And your weight will increase again when you do stop, just like people who go off fad diets. Good luck with that.

RM300 a month for the rest of your life is not a seriously large amount of waste of your resources?Well, ...I have better things to do with my money.

Today, I wish to thank everybody, (I'm an atheist, so no god here) that I was blessed;

With a body that cannot gain much weight. (I hate this part!!)
Has the ability to burn fat faster than a girl eats deluxe mcchicken
Is not going to be subjected to wasting money on such products.

Thank you god. KEsiannnnNNn u girls...oh well, have fun with MLM. I love it.

I'll say it again and again. THe best supplement = WHOLESOME CLEAN FOODS
How to take advantage of this supplement called good food :-

Nutrient timing
Utilizing the thrermic properties of protein
Nutrient separation into either fats + protein or fats + carbohydrate
etc etc.

Research on that.

This post has been edited by darklight79: May 12 2006, 02:04 PM

http://nutriweb.org.my/article.php?sid=19

American Heart Association Comments On High Protein Diet As A Strategy For Weight Reduction
Date: Friday, January 11 @ 15:27:11 MYT

You may have heard of some groups promoting high protein diet as a "new" strategy for successful weight loss. Protein content of some of such diets can go up to 30-60% of total energy. Carbohydrate content in such diets is reduced to as low as 5%. Fat energy goes up to as much as 30-60%.They are also recommended as a better "alternative" to the conventional carbohydrate-based diet.

Your patients and subjects must have asked you at some point about such diets. Please do not be misled by promotions of such high protein diets. Please stay with the recommendations of the Ministry of Health and endorsed by the Nutrition Society of Malaysa of the food guide pyramid that you are already familiar with. Almost all health authorities in the world, the WHO and FAO are following the same guidelines.

Below is the abstract of a recent article from the America Heart Association, commenting on this high protein diet. This article appreared in the journal Circulation 104(15): 1869-1874, 2001 and is an official statement from the AHA Science Advisory and Coordinating Committee of June 2001. You can read the full article in: http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/15/1869

High-protein diets have recently been proposed as a "new" strategy for successful weight loss. However, variations of these diets have been popular since the 1960s. High-protein diets typically offer wide latitude in protein food choices, are restrictive in other food choices (mainly carbohydrates), and provide structured eating plans. They also often promote misconceptions about carbohydrates, insulin resistance, ketosis, and fat burning as mechanisms of action for weight loss. Although these diets may not be harmful for most healthy people for a short period of time, there are no long-term scientific studies to support their overall efficacy and safety. These diets are generally associated with higher intakes of total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol because the protein is provided mainly by animal sources. In high-protein diets, weight loss is initially high due to fluid loss related to reduced carbohydrate intake, overall caloric restriction, and ketosis-induced appetite suppression. Beneficial effects on blood lipids and insulin resistance are due to the weight loss, not to the change in caloric composition. Promoters of high-protein diets promise successful results by encouraging high-protein food choices that are usually restricted in other diets, thus providing initial palatability, an attractive alternative to other weight-reduction diets that have not worked for a variety of reasons for most individuals. High-protein diets are not recommended because they restrict healthful foods that provide essential nutrients and do not provide the variety of foods needed to adequately meet nutritional needs. Individuals who follow these diets are therefore at risk for compromised vitamin and mineral intake, as well as potential cardiac, renal, bone, and liver abnormalities overall.

i'll try to answer some question but pls do your own research.

herbalife protein powder contains whey protein concentrate and soy protein isolate which basically means filtered protein which contains no fat, water and other minerals. means it is pure protein which has 100% retention on muscle.

muscle in this case would be prevented from wasting away when dieting.

it is not that herbalife has been the only source of info. i get these info from various bodybuilding website.

as for nutrient that protein diet lacks, herbalife do have a nutrient shake that you mix it with protein. yes u can check the label.

bare in mind the article above me is talking about Atkins diet where the protein is not whey and soy protein concentrated and isolate which contains no fat at all.

yes i am a herbalife member but i do my homework. i cant sell something i don't believe in so if u have new info do let me know

but do your homework too before u say anything because i'm don't have time to entertain super skeptic like u simply because there's lots of people out there who's not too paranoid.

