuilder, but i'm talking about the average person's lean muscle mass which is responsible for elevating the metabolism and burning fat even at rest. People going on crash diets resulting in a way too rapid weight loss will cause loss of fat AND muscle. So? Less muscle, down goes your metabolism and you're forced to reduce your calories even further to compensate for the lower metabolism. Who's gonna have that kind of fanatical discipline?

At the end of the day, it's calories in vs calories out which matters, of course where those calories come from can make a huge difference. Of course, if one goes on a liquid diet like Herbalife, you're bound to lose weight no matter what.

What? Some of you people think the key to losing weight comes from moonbeams and pixie spells? Sheesh... gimme a break. I'm not preaching scientific bullshit here, just plain logic. People can show links to whatever websites they want, they can produce whatever scientific studies they want. It is still exercise and smart minor applications to diet. My 0.02.
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post May 14 2006, 11:48 PM

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RM 300 a month = Herbalife

RM 300 a month = Good clean healthy food, maybe a membership at a reputable gym or fitness centre which result in a more permanent and healthier phase of weight loss, AND a sense of achievement that you lost weight through your own hard work.

Do the math.

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post May 15 2006, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(LYFfan @ May 15 2006, 02:10 PM)
Another thing taking fluid or liquid diet does not address is the mechanics of digestion. Like the analogy made earlier by another supporter of these Herbalife milkshakes is the diet of astronauts or people in space. Sure they take nutrients in liquid form but this is not long term. Our stomach is made (by evolution) to work in a certain way. From carnivorous to omnivorous diet. Since the industrial revolution and mass manufacture of 
foodstuffs (that we buy in supermarket etc) our health suffers generally from a too rich diet of processed foods rich in fat,salt,sugars and carbs while lacking in protein fibre and vitamins. If we just ate more healthy foods and more healthily prepared foods and exercised regularly we would be healthier. Taking diet pills or milkshakes or whathaveyou is a short term solution and will cause you long term consequences.

Also, this statement"'WHY OUR PROGRAMME IS UNIQUELY SUCCESSFUL'. You don't feel hungry on our diet because our unique Formula 1 & Protein Supplement Powder has the best possible blend of soy & whey protein to safely lose weight immediately AND over a prolonged period by controlling your hunger." ignores that thing i was saying about the mechanics of food processing in human alimentary track. Human stomachs need a bolus to push foods thru for digestion. Hunger triggers are also partly psychological (brain needs to see the food) and partly physical(body needs to feel the bulk of food) so it is unlikely a milkshake suffices to control HUNGER-unless they add an appetite suppresant,which is common in diet products which means the moment u get off the product, bam! u gain weight coz u will get more hungry.

As to the loose skin thing, sure,it makes sense, you starve fat cells in the body, u will reduce the size of fat cells (not the number) and this will cause some flabbiness. In some the flabiness is more apparent than others-maybe some people have less elastic skin or the weightloss was too rapid or the person didnt work out and tone his musclemass in the same region. Like people keep reminding, there is no such thing as spot reducing. probably this flabby thin is more apparent in women who lose weight rapidly due to women's relative propensity to have more fat than men and men's natural ability to build muscle mass. If anyone shows lack of flabbiness after dieting or using diet products it is more likely a result of their natural dermal elasticity-tensility(i.e. naturally taut skin) rather than any products ability to give u non-flabby weightloss.
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Yep! Which is exactly why they keep advocating a long term use of their products. wink.gif (Keep the money coming in baby!!)
Taking an extreme liquid diet is a form of yo-yo dieting. Humans weren't just meant to piss their shit out.
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post May 15 2006, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ May 15 2006, 02:17 PM)
You see ah....I do the math for you, weightlifters.

According to mister Darklite, we need 1GM of protein per pound of bodyweight. So for me I'll take about 150GMS of protein a day.

Milk (1 pack) = 50 GMS protein (RM4.50)
Tuna (2 cans) = 48GMS (RM5+)
Oats (12 scoops a day) = a whole lot of protein tongue.gif
and normal chicken and everyday nasi campur = a lot of protein

i think take this and proper workouts, will take less than RM300 and you get a better looking shape.

Lieke what they say, "If you ain't got the packs and the cut, you ain't got nuts"

Badan slim, lembik no point
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Bump to this. Btw, it's 2 grams of protein per lb bodyweight for me. biggrin.gif

Still cheaper than Herbalife though.
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post May 15 2006, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(LYFfan @ May 15 2006, 02:27 PM)
Yup. U are absolutely right.  rclxms.gif

Which is why most MLMs are those selling "health products"...
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Well.... y'know. You can always tell the schemes which just want profit. I mean, think about it, bodybuilding products like whey protein tell you on the label that you shouldn't depend on it alone but supplement it with a lot of good food right?
Herbalife, that's another matter. wink.gif

Good article you posted there about digestion bro. smile.gif
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post May 26 2006, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(bellatrix @ May 26 2006, 08:42 AM)
Totally agree with you, i don't understand why people paid so much for treatment in slimming centres and on supplement to lose weight.
Going to the gym and eating right saves you heaps money and you can even use the spare change to buy new clothes for your new body smile.gif
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And... you can see a HUGE difference between the physiques of the women who just go to slimming centres and just dieting down compared to women to are regulars at the gym. There's no comparison at all.
The bodies of women who are exercise WIN hands down. The "after" pics of those who go to slimming centres are just... bleh... skinny in an unhealthy way.
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post May 27 2006, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(bellatrix @ May 26 2006, 08:30 PM)
phew thank god i am not the only one who thinks exercise is way better smile.gif
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Yeap missy. Ya ain't alone, lemme tell ya that. I appreciate a woman who can leg press and squat a respectable weight. They need to get the ridiculous notion outta their heads that lifting weights will build muscle. Women don't have sufficient testosterone for Christ's sake.
This is why a huge percentage of women fail in their weight loss goals. They lose too much healthy weight, too rapidly, which mostly consists of lean muscle mass. Lean muscle mass is responsible for elevation of metabolism, hence greater fat burning.
This is why weight training will always rule over long duration low intensity cardio.
High Intensity Interval Training which is another form of cardio is another matter but i won't delve too deep into that.

I assume you're a fitness buff yourself?
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post May 28 2006, 04:12 AM

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QUOTE(bellatrix @ May 27 2006, 05:45 PM)
I am a fitness freak smile.gif i do 2 cardio and  1 strength traning session every week.... i would love to do more but i need to go to class hehe
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Yeah, I hear ya Iron Sister wink.gif . It's hard to balance other obligations with training, but as long as we can manage to slot a few days in a week, we get back as good as we give, which is well worth it in the end. The mirror never lies. wink.gif
Apart from a few female friends, i don't think i usually encounter a woman who does pretty serious strength training. I would love to hit the weights with you if i had the opportunity (not cardio though, i hate aerobics! Lol!), but unfortunately, i assume you're a KL'ite. I am too, but i'm all the way in Malacca doing my training. I do come back on the weekends but those days are mostly for chilling out and meeting up friends, but if i feel like it, i go to my gym and train.

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