You, better show us the link that shows such claims. I want to read the website from this bodybuilder whom wrote it. If it's from Atkins or Herbalife, then you better find stronger proof from more reputable people and websites and not from manufacturer's sites.

This post has been edited by udangstar: May 13 2006, 11:01 AM

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obi ... 026-3859250-9858020
Change your shape for life-with a new breakthrough personalised protein prescription

Dr. Heber maintains that everyone is born with a particular shape - and this shape makes a huge difference in how you should approach weight loss. He teaches the difference between the shape you can change and helps you find the personal protein prescription to best achieve your goals. You can jump start your plan with the Empowering Shake -the best way to make sure you meet your protein needs and control hunger-and then you'll build your own ideal diet.
David Herber, M.D.,Ph.D Director, UCLA Centre for Human Nutrition

TEN REASONS FOR THE BEST DIET RESULTS - GUARANTEED!
Here are the 10 reasons for our success:

The top selling book 'The LA Shape Diet' written by the Director of the UCLA Centre of Human Nutrition, Dr David Heber explains the science of diet success. The book is based on years of research & diet counselling at the centre. This is his definitive cutting edge diet programme (you can buy the book on Amazon).

For best results your 'DIET MUST BE PERSONALISED' to your individual body shape. Everyone's body shape is different. One size does not fit all. Your body shape is more important than your weight. We help you be the best shape you can be! This is our challenge -if you've been hungry on diets & put the weight back on - this is for you!

'PROTEIN' is the key. Most people don't eat enough protein. This means your blood sugar is low making you feel tired & grumpy. Protein controls hunger. We match the protein in your body with your diet. You don't feel hungry or tired. You feel great! A protein only diet delivers immediate weight loss BUT for long term success AS WELL - you MUST have 'good carbohydrates' to be fit & healthy. We help you get an immediate result AND safe long term weight off too! Measuring fat is not important. It is no help in designing the perfect diet for you. We calculate your 'lean body mass' to tell us how much protein your unique body shape needs. Upper body weight is most dangerous. Lower body weight is what makes a woman female & sexy. This is often hard to shift because women evolved to keep weight on for child rearing. We can now help you to be the best shape you can be! Typically women need around 100g protein a day Men 150g. Basically your body needs 1g protein per 1 pound of lean body mass (i.e. not fat).

'WHY OUR PROGRAMME IS UNIQUELY SUCCESSFUL'. You don't feel hungry on our diet because our unique Formula 1 & Protein Supplement Powder has the best possible blend of soy & whey protein to safely lose weight immediately AND over a prolonged period by controlling your hunger. You don't feel hungry for 2 -3 hours after taking this shake. To lose weight, replace two meals a day with our delicious & versatile shakes (we'll send you an 'e-Book' of exciting recipes). It combines the perfect balance of good carbohydrates, 'heart-healthy' fibre & protein.
The third meal can be of your choice - just learn to cut back a little.

Formula two has 14 vitamins, minerals and herbs uniquely designed to complement and balance with the shake. 'ALL THE NUTRITION THE BODY NEEDS' - unlike deprivation diets where the body tries to cope without the nutrition you have cut out - so it piles the weight back on when you stop.

Plus we have 'UNIQUE TARGETED PRODUCTS' including delicious protein bars & Theromojetic tea to hydrate, release energy, give stamina & focus.

'THE FACTS'. Our meal replacement diet has been scientifically proven, with many testimonials, to keep weight off. In long term STUDIES in Germany & USA - monitored over five years and more. The USA National Registry of Dieters who have kept weight off long term includes many of our product users.

'ALL HERBALIFE PRODUCTS ARE NATURALLY DERIVED' - we have Olympic athletes and top sportspeople training on our products.

In addition - because we are replacing meals & stopping your body craving unhealthy snacks - you don't feel hungry - so you can 'SAVE MONEY' too!

'NO RISK - WE HAVE A 30 DAY NO-QUIBBLE MONEY BACK GUARANTEE' of success

Yep. A form of yo-yo dieting. It's all the same, you see it everywhere from well known celebrities like Oprah Winfrey, Mariah Carey to your average Joe.
So, we take Herbalife, we lose weight, then we stop. We continue with our normal eating habits, we gain weight again, so.... we take Herbalife all over again. The cycle repeats.
Man... i NEVER get some of you people ( I ain't implying everyone). Why the hell look for a MAGIC PILL/FORMULA/SUPPLEMENT for losing weight when it's plain old fashioned exercise and a good diet. For Christ's sake, no one's asking people to eat cabbage and soup every day!
A few minor changes to your diet; eg. a reduction of 500 calories a day WILL result in a gradual weight loss.

The key is gradual loss in fat. Most people make stupid ass unrealistic goals like wanting to lose 20 kgs in a month, etc. That's plain ridiculous. Yeah, you will lose weight, but also a lot of muscle mass. I may be a bodybuilder, but i'm talking about the average person's lean muscle mass which is responsible for elevating the metabolism and burning fat even at rest. People going on crash diets resulting in a way too rapid weight loss will cause loss of fat AND muscle. So? Less muscle, down goes your metabolism and you're forced to reduce your calories even further to compensate for the lower metabolism. Who's gonna have that kind of fanatical discipline?

At the end of the day, it's calories in vs calories out which matters, of course where those calories come from can make a huge difference. Of course, if one goes on a liquid diet like Herbalife, you're bound to lose weight no matter what.

What? Some of you people think the key to losing weight comes from moonbeams and pixie spells? Sheesh... gimme a break. I'm not preaching scientific bullshit here, just plain logic. People can show links to whatever websites they want, they can produce whatever scientific studies they want. It is still exercise and smart minor applications to diet. My 0.02.

I'm on neutral ground, but i get to accept ideas better, easily, and rationally. I've aware of some of the healthcare product in the market for sometimes, so this is what i found out...... just my humble opinion.

Admittedly, these products are genuine. Those people behind the work are none other than biotechnologist, medical personnel, Ph.D. holder, specialist. That's why we are paying for their salary, and the technology.

They offer a better lifestyle, be in permanent or temporarily, it'll defenitely give desirable result as long as it is kept consumed. Beyond that, consumer need to initiate a change in previous eating habit. Be remind that all healthcare product do say *result may varies on individuals. For best or long lasting effect, it is recommended bla bla bla.... * well, encouraging a change into a healthier lifestyle.

Why people feel good about the product after they stop is becoz of the side effect. We get an improved digestive system, respitory system, cardio system, as we know these product are clean and natural, so it initiate and promote recovery and make us feel better. Other side effect include better sleep at night, better digestion and improve constipulation, blood pressure, sugar level, colestrol, etc.

But beware, rapid weight drop WILL cause loose skin, for inproper dietary. I guess these healthcare product now include some sort of nutrient to firm up the skin. Eventually, it's show, as we age, undeniable. The amount of skin cell we have is the same before and after the diet. Once we get old, it'll get loose cause of deteoriated skin cell.

So much about healthcare product, they only promote internal health. We still need to workout for strong muscle. Big or good-looking are SECONDARY. Ya, you can hv very health blood sugar, blood pressure, colestrol lvl, heck even bone density, good-looking body, appropriate muscle size (coz of the whey protein). But not strength in those muscle.
Consequences: backache, numb leg and hand for sitting or sleeping, sore hand and leg after shopping. Can barely stand up after a long squat...... healthcare product cant help on physical health. You can argue with me that your friend's mum 70-80 yrs old after eat this look better, lower blood sugar etc, and still can squat to wash clothes.. bla. Well, their mum may had been squating for decades washing clothes, that is an routine exercise. We cant compare those using washing machine, vacuum, walking only limited in air-conditioned room, with theses senior people. They are elite in what they are doing.

You would only feel it as you approach retiring age.

Every healthcare product is the same, they offer a better lifestyle. Still, they always encourage consumer to do more than just that. Exercise, my friend, routinely, if you really care about your health, NOT JUST LOOKING GOOD.

maybe i'll go spend an insane amount of money to join herbalife and then try it.

RM 300 a month = Herbalife

RM 300 a month = Good clean healthy food, maybe a membership at a reputable gym or fitness centre which result in a more permanent and healthier phase of weight loss, AND a sense of achievement that you lost weight through your own hard work.

Do the math.

This post has been edited by darklight79: May 14 2006, 11:49 PM

Aurora, agree with the Exercise...

Pizzaboy, u sure?

darklight79, yes, agree gym can lose weight too...nowadays..ppl are so lazy..herbalife product is just helping those lazy people to lose weight in an easy, convenient, safe and effective way..

only a retard will, puhleezee..

Seconded. I see that the pro-MLMer is still at it...

Another thing taking fluid or liquid diet does not address is the mechanics of digestion. Like the analogy made earlier by another supporter of these Herbalife milkshakes is the diet of astronauts or people in space. Sure they take nutrients in liquid form but this is not long term. Our stomach is made (by evolution) to work in a certain way. From carnivorous to omnivorous diet. Since the industrial revolution and mass manufacture of
foodstuffs (that we buy in supermarket etc) our health suffers generally from a too rich diet of processed foods rich in fat,salt,sugars and carbs while lacking in protein fibre and vitamins. If we just ate more healthy foods and more healthily prepared foods and exercised regularly we would be healthier. Taking diet pills or milkshakes or whathaveyou is a short term solution and will cause you long term consequences.

Also, this statement"'WHY OUR PROGRAMME IS UNIQUELY SUCCESSFUL'. You don't feel hungry on our diet because our unique Formula 1 & Protein Supplement Powder has the best possible blend of soy & whey protein to safely lose weight immediately AND over a prolonged period by controlling your hunger." ignores that thing i was saying about the mechanics of food processing in human alimentary track. Human stomachs need a bolus to push foods thru for digestion. Hunger triggers are also partly psychological (brain needs to see the food) and partly physical(body needs to feel the bulk of food) so it is unlikely a milkshake suffices to control HUNGER-unless they add an appetite suppresant,which is common in diet products which means the moment u get off the product, bam! u gain weight coz u will get more hungry.

As to the loose skin thing, sure,it makes sense, you starve fat cells in the body, u will reduce the size of fat cells (not the number) and this will cause some flabbiness. In some the flabiness is more apparent than others-maybe some people have less elastic skin or the weightloss was too rapid or the person didnt work out and tone his musclemass in the same region. Like people keep reminding, there is no such thing as spot reducing. probably this flabby thin is more apparent in women who lose weight rapidly due to women's relative propensity to have more fat than men and men's natural ability to build muscle mass. If anyone shows lack of flabbiness after dieting or using diet products it is more likely a result of their natural dermal elasticity-tensility(i.e. naturally taut skin) rather than any products ability to give u non-flabby weightloss.

Yep! Which is exactly why they keep advocating a long term use of their products. (Keep the money coming in baby!!)
Taking an extreme liquid diet is a form of yo-yo dieting. Humans weren't just meant to piss their shit out.

You see ah....I do the math for you, weightlifters.

According to mister Darklite, we need 1GM of protein per pound of bodyweight. So for me I'll take about 150GMS of protein a day.

Milk (1 pack) = 50 GMS protein (RM4.50)
Tuna (2 cans) = 48GMS (RM5+)
Oats (12 scoops a day) = a whole lot of protein
and normal chicken and everyday nasi campur = a lot of protein

i think take this and proper workouts, will take less than RM300 and you get a better looking shape.

Lieke what they say, "If you ain't got the packs and the cut, you ain't got nuts"

Badan slim, lembik no point

So true pizzaboy.

One half side of chicken breast already more than 150gms of proteinlah roughly, issin it? Summore want to tambah protein for what i dunno?
Supposedly we should only eat one piece of lean chicken the size of our hand per day. I think we already overeat way waaay a lot of protein. And tambah that with the yummy carbs and sugars and etc...

Another thing about the tambah tambah protein diets is that studies have always shown that it affects your kidneys and liver. Why want to susah payahkan your poor organs like that? Like we don't have enough toxins already issit?Ppl are so weird kan?

Bump to this. Btw, it's 2 grams of protein per lb bodyweight for me.

Still cheaper than Herbalife though.

Yup. U are absolutely right.

Which is why most MLMs are those selling "health products"...